"Janet" wrote in message
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On 2010-10-22 12:41:09 +0100, hugh ] said:

In message , Christina Websell
writes

"hugh" ] wrote in message
I know lots of people who have judged at Crufts and who breed dogs and
I
wouldn't give you tuppence for the ethics of many of them
--

Name these *lots of people* that you you personally know who have
judged at
Crufts (without looking on the internet)
It's likely I might know them and might ask if they know "you" !
Lets just say you've never met a Crufts judge, and know what their
ethics
are, shall we?
Tina


What utter rubbish. You have absolutely no knowledge on which to base
your childish statement.

Dog showing is riddled with petty politics and petty ambitions which
frequently come before the long term welfare of the dogs. I was in
showing for about 10years, had a well known (in the breed) champion
dog, showing at many Champ Shows and Crufts.

People in the breed who know me will already know my views. My friends
in the breed share them. I couldn't give a toss whether you know them
or not.

Silly bitch

Those last two words have totally discredited every word that goes
before them. I don't believe you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedigree_Dogs_Exposed

Pedigree Dogs Exposed was a BBC One investigative documentary, produced
by Jemima Harrison, which looked into health and welfare issues facing
pedigree dogs in the United Kingdom.

The Kennel Club (KC), the governing body of pedigree dogs in the UK that
runs the prestigious dog conformation show Crufts, was criticized for
allowing breed standards, judging standards and breeding practices to
compromise the health of pedigree dogs.[1]

The programme generated much criticism of the Kennel Club. It also
caused various sponsors and trade exhibitors to withdraw their
participation from Crufts and other Kennel Club events. The BBC?which
has broadcast Crufts for 42 years?withdrew its coverage of Crufts for
2009, and chose not to renew it for 2010. ....

Three separate health reports were commissioned as a result of the
programme. Reports by the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to
Animals, Associate Parliamentary Group for Animal Welfare and Sir
Patrick Bateson(funded by the KC and Dogs Trust) concluded that current
breeding practices are detrimental to the welfare of pedigree dogs and
made various recommendations that can be taken by the Kennel Club and
breeders to improve pedigree dog health."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7616591.stm
RSPCA withdraws from Crufts show
The RSPCA says it is to withdraw from Crufts dog show amid concerns
about the health of pedigree animals.

It is to scrap its regular welfare stand at the contest next March.
The charity says "morally unjustifiable" breeding practices lead to
disability, deformity and disease among show dogs.RSPCA chief veterinary
adviser Mark Evans has called for a shift in emphasis away from the
looks of dogs and towards their health, welfare and temperament.
He said judging criteria used by shows such as Crufts encouraged
inbreeding and the rearing of deformed dogs, as demonstrated by BBC
documentary Pedigree Dogs Exposed.
"There is compelling scientific evidence that the health and welfare of
hundreds of thousands of pedigree dogs is seriously compromised as a
result," said Mr Evans. "

Janet

Thanks for this very informative post.

I've often wondered if there is a difference in the incidences of say - hip
dysplasia - in working Labradors and show Labradors.My two labs were quite
different. My working lab was tall and very athletic compared with my show
Labrador who is less agile and considerably "squatter". Lab breeders like to
see a dog with a "square" outline.

Bill