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David Hare-Scott 17-01-2008 04:36 AM

Peach drooling
 
I got some of our fragar peaches before the bats this morning. Rich,
aromatic, sweet and juicy, two vanished very quickly before I poured my
cornflakes. Juice, and probably some saliva, was running down to my elbows.
There is just no comparison with store-bought because they tend to be picked
under ripe.

For those who haven't tried a properly ripened peach or nectarine, even if you
have room for only one fruit tree in your yard plant one.

David



0tterbot 27-01-2008 10:58 PM

Peach drooling
 
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
I got some of our fragar peaches before the bats this morning. Rich,
aromatic, sweet and juicy, two vanished very quickly before I poured my
cornflakes. Juice, and probably some saliva, was running down to my
elbows.
There is just no comparison with store-bought because they tend to be
picked
under ripe.

For those who haven't tried a properly ripened peach or nectarine, even if
you
have room for only one fruit tree in your yard plant one.

David


well we've been trying to join you, but having a few problems & having to
eat the peaches not-quite-ripe! it is a bit frustrating. something is
stinging the fruits so they have brown rotting patches as they ripen. still,
the edible remainders are pretty good. those which don't have fruit-fly,
that is ;-) i was also getting mad at the birds for getting into them, until
dh pointed out that the birds aren't causing nearly as much damage as the
bugs are. good point.

i'm hoping that next year we'll be having more fruit with fewer problems
(getting informed might help, eh.)
enjoy your peaches!
kylie



jones 28-01-2008 01:29 AM

Peach drooling
 
We have had a 2 apricot trees for a few years. Believe it they grew from
seed. Honestly.

However we have yet to enjoy any fruit as they drop before they get to a
good size.

Do you think it is lack of water that's doing that? I know the birds come
and could knock them down, but so many?

thanks
Katherine

well we've been trying to join you, but having a few problems & having to
eat the peaches not-quite-ripe! it is a bit frustrating. something is
stinging the fruits so they have brown rotting patches as they ripen.
still, the edible remainders are pretty good. those which don't have
fruit-fly, that is ;-) i was also getting mad at the birds for getting
into them, until dh pointed out that the birds aren't causing nearly as
much damage as the bugs are. good point.

i'm hoping that next year we'll be having more fruit with fewer problems
(getting informed might help, eh.)
enjoy your peaches!
kylie




Trish Brown 28-01-2008 01:31 AM

Peach drooling
 
0tterbot wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
I got some of our fragar peaches before the bats this morning. Rich,
aromatic, sweet and juicy, two vanished very quickly before I poured my
cornflakes. Juice, and probably some saliva, was running down to my
elbows.
There is just no comparison with store-bought because they tend to be
picked
under ripe.

For those who haven't tried a properly ripened peach or nectarine, even if
you
have room for only one fruit tree in your yard plant one.

David


well we've been trying to join you, but having a few problems & having to
eat the peaches not-quite-ripe! it is a bit frustrating. something is
stinging the fruits so they have brown rotting patches as they ripen. still,
the edible remainders are pretty good. those which don't have fruit-fly,
that is ;-) i was also getting mad at the birds for getting into them, until
dh pointed out that the birds aren't causing nearly as much damage as the
bugs are. good point.

i'm hoping that next year we'll be having more fruit with fewer problems
(getting informed might help, eh.)
enjoy your peaches!
kylie



Kylie, I wonder if making muslin drawstring bags to hang around the
fruits might work? Muslin would allow the light and air in to swell the
fruits, but would keep out all but the tiniest of creatures. You'd
probably have to put the bags on while the fruits were still small and
green: that is, before the insects got a whiff of them.

I dunno... I've never grown stone fruits, but it might work?

Do you have a Spotlight nearby? They keep muslin of different weights
and also some of the sew-in interfacings would do just as well.

--
Trish {|:-} Newcastle, NSW, Australia

David Hare-Scott 28-01-2008 03:17 AM

Peach drooling
 

"Trish Brown" wrote in message
...
well we've been trying to join you, but having a few problems & having to
eat the peaches not-quite-ripe! it is a bit frustrating. something is
stinging the fruits so they have brown rotting patches as they ripen.

still,
the edible remainders are pretty good. those which don't have fruit-fly,
that is ;-) i was also getting mad at the birds for getting into them,

until
dh pointed out that the birds aren't causing nearly as much damage as the
bugs are. good point.

i'm hoping that next year we'll be having more fruit with fewer problems
(getting informed might help, eh.)
enjoy your peaches!
kylie



Kylie, I wonder if making muslin drawstring bags to hang around the
fruits might work? Muslin would allow the light and air in to swell the
fruits, but would keep out all but the tiniest of creatures. You'd
probably have to put the bags on while the fruits were still small and
green: that is, before the insects got a whiff of them.

I dunno... I've never grown stone fruits, but it might work?

Do you have a Spotlight nearby? They keep muslin of different weights
and also some of the sew-in interfacings would do just as well.

--
Trish {|:-} Newcastle, NSW, Australia


We tried paper bags this year. The organic growers society recommended them
as they are cheap and you use no insecticide. The idea is you bag the fruit
just after it sets and it keeps out the fruit fly, birds and bats. I was
sceptical but the bags last fairly well, only now are they starting to rot and
fall off having been on for 4 months, with much rain in that time.

As for keeping out the vermin, two out of three might be good for some
purposes but not this one. We have no fly or bird loss. The bats however are
no respecter of paper bags. They are smart enough to drop by and check on the
bags from time to time as the fruit develops - they know there is fruit in
there. As soon as their cute little noses tell them it is ripe their cute
little teeth go straight through the bag and into the fruit. Bless their
little fructivorous instincts.

So we have just bought a roll of netting and I will be constructing polypipe
igloos over the winter to hold the net. Hopefully next year we will get all
the fruit instead of about one quarter.

We had some cheapo nets as a stop gap but as expected they didn't last. While
releasing one of our cute little furry guests I got to check out his cute
little toothy pegs. Don't let anyone tell you that only carnivores have
dangerous teeth. In proportion to their size a bat has teeth better than a
cat or dog and needle sharp. After they have been in a net for a few hours
they will bite anything that comes into range.

So I don't know if cloth bags will work if you have bats. Have you though of
knitting them out of barbed wire?

David



Trish Brown 28-01-2008 03:51 AM

Peach drooling
 
David Hare-Scott wrote:


We tried paper bags this year. The organic growers society recommended them
as they are cheap and you use no insecticide. The idea is you bag the fruit
just after it sets and it keeps out the fruit fly, birds and bats. I was
sceptical but the bags last fairly well, only now are they starting to rot and
fall off having been on for 4 months, with much rain in that time.

As for keeping out the vermin, two out of three might be good for some
purposes but not this one. We have no fly or bird loss. The bats however are
no respecter of paper bags. They are smart enough to drop by and check on the
bags from time to time as the fruit develops - they know there is fruit in
there. As soon as their cute little noses tell them it is ripe their cute
little teeth go straight through the bag and into the fruit. Bless their
little fructivorous instincts.

So we have just bought a roll of netting and I will be constructing polypipe
igloos over the winter to hold the net. Hopefully next year we will get all
the fruit instead of about one quarter.

We had some cheapo nets as a stop gap but as expected they didn't last. While
releasing one of our cute little furry guests I got to check out his cute
little toothy pegs. Don't let anyone tell you that only carnivores have
dangerous teeth. In proportion to their size a bat has teeth better than a
cat or dog and needle sharp. After they have been in a net for a few hours
they will bite anything that comes into range.

So I don't know if cloth bags will work if you have bats. Have you though of
knitting them out of barbed wire?

David



Hmmm... Bunnings sells a wonderful wire netting called petnet (or
similar... I disremember the exact name). It's designed for screen doors
up which your cat climbs or through which your dog scratches holes. We
had both problems, but the petnet fixed it quick-smart! It's got a light
metal base (dunno how they achieve it), comes in black or dark green and
the sharpest animal claws and fangs won't rip it. Our bull terrier has
been busily scraping away at the back screen door for years now, with
nary a mark in the petnet! I can also say it keeps out mice (we had a
wild Dark Mouse creeping into our mouse cage and violating all my lovely
pedigreed girls!!!) and, as an aside, insects.

I reckon you ought to try just one (1) cloth bag, just so we can all
know whether bats can smell and/or gouge their way through cloth. In the
interests of furthering scientific knowledge, you understand...

I have to say, I do have a soft spot for flying foxes, but how
profoundly I do wish they'd stop shitting all over my dog, who is white,
and who heartily dislikes me scraping melted-caramel, sour-smelling
batshit off her back! I can't say I'm that overjoyed about them dropping
the foul stuff on my washing, either. Or the duco of my car. But hey!
Live and let live, I say!

You should be careful if handling a bat! They can be carriers of a
really nasty disease called Lyssavirus, so make sure you use stout
gloves if you absolutely need to handle one. If you get bitten, it'd
certainly be worth getting it checked out by a doctor. Lyssavirus can be
fatal.

Before I shuddup, can I ask how you plan to make your nets? Will you be
netting the whole tree (some local people have done that, successfully,
it seems), or just the clusters of fruits? I'm interested in how you
plan to construct the net...

Best of luck, anyway. Do let us know how you get on! :-D
--
Trish {|:-} Newcastle, NSW, Australia

David Hare-Scott 28-01-2008 12:13 PM

Peach drooling
 

"Trish Brown" wrote in message
...

So I don't know if cloth bags will work if you have bats. Have you though

of
knitting them out of barbed wire?

David




I reckon you ought to try just one (1) cloth bag, just so we can all
know whether bats can smell and/or gouge their way through cloth. In the
interests of furthering scientific knowledge, you understand...

I have to say, I do have a soft spot for flying foxes, but how
profoundly I do wish they'd stop shitting all over my dog, who is white,
and who heartily dislikes me scraping melted-caramel, sour-smelling
batshit off her back! I can't say I'm that overjoyed about them dropping
the foul stuff on my washing, either. Or the duco of my car. But hey!
Live and let live, I say!


Well I must be a softie too 'cause when the the little bugger couldn't get off
the ground after he was free I went and picked him up again and threw him up
so he could fly off and then return to steal my nectarines the next night.
The prevailing wisdom here is you free them from the net (and this vale of
tears) with a spade.


You should be careful if handling a bat! They can be carriers of a
really nasty disease called Lyssavirus, so make sure you use stout
gloves if you absolutely need to handle one. If you get bitten, it'd
certainly be worth getting it checked out by a doctor. Lyssavirus can be
fatal.


I wore really heavy leather gauntlets and my offsider distracted the patient
by letting him bite on a stick during the operation.

Before I shuddup, can I ask how you plan to make your nets? Will you be
netting the whole tree (some local people have done that, successfully,
it seems), or just the clusters of fruits? I'm interested in how you
plan to construct the net...


The whole tree or row as the case may be. I will make a frame out of bent
polypipe mounted on waterpipe stakes. The net will be pegged over the frame
to the ground. I have seen nets just hung over the tree and it really doesn't
work.

David



0tterbot 31-01-2008 10:41 PM

Peach drooling
 
"Trish Brown" wrote in message
...

Kylie, I wonder if making muslin drawstring bags to hang around the fruits
might work? Muslin would allow the light and air in to swell the fruits,
but would keep out all but the tiniest of creatures. You'd probably have
to put the bags on while the fruits were still small and green: that is,
before the insects got a whiff of them.

I dunno... I've never grown stone fruits, but it might work?

Do you have a Spotlight nearby? They keep muslin of different weights and
also some of the sew-in interfacings would do just as well.


mmm, i love spotlight :-)

yes, next year we are going to do SOMETHING about the bugs. for this year,
our main aim was just to see what kind of fruit each tree has (the fruits
didn't make it last year), what diseases have carried over, etc. any fruit
we get is just a bonus for now! they're all going to be severely pruned
after fruiting, as they are a mess all around.

have been cleaning up & bagging the fallen fruits in the sun, to try to
limit the fruit-fly invasion. this is my children's job; it makes them very
cross ;-)
kylie



Trish Brown 31-01-2008 11:03 PM

Peach drooling
 
0tterbot wrote:
"Trish Brown" wrote in message
...


Do you have a Spotlight nearby? They keep muslin of different weights and
also some of the sew-in interfacings would do just as well.


mmm, i love spotlight :-)


Don't tell me you sew??? How remarkable! When people ask 'where did you
buy that?' and I tell them I made it, they look at me funny. My
favourite is making kid's school uniforms for $16 when they cost $74 to
buy in the shops! LOLOLOLOL!

yes, next year we are going to do SOMETHING about the bugs. for this year,
our main aim was just to see what kind of fruit each tree has (the fruits
didn't make it last year), what diseases have carried over, etc. any fruit
we get is just a bonus for now! they're all going to be severely pruned
after fruiting, as they are a mess all around.

have been cleaning up & bagging the fallen fruits in the sun, to try to
limit the fruit-fly invasion. this is my children's job; it makes them very
cross ;-)
kylie



Ah, I envy you that! (The fruit, not the cross children). Our block is
very poorly drained and so far, any fruit trees I've tried to grow have
drowned. We're hoping to do *some*thing to fix the drainage problem, but
not sure what... Main push at the moment is to get rid of the 'lawn'. I
have learned that lawn is a very overrated phenomenon and I no longer
want any.

--
Trish {|:-} Newcastle, NSW, Australia

0tterbot 03-02-2008 10:30 AM

Peach drooling
 
"Trish Brown" wrote in message
...
0tterbot wrote:
"Trish Brown" wrote in message
...


Do you have a Spotlight nearby? They keep muslin of different weights
and also some of the sew-in interfacings would do just as well.


mmm, i love spotlight :-)


Don't tell me you sew??? How remarkable! When people ask 'where did you
buy that?' and I tell them I made it, they look at me funny.


nobody has ever asked me where i got anything, ever. perhaps i am doing
soemthing wrong :-)

My
favourite is making kid's school uniforms for $16 when they cost $74 to
buy in the shops! LOLOLOLOL!


i have been a negligent in my sewing activites lately :-( but i still love
spotlight!

Ah, I envy you that! (The fruit, not the cross children). Our block is
very poorly drained and so far, any fruit trees I've tried to grow have
drowned. We're hoping to do *some*thing to fix the drainage problem, but
not sure what... Main push at the moment is to get rid of the 'lawn'. I
have learned that lawn is a very overrated phenomenon and I no longer want
any.


that is bad news (about the drainage). whenever i see those diagrams of "how
to make drainage trenches" in books, i feel very sad for anyone reading them
with a special interest. jackie french (rather typically!!!) breezily writes
that one can "plant them on mounds" if drainage is bad.

our drainage is not so good, either, & we've lost a few from waterlogging. i
spoke to dh about not letting the holes be "glazed" and too smooth when
planting them in. he did that a few times & i think that didn't help the
problem whatsoever.
kylie



Trish Brown 03-02-2008 11:28 AM

Peach drooling
 
0tterbot wrote:

snip

nobody has ever asked me where i got anything, ever. perhaps i am doing
soemthing wrong :-)


Maybe I was just lucky? Most of my sewing has been to dress a
late-in-life daughter who happened to do dance as well. I pulled out all
the stops for her, while the early-in-life son only got practical stuff.

i have been a negligent in my sewing activites lately :-( but i still love
spotlight!


Yeh! My fantasy is to get locked in there over a long weekend. Three
things I love to shop for: haberdashery, stationery supplies and
hardware (in that order). I've got an Australian botanicals quilt
rolling around in my mind for this year. I'd like to work a whole lot of
lesser-known native plants (not your basic waratahs and grevilleas etc)
into a very large appliqué and embroidery project. Only thing is, if I
think too hard, I convince myself I'm not clever enough to do it right.

Can you picture an appliqué jobbie that has a large spotted gum tree up
one side with embroidered blossoms and highly textured bark? The leaves
would be a challenge, but done correctly I think it'd be really
spectacular. OR (light bulb moment) a Red-Flowering Ironbark!!! Ooo! I'm
loikin' what I'm thinkin'...

Ah, I envy you that! (The fruit, not the cross children). Our block is
very poorly drained and so far, any fruit trees I've tried to grow have
drowned. We're hoping to do *some*thing to fix the drainage problem, but
not sure what... Main push at the moment is to get rid of the 'lawn'. I
have learned that lawn is a very overrated phenomenon and I no longer want
any.


that is bad news (about the drainage). whenever i see those diagrams of "how
to make drainage trenches" in books, i feel very sad for anyone reading them
with a special interest. jackie french (rather typically!!!) breezily writes
that one can "plant them on mounds" if drainage is bad.

our drainage is not so good, either, & we've lost a few from waterlogging. i
spoke to dh about not letting the holes be "glazed" and too smooth when
planting them in. he did that a few times & i think that didn't help the
problem whatsoever.
kylie


We've thought about it for fourteen years and *this* year, we're going
to bite the bullet and plant serious trees - probably casuarinas for the
grass repelling and the parrot-feeding cones and the gorgeous sound they
make in a breeze. I thought if we used River Oaks, then they'd be able
to cope with the seasonally boggy soil. D'you reckon? I'd have loved to
put in some Buckinghamia and Hymenosporum for the blossoms, but I don't
think either would last five minutes through the winter. Ah well. And
then, of course, some raised beds for the veggie garden of my dreams.

Do you have any good ideas for protecting Blue Tongues? Our dog has
found out she can kill them and despite some pretty hairy bellowing at
her, continues to do it. I thought, maybe some pipe of some
description... But how to keep it clear of soil and teach the blueys to
use it?

The other battle is with the #)%*%^^&#^ veldt grass that's taken over
the place. It looks fabulous left to its own devices, but it's nearly
two foot tall now! The frogs and blueys are loving it, but it gives me a
pain in the face: when you mow, the cables just rise up like spikes and
refuse to be squashed!

Ah, the problems of the flustered gardener! :-D

--
Trish {|:-} Newcastle, NSW, Australia

0tterbot 03-02-2008 11:05 PM

Peach drooling
 
"Trish Brown" wrote in message
...
0tterbot wrote:

snip

nobody has ever asked me where i got anything, ever. perhaps i am doing
soemthing wrong :-)


Maybe I was just lucky? Most of my sewing has been to dress a late-in-life
daughter who happened to do dance as well. I pulled out all the stops for
her, while the early-in-life son only got practical stuff.


aha. dancing daughter. aha. (i haven't got one of those!)

Yeh! My fantasy is to get locked in there over a long weekend. Three
things I love to shop for: haberdashery, stationery supplies and hardware
(in that order).


gasp me too!
in fact, i clearly remember when hardware warehouses were invented & we went
on our first trip to home hardware in ashfield. it was a wonderland! i
couldn't get enough of it!!!!!!!! then bunnings came along & ruined
everything for me.

I've got an Australian botanicals quilt
rolling around in my mind for this year. I'd like to work a whole lot of
lesser-known native plants (not your basic waratahs and grevilleas etc)
into a very large appliqué and embroidery project. Only thing is, if I
think too hard, I convince myself I'm not clever enough to do it right.

Can you picture an appliqué jobbie that has a large spotted gum tree up
one side with embroidered blossoms and highly textured bark? The leaves
would be a challenge, but done correctly I think it'd be really
spectacular. OR (light bulb moment) a Red-Flowering Ironbark!!! Ooo! I'm
loikin' what I'm thinkin'...


that would be very spectacular! although i must admit i like quilts & things
heavily traditional. so maybe ask someone else :-)

We've thought about it for fourteen years and *this* year, we're going to
bite the bullet and plant serious trees - probably casuarinas for the
grass repelling and the parrot-feeding cones and the gorgeous sound they
make in a breeze. I thought if we used River Oaks, then they'd be able to
cope with the seasonally boggy soil. D'you reckon?


ah, yes!

although - and not to be provoking aus.gardens to rise as one in an angry
mob or anything like that - but i love willows. i'm pretty sure that's what
_i'd_ be planting. you could make "rooms" out of pleached willows!!! it
would be so beautiful!!!!

I'd have loved to
put in some Buckinghamia and Hymenosporum for the blossoms, but I don't
think either would last five minutes through the winter. Ah well. And
then, of course, some raised beds for the veggie garden of my dreams.


you could also make raised beds along a suitable edge for dwarfed,
espaliered fruit-trees too, because then the beds would not have to be big.
regardless of teh blithe j. french, "mounds" are troublesome because they
eventually are not big enough & then you can't water the tree properly when
you need to (which is bound to happen eventually) - it just runs off & away.
this i know because we have some fruit trees on "mounds". pah.

you could also raise a few areas up (in an aesthetic manner) for smaller
plants which don't like bogs, too. and of course grow celery & mint to your
heart's content elsewhere :-)

Do you have any good ideas for protecting Blue Tongues? Our dog has found
out she can kill them and despite some pretty hairy bellowing at her,
continues to do it. I thought, maybe some pipe of some description... But
how to keep it clear of soil and teach the blueys to use it?


no idea. my dog kills them too (he thinks lizards & snakes are the same
thing, unfortunately). at the end of the day, the few blue-tongues which are
foolish enough to hang around our yard have to protect themselves. my
reasoning is that they have a great deal of room away from the yard (47
hectares). clearly that is where most of them live out long & alarm-free
lives. i just go out & try to rescue whatever it is that he's bailed up when
he does his "snake bark" (does not happen much any more). the blue-tongues
just don't come around so much any more. they seem to be fast learners ime,
so perhaps you could train them into pipes with fruit or meat - you just
don't want to be encouraging a difficult situation though where you're just
luring them to their deaths. ;-)

The other battle is with the #)%*%^^&#^ veldt grass that's taken over the
place. It looks fabulous left to its own devices, but it's nearly two foot
tall now! The frogs and blueys are loving it, but it gives me a pain in
the face: when you mow, the cables just rise up like spikes and refuse to
be squashed!

