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Billy wrote:

In article ,
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:

Gunner wrote:
On Feb 15, 5:35 pm, "David Hare-Scott" wrote:
Gunny wrote:
DavidofWales

being aware that you can also poison yourself by ingesting the tea.

it is dangerous 'common sense' might be to handle it
without much thought like you handle other tobacco products.


Ahh... I understand now. Know it was the stupid rabbit David, not
you. I don't have you in the group that needs a hot coffee warning
label so as to know it might burn if you spill it on you.

Your comparison is way off target. We all have experience of hot drinks so
it is obvious from childhood that they can burn you. There is nothing
obvious about tobacco that says it is immediately dangerous. Common
experience is the reverse, that you can safely handle tobacco, my
grandfather did not put on gloves to roll a cigarette. Unless you had
experience of handling the tea and inadvertently given yourself a buzz how
would you know it was quite toxic and could be absorbed through the skin
unless someone told you?


think the man needed more than the warning you gave and he damn sure
didn't need the theatrics from some others. You gave the man an
honest effort as to an answer and qualified your concerns and your
perspective. I do understand your concern about toxicity but do fact
checking heat killing nicotine in cigarettes ok? not quite right.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine

or are you quibbling because I said 'destroyed by heat' rather than
'burned'?

This point is also relevant to perceptions of harm. Smokers smoke
cigarettes all the time without apparently poisoning themselves with
nicotine, this contributes to the perception that tobacco is relatively
harmless in the short term. When you make tea with it the majority of
nicotine is not destroyed as in the burning of the cigarette.

D

40*60*mg (0.5-1.0*mg/kg) of nicotine can be a lethal dosage for adult
humans.

The amount of nicotine that smokers inhale from each cigarette is 1.5
milligrams per cigarette.

The amount of nicotine in a single cigarette is 8 to 9 milligrams on
average.

Nicotine affects almost every system in the body. When you take a puff,
your heart beats faster, your pulse quickens, your veins constrict, your
blood pressure increases. Your adrenal glands pump out adrenaline that
increases your heart rate, relaxes many of your smooth muscles, and
raises your metabolic rate.* Even the electrical activity in your brain
changes.

Totally avoidable.

Actually, it is a cautionary tale about trusting corporate media, even
if it isn't the most egregious Fox News. The same media that justified
our excuse for going to war, always has an agenda. Our news papers don't
give us the facts, they set the scene for us. They tell us that Chavez
is a dictator, Morales a drug addict, spending half the world's military
budget isn't excessive, and, now, that unions are the reason for our
economic collapse. Apparently it had nothing to do with Paulson and
Gleitner shoveling trillions of dollars to their friends on Wall Street,
when the whole debacle could have been controlled by adjusting the home
mortgages, which had been turned into toxic derivatives.

We really can't trust the mass media because 90% of it is owned by 5
corporations.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo

Al-Jazeera (http://english.aljazeera.net/ ), which has aroused great
interest by being banned in Egypt due to its excellent coverage of the
uprising, is not itself carried by any American cable or satellite
company, but LINK TV (http://www.linktv.org/ ) has included regular
programming from Al-Jazeera and other foreign networks, and has recently
greatly increased the amount of news coverage it shows from Al-Jazeera.

Progressive news show Democracy Now! (http://www.democracynow.org/ )
remains the world's best news show, and of course includes great
coverage of the Egyptian uprising, including extra specials on the
subject. Democracy Now! is carried by LINK TV (http://www.linktv.org/ ),
Free Speech TV (http://www.freespeech.org/ ), and Pacifica Radio
(http://www.pacifica.org/ ), all of them worth checking out anyway.

Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com/ ) has been providing its usual
essential coverage of these happenings as well as other important
issues, as well as opinion pieces from across the spectrum. Common
Dreams (http://www.commondreams.org/ ), The Raw Story
(http://www.rawstory.com/ ), and AlterNet News (http://www.alternet.org/
) provide info and commentary from a progressive viewpoint, as does
Information Clearing House (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ ).
Progressive Indian site Towards a Counter Movement
(http://www.countercurrents.org/index.htm) has also given the uprising a
good deal of coverage.

From a right-libertarian viewpoint, Strike The Root
(http://www.strike-the-root.com/ ) and Rational Review
(http://rationalreview.news-digests.com/todays-edition ) are worth
checking out.

For left-libertarian/anarchist news and viewpoints, see Infoshop News
(http://news.infoshop.org/ ), Anarkismo
(http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php ), Anarchist News
(http://anarchistnews.org/ ), A-Infos (http://www.ainfos.ca/en/ ), and
the Center for a Stateless Society (http://c4ss.org/ ).

Middle east scholar Juan Cole's blog Informed Comment
(http://www.juancole.com/ ) provides excellent info and commentary on
this and other mideast issues.
--
- Billy
³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.²
-Archbishop Helder Camara

http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html