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songbird wrote:
Billy wrote:
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All that and not a single citation, hmmmm.
since when in a conversation do you need
citations?
arguments can be made quite soundly from
reason and experience aside from quoting
some dusty economics books or digging
around on-line. if i'm not on-line i'm
not citing anything. this is OT in a
gardening edibles group and only tangentially
related to sustainable agriculture so ...
i guess i can't quite approach it as a
scholarly research paper...
if my reasoning is unsound then pick it
apart. David seems to be hacking at that
angle tho, so perhaps you can be safe on
the other approaches. 
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I'm reminded of the choir leader who happened to glimpse the pastors
sermon notes for the day. What caught his eye was, "argument weak here,
pound pulpit".
argument, we don't need no stinkin
argument.
McArthur , and I will be back shortly.
"You're fired!" Donald Trump.
is that quote enough?
ok, just kidding, you are not fired.
have a good night.
songbird
We don't need to show supporting authority? Great! I claim vindication,
and suggest that we move on to more important things, like why is the
Earth flat, and resting on the back of a turtle?
Did a little landscaping today, as well as planting some sunflowers and
cucumbers. I also had to replace a Stupice tomato that got ran over by
something. Three of 26 peppers also need to be replaced. It's supposed
to rain tomorrow, but be back in the 80s by the weekend.
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Capitalism
The socio-economic system where social relations are based on
commodities for exchange, in particular private ownership of the means
of production and on the exploitation of wage labour.
Capital is in the first place an accumulation of money and cannot make
its appearance in history until the circulation of commodities has given
rise to the money relation. As we like to say, "it takes money to make
money".
Secondly, the distinction between money which is capital, and money
which is money only, arises from the difference in their form of
circulation. Money which is acquired in order to buy something is just
money, facilitating the exchange of commodities. [Commodity - Money -
Commodity.] On the other hand, capital is money which is used to buy
something only in order to sell it again. [M - C - M.] This means that
capital exists only within the process of buying and selling, as money
advanced only in order to get it back again.
Thirdly, money is only capital if it buys a good whose consumption
brings about an increase in the value of the commodity, realised in
selling it for a Profit [or M - C - M'].
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If Capitalism follows the above pattern, it will soon be dead, if it
isn't already.
http://www.greens.org/s-r/47/47-03.html
From an ecological point of view there is something crazy about
capitalism. An ecological worldview emphasizes harmony, sustainability,
moderation - rather like that of the ancient Greeks,
ROFL! holy crap, that is so blazingly funny and
not at all close to what history shows. the Greeks
destroyed their topsoil and killed/plundered about as
much as any civilization before them.
And we have done better? The game is lost when the plow hits the soil.
However, the Greeks did realize that letting a field go fallow for a
year was a good practice. So, yes, the Greeks lost their topsoil, but it
was in a more enlightened system than used by others.
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Prominent interpretation, as well as criticism, of Smith's views on the
societal merits of unregulated labor management by the ruling class is
expressed by Noam Chomsky as follows: "He's pre-capitalist, a figure of
the Enlightenment. What we would call capitalism he despised. People
read snippets of Adam Smith, the few phrases they teach in school.
Everybody reads the first paragraph of The Wealth of Nations where he
talks about how wonderful the division of labor is. But not many people
get to the point hundreds of pages later, where he says that division of
labor will destroy human beings and turn people into creatures as stupid
and ignorant as it is possible for a human being to be. And therefore in
any civilized society the government is going to have to take some
measures to prevent division of labor from proceeding to its limits."
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Time is up for me. I'll return as soon as possible. Don't be a stranger
;O)
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Remember Rachel Corrie
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/
Welcome to the New America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg