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Getting rid of ants
With all this talk of removing the ants to get rid of the aphids - Does
anyone have some good ways to get rid of them (the ants, that is)? Jen |
Getting rid of ants
g'day jen,
did you check our web site on the remedies page? if they are in poits then drown them out. On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:59:20 GMT, "Jen" wrote: With all this talk of removing the ants to get rid of the aphids - Does anyone have some good ways to get rid of them (the ants, that is)? Jen With peace and brightest of blessings, len -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.gardenlen.com |
Getting rid of ants
from what ive read - mix some borax powder with some powdered sugar, they
take it into their nests and eat it and get food poisoning. interestingly borax is used in some French caviars, but despite its use as a pesticide its LD50 is similar to that of table salt. I still wouldnt wanna eat it though in regards to ant control with aphids im hoping a circle of borax-sugar around each rose bush will take care of the resident ants and allow more predators to get stuck into the aphids its probably safer to use borax-sugar than something like Ant Dust, but then Ant Dust is probably more ant specific so wont kill as many other insects, so im not sure what the best option is |
Getting rid of ants
"Dave -Turner" wrote in message ... from what ive read - mix some borax powder with some powdered sugar, they take it into their nests and eat it and get food poisoning. interestingly borax is used in some French caviars, but despite its use as a pesticide its LD50 is similar to that of table salt. I still wouldnt wanna eat it though Dogs and cats will probably eat it though, wouldn't they? I've just checked my roses, and I was really shocked to see no aphids yet - I guess it's still a bit cold for them. I did see some ants wondering around the wall behind them though, I think they nest in the mortar. I'll work on getting rid of the ants straight away, and see how I go with the aphids. Thanks Jen |
Getting rid of ants
There might be Ant Dust or something similar that has a repellent in it like
Bitrex so that might be the way to go if pets can get near by the way if you do end up with aphids, before you hose the plant down check underneath each leaf near where the aphids are and you might be lucky enough to find a cluster of 10-50 ladybug eggs - they should hatch within a week |
Getting rid of ants
"Jen" wrote in message ... With all this talk of removing the ants to get rid of the aphids - Does anyone have some good ways to get rid of them (the ants, that is)? Jen I use cabbage dust around the ant holes. Works wonders under the hills hoist. Inside I use honey & borax powder. We used to be over run in the kitchen when we first moved in, took about 3 years to convince them the kitchen was MY domain not their's. Jim |
Getting rid of ants - Pot Plants
Anyone have a safe suggestion to get rid of a large nest in my 800mm
cermamic pot containing dwarf lime tree. I dont want to kill the tree or transfer chemicals to the tree??? |
Getting rid of ants - Pot Plants
Rayband wrote:
Anyone have a safe suggestion to get rid of a large nest in my 800mm cermamic pot containing dwarf lime tree. I dont want to kill the tree or transfer chemicals to the tree??? do you have a 1 metre tub[1] that you could transfer the pot to? them fill with water, leave 24 hours and drain. [1] Perhaps a large plastic bag will do the trick. All you really need to do is drive out all the air for 24 hours. |
Getting rid of ants - Pot Plants
g'day rayband,
yep drowining them out is usuall the way to go, but with a heavy pot that can be difficult so maybe set some baits on the pot and around it, this does take time to work though. another you could do and what is needed to keep the ants out of the pots in the first place is! have the pot standing on some pot legs or bits of broken tile in a deepish rather than shallow tray and keep the tray full of water this prevents the ants from getting to ground, but be sure that no part of the plant touches anything else plant or wall whatever or the ants will form a bridge. then keep the pot satured with a lot of watering for a few days. the best remedy is prevention keep them out of your pots then they won't do any harm to the potted plant in the different ways they can. even if they just nest in the medium they tend to make it water resistant. On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:35:26 +1000, "Rayband" wrote: Anyone have a safe suggestion to get rid of a large nest in my 800mm cermamic pot containing dwarf lime tree. I dont want to kill the tree or transfer chemicals to the tree??? With peace and brightest of blessings, len -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.gardenlen.com |
Getting rid of ants
"Dave -Turner" writes:
from what ive read - mix some borax powder with some powdered sugar, they take it into their nests and eat it and get food poisoning. interestingly borax is used in some French caviars, but despite its use as a pesticide its LD50 is similar to that of table salt. I still wouldnt wanna eat it though My Mum has an early well-worn recipe book, the collected wisdom of late 19th through to mid-20th century Australian women. Along with recipes for jugged hare, making your own vinegar from plums, and making bread using wild yeasts harvested from the air and cultured on mashed potato, was a method for keeping milk for up to 3 days without refrigeration. It involved disolving borax (at quantities something like a tablespoonful per pint, from memory) in the milk. Evidently, it must work without poisoning the consumer, though I've never tried it. -- John Savage (my news address is not valid for email) |
Getting rid of ants
John Savage wrote:
"Dave -Turner" writes: from what ive read - mix some borax powder with some powdered sugar, they take it into their nests and eat it and get food poisoning. interestingly borax is used in some French caviars, but despite its use as a pesticide its LD50 is similar to that of table salt. I still wouldnt wanna eat it though My Mum has an early well-worn recipe book, the collected wisdom of late 19th through to mid-20th century Australian women. Along with recipes for jugged hare, making your own vinegar from plums, and making bread using wild yeasts harvested from the air and cultured on mashed potato, was a method for keeping milk for up to 3 days without refrigeration. It involved disolving borax (at quantities something like a tablespoonful per pint, from memory) in the milk. Evidently, it must work without poisoning the consumer, though I've never tried it. Boron's a mineral, isn't it? I'm planning to get a crapload of borax and sugar, as the ant thing is huge on my place, and every struggling tree I see has a parade of ants on it. I'm a-gonna git them! Am a bit concerned about animals though, especially the dogs. Do they eat it? Do they get poisoned? -- ant Don't try to email me; I'm borrowing the spammer du jour's addy |
Getting rid of ants
g'day ant,
don't think it will kill a mammal as such and probably not tenough to make them sick? with the ants they take it back to the nest and feed the queen and the young and it is them ants that die, and when that happens i guess the domino effect takes place and that is the end of the nest. you could mix the borax in honey as well, or make the sugar miz tacky solluable, and also to keep the weather out and maybe pets away use a 1/2 gal icecream container over the bait tray. you only need use jam jar lids or even bottle lids. On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:29:41 +1000, "ant" wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.gardenlen.com |
Getting rid of ants
"ant" wrote in message
Boron's a mineral, isn't it? Yes but needed in small quantities. I'm planning to get a crapload of borax and sugar, as the ant thing is huge on my place, and every struggling tree I see has a parade of ants on it. I'm a-gonna git them! Am a bit concerned about animals though, especially the dogs. Do they eat it? Do they get poisoned? Humans can be poisoned by Borax so I assume that dogs (being mammals) could be too. Why don't you just find the ant nests (look under rocks etc) and put the mix in the holes or under the rocks where the nests are likely to be or set up stations under heavy rocks that the dogs can't get to. |
Getting rid of ants
"SG1" writes:
I use cabbage dust around the ant holes. Works wonders under the hills hoist. Inside I use honey & borax powder. We used to be over run in the kitchen when we first moved in, took about 3 years to convince them the kitchen was MY domain not their's. There seem to be two broad categories of ants that you'll find in the kitchen: those after sweet things such as sugar, honey, jam, etc., and those after meat or fat. I expect the honey + borax lure will only get the first ones. Those in the second category love cheese and bacon crumbs from a pizza, but I found they wouldn't touch sugar or honey. I do wonder whether there might be meat-loving ants in the garden that go around collecting grubs off the cabbages, and aphids off radish leaves, etc. Can anyone vouch for this? Maybe not all ants in the garden are undesirable. -- John Savage (my news address is not valid for email) |
Getting Borax
Where do you get Borax from?! I tried Bunnings (I hate bunnings) and Coles
(hate them too) and neither had it. Where do you get it from? -- ant Don't try to email me; I'm borrowing the spammer du jour's addy |
Getting Borax
"ant" wrote in message ... Where do you get Borax from?! I tried Bunnings (I hate bunnings) and Coles (hate them too) and neither had it. Where do you get it from? I just got some from foodworks, but I'm sure Coles and other supermarkets would have it as well. You'll find it in the laundry section, with washing powders and stain removers. Jen |
Getting Borax
"ant" wrote in message
Where do you get Borax from?! You should find it in the Laundry soap section of a supermarket. It's prime use (domestically) is for washing things like blankets. The brand I use is Hovex and it's in a plastic container about the sixe of a smallish can of corn. |
Getting rid of ants
"John Savage" wrote in message
