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Old 08-04-2011, 05:38 PM posted to rec.gardens.edible
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Billy wrote:

If you don't like my political propaganda, then you must be one of Gov.
Walker's stooges, just another capitalist shill, undermining American
values by trying to distract from the corporate coup d'Etat taking place
in America now. I'd heard that a lot of you were hired recently.


Intelligent people come to different political stances. Sincere people
understand this and respect the political differences of others. Your
post said more about your sincerity than you probably wanted it to.

There's all sorts of political discussion in American. There always has
been. Across time the amount of partisan vitriol was gone up and down.
That part is nothing new.

Here's what I think gets too little discussion -

The US form of government in specific and the republic model in general
was evolved in a time when corporations did not exist and when
corporations were new. The republic model does not take into account
that corporations are immortal in addition to governments. Either
corporations or governments can die, but they can also live for
extremely long times. History has shown that as governments age their
size has grown and their oppression has grown. History is replete with
revolutions because of this. So far revolutions have not yet been
explicitly about corporations growing in that manner. I think recent
revolutions have been implicitly about that.

Anti-trust laws were an early attempt to deal with this trend. They did
not span governments. We need some other method of dealing with this
trend. The republic form of government slows the growth of governments
but does not solve the problem. Anti-trust laws slowed the growth of
corporations but did not solve the problem. Constitutional forms
further slowed the growth but did not solve the problem.

I don't have an innovate solution to both of these overlapping trends
but I do know that the current debate about capitalism versus socialism
is not going to help. That's just another pendulum swinging back and
forth across history, and I don't think that trend is as new as those
words. Looking back across history the trend exists as far back as
history exists.

But corporations as immortal legal entities go back a much shorter time.
The Hudson Bay Trading Company was the first one according to what I was
taught in school. Companies existed before then but the form was
different.