Ah, the problems of the flustered gardener! :-D


it never ends!!
i'm a fan of letting things work for themselves though - fighting it
constantly is just never going to work. when you decide how to work with
what you have & what you want within those limitations, it will go really
well, i am sure. for e.g. i spent some time frustrated beyond belief with
all the rocks we have. then i decided the rocks are a resource, not a
"problem". the soil is still full of rocks, but it no longer bothers me. :-)

otoh, it breaks my heart we can't have a peppercorn tree, because it gets
too cold here. i love peppercorn trees insanely. but there you have it!
kylie



Trish Brown 04-02-2008 01:15 AM

Peach drooling
 
0tterbot wrote:
"Trish Brown" wrote in message
...


snip

I'd have loved to
put in some Buckinghamia and Hymenosporum for the blossoms, but I don't
think either would last five minutes through the winter. Ah well. And
then, of course, some raised beds for the veggie garden of my dreams.


you could also make raised beds along a suitable edge for dwarfed,
espaliered fruit-trees too, because then the beds would not have to be big.
regardless of the blithe j. french, "mounds" are troublesome because they
eventually are not big enough & then you can't water the tree properly when
you need to (which is bound to happen eventually) - it just runs off & away.
this i know because we have some fruit trees on "mounds". pah.


I've seen fruit trees doing well with tractor-tyre collars. I've always
thought that would be a very easy way to raise a bed for a single tree,
but sadly I have no tractor tyres!

you could also raise a few areas up (in an aesthetic manner) for smaller
plants which don't like bogs, too. and of course grow celery & mint to your
heart's content elsewhere :-)


Our block becomes like sponge in the wet winter weather. I've found I
can't grow anything much except native violets and even they will drown
if kept wet for long enough. The lane behind our house was tar-sealed
and the camber has caused water to rush down the slight tilt onto our
block and just drown it. Most of our neighbours have put in concrete and
pavers and had professional drainage done. Can't afford that, buggerit!

I *so* love your idea with the willows and that was my first thought.
However, fancy putting willows cheek-by-jowl with town water and sewage!
Brrrrrrr!!! Doesn't bear thinking about! I figured casuarinas would be
the nearest native alternative and I do love them too.

(he thinks lizards & snakes are the same
thing, unfortunately). at the end of the day, the few blue-tongues which are
foolish enough to hang around our yard have to protect themselves. my
reasoning is that they have a great deal of room away from the yard (47
hectares). clearly that is where most of them live out long & alarm-free
lives. i just go out & try to rescue whatever it is that he's bailed up when
he does his "snake bark" (does not happen much any more). the blue-tongues
just don't come around so much any more. they seem to be fast learners ime,
so perhaps you could train them into pipes with fruit or meat - you just
don't want to be encouraging a difficult situation though where you're just
luring them to their deaths. ;-)


Yeah, I take your point. Our dog thinks exactly the same thing. We had a
Red Belly living under the house for nearly two years (didn't see a
single mouse in all that time), but sadly, the dog got him in the end.
(Actually she got him in the middle and for the life of me I can't see
how she didn't get bitten!)

The other battle is with the #)%*%^^&#^ veldt grass that's taken over the
place. It looks fabulous left to its own devices, but it's nearly two foot
tall now! The frogs and blueys are loving it, but it gives me a pain in
the face: when you mow, the cables just rise up like spikes and refuse to
be squashed!

Ah, the problems of the flustered gardener! :-D


it never ends!!
i'm a fan of letting things work for themselves though - fighting it
constantly is just never going to work. when you decide how to work with
what you have & what you want within those limitations, it will go really
well, i am sure. for e.g. i spent some time frustrated beyond belief with
all the rocks we have. then i decided the rocks are a resource, not a
"problem". the soil is still full of rocks, but it no longer bothers me. :-)

otoh, it breaks my heart we can't have a peppercorn tree, because it gets
too cold here. i love peppercorn trees insanely. but there you have it!
kylie


Yes, I thought the same thing about the recalcitrant grass. I'm going to
try to reduce the lawn area by putting 'things' in at the edges and
hoping some casuarinas will deter it a bit as well. Beyond that, it can
just grow! ;-D

--
Trish {|:-} Newcastle, NSW, Australia

FarmI 04-02-2008 04:22 AM

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"0tterbot" wrote in message news:lJgpj.10637
"Trish Brown" wrote in message


i have been a negligent in my sewing activites lately :-( but i still love
spotlight!


I hate the one that you and I would have access to. There are only about 3
decent staff in the place who know anything about fabric and I hate most of
the fabric they have because the quality is almost universally lousy.

I went in there to buy some japara that I'd seen a week before and of couse
they'd done a rearrangement and I had to go through 5 staff before i found
one who even knew what japara was.

that is bad news (about the drainage). whenever i see those diagrams of
"how to make drainage trenches" in books, i feel very sad for anyone
reading them with a special interest. jackie french (rather typically!!!)
breezily writes that one can "plant them on mounds" if drainage is bad.


It works for Paul D. who has the mudbrick house and the trout ponds outside
his balcony as that is how he plants his trees.



David Hare-Scott 04-02-2008 04:41 AM

Peach drooling
 

"0tterbot" wrote in message
...

Our block is
very poorly drained and so far, any fruit trees I've tried to grow have
drowned. We're hoping to do *some*thing to fix the drainage problem, but
not sure what... Main push at the moment is to get rid of the 'lawn'. I
have learned that lawn is a very overrated phenomenon and I no longer want
any.


that is bad news (about the drainage). whenever i see those diagrams of "how
to make drainage trenches" in books, i feel very sad for anyone reading them
with a special interest. jackie french (rather typically!!!) breezily writes
that one can "plant them on mounds" if drainage is bad.


The soil at my place is about 15cm of silt on top of solid plastic clay.
Every time I read about some new fruit or vege that I am thinking of trying it
says "requires good drainage". Grrrrrrrrrrr

One thing that helps is the main paddock is slightly sloping. When I do plant
in raised beds I allow the rows to point slightly down slope, not on contour,
this means that when the rain stops the bed drains between rows and the rows
drain downslope. So far this has saved most things.

our drainage is not so good, either, & we've lost a few from waterlogging. i
spoke to dh about not letting the holes be "glazed" and too smooth when
planting them in. he did that a few times & i think that didn't help the
problem whatsoever.
kylie


For trees I don't plant in holes. Holes become ponds in the underlying clay.
I built up a mound of topsoil and amendments (manure, compost, gypsum etc) and
plant into that. Even so you cannot spend your whole life building hills.

Of course trees will get their roots down into the clay eventually but it
doesn't seem to matter, sitting in wet clay doesn't seem to be as bad as in a
pool of water. In fact I am learning to love the clay bed as when it stops
raining, whcih must happen some time, the clay will slowly give up its water
for months and keep the place green.

It's raining again today. This summer we have had:

Nov 194
Dec 117
Jan 144
Feb 73

That's La Nina for you.

I just need a magic bullet for powdery mildew and sooty mould. And the car
has algae. Really.

David




FarmI 04-02-2008 04:45 AM

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"Trish Brown" wrote in message

Do you have any good ideas for protecting Blue Tongues? Our dog has found
out she can kill them and despite some pretty hairy bellowing at her,
continues to do it.


