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Rick wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:47:16 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:
Rick wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013 09:23:56 +1000, "David Hare-Scott"
wrote:
The people you are attempting to communicate with are a religious
cult that is anti-GMO. Don't bother to try to educate them. They
will spew pseudo-science back at you to refute real science.
Interesting cult. Faith based science!
You don't have any examples of this behaviour do you? So far the
responses I have seen are referring to scientific studies not
religious texts. You might want to reply with some facts instead of
a broad generalisation with no obvious evidence. So far you are
exhibiting the very thing you criticise.
David
Sure.
scatter-gun effect of genetic manipulation may turn on genes not
normally...
It is just too frustrating to talk to peolple with only the vaguest
idea of what DNA is, much less genetic and epigenetic regualtion of
gene expression, when the bandy about psuedo statements like the one
above and think they understand what it might mean. There are, of
course, legitimate concerns about gentically manipulating food crops,
whether done by an engineer, or a sselectibe breeder. Just taste a
store bought tomoato... Still, without a great deal more knowledge,
some one like Billy (or you) can't possibly enter the debate. So that
makes you boooooooring.
You of course, love to eat food that has been sprayed with roundup.
Personally,
I am not.
There is plenty of evidence that GMO foods have been insuficiently tested
for
safety. I want very strongly to be able to know what I am eating, and
current US
law does not make that possible. So take you condescending dribble and shove
it
back where the sun don't shine.
No- Like many typical aged Usenet numbskulls you manage to equate GMO
with the practices of a company named Monsanto. You sir are a
woefully ignorant, apparently deliberately uneducated waste of skin.
You probably believe in JEEBUS. Good luck with that.
If you eat anything that is processed in any way (including food in
most restaurants), you are consuming GMO. Why do you need a lable to
tell you that? I certainly don't much care about labels, but find
them pretty useless. What does the label "organic" tell you? Do you
"believe" such food is safer or more nutritious than GMO? Why? You
have no basis to compare, and not enough intellectual curiosity to
investigate with an open mind. Boooooooring.
That is just a childish reaction. You don't even address the subject,
but attack the messenger instead.
http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Publ...octorsWarn/ind
ex.cfm
Doctors Warn: Avoid Genetically Modified Food
On May 19th, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM)
called on "Physicians to educate their patients, the medical community,
and the public to avoid GM (genetically modified) foods when possible
and provide educational materials concerning GM foods and health
risks."[1] They called for a moratorium on GM foods, long-term
independent studies, and labeling. AAEM's position paper stated,
"Several animal studies indicate serious health risks associated with GM
food," including infertility, immune problems, accelerated aging,
insulin regulation, and changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal
system.
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http://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706
J Biol Sci 2009; 5:706-726 (C)Ivyspring International Publisher
Research Paper
A Comparison of the Effects of Three GM Corn Varieties on Mammalian
Health
We present for the first time a comparative analysis of blood and organ
system data from trials with rats fed three main commercialized
genetically modified (GM) maize (NK 603, MON 810, MON 863), which are
present in food and feed in the world.
Our analysis clearly reveals for the 3 GMOs new side effects linked with
GM maize consumption, which were sex- and often dose-dependent. Effects
were mostly associated with the kidney and liver, the dietary
detoxifying organs, although different between the 3 GMOs. Other effects
were also noticed in the heart, adrenal glands, spleen and
haematopoietic system. We conclude that these data highlight signs of
hepatorenal toxicity, possibly due to the new pesticides specific to
each GM corn. In addition, unintended direct or indirect metabolic
consequences of the genetic modification cannot be excluded.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...toxins-blood-9
3-unborn-babies.html#
GM food toxins found in the blood of 93% of unborn babies
A landmark study found 93 per cent of blood samples taken from pregnant
women and 80 per cent from umbilical cords tested positive for traces of
the chemicals.
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http://www.gmwatch.org/component/con...m/12344-high-y
ield
Do we need GM? High yield
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You should become familiar with the Pustai Affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pusztai_affair
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http://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_agric...d-system/genet
ic-engineering/
Health and Environmental Risks
While the risks of genetic engineering have sometimes been exaggerated
or misrepresented, GE crops do have the potential to cause a variety of
health problems and environmental impacts. For instance, they may
produce new allergens and toxins, spread harmful traits to weeds and
non-GE crops, or harm animals that consume them.
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Lastly, In case you didn't see it
ALLERGIC REACTIONS
Do you know what foods you react to? One out of four people in the U.S.
reports having some type of food allergy.21 Genetically engineered
ingredients make matters worse in two ways.
First, shuffling genes among species causes an allergen, for example a
nut allergen, to end up in food we've always thought is safe. Take what
happened in 1996 when university researchers decided to check out a new
genetically engineered soybean created by the Pioneer Hi-Bred
International. The soybeans were engineered to contain a single gene
from a Brazil nut. Since it's well known in the medical community that
nuts can cause allergic reactions in people, the scientist decided to
find out whether or not this single gene in the soybeans could cause a
response in folks who were allergic to Brazil nuts. Incredibly, allergic
reactions did occur from this one gene, as reported that year in the New
England Journal of Medicine.22 For people who are fatally allergic to
Brazil nuts, eating this genetically engineered soy could be lethal.
It's important to remember that this allergy test was done independently
and at the discretion of these scientists; it was not required by any
regulatory agency of the U.S.
The second danger is that genetically engineering foods can provoke an
entirely new set of allergies. Here's how it works: The genetic packages
transferred into the cell encode a number of novel proteins unfamiliar
to the host plant. The resulting combination of a foreign gene and the
genetic material of the plant can set off an allergic reaction. For
example, in November 2005, Australian researchers found that peas,
genetically engineered with a bean gene, triggered allergic reactions in
research animals.23 This was a surprise because the new gene in the peas
was for a protein found in beans that does not cause any allergic
reactions at all. How could these identical genes, one causing no
allergies and the other causing allergies when engineered into a pea,
have such a different impact? The same gene can produce slight
variations of proteins in different plants--even in closely related
plants. In the pea, the protein encoded by the gene was modified in a
slightly different way than in the bean, and the new form of this
protein was allergenic. So even when working with identical genes, the
very process of genetic engineering can turn a non-allergenic gene into
an allergenic one--a frightening prospect. Yet, this new finding should
not come as a surprise. More than a decade ago, PDA scientists warned
repeatedly that genetic engineering could "produce a new protein
allergen," and they've demanded long-term testing for this hazard.
Meanwhile, leaders at the FDA continue to ignore science and refuse to
require solid testing of genetically engineered foods, exposing the
public to these new and hidden allergens.
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Please be better prepared, if you decide to enlighten us again.
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Remember Rachel Corrie
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/
Welcome to the New America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg