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Gardens vs dogs
I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to
get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz |
Gardens vs dogs
"Staycalm" wrote in message u... I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz Yes..Star pickets and dog wire. David |
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:50:06 +1000, "David Hare-Scott" wrote:
Yes..Star pickets and dog wire. How many dogs does one have to melt down to get a meter of dog wire? |
Gardens vs dogs
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
... "Staycalm" wrote in message u... I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz Yes..Star pickets and dog wire. David If I only have a little dog (not a high jumping type of dog), how high should I make it? Can I make it low enough to step over or should I just incorporate some sort of gate? Liz |
Gardens vs dogs
On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:54:03 +1000, "Staycalm"
wrote: I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz Place plastic see through water bottles around the garden. This stops them from ****ing and pooing all over the garden. |
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:40:24 +1000, "Staycalm"
wrote: "David Hare-Scott" wrote in message ... "Staycalm" wrote in message u... I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz Yes..Star pickets and dog wire. David If I only have a little dog (not a high jumping type of dog), how high should I make it? Can I make it low enough to step over or should I just incorporate some sort of gate? I've found water bottles do the trick. If you are going to build a fence make sure it goes down at least 2 feet as dogs do like to dig to get under things. |
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"cp" wrote in message
... On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:40:24 +1000, "Staycalm" wrote: "David Hare-Scott" wrote in message ... "Staycalm" wrote in message u... I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz Yes..Star pickets and dog wire. David If I only have a little dog (not a high jumping type of dog), how high should I make it? Can I make it low enough to step over or should I just incorporate some sort of gate? I've found water bottles do the trick. If you are going to build a fence make sure it goes down at least 2 feet as dogs do like to dig to get under things. Our neighbours had a jack russell X and we spent 6 months+ filling in holes it dug between our properties. In the end we made the yard so she couldn't dig her way out. Instead she learned to climb the fence. They decided to rehome her recently. I would have considered taking her on as she was a lovely little thing. But not enough training and way too energetic for us. It will need to be a very placid lazy dog for our family :-) Liz |
Gardens vs dogs
In one word dont.
Either you will have a garden or you wont. Puppies, dogs and gardens, especially a young dog dont mix. Fence it of, star pickets and makethe wire about 12 inches deep with chook wire, and a gate. Also expect some entries into the garden when you forget the gate. And dont even think of a labrador (grin!) Staycalm wrote: I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz |
Gardens vs dogs
"Staycalm" wrote in message u... I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz VALIUM. Works for me. Our dogs KNOW that the vege patch is off limits, mind you that has taken 7+ and 6+ years to get right (I hope). |
Gardens vs dogs
"Staycalm" wrote in message news:470749d1$0$31115 If I only have a little dog (not a high jumping type of dog), how high should I make it? Can I make it low enough to step over or should I just incorporate some sort of gate? Liz I suggested a fence as a way to keep a naughty untrained puppy out while you work on training. Some dogs can jump well and some can't very well, size is not the only consideration. Some who can jump well do it and others don't. Then there is the possibility of digging. Getting down to details depends on the breed of dog, the temper of the individual, how well and quickly you can train it, if it is left on its own to get bored etc. I am guessing you need more information before you get this dog and usenet may not be the best place to get it. Why not take this up with the breeder or the local club for the breed. David |
Gardens vs dogs
"cp" wrote in message ... On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:54:03 +1000, "Staycalm" wrote: I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz Place plastic see through water bottles around the garden. This stops them from ****ing and pooing all over the garden. Urban myth David |
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For a start try this site here.
Its the best site I have found yet. Others please look away. This is not for your eyes..... http://www.abc.net.au/tv/waggingschool/training/ David Hare-Scott wrote: "Staycalm" wrote in message news:470749d1$0$31115 If I only have a little dog (not a high jumping type of dog), how high should I make it? Can I make it low enough to step over or should I just incorporate some sort of gate? Liz I suggested a fence as a way to keep a naughty untrained puppy out while you work on training. Some dogs can jump well and some can't very well, size is not the only consideration. Some who can jump well do it and others don't. Then there is the possibility of digging. Getting down to details depends on the breed of dog, the temper of the individual, how well and quickly you can train it, if it is left on its own to get bored etc. I am guessing you need more information before you get this dog and usenet may not be the best place to get it. Why not take this up with the breeder or the local club for the breed. David |
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Gooday Liz,
For a start try this site here. Its the best site I have found yet. (Others please look away. This is not for your eyes.....) http://www.abc.net.au/tv/waggingschool/training/ Best of luck. With the information here you're of to a good start. Jonno.... Staycalm wrote: I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz |
Gardens vs dogs
"Staycalm" wrote in message
u... I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz ime some dogs go everywhere, and others will only go where it looks "empty" (as it were). my dog doesn't go on garden beds with things in them. mind you, he is largish, so he's not as likely to go romping through the undergrowth (or veg) anyway. you probably need to assume the pup is the former kind, however, just in case!! i'd just put up some chicken wire or something with stakes - it wouldn't need to be high, just be a barrier s/he can't walk through, to demonstrate s/he can't go there. later when training is fully underway, train him/her off the area once you've got a "don't go there"-type command. it sounds odd, but short, thin stakes put in (quite a few to the square metre) keeps dogs off too. kylie |
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"0tterbot" wrote in message ... "Staycalm" wrote in message u... I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz ime some dogs go everywhere, and others will only go where it looks "empty" (as it were). my dog doesn't go on garden beds with things in them. mind you, he is largish, so he's not as likely to go romping through the undergrowth (or veg) anyway. my mutts keep my vege garden free of cat poop or any other odorous compost, a very useful service on their part they assume until they try to lick me. rob |
Gardens vs dogs
On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:06:32 +1000, "David Hare-Scott"
wrote: "cp" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:54:03 +1000, "Staycalm" wrote: I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz Place plastic see through water bottles around the garden. This stops them from ****ing and pooing all over the garden. Urban myth Not at all. Have two dogs and they keep clear of the garden. The neighbours dogs don't **** in the garden either. The reason why they don't **** around where their is a bottle of water is that the dog does not want to possibly pollute its drinking water supply. |
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"Jonno" wrote in message
... Gooday Liz, For a start try this site here. Its the best site I have found yet. (Others please look away. This is not for your eyes.....) http://www.abc.net.au/tv/waggingschool/training/ Best of luck. With the information here you're of to a good start. Jonno.... Staycalm wrote: I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz Thanks Jonno. This is a great site for me to show daughter and husband. I'm learning some more too! Liz |
Gardens vs dogs
"cp" wrote in message ... Place plastic see through water bottles around the garden. This stops them from ****ing and pooing all over the garden. Urban myth Not at all. Have two dogs and they keep clear of the garden. The neighbours dogs don't **** in the garden either. How do you know it's the bottles? The bottles are there, the dogs behave in a certain way but how do you know one causes the other? The reason why they don't **** around where their is a bottle of water is that the dog does not want to possibly pollute its drinking water supply. How do you know this? It sounds sort of plausible but that's not evidence. David |
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Please, please dont use it on your daughter or husband.
