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Old 19-02-2014, 07:51 AM posted to rec.gardens.edible
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Default Harvestable rights (was winters arrival)

songbird wrote:
David Hare-Scott wrote:
songbird wrote:
David Hare-Scott wrote:

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would you be fined if you ripped your land deeply
to capture more rainfall and soak it in instead
of letting it run off?


Yes. The limit is on the size of your dam. Also see below.


ah...


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- The figure was arrived at to allow sufficient flow in the rivers
for environmental, agricultural and domestic purposes downstream,
many rivers cease flowing none the less in dry times. If the
figure was more it would be favouring those where the rain falls
at the expense of those users downstream. And yes higher figures
have been suggested by those who would benefit at the expense of
others.

yes, and true if the water is going to dams and
irrigation, but if alternative approaches are
used it can recharge aquifers even in an arid
climate.

likely nobody actually get audited until someone
complains or has a grudge or the entire watershed
has issues and they do a survey... or is your
area and administration somehow highly enlightened?


Some of both. Where catchments are regulated with meters the water
authority checks and where it is also highly competitive and water
licenses are bought and sold everybody knows what the others are
doing. In my case it isn't so closely monitored.


you're close to the top of the water catchment?


You must also take into account that the system must respond to el
nino - la nina cycles as well as any seasonal pattern. This is not
a reliable annual rainfall nor a reliable seasonal pattern such as
annual snow-melt. It's a hard land.

you have no reliable rainy season at all?


No. My area is failrly high rainfall about 1100 mm PA but can come
at any time of year. Nothing for three months and then 200mm in a
week is not uncommon. This is from normal variability. If we have
el nino we can get as little as 300m or in la nina 1800mm in a year.


that seems to really cry out for swales and
catches...


No the fainfall is too high, in a wet spell with clay soil it would remain
waterlogged for too long. As it is I have to plant all my fruit trees on
mounds and build up the vege garden so water doesn't sit in it. The heart
of the problem is that you must have a compromise between the design that
suits very wet and very dry conditions because you will get both at
different times.

The same applies to house design. You have to deal with a temperature range
from -7C to 44C and very low to very high humidity which is not the same as
a cool temperate area where you get (say) -20C to 25C where you want to get
the sun into the house all year round or tropical where you want to keep it
out all year round. As I said its a hard land.



i thought you managed to grow a decent pasture on
a part of your property? you don't get that in
unreliable arid climates without sequestering a
significant amount of rainfall...


It is done in two ways, by having clay subsoil that acts as a big
sponge and ensuring the topsoil has high infiltration so that it
collects all but heavy falls. The first is from choosing the right
block the second from good management. I can have grass growing
for up to two months after the last rain.


right, and that second bit is kinda my point,
that you do manage your property well so that it
does capture the water that lands on it. i would be
surprised if you are losing 90% of it to run off.
i.e. those pastures are recharging the ground water
at some level and are contributing to a longer term
flow for the water shed. probably also suffer very
little erosion too.


Perhaps I didn't explain clearly in an earlier post. You are allowed to
impound ~10% in practice this limits your dam size according to a formula
based on your land area and rainfall. It doesn't mean the other 90%
necessarily runs off.

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