I do wonder whether there might be meat-loving ants in the garden that go around collecting grubs off the cabbages, and aphids off radish leaves, etc. Can anyone vouch for this? Maybe not all ants in the garden are undesirable. I used to do furniture making classes with a world wide expert on ants. For some reason the Japanese are fascinated with ants and he was always either being filmed or interviewed by them or asked to Japan to talk about them Lord knows what the film crews thought of some of the places he used to drag them off to. Can't remember his surname now but he was Dr. Bob Something or other. At lunch time we would always find some sort of ant and he would instantly say: "It's a 'xxxx xxxx'" giving it's Latin name and then he would either squash it because it was an introduced species or carefully put it right back where we found it if it was a native ant. Anyway, I know that I have at least 5 different types of ants in my garden. I haven't a clue what they are except black, brown and blue. They have never bothered me except when they have bitten me (rarely) or done damage to anything that I can identify. In fact the big 1cm long brown ants have been the most reliable forecasters of rain that we can identify with the exception of the Black Cockatoos. When the big brown ants start building up dam walls around the entrance to their nests we know it is going to rain. I've never had any need to poison ants outside but have had to do so in the kitchen. |
Getting Borax
Farm1 wrote:
"ant" wrote in message Where do you get Borax from?! You should find it in the Laundry soap section of a supermarket. It's prime use (domestically) is for washing things like blankets. The brand I use is Hovex and it's in a plastic container about the sixe of a smallish can of corn. I did look there, and didn't see it. Might be buried under all the stuff that pays more for a better spot in the supermarket. It's a particularly crappy Coles, this one. -- ant Don't try to email me; I'm borrowing the spammer du jour's addy |
Getting rid of ants
g'day john,
i don't find any ant undesirable in the garden it is only those times they bring in aphids etc.,. they have hteir part to play in recycling in the garden eg.,. when we last lived in the 'burbs we would do the torch safari and squish those snails and the ants would clean up the dead critters. even termites in the garden are a benefit. not sure about ants just try to live with them, but up in the bush we had a lot of what i know as meat ants a fairly large ant, that created food trails through the grass dunno how they did it? but they had clear walkways to regular food sources, and they collected lots of fallen bugs or whatever they could find but they still harvested/farmed scale instect. so i would be guessing that most ants will like sweets after the main meal huh chuckle? an amazing ant to watch they where, if it was going to rain heavily their food collecting activity was dramatically escalated and they where far less tollerant of you getting in their road then the only time i ahve ever been bitten by them, if the night was going to be cold they would have the dark coloured stones on top of their nest to gather heat so they could take them down and warm whatever part of the nest they needed warming, then the opposite in summer they had the lighter stones on top. i've seen before when the ants are hurredly removing the aphids down to the roots of the roses you can count on it raining heavily. On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:56:48 GMT, John Savage wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.gardenlen.com |
Getting Borax
"ant" wrote in message
Farm1 wrote: "ant" wrote in message Where do you get Borax from?! You should find it in the Laundry soap section of a supermarket. It's prime use (domestically) is for washing things like blankets. The brand I use is Hovex and it's in a plastic container about the sixe of a smallish can of corn. I did look there, and didn't see it. Now was that a boy's look or a girl's look? And did you look high on the shelves and low on the shelves? Slow movers like Borax would probably be either high or low on the shelves. You could try some of the more "ethnic" supermarkets like the one at Karabar. If you have trouble getting it, let me know and I'll get some at my local and send it to you. |
Getting Borax
"Jonno" wrote in message ... SG1 wrote: I got mine from PharmacyDirect, but that is what happens when the nearest big supmarket is 100 miles not those new fangled french things (kilometres). Jim Chemist as always...its a chemical... Probably cheaper to "find" it at Coles or Woolies But have you got the time? in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots (10/20/30 kg bags). Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm merchants would sell it as well. rob |
Getting Borax
"ant" wrote in message ... Farm1 wrote: "ant" wrote in message Where do you get Borax from?! You should find it in the Laundry soap section of a supermarket. It's prime use (domestically) is for washing things like blankets. The brand I use is Hovex and it's in a plastic container about the sixe of a smallish can of corn. I did look there, and didn't see it. Might be buried under all the stuff that pays more for a better spot in the supermarket. It's a particularly crappy Coles, this one. I found it right next to washing soda, I think fabric softeners were very close too. Mu one was by Harpers in a 500g white plastic container with a red lid. It's only a small supermarket too. Hopefully that'll help. Jen Jen |
Getting Borax
Farm1 wrote:
"ant" wrote in message Farm1 wrote: "ant" wrote in message Where do you get Borax from?! You should find it in the Laundry soap section of a supermarket. It's prime use (domestically) is for washing things like blankets. The brand I use is Hovex and it's in a plastic container about the sixe of a smallish can of corn. I did look there, and didn't see it. Now was that a boy's look or a girl's look? And did you look high on the shelves and low on the shelves? Slow movers like Borax would probably be either high or low on the shelves. You could try some of the more "ethnic" supermarkets like the one at Karabar. If you have trouble getting it, let me know and I'll get some at my local and send it to you. It was probably hidden with the washing soda! I'm going to put my brother on the job, he'll find it. -- ant Don't try to email me; I'm borrowing the spammer du jour's addy |
Getting Borax
Jen wrote:
I found it right next to washing soda, I think fabric softeners were very close too. Mu one was by Harpers in a 500g white plastic container with a red lid. It's only a small supermarket too. argh, I knew it! Rotten coles. -- ant Don't try to email me; I'm borrowing the spammer du jour's addy |
Getting Borax
I got mine from PharmacyDirect, but that is what happens when the nearest
big supmarket is 100 miles not those new fangled french things (kilometres). Jim |
Getting Borax
SG1 wrote:
I got mine from PharmacyDirect, but that is what happens when the nearest big supmarket is 100 miles not those new fangled french things (kilometres). Jim Chemist as always...its a chemical... Probably cheaper to "find" it at Coles or Woolies But have you got the time? |
Getting Borax
George.com wrote:
"Jonno" wrote in message ... SG1 wrote: I got mine from PharmacyDirect, but that is what happens when the nearest big supmarket is 100 miles not those new fangled french things (kilometres). Jim Chemist as always...its a chemical... Probably cheaper to "find" it at Coles or Woolies But have you got the time? in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots (10/20/30 kg bags). Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm merchants would sell it as well. I was wondering about that. There's a big one in Fyshwick but they open tradesmen hours. Might have to nip out at lunchtime. A big bag is what I need. -- ant Don't try to email me; I'm borrowing the spammer du jour's addy |
Getting Borax
"George.com" wrote in message ... "Jonno" wrote in message ... SG1 wrote: I got mine from PharmacyDirect, but that is what happens when the nearest big supmarket is 100 miles not those new fangled french things (kilometres). Jim Chemist as always...its a chemical... Probably cheaper to "find" it at Coles or Woolies But have you got the time? in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots (10/20/30 kg bags). Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm merchants would sell it as well. Why would anyone need such big bags? What else is it used for? Jen |
Getting Borax
"Jen" wrote in message
"George.com" wrote in message in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots (10/20/30 kg bags). Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm merchants would sell it as well. Why would anyone need such big bags? What else is it used for? Boron deficient soil. It's an important trace element but you'd need a lot of land and to be growing lots of cabbages in boron deficient soil. |
Getting Borax
Farm1 wrote:
"Jen" wrote in message "George.com" wrote in message in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots (10/20/30 kg bags). Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm merchants would sell it as well. Why would anyone need such big bags? What else is it used for? Boron deficient soil. It's an important trace element but you'd need a lot of land and to be growing lots of cabbages in boron deficient soil. And getting those mongrel ants. I'll have to suspend operations for a week though, there's some big rain coming in. -- ant Don't try to email me; I'm borrowing the spammer du jour's addy |
Getting Borax
"ant" wrote in message ... Farm1 wrote: "Jen" wrote in message "George.com" wrote in message in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots (10/20/30 kg bags). Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm merchants would sell it as well. Why would anyone need such big bags? What else is it used for? Boron deficient soil. It's an important trace element but you'd need a lot of land and to be growing lots of cabbages in boron deficient soil. And getting those mongrel ants. I'll have to suspend operations for a week though, there's some big rain coming in. Surely that would be enough to annihilate the whole race of ants. Unless of course you have giant mutant ants of some sort. ;) Jen |
Getting Borax
"ant" wrote in message
... Farm1 wrote: "Jen" wrote in message "George.com" wrote in message in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots (10/20/30 kg bags). Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm merchants would sell it as well. Why would anyone need such big bags? What else is it used for? Boron deficient soil. It's an important trace element but you'd need a lot of land and to be growing lots of cabbages in boron deficient soil. And getting those mongrel ants. I'll have to suspend operations for a week though, there's some big rain coming in. You won't need anything near 10-30 kg to deal with ants. If you use that much then you'll have effectively poisoned your soil. |
Getting Borax
"Jen" wrote in message
