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OT ... Burning Wood - Open Fireplace
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/b...s?OpenDocument
Anyone has any thoughts on the problems associated with open fireplaces? I'm using my open fireplace every Friday when I have friends over for a late evening party. I found that if I cut the redgum wood to a (human's) arm length and width, the fire burns quite nicely and doesn't have any smoke problems. Some of my friends suffer from asthma but say they love my fireplace and don't suffer from any side-effects afterwards. But the government site claims that there are no safe level of wood smoke; .... then again this is the same government that's operating a nuclear reactor at Lucas Heights... just kidding there :) Any comments on open fireplaces? -- _______________________ I apologize if you are seeing this same message posted here a dozen times. My ISP - Bigpond.net.au - owned by the national carrier, Telstra, occassionally stuffs up and sends multiple copies of the same message. I don't know why! I did NOT repeatedly press the "send" button. I have complained to the admin and they say they are working on it. |
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out thru the flue. One of the most inefficient ways of keeping warm.
Keep my place warm and cosy all winter long with my stove. Heats my hot water as well! 60 gallons is enough for even my long showers, and if I crank up the fire with a few good logs, I can shower for a hour. With 160 acres of trees, I'm never short of a few old dead sticks. Beats the hell out of a $600.00 power bill for a quarter, even if I have to chop a bit. Peter |
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Your asthma-suffering friends will not be affected by the smoke while they are sitting in front of the fire or even just being in the room because - and this is why open fireplaces are such a damn waste of resources and are major polluters - all the air in the room is sucked out thru the flue! The smoke ends up OUTSIDE the house. The open fire also burns the oxygen in the room (and sucks it out outside) so you need a way to replenish the burnt oxygen. What heat you feel sitting in front of the fire is only radiant heat, and this is only a small fraction of the total heat which is just blown out thru the flue. One of the most inefficient ways of keeping warm. My parents have an older place with an OFP and there's not much heat that is lost thru the flue. 4-5 split chunks of redgum will heat the lounge / meals / kitchen ( it's a large open area ) for several hours. The more modern stove types are even better. 4-5 chunks burn for hours and would actually heat the room to an uncomfortable level. Cheaper & arguably more efficient than burning non-renewable gas... |
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wrote: http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/b...s?OpenDocument Anyone has any thoughts on the problems associated with open fireplaces? Hi The main adverse criticsm is that an open fire place is a very inefficient way of heating a room At one time we had an open fireplace and we had to put an electric heat source at the back of the room to keep our backs warm. We decided to instal a stove, and chose a Jotul 118, which is just a cast iron box about fifteen inches by a yard. We thought we should miss the sight of the flames and agonised for nearly two years about whether to put it where the open fireplace was or some place else. We eventually put it somewhere else and put the sofa across the old fireplace, and never moved it until 20 years later when we rebuilt the house. Didn't mis the sight of the fire at all. I believe, Unfortunately I believe the 118 has gone out of production. Barrie |
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:58:07 GMT, "
m wrote: Anyone has any thoughts on the problems associated with open fireplaces? I'm using my open fireplace every Friday when I have friends over for a late evening party. I found that if I cut the redgum wood to a (human's) arm length and width, the fire burns quite nicely and doesn't have any smoke problems. Some of my friends suffer from asthma but say they love my fireplace and don't suffer from any side-effects afterwards. But the government site claims that there are no safe level of wood smoke; ... then again this is the same government that's operating a nuclear reactor at Lucas Heights... just kidding there :) Any comments on open fireplaces? Open fireplaces should (and will eventually) be banned. They waste resources and are responsible for many cases of asthma. It is far better for both people and the environment to use electricity or gas. Check with your local hospital and you will see that admissions for asthma double in the cooler periods due to the noxious emissions of open fireplaces. |
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Anyone has any thoughts on the problems associated with open fireplaces? The main adverse criticsm is that an open fire place is a very inefficient way of heating a room Only inefficient if you don't have enough wood to burn ! most rural and semi rural properties have plenty close by. I am also getting very tired of The Wowser brigade telling us all what we can, and can not do without feeling guilty. Throw another log on the fire, enjoy yourself, stuff the Wowsers. |
