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gl 12-07-2003 04:20 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
There were a couple of interesting suggestions for possum deterrents - so
I'm hoping someone has a good deterrent for cats (sans shotgun!)
Recently it seems that all the neighbourhood cats have decided that our
mulch/garden beds are the worlds biggest litter tray. Apart from being yuck,
they dig up a lot of my smaller plants, and my dogs have a bit too much fun
playing in the cat poo.... (ewww). Pity they don't keep the cats out of the
garden.
I've tried citronella based repellants (crystals etc) but haven't found them
very effective. Any other good suggestions?!



Jock 12-07-2003 11:20 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
gotta be careful, there are some hypnotised feline supporters here.....
1. Get a trap from the local pound, trap the cat and take it to the pound
for a jab. Tell them it scratched your kiddies and you no longer want it.
2. next option is find the cat, catch it and tie a note to it's collar
explaining it is going to have it's neck screwed the next time it strays
into your yard and send it home.
3. next option is to give it aspirin in milk then when it has expired, put
it out on the road and it will look to be roadkill.
4. Get a supersoaker and fill it with ammonia. Spray just under the cat's
tail, yep, that's right, and the cat's off and unlikely to return.
Maybe these actions are outside the options you would like to explore but I
believe and *I have heard* they can result in less visits to your yard by
cats.
Jock

"gl" wrote in message
...
There were a couple of interesting suggestions for possum deterrents - so
I'm hoping someone has a good deterrent for cats (sans shotgun!)
Recently it seems that all the neighbourhood cats have decided that our
mulch/garden beds are the worlds biggest litter tray. Apart from being

yuck,
they dig up a lot of my smaller plants, and my dogs have a bit too much

fun
playing in the cat poo.... (ewww). Pity they don't keep the cats out of

the
garden.
I've tried citronella based repellants (crystals etc) but haven't found

them
very effective. Any other good suggestions?!





JWSM 13-07-2003 03:32 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
Harmony in the urban environment is always preferred.

A garden hose works wonders, as does a strip of chicken wire laid under
your mulch.

There is no point getting worked up over it, just try a new tact. Getting
in a huff cause you can't control the cat's actions is more your problem
than the animal's.



gl 13-07-2003 12:44 PM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
I have to give you points for inventiveness!! As tempting as your
suggestions are, I think I'd better stick with JWSM's good suggestion of
chicken wire under the mulch.

But "*I have heard* they can result in less visits to your yard by cats" -
HAHA!
Have you honestly tried the supersoaker/ammonia trick? *shakes head* Mind
you, the local native bird population would love me forever if I tried some
of these tips...


"Jock" wrote in message
...
gotta be careful, there are some hypnotised feline supporters here.....
1. Get a trap from the local pound, trap the cat and take it to the pound
for a jab. Tell them it scratched your kiddies and you no longer want it.
2. next option is find the cat, catch it and tie a note to it's collar
explaining it is going to have it's neck screwed the next time it strays
into your yard and send it home.
3. next option is to give it aspirin in milk then when it has expired, put
it out on the road and it will look to be roadkill.
4. Get a supersoaker and fill it with ammonia. Spray just under the cat's
tail, yep, that's right, and the cat's off and unlikely to return.
Maybe these actions are outside the options you would like to explore but

I
believe and *I have heard* they can result in less visits to your yard by
cats.
Jock

"gl" wrote in message
...
There were a couple of interesting suggestions for possum deterrents -

so
I'm hoping someone has a good deterrent for cats (sans shotgun!)
Recently it seems that all the neighbourhood cats have decided that our
mulch/garden beds are the worlds biggest litter tray. Apart from being

yuck,
they dig up a lot of my smaller plants, and my dogs have a bit too much

fun
playing in the cat poo.... (ewww). Pity they don't keep the cats out of

the
garden.
I've tried citronella based repellants (crystals etc) but haven't found

them
very effective. Any other good suggestions?!







SG1 15-07-2003 12:35 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
I have found a mixture of mince beef and ground snail bait very effextive
for STOPPING visits. Any cat lover can ask for the recipe free.

gl wrote in message
...
There were a couple of interesting suggestions for possum deterrents - so
I'm hoping someone has a good deterrent for cats (sans shotgun!)
Recently it seems that all the neighbourhood cats have decided that our
mulch/garden beds are the worlds biggest litter tray. Apart from being

yuck,
they dig up a lot of my smaller plants, and my dogs have a bit too much

fun
playing in the cat poo.... (ewww). Pity they don't keep the cats out of

the
garden.
I've tried citronella based repellants (crystals etc) but haven't found

them
very effective. Any other good suggestions?!





Adam 16-07-2003 03:05 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
"gl" wrote in message ...
There were a couple of interesting suggestions for possum deterrents - so
I'm hoping someone has a good deterrent for cats (sans shotgun!)
Recently it seems that all the neighbourhood cats have decided that our
mulch/garden beds are the worlds biggest litter tray. Apart from being yuck,
they dig up a lot of my smaller plants, and my dogs have a bit too much fun
playing in the cat poo.... (ewww). Pity they don't keep the cats out of the
garden.
I've tried citronella based repellants (crystals etc) but haven't found them
very effective. Any other good suggestions?!


You can hire / buy cages to catch the annoying cats with.
Contact your local council for details. Don't expect any help from
them other than a contact number though - ours won't even pick the cat
up to take to the pound.
My neighbour & I have had 4 cats inflicted on us by other houses in
the area. We were both fed up with cat crap all over our yards, so we
split the cost of the cage between us.
This way, the moron cat owners have to pay about $150 to get the
animal back, and we don't have to resort to the more traditional (
lethal ) methods of cat disposal. I'll keep catching 'em as long as
they keep sending 'em.

(Except for one very frequent offender that just won't go in the cage.
One of my friends thought we owned a cat - it's in our fron yard so
often.)

rapdor 16-07-2003 07:08 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
Hi folks, Does anyone know what the legal position is if you are
discovered killing the neighborhood cats? I have a neighbor who allows her
cats to breed beyond endurance--my wife counted fourteen of the buggers one
morning. So we are seriously thinking of the milk/aspirin solution to
overpopulation. But what if I get caught?



rapdor 18-07-2003 12:02 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 

I have heard that "the aspirin solution" is very painful to the cat.
Whilst I have no time for cats in my yard, if I have to use a more
final solution I prefer something quicker and less painful for the
animal.


Well I certainly dont want to torture them, so will abandon that approach.

I guess its back to "live and let live".



Sally 18-07-2003 12:12 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
Whilst rampantly masturbating, on Sat, 12 Jul 2003
13:13:33 +1000, "gl"
wrote:


I've tried citronella based repellants (crystals etc) but haven't found them
very effective. Any other good suggestions?!



A properly aimed 12 gauge works wonders. Quites a
site to see when the little buggers literally
explode! Of course, in suburbia the use of
firearms is frowned upon. Try a nicely placed size
10 boot to the head.

Robert B II 18-07-2003 09:32 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
Sally wrote:
Whilst rampantly masturbating, on Sat, 12 Jul 2003
13:13:33 +1000, "gl"
wrote:


I've tried citronella based repellants (crystals etc) but haven't
found them very effective. Any other good suggestions?!



A properly aimed 12 gauge works wonders. Quites a
site to see when the little buggers literally
explode! Of course, in suburbia the use of
firearms is frowned upon. Try a nicely placed size
10 boot to the head.


Traps are good.......
council wouldn't give me a trap but told me where to
'buy' one.
Within a short period ,I had 'pet cemetry' out the back and lots of native
birds...aah
Best method is to open trap and let very wild cat fly into wheat bag, twist
closed and into 44 of water....empty bag into pre-prepared 'grave'...fill in
and dig next one ready for tomorrow!
No one ever came looking for 'tiddles'...none had collars either, so fair
game.


--
Robert B* II



John Savage 19-07-2003 02:02 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
"Jock" writes:
gotta be careful, there are some hypnotised feline supporters here.....
1. Get a trap from the local pound, trap the cat and take it to the pound
for a jab. Tell them it scratched your kiddies and you no longer want it.
2. next option is find the cat, catch it and tie a note to it's collar
explaining it is going to have it's neck screwed the next time it strays
into your yard and send it home.
3. next option is to give it aspirin in milk then when it has expired, put
it out on the road and it will look to be roadkill.
4. Get a supersoaker and fill it with ammonia. Spray just under the cat's
tail, yep, that's right, and the cat's off and unlikely to return.
Maybe these actions are outside the options you would like to explore but I
believe and *I have heard* they can result in less visits to your yard by
cats.
Jock


Jock, I declare you are mellowing with the years!! You have given a more
measured and *relatively* unemotional reply! (Gentle readers, you should
have seen some of his postings in previous years!!) :-()

Bullseye accuracy with a supersoaker might be difficult; settling for a
distasteful solution might do. Using distasteful water in a supersoaker
will remind the cat as it fastidiously cleans itself that its visit to
its neighbour's garden was not as pleasant as staying home. Ammonia or
vinegar should do. Quinine might be useful for intractable trespassers,
likewise some Ipacec Syrup (but ensure that the cat doesn't then take
refuge inside your own house!). No, I haven't tried any of these myself.

I have seen someone jocularly (no pun intended) suggest planting catnip
in the middle of any nearby traffic roundabout, but I won't repeat such
a despicable suggestion.

BTW, how much asprin is needed?
--
John Savage (news reply email invalid; keep news replies in newsgroup)


Jock 19-07-2003 05:52 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 

"John Savage" wrote in message
om...
"Jock" writes:
gotta be careful, there are some hypnotised feline supporters here.....
1. Get a trap from the local pound, trap the cat and take it to the

pound
for a jab. Tell them it scratched your kiddies and you no longer want

it.
2. next option is find the cat, catch it and tie a note to it's collar
explaining it is going to have it's neck screwed the next time it strays
into your yard and send it home.
3. next option is to give it aspirin in milk then when it has expired,

put
it out on the road and it will look to be roadkill.
4. Get a supersoaker and fill it with ammonia. Spray just under the

cat's
tail, yep, that's right, and the cat's off and unlikely to return.
Maybe these actions are outside the options you would like to explore but

I
believe and *I have heard* they can result in less visits to your yard by
cats.
Jock


Jock, I declare you are mellowing with the years!!


No way.

You have given a more
measured and *relatively* unemotional reply! (Gentle readers, you should
have seen some of his postings in previous years!!) :-()


Not true! Just showing I am a reasonable bloke here with ideas to share. I
would rather a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy if you were
worried by a lack of emotion but if that cat comes back to the sandpit, it's
going to be launched off my new shiny number 10's.


Bullseye accuracy with a supersoaker might be difficult; settling for a
distasteful solution might do. Using distasteful water in a supersoaker
will remind the cat as it fastidiously cleans itself that its visit to
its neighbour's garden was not as pleasant as staying home. Ammonia or
vinegar should do. Quinine might be useful for intractable trespassers,
likewise some Ipacec Syrup (but ensure that the cat doesn't then take
refuge inside your own house!). No, I haven't tried any of these myself.

I have seen someone jocularly (no pun intended) suggest planting catnip
in the middle of any nearby traffic roundabout, but I won't repeat such
a despicable suggestion.


The idea has merit, I suppose you could add to the appeal of the catnip
roundabout by having the roundabout as an off leash area for cats....

BTW, how much asprin is needed?


A couple ground up and mixed with the milk is all it takes *apparently*..
Valium & similar are even better but you need a script. - They have better
knock down power.
Interesting to read how many other folk are having no joy with cats. Some
sensible readers out there in Oz with real solutions.
Jock
--
John Savage (news reply email invalid; keep news replies in

newsgroup)




[email protected] 22-07-2003 05:21 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:13:33 +1000, "gl"
wrote:

There were a couple of interesting suggestions for possum deterrents - so
I'm hoping someone has a good deterrent for cats (sans shotgun!)
Recently it seems that all the neighbourhood cats have decided that our
mulch/garden beds are the worlds biggest litter tray. Apart from being yuck,
they dig up a lot of my smaller plants, and my dogs have a bit too much fun
playing in the cat poo.... (ewww). Pity they don't keep the cats out of the
garden.
I've tried citronella based repellants (crystals etc) but haven't found them
very effective. Any other good suggestions?!



Have heard of some putting LIBERAL amounts of EPSOM SALTS in with a
handful of mince and just happening to leave it for feeding time.

Cat goes home to rest after dinner...and Whammo!! owner has a bit of a
mess to clean up..........

Hopefully does'nt let cat out to pick up "bad/good food" again.

problem solved

John Savage 24-07-2003 02:33 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
"Jock" writes:
BTW, how much asprin is needed?


A couple ground up and mixed with the milk is all it takes *apparently*..
Valium & similar are even better but you need a script. - They have better
knock down power.


Then valium might be the go. Most pensioners have cupboards full of the
stuff! I have used valium to quieten an Indian Mynah so I could try to
remove fishing line that was tangled around its leg. At first I went
for weight-for-weight comparison with humans, but was way off--I found
that about half a tablet was necessary to slow down the bird enough
that I could make a grab for it. This is much more than I anticipated.

Yes, it was an Indian Mynah. I'm too soft hearted to kill some vermin!
--
John Savage (news reply email invalid; keep news replies in newsgroup)


Jock 24-07-2003 03:02 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 

"John Savage" wrote in message
om...
"Jock" writes:
BTW, how much asprin is needed?


A couple ground up and mixed with the milk is all it takes *apparently*..
Valium & similar are even better but you need a script. - They have

better
knock down power.


Then valium might be the go. Most pensioners have cupboards full of the
stuff! I have used valium to quieten an Indian Mynah so I could try to
remove fishing line that was tangled around its leg. At first I went
for weight-for-weight comparison with humans, but was way off--I found
that about half a tablet was necessary to slow down the bird enough
that I could make a grab for it. This is much more than I anticipated.

Yes, it was an Indian Mynah. I'm too soft hearted to kill some vermin!
--
John Savage (news reply email invalid; keep news replies in

newsgroup)


I could tell you a story or 2 about those little buggers. I don't think
they were the best import to our shores at all. A good way to get them is a
rat trap believe it or not. They love scavenging and are unable to pass up
a free feed.
Next best way is the humble .17cal air rifle (in a non built up zone of
course!). They are one of the coyest birds around and as cunning as
catshit. Shame they give the native bird's nesting sites a caning.
Jock



Nicholas Steel 13-08-2003 02:42 PM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
I fail to understand the angst towards cats especially when dogs
regularly tear kids/old ladies to pieces,leave monster turds and can
wreck a back garden.

Cats dont do this - they bury their droppings , dont attack people and
you cant detect their presence in a garden.

There's a dichtomy here - cat haters are often dog lovers - usually
men but men of a particular type.The aspects of a cat appeal to
someone who has no interest in domination but puts a high value on
affection and curiousity. Dogs appeal to someone who absolutely must
dominate - wives, mistresses, mates, work collegues, neighbours etc.
Mostly they're men.

One guy I worked with was typical - he loved dogs but also loved his
beer, his footy, his fishing and his extra marital affairs. Overall a
blokey dickhead.He often boasted about his cruelty to cats as a
teenager in a country town.

What he liked about his smelly mutt was its loyalty (subtext -
dependence on him). He would call and it would come. The same dynamic
applied with his wife. Like many dickheads he couldnt fathom the
independence of cats. For that matter he couldnt fathom me - I didnt
like footy or drink beer you see. He spread rumours that I was gay.
When I confronted him about this in the basement carpark he went to
water straight away - a typical gutless dog lover. His strength was
entirely surface.