Staycalm wrote: "Jonno" wrote in message ... Gooday Liz, For a start try this site here. Its the best site I have found yet. (Others please look away. This is not for your eyes.....) http://www.abc.net.au/tv/waggingschool/training/ Best of luck. With the information here you're of to a good start. Jonno.... Staycalm wrote: I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz Thanks Jonno. This is a great site for me to show daughter and husband. I'm learning some more too! Liz |
Gardens vs dogs
On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:33:32 +1000, "David Hare-Scott"
wrote: "cp" wrote in message .. . Place plastic see through water bottles around the garden. This stops them from ****ing and pooing all over the garden. Urban myth Not at all. Have two dogs and they keep clear of the garden. The neighbours dogs don't **** in the garden either. How do you know it's the bottles? The bottles are there, the dogs behave in a certain way but how do you know one causes the other? Because before the bottles they ****ed and pooed over the garden at regular times during the day. I only found out about it at dog training school where I asked how to stop the dogs from ****ing and pooing in the garden. They advised placing a clear water bottle and placing water in the bottle. It did the trick. That was a couple of years ago. The reason why they don't **** around where their is a bottle of water is that the dog does not want to possibly pollute its drinking water supply. How do you know this? It sounds sort of plausible but that's not evidence. Found out about it at dog training school. Bound to be on google somewhere. |
Gardens vs dogs
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:53:26 GMT, cp wrote:
On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:33:32 +1000, "David Hare-Scott" wrote: "cp" wrote in message . .. Place plastic see through water bottles around the garden. This stops them from ****ing and pooing all over the garden. Urban myth Not at all. Have two dogs and they keep clear of the garden. The neighbours dogs don't **** in the garden either. How do you know it's the bottles? The bottles are there, the dogs behave in a certain way but how do you know one causes the other? Because before the bottles they ****ed and pooed over the garden at regular times during the day. I only found out about it at dog training school where I asked how to stop the dogs from ****ing and pooing in the garden. They advised placing a clear water bottle and placing water in the bottle. It did the trick. That was a couple of years ago. The reason why they don't **** around where their is a bottle of water is that the dog does not want to possibly pollute its drinking water supply. How do you know this? It sounds sort of plausible but that's not evidence. Found out about it at dog training school. Bound to be on google somewhere. And there is. http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=e...e+garden&meta= |
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"cp" wrote in message ... On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:53:26 GMT, cp wrote: On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:33:32 +1000, "David Hare-Scott" wrote: "cp" wrote in message . .. Place plastic see through water bottles around the garden. This stops them from ****ing and pooing all over the garden. Urban myth Not at all. Have two dogs and they keep clear of the garden. The neighbours dogs don't **** in the garden either. How do you know it's the bottles? The bottles are there, the dogs behave in a certain way but how do you know one causes the other? Because before the bottles they ****ed and pooed over the garden at regular times during the day. I only found out about it at dog training school where I asked how to stop the dogs from ****ing and pooing in the garden. They advised placing a clear water bottle and placing water in the bottle. It did the trick. That was a couple of years ago. The reason why they don't **** around where their is a bottle of water is that the dog does not want to possibly pollute its drinking water supply. How do you know this? It sounds sort of plausible but that's not evidence. Found out about it at dog training school. Bound to be on google somewhere. And there is. http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=e...e+garden&meta= Well this tells me that other people have the same belief which is the nature of urban legends. I have no desire to get into a ****ing competition over this (someone might throw bottles of water at us). If you believe it and it works for you that's fine - I am saying to others that they should not expect to get results. David |
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They got you to comment! Thats a result....
Leave those demented believers alone David..... They believe what they will!!! Some people are like this... Public servants for instance.... Well this tells me that other people have the same belief which is the nature of urban legends. I have no desire to get into a ****ing competition over this (someone might throw bottles of water at us). If you believe it and it works for you that's fine - I am saying to others that they should not expect to get results. David |
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:51:15 +1000, "David Hare-Scott"
wrote: "cp" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:53:26 GMT, cp wrote: On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:33:32 +1000, "David Hare-Scott" wrote: "cp" wrote in message . .. Place plastic see through water bottles around the garden. This stops them from ****ing and pooing all over the garden. Urban myth Not at all. Have two dogs and they keep clear of the garden. The neighbours dogs don't **** in the garden either. How do you know it's the bottles? The bottles are there, the dogs behave in a certain way but how do you know one causes the other? Because before the bottles they ****ed and pooed over the garden at regular times during the day. I only found out about it at dog training school where I asked how to stop the dogs from ****ing and pooing in the garden. They advised placing a clear water bottle and placing water in the bottle. It did the trick. That was a couple of years ago. The reason why they don't **** around where their is a bottle of water is that the dog does not want to possibly pollute its drinking water supply. How do you know this? It sounds sort of plausible but that's not evidence. Found out about it at dog training school. Bound to be on google somewhere. And there is. http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=e...e+garden&meta= Well this tells me that other people have the same belief which is the nature of urban legends. I have no desire to get into a ****ing competition over this (someone might throw bottles of water at us). If you believe it and it works for you that's fine - I am saying to others that they should not expect to get results. David Cheaper than a fence. |
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Yeah a fence with holes in it...