The only thing I have heard that worked was someone who flogged his dog
thoroughly with a dead Bluey. I was astounded when this person told me what
he had done as he is a mild mannered person who absolutley loves his dog,
but one day, the death toll of Bluey's fianlly just got to him and he freely
admits that he did his nut at the dog and just picked up the latest corpse
of a particularly big and fine Bluey and whaled into the dog. Apparently
the dog avoids Bluey's like the plague now and there have been no new
corpses over several years.

I thought, maybe some pipe of some
description... But how to keep it clear of soil and teach the blueys to
use it?


Aggie pipe held down with rocks/logs into which you roll snails.



Terryc 04-02-2008 05:29 AM

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FarmI wrote:
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"Trish Brown" wrote in message



i have been a negligent in my sewing activites lately :-( but i still love
spotlight!



I hate the one that you and I would have access to. There are only about 3
decent staff in the place who know anything about fabric


Yep, standard spotlight staff.

and I hate most of
the fabric they have because the quality is almost universally lousy.


SWMBO'd agrees.


I went in there to buy some japara that I'd seen a week before and of couse
they'd done a rearrangement and I had to go through 5 staff before i found
one who even knew what japara was.


Real japara?

0tterbot 04-02-2008 10:37 PM

Peach drooling
 
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"0tterbot" wrote in message news:lJgpj.10637
"Trish Brown" wrote in message


i have been a negligent in my sewing activites lately :-( but i still
love spotlight!


I hate the one that you and I would have access to. There are only about
3 decent staff in the place who know anything about fabric and I hate most
of the fabric they have because the quality is almost universally lousy.


it's entirely NOT the best one i've been to, that's for sure! however, if
_i_ know what i want, i can make it work. the staff are terrible!

I went in there to buy some japara that I'd seen a week before and of
couse they'd done a rearrangement and I had to go through 5 staff before i
found one who even knew what japara was.


(i don't know what japara is... ;-)


that is bad news (about the drainage). whenever i see those diagrams of
"how to make drainage trenches" in books, i feel very sad for anyone
reading them with a special interest. jackie french (rather typically!!!)
breezily writes that one can "plant them on mounds" if drainage is bad.


It works for Paul D. who has the mudbrick house and the trout ponds
outside his balcony as that is how he plants his trees.


undoubtedly, he had the foresight to create miniature tablelands, rather
than tiny silly mounds! :-)
kylie





0tterbot 04-02-2008 10:42 PM

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"Trish Brown" wrote in message
...

I've seen fruit trees doing well with tractor-tyre collars. I've always
thought that would be a very easy way to raise a bed for a single tree,
but sadly I have no tractor tyres!


heh. i have some.

i also have a tree (not a fruit tree) that some ninny planted into a car
tyre. now the tyre won't come off & can't be cut either (steel belt).
sigh!!! the trunk is as big as the hole in the tyre. we are flummoxed!

I *so* love your idea with the willows and that was my first thought.
However, fancy putting willows cheek-by-jowl with town water and sewage!
Brrrrrrr!!! Doesn't bear thinking about! I figured casuarinas would be the
nearest native alternative and I do love them too.


hm, are willows a problem in that context though? i thought they only give
people the shits if they're near a watercourse & bits can break off & go
downstream & root everywhere.(?) having said that, i personally think feral
willow is 4 million times better than nude eroded banks anyway!

but of course, the "native alternative" is going to sit better with
everyone.


(he thinks lizards & snakes are the same thing, unfortunately). at the
end of the day, the few blue-tongues which are foolish enough to hang
around our yard have to protect themselves. my reasoning is that they
have a great deal of room away from the yard (47 hectares). clearly that
is where most of them live out long & alarm-free lives. i just go out &
try to rescue whatever it is that he's bailed up when he does his "snake
bark" (does not happen much any more). the blue-tongues just don't come
around so much any more. they seem to be fast learners ime, so perhaps
you could train them into pipes with fruit or meat - you just don't want
to be encouraging a difficult situation though where you're just luring
them to their deaths. ;-)


Yeah, I take your point. Our dog thinks exactly the same thing. We had a
Red Belly living under the house for nearly two years (didn't see a single
mouse in all that time), but sadly, the dog got him in the end. (Actually
she got him in the middle and for the life of me I can't see how she
didn't get bitten!)


most dogs get lucky a few times.

The other battle is with the #)%*%^^&#^ veldt grass that's taken over
the place. It looks fabulous left to its own devices, but it's nearly
two foot tall now! The frogs and blueys are loving it, but it gives me a
pain in the face: when you mow, the cables just rise up like spikes and
refuse to be squashed!

Ah, the problems of the flustered gardener! :-D


it never ends!!
i'm a fan of letting things work for themselves though - fighting it
constantly is just never going to work. when you decide how to work with
what you have & what you want within those limitations, it will go really
well, i am sure. for e.g. i spent some time frustrated beyond belief with
all the rocks we have. then i decided the rocks are a resource, not a
"problem". the soil is still full of rocks, but it no longer bothers me.
:-)

otoh, it breaks my heart we can't have a peppercorn tree, because it gets
too cold here. i love peppercorn trees insanely. but there you have it!
kylie

Yes, I thought the same thing about the recalcitrant grass. I'm going to
try to reduce the lawn area by putting 'things' in at the edges and hoping
some casuarinas will deter it a bit as well. Beyond that, it can just
grow! ;-D


well, if it likes the bog,....!
kylie



0tterbot 04-02-2008 10:50 PM

Peach drooling
 
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
One thing that helps is the main paddock is slightly sloping. When I do
plant
in raised beds I allow the rows to point slightly down slope, not on
contour,
this means that when the rain stops the bed drains between rows and the
rows
drain downslope. So far this has saved most things.


slopes help!

drainage not the problem it might have been here because nothing is flat! it
helps a lot.

It's raining again today. This summer we have had:

Nov 194
Dec 117
Jan 144
Feb 73

That's La Nina for you.

I just need a magic bullet for powdery mildew and sooty mould. And the
car
has algae. Really.


well, i can't comment on your car (do you need to borrow some sea
creatures?) but i finally got round to trying the milk solution for powdery
mildew on the curcurbits. omg, it seems to have worked!! (i can't believe it
could be that easy). however, it's not made a dent on the powdery peas
whatsoever. i'm just completely over bloody peas & all the bloody hassle &
then in the end you get hardly any pea for your trouble anyway. as a last
resort i am trying dwarf peas so at least there's no hassle with soemthing
for them to grow up.

sorry, i've interrupted myself with a rant about peas.

it's been raining like the bejesus here as well. it won't stop. we don't
need any more rain at our house. i'm frantic about the erosion i know is
going on about the place & i'm too scared to look.

i'm sure all of this is terribly ironic in some way i can't put my finger on
exactly. whereabouts are you? (although i think the entire eastern seaboard
is awash.)
kylie



Trish Brown 05-02-2008 04:08 AM

Peach drooling
 
0tterbot wrote:

snip

i also have a tree (not a fruit tree) that some ninny planted into a car
tyre. now the tyre won't come off & can't be cut either (steel belt).
sigh!!! the trunk is as big as the hole in the tyre. we are flummoxed!


Ergh!!! Hacksaw?

I *so* love your idea with the willows and that was my first thought.
However, fancy putting willows cheek-by-jowl with town water and sewage!
Brrrrrrr!!! Doesn't bear thinking about! I figured casuarinas would be the
nearest native alternative and I do love them too.


hm, are willows a problem in that context though? i thought they only give
people the shits if they're near a watercourse & bits can break off & go
downstream & root everywhere.(?) having said that, i personally think feral
willow is 4 million times better than nude eroded banks anyway!

but of course, the "native alternative" is going to sit better with
everyone.


As I understand it, willow roots will wrap round your pipes and squeeze
them. Or, they'll infiltrate them and clog them up. Dunno if that's an
old wives' tale, but the local people are very anti-willow! I know
you're not allowed to plant one in our council district.

I love willow too, but I think it deters other native flora and
absolutely takes over riverbanks to the extent that nothing else will
grow there. If willow out-competes your normal flora, then it's stuffing
up an awful lot of habitat for fauna as well.

I've been told the reason for a lot of the parrots we're seeing in towns
lately is the lack of native tucker (including casuarinas) to eat
farther inland. While it's awful in terms of The Drought, I can't say I
mind having the parrots to gawp at! In my childhood, you threw a party
if you saw a galah on its own. Now, we have flocks of galahs and SC
cockies and corellas, oh and even lorikeets of several varieties. AND,
I, myself, personally have seen a flock of Yellow-tailed Black cockies
flying over my very house!!! Never in a million years would I have
thought I'd see that!

--
Trish {|:-} Newcastle, NSW, Australia

David Hare-Scott 05-02-2008 04:09 AM

Peach drooling
 

"0tterbot" wrote in message
...

It's raining again today. This summer we have had:

Nov 194
Dec 117
Jan 144
Feb 73

That's La Nina for you.

I just need a magic bullet for powdery mildew and sooty mould. And the
car
has algae. Really.


well, i can't comment on your car (do you need to borrow some sea
creatures?) but i finally got round to trying the milk solution for powdery
mildew on the curcurbits. omg, it seems to have worked!! (i can't believe it
could be that easy). however, it's not made a dent on the powdery peas
whatsoever. i'm just completely over bloody peas & all the bloody hassle &
then in the end you get hardly any pea for your trouble anyway. as a last
resort i am trying dwarf peas so at least there's no hassle with soemthing
for them to grow up.

sorry, i've interrupted myself with a rant about peas.


Peas are a hassle for what you get. Great big bushes and when you pick and
shell them two cups of peas. At least the bushes make good compost be
lugumes. I don't grow them in summer, I will plant mine in a week or two.


it's been raining like the bejesus here as well. it won't stop. we don't
need any more rain at our house. i'm frantic about the erosion i know is
going on about the place & i'm too scared to look.


The only erosion problem I have is the banks of one of the little creeks, I
cannot get anything to grow there to stablise it. I need some earthwork done
to flatten down high banks so stuff will grow all over not just on top. Too
wet for earthworks now.


i'm sure all of this is terribly ironic in some way i can't put my finger on
exactly. whereabouts are you? (although i think the entire eastern seaboard
is awash.)


Wards River.

David



FarmI 05-02-2008 07:23 AM

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"Terryc" wrote in message
FarmI wrote:
"0tterbot" wrote in message news:lJgpj.10637
"Trish Brown" wrote in message



i have been a negligent in my sewing activites lately :-( but i still
love spotlight!



I hate the one that you and I would have access to. There are only about
3 decent staff in the place who know anything about fabric


Yep, standard spotlight staff.

and I hate most of the fabric they have because the quality is almost
universally lousy.


SWMBO'd agrees.


I went in there to buy some japara that I'd seen a week before and of
couse they'd done a rearrangement and I had to go through 5 staff before
i found one who even knew what japara was.


Real japara?


Yes, but the unoiled one whihc one uses for feather pillows/doonas etc. I
was gobbsmacked that they actually had something I really wanted. I went
home and measured up and then went back. I should have just bought the
whole roll when I saw it and been done with it as I could have used it to
remake doonas etc till I drop off the twig.



FarmI 05-02-2008 07:29 AM

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"0tterbot" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
"0tterbot" wrote in message news:lJgpj.10637
"Trish Brown" wrote in message


i have been a negligent in my sewing activites lately :-( but i still
love spotlight!


I hate the one that you and I would have access to. There are only about
3 decent staff in the place who know anything about fabric and I hate
most of the fabric they have because the quality is almost universally
lousy.


it's entirely NOT the best one i've been to, that's for sure! however, if
_i_ know what i want, i can make it work. the staff are terrible!


Yup. I sent He who Thinks He Should be Obeyed in to buy me some cord and
plastic rings for a Roman blind I'm making. You should have seen the shit
they sent him home with and it won't be of any se at all

I went in there to buy some japara that I'd seen a week before and of
couse they'd done a rearrangement and I had to go through 5 staff before
i found one who even knew what japara was.


(i don't know what japara is... ;-)


It comes in a number of weights and can be oiled or not. It's a closely
woven fabric and you would know oiled Japara as Driz-a-bone. the one I saw
was unoiled though and it is used for doona covers and feather cushion
covers.


that is bad news (about the drainage). whenever i see those diagrams of
"how to make drainage trenches" in books, i feel very sad for anyone
reading them with a special interest. jackie french (rather
typically!!!) breezily writes that one can "plant them on mounds" if
drainage is bad.


It works for Paul D. who has the mudbrick house and the trout ponds
outside his balcony as that is how he plants his trees.


undoubtedly, he had the foresight to create miniature tablelands, rather
than tiny silly mounds! :-)


No -many silly little mounds but they are allowing him to grow his trees OK.



FarmI 05-02-2008 07:31 AM

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"Trish Brown" wrote in message


I've seen fruit trees doing well with tractor-tyre collars. I've always
thought that would be a very easy way to raise a bed for a single tree,
but sadly I have no tractor tyres!


heh. i have some.

i also have a tree (not a fruit tree) that some ninny planted into a car
tyre. now the tyre won't come off & can't be cut either (steel belt).
sigh!!! the trunk is as big as the hole in the tyre. we are flummoxed!


Angle grinder and long extension cord or a generator?




Trish Brown 05-02-2008 09:41 AM

Peach drooling
 
FarmI wrote:


Yes, but the unoiled one whihc one uses for feather pillows/doonas etc. I
was gobbsmacked that they actually had something I really wanted. I went
home and measured up and then went back. I should have just bought the
whole roll when I saw it and been done with it as I could have used it to
remake doonas etc till I drop off the twig.



'Remake doonas'? Did I hear you say 'remake doonas'?

This is something I desperately need to do. The stitching of the
channels in nearly all my doonas has deteriorated and the feathers want
redistributing evenly. Since I don't really need to do a tar-baby
impression a this stage of my life (dignified, thank you), I'm a bit
chary of emptying out the feathers when I remake. Fear, I have!

Got any hints for me? ;-D

--
Trish {|:-} Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Trish Brown 05-02-2008 10:10 AM

Peach drooling
 
FarmI wrote:

_i_ know what i want, i can make it work. the staff are terrible!


I think that's part of the job description at spotlight stores. I get
far more help from other women standing in line than I do from the
staff. And 'friendly'? Hah! More like 'fiendly'! Have you ever been to a
Home Yardage store? They're quite excellent, IMHO.

Yup. I sent He who Thinks He Should be Obeyed in to buy me some cord and
plastic rings for a Roman blind I'm making. You should have seen the shit
they sent him home with and it won't be of any use at all


Is that the pre-made Roman blind tape? I've used that and it actually
does what it's supposed to! Much easier than making the assembly from
scratch (I've done both). Or, just use the pre-made tape across the top
and use your rings down the length of the blind?

It comes in a number of weights and can be oiled or not. It's a closely
woven fabric and you would know oiled Japara as Driz-a-bone. the one I saw
was unoiled though and it is used for doona covers and feather cushion
covers.


Oo! Have you ever seen the oiled stuff for sale? My
extra-large-giant-economy-size husband needs a raincoat...

--
Trish {|:-} Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Harold 05-02-2008 12:53 PM

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"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...


big snip

And the car has algae. Really.


I have moss growing on my (old: 1985-model) car. On the window rubbers.
Any suggestions for removing it that won't take the duco off?

Harold


David




George W. Frost 05-02-2008 09:12 PM

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"Harold" Harold.and.a.bit.more@clotmail wrote in message
...

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...


big snip

And the car has algae. Really.


I have moss growing on my (old: 1985-model) car. On the window rubbers.
Any suggestions for removing it that won't take the duco off?

Harold


David



eucalyptus oil



David Hare-Scott 06-02-2008 02:02 AM

Peach drooling
 

"Harold" Harold.and.a.bit.more@clotmail wrote in message
...

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...


big snip

And the car has algae. Really.


I have moss growing on my (old: 1985-model) car. On the window rubbers.
Any suggestions for removing it that won't take the duco off?

Harold


Bleach, detergent and hot water, and a bristle brush, hose clean.

David



FarmI 06-02-2008 02:38 AM

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"Trish Brown" wrote in message
FarmI wrote:


Yes, but the unoiled one whihc one uses for feather pillows/doonas etc.
I was gobbsmacked that they actually had something I really wanted. I
went home and measured up and then went back. I should have just bought
the whole roll when I saw it and been done with it as I could have used
it to remake doonas etc till I drop off the twig.


'Remake doonas'? Did I hear you say 'remake doonas'?

This is something I desperately need to do. The stitching of the channels
in nearly all my doonas has deteriorated and the feathers want
redistributing evenly. Since I don't really need to do a tar-baby
impression a this stage of my life (dignified, thank you), I'm a bit chary
of emptying out the feathers when I remake. Fear, I have!

Got any hints for me? ;-D


The easiest way would be to take them to one of the businesses which remake
them but given that you live in such a warm climate they might be a bit
rarer than they are round here (which is a cold climate area).

I have a huge sun room attached to my house and this has the requirements
for doing doonas/cushions ie can be closed completely so no draughts, has
hard surfaces so can be defeathered easily if there are any flying feathers.
The other thing I would mention is a spray bottle so that you can mist
recalcitrant feathers and stuff them slightly damp into whatever you're
stuffing.

I wash all my feather doonas in the bathtub as I don't think dry cleaning
actually "cleans" anything and I do this is hot, high summer so don't be
wary of wetting the feathers. I line dry them over 2 or more wires till I
can't feel any wet spots but if I roll the feathers around in the doona, it
will produce damp spots.

I then stuff them in my clothes dryer with half a dozen tennis balls (this
makes a shocking noise but redistributes and fluffs the feathers up) and I
stay near it as the dryer is so stuffed when I put in my big deep winter
queen doona that it really is a fire hazard.

I give it 5-10 minute bursts (and I have a cooking timer which has a clip on
it and I attach this to myself so that when it goes off I can't forget what
I'm up to) and then pull it out, turn it a bit and rest it and then stuff it
in again for another 5-10 mins.

You can pull out handfuls of feathers and restuff them into the new case
then use a vaccum cleaner with a disposible bag to get out the feathers/down
that gets stuck in corners etc. Put the bag into the new casing and rip it
open inside the new casing. Use pegs or bulldog clips and fold off the end
of each channel as you complete it. Handd tack it before you drag it to the
sewing machine. Use flat felled or other forms of doubled seams.

If you don't have a room like my sun room, then do it outside ona totally
still day and do it slowly, deliberartely and cautiously, then clean up
:-)).



FarmI 06-02-2008 02:43 AM

Peach drooling
 
"Trish Brown" wrote in message
...
FarmI wrote:

_i_ know what i want, i can make it work. the staff are terrible!


I think that's part of the job description at spotlight stores. I get far
more help from other women standing in line than I do from the staff. And
'friendly'? Hah! More like 'fiendly'! Have you ever been to a Home Yardage
store? They're quite excellent, IMHO.


I din't write that comment it was Otterbot but I agree completely. Yes, I
used to love Home Yardage, but the only one in this area closed years ago.

Yup. I sent He who Thinks He Should be Obeyed in to buy me some cord and
plastic rings for a Roman blind I'm making. You should have seen the
shit they sent him home with and it won't be of any use at all


Is that the pre-made Roman blind tape? I've used that and it actually does
what it's supposed to! Much easier than making the assembly from scratch
(I've done both). Or, just use the pre-made tape across the top and use
your rings down the length of the blind?


No it was the rings (too big not the nice little ones) and the tape (not the
fine sort but big thick stuff). Absolutely clueless staff who must have not
read any of Spotlights own publications which they sell to customers who
make Roman blinds.

It comes in a number of weights and can be oiled or not. It's a closely
woven fabric and you would know oiled Japara as Driz-a-bone. the one I
saw was unoiled though and it is used for doona covers and feather
cushion covers.


Oo! Have you ever seen the oiled stuff for sale? My
extra-large-giant-economy-size husband needs a raincoat...


No, but there was a company who used to sell it - the Victorian high country
IIRC. I'll see if I can find the details, but you should see my sewing
room! Oh well, it needs a good cleaning up.




Trish Brown 06-02-2008 02:11 PM

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FarmI wrote:
"Trish Brown" wrote in message
FarmI wrote:

Yes, but the unoiled one whihc one uses for feather pillows/doonas etc.
I was gobbsmacked that they actually had something I really wanted. I
went home and measured up and then went back. I should have just bought
the whole roll when I saw it and been done with it as I could have used
it to remake doonas etc till I drop off the twig.

'Remake doonas'? Did I hear you say 'remake doonas'?

This is something I desperately need to do. The stitching of the channels
in nearly all my doonas has deteriorated and the feathers want
redistributing evenly. Since I don't really need to do a tar-baby
impression a this stage of my life (dignified, thank you), I'm a bit chary
of emptying out the feathers when I remake. Fear, I have!

Got any hints for me? ;-D


The easiest way would be to take them to one of the businesses which remake
them but given that you live in such a warm climate they might be a bit
rarer than they are round here (which is a cold climate area).

I have a huge sun room attached to my house and this has the requirements
for doing doonas/cushions ie can be closed completely so no draughts, has
hard surfaces so can be defeathered easily if there are any flying feathers.
The other thing I would mention is a spray bottle so that you can mist
recalcitrant feathers and stuff them slightly damp into whatever you're
stuffing.

I wash all my feather doonas in the bathtub as I don't think dry cleaning
actually "cleans" anything and I do this is hot, high summer so don't be
wary of wetting the feathers. I line dry them over 2 or more wires till I
can't feel any wet spots but if I roll the feathers around in the doona, it
will produce damp spots.

