On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 13:36:36 -0400, Don Wiss
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:18:07 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:

In NYC unless you first enclose that space with a heavy gauge wrought
iron fence you're wasting your time.

Iron hoops were installed on three sides by the neighbor I share the pit
with. There are none on the street side, allowing doors to open.

If car doors open onto that area so people can disembark and step
there then just how long do you think anything you plant there will
last? Perhaps you need to consider planting pavers.