cp wrote: On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:51:15 +1000, "David Hare-Scott" wrote: "cp" wrote in message ... On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:53:26 GMT, cp wrote: On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:33:32 +1000, "David Hare-Scott" wrote: "cp" wrote in message ... Place plastic see through water bottles around the garden. This stops them from ****ing and pooing all over the garden. Urban myth Not at all. Have two dogs and they keep clear of the garden. The neighbours dogs don't **** in the garden either. How do you know it's the bottles? The bottles are there, the dogs behave in a certain way but how do you know one causes the other? Because before the bottles they ****ed and pooed over the garden at regular times during the day. I only found out about it at dog training school where I asked how to stop the dogs from ****ing and pooing in the garden. They advised placing a clear water bottle and placing water in the bottle. It did the trick. That was a couple of years ago. The reason why they don't **** around where their is a bottle of water is that the dog does not want to possibly pollute its drinking water supply. How do you know this? It sounds sort of plausible but that's not evidence. Found out about it at dog training school. Bound to be on google somewhere. And there is. http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=e...e+garden&meta= Well this tells me that other people have the same belief which is the nature of urban legends. I have no desire to get into a ****ing competition over this (someone might throw bottles of water at us). If you believe it and it works for you that's fine - I am saying to others that they should not expect to get results. David Cheaper than a fence. |
Gardens vs dogs
I still like the Bunning's small animal electric fence - one single strand
of wire - they only touch it twice - then don't go near it for over a year even with no power. Our two now just stay clear of the original area or the white wire where ever I put it up (ie to stop them arguing with the dogs next door) even if I don't put power on it. Dogs aren't stupid, they know if they get in trouble only when you are around, they will wait until you are not there. I got a valuable piece of advice from an old animal trainer years ago when I was working with chimps. He said if you are trying to stop them doing something wrong, the punishment needs to come from God. What he meant was, do not let them see you initiate it or they know where it comes from - if they can't see any direct link between you and the punishment, they are forever wary of it happening again, hence won't do the wrong thing any time. Better that they don't do something by choice than because they are physically prevented from doing it as all that does is creates a challenge. A fence that doesn't bite is a challenge to get over or under, or through - an area that bites is worth avoiding. Geoff "George.com" wrote in message ... "0tterbot" wrote in message ... "Staycalm" wrote in message u... I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz ime some dogs go everywhere, and others will only go where it looks "empty" (as it were). my dog doesn't go on garden beds with things in them. mind you, he is largish, so he's not as likely to go romping through the undergrowth (or veg) anyway. my mutts keep my vege garden free of cat poop or any other odorous compost, a very useful service on their part they assume until they try to lick me. rob |
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Thats great advice and does seem to work as I have seen it work with an
electric fence and dogs. Even elephants at the zoo act like this with the electric fence. Geoff & Heather wrote: I still like the Bunning's small animal electric fence - one single strand of wire - they only touch it twice - then don't go near it for over a year even with no power. Our two now just stay clear of the original area or the white wire where ever I put it up (ie to stop them arguing with the dogs next door) even if I don't put power on it. Dogs aren't stupid, they know if they get in trouble only when you are around, they will wait until you are not there. I got a valuable piece of advice from an old animal trainer years ago when I was working with chimps. He said if you are trying to stop them doing something wrong, the punishment needs to come from God. What he meant was, do not let them see you initiate it or they know where it comes from - if they can't see any direct link between you and the punishment, they are forever wary of it happening again, hence won't do the wrong thing any time. Better that they don't do something by choice than because they are physically prevented from doing it as all that does is creates a challenge. A fence that doesn't bite is a challenge to get over or under, or through - an area that bites is worth avoiding. Geoff "George.com" wrote in message ... "0tterbot" wrote in message ... "Staycalm" wrote in message u... I have a lovely established veggie garden in the back yard. I am planning to get a puppy or young dog (small breed) in the next 4 months or so. Should I plan to fence off the veggie garden in some way? What can I use that's not too costly but will protect the patch? Liz ime some dogs go everywhere, and others will only go where it looks "empty" (as it were). my dog doesn't go on garden beds with things in them. mind you, he is largish, so he's not as likely to go romping through the undergrowth (or veg) anyway. my mutts keep my vege garden free of cat poop or any other odorous compost, a very useful service on their part they assume until they try to lick me. rob |
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