I then stuff them in my clothes dryer with half a dozen tennis balls (this
makes a shocking noise but redistributes and fluffs the feathers up) and I
stay near it as the dryer is so stuffed when I put in my big deep winter
queen doona that it really is a fire hazard.

I give it 5-10 minute bursts (and I have a cooking timer which has a clip on
it and I attach this to myself so that when it goes off I can't forget what
I'm up to) and then pull it out, turn it a bit and rest it and then stuff it
in again for another 5-10 mins.

You can pull out handfuls of feathers and restuff them into the new case
then use a vaccum cleaner with a disposible bag to get out the feathers/down
that gets stuck in corners etc. Put the bag into the new casing and rip it
open inside the new casing. Use pegs or bulldog clips and fold off the end
of each channel as you complete it. Handd tack it before you drag it to the
sewing machine. Use flat felled or other forms of doubled seams.

If you don't have a room like my sun room, then do it outside ona totally
still day and do it slowly, deliberartely and cautiously, then clean up
:-)).


Gee, thanks for that Farm1. Lots of great tips and I did love the 'then
clean up' at the end! LOL!

--
Trish {|:-} Newcastle, NSW, Australia

FarmI 07-02-2008 08:28 AM

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"Trish Brown" wrote in message
FarmI wrote:


(snip)
If you don't have a room like my sun room, then do it outside ona totally
still day and do it slowly, deliberartely and cautiously, then clean up
:-)).

Gee, thanks for that Farm1. Lots of great tips and I did love the 'then
clean up' at the end! LOL!


Indeed. But housewifes actually did manage to stuff pillows and eiderdowns
etc, in the past so we must be able to do it today. :-)) A Dyson Vacuum
cleaner would be a good machine to have to do this, but I don't have one of
them.



Trish Brown 07-02-2008 09:16 AM

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FarmI wrote:

Indeed. But housewifes actually did manage to stuff pillows and eiderdowns
etc, in the past so we must be able to do it today. :-)) A Dyson Vacuum
cleaner would be a good machine to have to do this, but I don't have one of
them.



LOL! Yeah, but they were superpersons!

I wouldn't mind one of those Dyson jobbies either, but I think I'd have
to sell me firstborn to afford one. I need the firstborn more, I think. ;-

--
Trish {|:-} Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Chookie 10-02-2008 01:59 AM

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In article ,
"0tterbot" wrote:

well, i can't comment on your car (do you need to borrow some sea
creatures?) but i finally got round to trying the milk solution for powdery
mildew on the curcurbits. omg, it seems to have worked!! (i can't believe it
could be that easy). however, it's not made a dent on the powdery peas
whatsoever. i'm just completely over bloody peas & all the bloody hassle &
then in the end you get hardly any pea for your trouble anyway. as a last
resort i am trying dwarf peas so at least there's no hassle with soemthing
for them to grow up.

sorry, i've interrupted myself with a rant about peas.


It's bit early for peas (here, at least). I've just planted a dwarf variety
but am not sure if they will come up, as it's been so wet.

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

http://chookiesbackyard.blogspot.com/

Chookie 10-02-2008 02:02 AM

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In article ,
Trish Brown wrote:

'Remake doonas'? Did I hear you say 'remake doonas'?

This is something I desperately need to do. The stitching of the
channels in nearly all my doonas has deteriorated and the feathers want
redistributing evenly. Since I don't really need to do a tar-baby
impression a this stage of my life (dignified, thank you), I'm a bit
chary of emptying out the feathers when I remake. Fear, I have!

Got any hints for me? ;-D


the only sensible ones I haave heard were in an LM Montgomery book. Anne is
refilling a feather-bed and it was done on a still day in a quiet place
wearing old clothes and with her hair covered.

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

http://chookiesbackyard.blogspot.com/

0tterbot 10-02-2008 09:53 PM

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"Chookie" wrote in message
news:ehrebeniuk-9AEEF3.12594210022008@news...
In article ,
"0tterbot" wrote:

well, i can't comment on your car (do you need to borrow some sea
creatures?) but i finally got round to trying the milk solution for
powdery
mildew on the curcurbits. omg, it seems to have worked!! (i can't believe
it
could be that easy). however, it's not made a dent on the powdery peas
whatsoever. i'm just completely over bloody peas & all the bloody hassle
&
then in the end you get hardly any pea for your trouble anyway. as a last
resort i am trying dwarf peas so at least there's no hassle with
soemthing
for them to grow up.

sorry, i've interrupted myself with a rant about peas.


It's bit early for peas (here, at least). I've just planted a dwarf
variety


so did i, so enraged am i about the whole pea issue! (my thinking is that
with dwarfs, one irritating element of the whole issue is nonexistent).
previously i had been putting in greenfeast, which are ok for summer (they
certainly were for me, anyway, except for the "too much trouble for too few
peas" issue).

but am not sure if they will come up, as it's been so wet.


yes, exactly. i couldn't get sugar snaps coming up during the hot weather,
but that seems to have passed now ::-) i don't find sugar snaps to be
troublesome though - either they come up or they don't, either way it's no
trouble.
kylie


--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

http://chookiesbackyard.blogspot.com/




0tterbot 10-02-2008 09:56 PM

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"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
The only erosion problem I have is the banks of one of the little creeks,
I
cannot get anything to grow there to stablise it. I need some earthwork
done
to flatten down high banks so stuff will grow all over not just on top.
Too
wet for earthworks now.


our worst erosion gully is just shocking, & when we came here it wasn't even
on our property - but it's travelled, so now it is. being in a difficult
location, we haven't decided exactly what to do. it needs to be filled
though - it's not a creek (or at any rate, it _wasn't_ ;-) we did a bit of
discreet trespassing to look at the worst of it. omg..!

the other, we are filling up with branches, newspaper, etc etc. mainly we
just don't want the problem to become worse anywhere else.

i'm sure all of this is terribly ironic in some way i can't put my finger
on
exactly. whereabouts are you? (although i think the entire eastern
seaboard
is awash.)


Wards River.


never heard of it! :-)
kylie



0tterbot 10-02-2008 09:59 PM

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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...

Yup. I sent He who Thinks He Should be Obeyed in to buy me some cord and
plastic rings for a Roman blind I'm making. You should have seen the shit
they sent him home with and it won't be of any se at all


(i'd probably have been suspicious of that happening, & gone myself!)

I went in there to buy some japara that I'd seen a week before and of
couse they'd done a rearrangement and I had to go through 5 staff before
i found one who even knew what japara was.


(i don't know what japara is... ;-)


It comes in a number of weights and can be oiled or not. It's a closely
woven fabric and you would know oiled Japara as Driz-a-bone. the one I
saw was unoiled though and it is used for doona covers and feather cushion
covers.


learn something new every day!


It works for Paul D. who has the mudbrick house and the trout ponds
outside his balcony as that is how he plants his trees.


undoubtedly, he had the foresight to create miniature tablelands, rather
than tiny silly mounds! :-)


No -many silly little mounds but they are allowing him to grow his trees
OK.


give me a few years & i might withdraw the silly mounds opinion. not yet
though!!!! of course, i came across our mounds when it was as dry as
anything & because of them couldn't seem to get any water going onto the
actual trees. now it's wet, things are different. argh!
kylie




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