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gardenlen wrote:

g'day rod,

yes our gov' have not a lot of say under the rules of the world gov'

Yes, but that allows us to force other signatory to accept out exports too.

the qld banana issue was after disease caused by greedy banana farmers up
north who bought planting material in under the radar much like the citrus issue
out emerald way again farmers of non aussie origin bought in grafting material
under the radar and decimated the citrus industry out that way.

Yep.

now all citrus has to be tested before it can be sold a
cost borne by all growers then passed onto the public.

And with the much older fruit fly problem too.

still can't see why bananas from other states can't come
into qld if a couple farms get affected by cyclones, also
there is no history of disease spreading from the backyard
clump of lady finger bananas into commercial crops often
far removed from the backyard.

Yes, but they dont need to go that route, they can just use whats been flattened.

gardeners were never allowed to grow cavendish

Only in Qld.

as they were a commercila crop and prone to bunchy top, again one
could argue about how an afected plant in a brisbane garden could cause
any issue to bananas farms further up the coast?? control for controls sake.

Yeah, real overkill.

so after cyclone larry which did not decimate all of qld's
banana crops, NZ was buying banana's for under $2 a
kilo when they were on teh shelf for anywhere up to $14
a kilo' here in qld.

I never paid anything like that and bought some yesterday for $2 too.

the shops mad a killing telling shoppers the higher prices would
help the farmers?? help teh stupidmarkets botttom line is all.

Dunno, its not too clear what the growest were getting.

I make lemon and lime marmalade, usually a year's supply at a time,
and so it makes sense to buy the limes when they are cheap, the
price can vary dramatically from $3 to $15 in Woolys. I'd like to see
that growers are getting but cant find any listing of that online.

The best you get form the sydney markets is a percentage increase/decrease.

if agrdeners want bananas in their garden they now have to or are
supposed to buy certified plants, more cost. all because of what some
banana farmer did, no doubt they will bring some control onto citrus,
eithe ban them in gardens or make gardeners get their fruit tested.

The most the locals are doing is offering free tree removal
and a free replacement seedling. Thats for fruit fly tho.

We've always been a quantine are for half a century or more.

maybe they'll bring the border gate back between qld and
the south just like they used to have back in the 50's or so.

Ours are voluntary, no one mans them. presumably many ignore that.

on Thu, 3 Feb 2011 20:51:00 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

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terryc wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Not a chance when labor may well be flushed down the tubes in the election.

what is your hit rate on this little oft repeated line?

Very good. Federally they came within a wisker.

In Victoria they were flushed where they belong.

They will in NSW too, they'll be decimated, you watch.

They are completely irrelevant, they get no say on the labelling laws.

and their donatins to political parties are completely irrelevant.

Corse they are when its the WTO that forced that removal of the ban.

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terryc wrote
gardenlen wrote

yes our gov' have not a lot of say under the rules of the world gov'

They knew that when they signed up, but since very few have any real world practical skills they had not a clue about
the ramifications,

They realised that it helps out exports much more than we have an
import problem, even if you're so stupid you havent even noticed.

like making Australia a complete cess pit like the rest of the world.

You wouldnt know what a real cesspit was if someone tossed you in one, again.

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gardenlen wrote

yes, but i think the standard of our leaders for want of a better word
is that they care only about their ego's and how much time thay can
get in front of the camera's other than thinking what is best for
australia and it's people.

Its much more about the advantages outweighing the downsides,
particularly with out exports.

maybe in time we may find out what other things have been "signed" way.

There arent any.

a dumping ground down under.

Nope, and nothing like it either.

On Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:24:30 +1100, terryc
wrote:

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Rod Speed wrote:
terryc wrote

They will in NSW too, they'll be decimated, you watch.

That is hardly profitic.

They are completely irrelevant, they get no say on the labelling laws.

and their donatins to political parties are completely irrelevant.

Corse they are when its the WTO that forced that removal of the ban.

Oh dear, such shallow thinking. Blind freddy could see that that was
going to happen when they signed up, but we still have people that
believe that AQIS has teeth.

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Rod Speed wrote:
terryc wrote
gardenlen wrote

yes our gov' have not a lot of say under the rules of the world gov'

They knew that when they signed up, but since very few have any real world practical skills they had not a clue about
the ramifications,

They realised that it helps out exports much more than we have an
import problem, even if you're so stupid you havent even noticed.

That was the theory, but it has done bugger all for exports and allowed
our smaller industries to be driven almost to death.


like making Australia a complete cess pit like the rest of the world.

You wouldnt know what a real cesspit was if someone tossed you in one, again.

I'll bow to your superior experience.

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Rod Speed wrote:
gardenlen wrote:

g'day rod,

yes our gov' have not a lot of say under the rules of the world gov'

Yes, but that allows us to force other signatory to accept out exports too.

Such as the USA and Japan?

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terryc wrote:
David Hare-Scott wrote:

You forgot "and your mother wears army boots"

Educate me as I don't see how mum's footwear is relevant.
Making a spelling mistake whilst critiscising someone's education is
traditional

It is an old schoolyard insult (you could have googled it for many hits)
that has little meaning. It is just as relevant as calling people ignorant
and illiterate, that is not at all.

