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Nad R wrote:

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Nad R" wrote in message

That is one building so TMWOT it's a bit of a stretch to call it a
'community'. It's hardly community minded to whine or have rules about a
person having one tomato plant on their deck.

Do not bet on that one... It depends on the association. Some condominiums
have very strict rules. Such places are nice for the elderly and those with
a busy city lifestyle.
Bad laws make bad citizens. How does growing a tomato reduce the quality
of life for the elderly, or those with a "busy city life style"
(whatever that is)?

In the country where I live there are no such ordinances. I do not even
have to mow my lawn and I can have old rusted out cars on my front lawn
and
no one would say or do anything about it.
So, freedom only belongs to the landed (wealthy)? This may square with
the reality of American history, but certainly not its ideals.

Shelly has often flaunted the surface area he controls, in the vain
attempt to bask in the envy that it might elicit, but at the end of the
day, he is still just Shelly.

Well that soudns much better than living some place where anal retentives
waffle on about 'nice lawns'.

The US has different kinds of communities and I believe those that are like
minded should have them. There are communities in which cars are not
allowed, like Mackinaw Island in Michigan. There are communities where
people have airplanes and small jets with small hangers instead of garages
next to there homes with a shared runway. Boating communities. Communities
with golf courses.

The above refer to zoning laws.

Communities where there are elderly only no kids... Each
community with their own flavor, some with grass lawns only. Choose your
home, choose your lifestyle.

Some have accused homeowners associations of selective enforcement of
these rules, making a case only when it is something (or someone)
another person dislikes. Breaking a rule, even unintentionally, can
bring fines or even a lien on the home. In extreme cases, a homeowners'
association may file a lawsuit against an owner who violates the
covenants or even foreclose the property.

Restrictive covenants have evolved with some being found to be illegal,
i.e. Shelley v. Kraemer. Restrictive covenants that bar the growing of
food, that don't involve health risks, make no sense (or worse) in
today's world, where a handful of corporations control what we eat.

I choose the country where there are few
restrictions.

With more money comes more choices with fewer restrictions (and more
freedom), a plutocracy, if you will, which is indicative of our "Zeit
Geist".

When I was a kid. I use to ride my bicycle through Oak Park Michigan to get
the Americana Theater. Nice city forty years ago. Today If you ride your
bike there... Pedal Fast if you want to keep your bike.

Where does this come from, and how does it fit into the discussion?
Crime changes with time. When there was a large middle class, middle
class ethics motivated people. As the middle class disappears, we are
left with the ethics of the upper and lower classes who know you only
get what you can take.
--
- Billy
America is not broke. The country is awash in wealth and cash.
It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the
greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks
and the portfolios of the uber-rich.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/.../michael-moore
/michael-moore-says-400-americans-have-more-wealth-/

You put Lloyd Blankfein in pound-me-in-the-ass prison for one six-month term, and all this bullshit would stop, all over Wall Street. That's all it would take. Just once.