Rick wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013 09:23:56 +1000, "David Hare-Scott"
wrote:


The people you are attempting to communicate with are a religious
cult that is anti-GMO. Don't bother to try to educate them. They
will spew pseudo-science back at you to refute real science.
Interesting cult. Faith based science!

You don't have any examples of this behaviour do you? So far the
responses I have seen are referring to scientific studies not
religious texts. You might want to reply with some facts instead of
a broad generalisation with no obvious evidence. So far you are
exhibiting the very thing you criticise.

David


Sure.

It is just too frustrating to talk to peolple with only the vaguest
idea of what DNA is, much less genetic and epigenetic regualtion of
gene expression, when the bandy about psuedo statements like the one
above and think they understand what it might mean. There are, of
course, legitimate concerns about gentically manipulating food crops,
whether done by an engineer, or a sselectibe breeder. Just taste a
store bought tomoato... Still, without a great deal more knowledge,
some one like Billy (or you) can't possibly enter the debate. So that
makes you boooooooring.

I don't see those examples of my religious behaviour yet. I don't see any
facts to contradict the article under discussion. You have no idea of the
level of my understanding of genetics so you make up an insult or two. You
really need to do better than introducing a diversion with some ad hominem
attacks, even simple gardeners can see through that.

Here is part of what I was referring to.

quote
Advanced Studies Confirm New Allergen and Dangers in GMOs

In 2007, independent scientists finally published a holistic protein
analysis of one GM crop, Monsanto's Mon 810 Bt corn, which had been fed to
consumers for the previous 10 years.

Sure enough, due to,
"the insertion of a single gene into a [corn] genome," 43 proteins were
significantly increased or decreased.

"Moreover, transgenic plants reacted differentially to the same
environmental conditions... supporting the hypothesis that they had a
strongly rearranged genome after particle bombardment" by a gene gun.
The authors acknowledged that gene gun insertion can cause,
"deletion and extensive scrambling of inserted and chromosomal DNA."
One of the changed proteins in the GM corn was gamma zein,
"a well-known allergenic protein."
That allergen was not found in the natural corn, however. The gene that
produces gamma zein is normally shut off in corn. But somehow it was
switched on in Monsanto's variety.

unquote

Please explain where this is wrong or where I misrepresented it. Since you
are claiming expertise do explain why you introduced epigenetic inheritance
and why my assumed ignorance of the concept would be relevant. If it is so
important educate us poor igerant masses.

D