"ant" wrote in message Farm1 wrote: "Jen" wrote in message "George.com" wrote in message in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots (10/20/30 kg bags). Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm merchants would sell it as well. Why would anyone need such big bags? What else is it used for? Boron deficient soil. It's an important trace element but you'd need a lot of land and to be growing lots of cabbages in boron deficient soil. And getting those mongrel ants. I'll have to suspend operations for a week though, there's some big rain coming in. Surely that would be enough to annihilate the whole race of ants. Unless of course you have giant mutant ants of some sort. ;) Hmmmmm. Given his name, is he wanting to wipe out the relatives? :-)))))) |
Getting Borax
Farm1 wrote:
"ant" wrote in message ... Farm1 wrote: "Jen" wrote in message "George.com" wrote in message in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots (10/20/30 kg bags). Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm merchants would sell it as well. Why would anyone need such big bags? What else is it used for? Boron deficient soil. It's an important trace element but you'd need a lot of land and to be growing lots of cabbages in boron deficient soil. And getting those mongrel ants. I'll have to suspend operations for a week though, there's some big rain coming in. You won't need anything near 10-30 kg to deal with ants. If you use that much then you'll have effectively poisoned your soil. 10kg would be too much for 16 acres? -- ant Don't try to email me; I'm borrowing the spammer du jour's addy |
Getting Borax
"ant" wrote in message ... Farm1 wrote: "ant" wrote in message ... Farm1 wrote: "Jen" wrote in message "George.com" wrote in message in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots (10/20/30 kg bags). Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm merchants would sell it as well. Why would anyone need such big bags? What else is it used for? Boron deficient soil. It's an important trace element but you'd need a lot of land and to be growing lots of cabbages in boron deficient soil. And getting those mongrel ants. I'll have to suspend operations for a week though, there's some big rain coming in. You won't need anything near 10-30 kg to deal with ants. If you use that much then you'll have effectively poisoned your soil. 10kg would be too much for 16 acres? -- The idea is to get rid of the nests that cause a problem, NOT scar the earth. Ants are there for a purpose, great scavengers & cleaner-uppers. You actually need them Jim |
Getting Borax
"ant" wrote in message
Farm1 wrote: "ant" wrote in message And getting those mongrel ants. I'll have to suspend operations for a week though, there's some big rain coming in. You won't need anything near 10-30 kg to deal with ants. If you use that much then you'll have effectively poisoned your soil. 10kg would be too much for 16 acres? Have you done any searches on how much boron you use in an ant killing station? My understanding is that it is something like tablespoon of boron to about a half cup of icing sugar. If you use too much borax on the basis of more is better then that is not so. The ants are not attracted to the borax but to the icing sugar and they will not take the bait unless it appeals to them. I know that with boron deficiency in cabbages, the rate of application is a teaspoon/gallon of water. That is a tiny amount of Borax and is for an identified deficiency. Even for apple trees that produce "corky" fruit the remedy is only 4oz for a mature tree - again a tiny amount. Boron is a very minutely needed trace element and I would be very cautious with how much you used and where. My reaction would be to try to get rid of the problem bringing the ants and to try to use white oil or some similar mild form of bug control rather than to risk killing every ant on the place and poisoning your soil. And I'd be using it only close tot he house if that is where your main problems of ant infestation and because of incursion into the house.Start small is always I think a better policy till you see what will occur. |
Getting Borax
SG1 wrote:
The idea is to get rid of the nests that cause a problem, NOT scar the earth. Ants are there for a purpose, great scavengers & cleaner-uppers. You actually need them They're wrecking my trees. Maybe I won't kill all of them though, occasionally a large echidna appears but he doesn't seem to be eating very many. -- ant Don't try to email me; I'm borrowing the spammer du jour's addy |
Getting Borax
ant wrote: SG1 wrote: The idea is to get rid of the nests that cause a problem, NOT scar the earth. Ants are there for a purpose, great scavengers & cleaner-uppers. You actually need them They're wrecking my trees. Maybe I won't kill all of them though, occasionally a large echidna appears but he doesn't seem to be eating very many. -- ant Don't try to email me; I'm borrowing the spammer du jour's addy What are they doing that makes you think it is the ants that are wrecking your trees and what sort of trees are being effected? The ants may be just a symptom and not the cause of the damage to your trees. |
Getting Borax
"GreenieLeBrun" wrote in message ups.com... ant wrote: SG1 wrote: The idea is to get rid of the nests that cause a problem, NOT scar the earth. Ants are there for a purpose, great scavengers & cleaner-uppers. You actually need them They're wrecking my trees. Maybe I won't kill all of them though, occasionally a large echidna appears but he doesn't seem to be eating very many. How do ants wreck trees? Just wondering. :) Jen |
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