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"Mylorace" wrote in message ... wrote: Anyone has any thoughts on the problems associated with open fireplaces? The main adverse criticsm is that an open fire place is a very inefficient way of heating a room Only inefficient if you don't have enough wood to burn ! most rural and semi rural properties have plenty close by. I am also getting very tired of The Wowser brigade telling us all what we can, and can not do without feeling guilty. Throw another log on the fire, enjoy yourself, stuff the Wowsers. Yes, what the hell, stuff 'em, burn away, it doesn't matter to *ME* ...... The attitude that if a resource is readily available and cheap, even apparently limitless, then it should be used up without thought of the consequences is responsible for much of the ecological damage that we cause to the Earth. This damage does have consequences and will continue to have consequences down the years for our children and their children, although not necessarily to the one who caused it. I would say that you need more guilt not less. David |
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Bushy wrote:
out thru the flue. One of the most inefficient ways of keeping warm. Keep my place warm and cosy all winter long with my stove. Heats my hot water as well! 60 gallons is enough for even my long showers, and if I crank up the fire with a few good logs, I can shower for a hour. With 160 acres of trees, I'm never short of a few old dead sticks. Beats the hell out of a $600.00 power bill for a quarter, even if I have to chop a bit. Peter The original poster was talking about an OPEN FIREPLACE not a stove as you are talking about. -- "I'd rather be a has-been than a never-been-at-all." |
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Is it a good use of wood to just put it into land-fill? That where it
goes in the city and suburbs? You can't just leave old fences and broken tree branches around here and say that it is part of the ecosystem. Don't mean to sound facetious. I like me fire and I like having something to do with all the wood that comes down in my yard (and my friends yards) Robyn. Open fireplaces should (and will eventually) be banned. They waste resources and are responsible for many cases of asthma. It is far better for both people and the environment to use electricity or gas. Check with your local hospital and you will see that admissions for asthma double in the cooler periods due to the noxious emissions of open fireplaces. |
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Some in this thread are discussing open vs slow combustion and others wood
vs some other non renewable energy. firstly, slow combustion is by far the better system and secondly, it's far better to burn wood that can regrow than oil, gas, or electricity produced from same. -- Robert B* II |
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1. a slow combustion heater or stove is NOT an open fire
2. a correctly burning SC fire does not create smoke and in any case the flue is required by most laws to be clear of buildings to allow the wind to clear any smoke. 3. As for asthma, it appears to be the product of a weaker generation, possibly linked to poor diet (too many additives) on their parents part and should not be part of any sensible discussion by normal healthy persons. 4. The human race evolved out of a burning environment and seems to have survived quite well. 5. Acrid or distasteful smoke is from burning other than wood products like plastics and treated timber, and this could be remedied on a local level with education, by-laws, and perhaps a "dob-in-a-stinker" campaign where offenders are identified and the contents of the fire analysed and the home owner fined. -- Robert B* II "rob" wrote in message ... | Some in this thread are discussing open vs slow combustion and others wood | vs some other non renewable energy. | | firstly, slow combustion is by far the better system and | secondly, it's far better to burn wood that can regrow than oil, gas, or | electricity produced from same. | | -- | Robert B* II | | |
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Robert B* II
3. As for asthma, it appears to be the product of a weaker generation, possibly linked to poor diet (too many additives) on their parents part and should not be part of any sensible discussion by normal healthy persons. 4. The human race evolved out of a burning environment and seems to have survived quite well. At last some sense on the matter, can you believe that the Dope's and Basket Weavers who run the council up here (Blue Mountains) NSW are actually offering a cash back on old SC stoves, to replace wuth electricity or gas. These are the same people who have banned circuses in the area as it is demeaning to animals, no wonder there kiddies suffer from asthma, they are most likely vegeterians as well, if, as you say, the kids are fed properly and given healthy entertainment around animals, then there would be a lot less asthma. |
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"rob" wrote in message ... ...snip.. 3. As for asthma, it appears to be the product of a weaker generation, possibly linked to poor diet (too many additives) on their parents part and should not be part of any sensible discussion by normal healthy persons. 4. The human race evolved out of a burning environment and seems to have survived quite well. ....snip... -- Robert B* II "rob" wrote in message Do you have any evidence or supporting documentation of these two points? If it is just your opinion you are of course entitled to express it but I am more interested in facts, figures and the opinions of experts in the field(s) if there are any. David |
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"rob" wrote in message
Do you have any evidence or supporting documentation of these two points? Er...... Rob are you a slow learner ? |
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