To spell it out: when people in dispute run out of substance they sometimes
substitute content with meaningless insults. This is especially true on
usenet. You may imagine that it shows your fibre, that you are not going to
cave in to anyone and you aren't finished yet, it doesn't. It just shows
you have run out of ideas.

D

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David Hare-Scott wrote:

It is an old schoolyard insult (you could have googled it for many hits)
Does google still work?

that has little meaning. It is just as relevant as calling people
ignorant and illiterate, that is not at all.

If people spend their life not thinking, then that is their decision to
remain ignorant. The information is there for consideration of those
that think.

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terryc wrote:
Rod Speed wrote
terryc wrote

They will in NSW too, they'll be decimated, you watch.

That is hardly profitic.

Pity about the others that you carefully deleted from the quoting.

They are completely irrelevant, they get no say on the labelling laws.

and their donatins to political parties are completely irrelevant.

Corse they are when its the WTO that forced that removal of the ban.

Oh dear, such shallow thinking.

You never ever could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Blind freddy could see that that was going to happen when they signed up, but we still have people that believe that
AQIS has teeth.

It still does, most obviously with mad cow, foot and mouth, bird flu etc etc etc.

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terryc wrote
Rod Speed wrote
terryc wrote
gardenlen wrote

yes our gov' have not a lot of say under the rules of the world gov'

They knew that when they signed up, but since very few have any
real world practical skills they had not a clue about the ramifications,

They realised that it helps out exports much more than we have an
import problem, even if you're so stupid you havent even noticed.

That was the theory, but it has done bugger all for exports and
allowed our smaller industries to be driven almost to death.

Thats a pig ignorant lie. The only smaller industries that have gone to the wall
are those that cant possibly compete against vastly cheaper asian labor costs.

like making Australia a complete cess pit like the rest of the world.

You wouldnt know what a real cesspit was if someone tossed you in one, again.

I'll bow to your superior experience.

Any 2 year old could leave that for dead. Get one to help you before posting
again, if anyone is actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one.

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terryc wrote
Rod Speed wrote
gardenlen wrote

yes our gov' have not a lot of say under the rules of the world gov'

Yes, but that allows us to force other signatory to accept out exports too.

Such as the USA and Japan?

Yep, most obvoiusly with meat and wine with the US and with rice and wine and meat etc etc etc with Japan.

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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
terryc wrote
Rod Speed wrote
gardenlen wrote

yes our gov' have not a lot of say under the rules of the world gov'

Yes, but that allows us to force other signatory to accept out exports
too.

Such as the USA and Japan?

Yep, most obvoiusly with meat and wine with the US and with rice and wine
and meat etc etc etc with Japan.

The main reason we have rice exports to Japan is that we grow rice they
like, the USA does not, eos!!!!!!

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SG1 wrote
Rod Speed wrote
terryc wrote
Rod Speed wrote
gardenlen wrote

yes our gov' have not a lot of say under the rules of the world gov'

Yes, but that allows us to force other signatory to accept out exports too.

Such as the USA and Japan?

Yep, most obvoiusly with meat and wine with the US and with rice and wine and meat etc etc etc with Japan.

The main reason we have rice exports to Japan is that we grow rice they like, the USA does not,

Japan refused to allow ANY rice imports at all for
DECADES, until the WTO forced them to change
that policy. And they STILL prefer their own rice too.

eos!!!!!!

Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasyland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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"terryc" wrote in message
...
David Hare-Scott wrote:

It is an old schoolyard insult (you could have googled it for many hits)
Does google still work?

that has little meaning. It is just as relevant as calling people
ignorant and illiterate, that is not at all.

If people spend their life not thinking, then that is their decision to
remain ignorant. The information is there for consideration of those that
think.

How do you explain the fact that in this discussion the 'thinking' has
resulted in nothing except conspiracy theory about AQIS being put forward?
No cites, just winks and nods and claims about people who supposedly 'think'
but who can't provide any proof when asked.

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FarmI wrote:

How do you explain the fact that in this discussion the 'thinking' has
resulted in nothing except conspiracy theory

The only one talkng about conspiracy theories is you. I hope you are
enjoying yourself. Feel free to continue.

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FarmI wrote
terryc wrote
David Hare-Scott wrote

It is an old schoolyard insult (you could have googled it for many
hits) Does google still work?

that has little meaning. It is just as relevant as calling people
ignorant and illiterate, that is not at all.

If people spend their life not thinking, then that is their decision
to remain ignorant. The information is there for consideration of
those that think.

How do you explain the fact that in this discussion the 'thinking' has resulted in nothing except conspiracy theory
about AQIS being put forward?

Thats a lie.

No cites, just winks and nods and claims about people who
supposedly 'think' but who can't provide any proof when asked.

Another lie. Anyone with even half a clue can check the WTO involvement with apple imports.

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"terryc" wrote in message
...
FarmI wrote:

How do you explain the fact that in this discussion the 'thinking' has
resulted in nothing except conspiracy theory

The only one talkng about conspiracy theories is you.

What you should have said if you had any respect for accuray, is that the
only two people who could indetify conspiracy theory (as opposed to
propounding it) are David and myself.

I hope you are
enjoying yourself. Feel free to continue.

I don't need your permission to post or to identify conspiracy theory from
the paranoid when I see it.