He hadnt a clue of his inner self or what made him tick nor was he
able to express himself emotionally. He had no idea how to satisfy his
wife emotionally or sexually - his world was entirely physical - just
beer, footy and his dog.

He was typical of doglovers. I've had many confrontations with them
mostly over dogs intruding into my property when let off the lead. One
golden retriever ran at my cat. I had a shovel handy and threw it at
the mutt. It hit but not hard. The dog ran over beside its owner - an
alpha male with a shaved head astride a bike. I pushed him very hard
and he fell on top of the mutt. This was sufficient punishment for
both.

At my weekender at Pt Lonsdale another golden retriever ran onto my
property followed closely by its owner - this time an alpha male gone
to seed - he had it all - the shaved head, fat that he thought was
muscle, arrogant disposition
I told him that his mutt running amok was breaking council by laws.
This ratcheted up into an argument. There would have been a similar
reckoning to the previous incident (a shove)except that his two
children were behind him.

Lindsay 13-08-2003 11:02 PM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 


Nicholas Steel wrote:

I fail to understand the angst towards cats especially when dogs
regularly tear kids/old ladies to pieces,leave monster turds and can
wreck a back garden.

Cats dont do this - they bury their droppings


Not always... I had to clean up my back lawn after some arseholes cat
plenty of times.

, dont attack people and
you cant detect their presence in a garden.


Yeah?

I guess they dont spray on peoples property
fight with other cats in the driveway at 2.00am
kill birds
scratch car paint
shit in peoples garden beds


Nothing wrong with cats while they are kept on their owners property.
It's when they go onto others that the problems arise.

Most cat owners conveniently forget about that bit...

Adam 14-08-2003 12:42 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
(Nicholas Steel) wrote in message . com...
I fail to understand the angst towards cats especially when dogs
regularly tear kids/old ladies to pieces,

Most dogs don't do this. And 99.9% of dog owners are as disgusted by
the lack of training & responsibility as anyone else.

leave monster turds

Check my front yard for the size & number of cat turds. They are not
buried, and smell far more than the one's my dogs leave in my back
yard.

and can wreck a back garden.

True. But it's my dog, my garden.


Cats dont do this - they bury their droppings

a tiny scraping of dirt or mulch doesn;t consitute burial. And the
disgusting mess in a child's sand pit isn't much fun either.

dont attack people

cats are considered dangerous to infants.
and you cant detect their presence in a garden.

That's amusing. Should I send some of the cat crap from my yard to
prove this ?
Maybe your yard is crap free because it's visiting the surronding
yards.

There's a dichtomy here - cat haters are often dog lovers

True.
- usually men but men of a particular type.The aspects of a cat appeal to
someone who has no interest in domination but puts a high value on
affection and curiousity. Dogs appeal to someone who absolutely must
dominate - wives, mistresses, mates, work collegues, neighbours etc.
Mostly they're men.

Now you are just generalising based on the moronic minority that has
no understanding of the responsibilities of owning an animal.
I know a lot of responsible dog owners, a couple of indifferent ones
but not any moronic ones. I don't know any cat owners that keep their
pet on their own property though.

snip couple of examples of idiots with dogs.


He was typical of doglovers. I've had many confrontations with them
mostly over dogs intruding into my property when let off the lead. One
golden retriever ran at my cat. I had a shovel handy and threw it at
the mutt. It hit but not hard. The dog ran over beside its owner - an
alpha male with a shaved head astride a bike. I pushed him very hard
and he fell on top of the mutt. This was sufficient punishment for
both.

This suggests that you are being more aggressive / alpha male-ish than
the dog owner. I get more cats in my yard than dogs by a ratio of
about 20:1. Most dog owners keep their animals on a leash when they're
walking.

At my weekender at Pt Lonsdale another golden retriever ran onto my
property followed closely by its owner - this time an alpha male gone
to seed - he had it all - the shaved head, fat that he thought was
muscle,
arrogant disposition

Not the only one by the sounds of it.
I told him that his mutt running amok was breaking council by laws.

Good. It was.

This ratcheted up into an argument. There would have been a similar
reckoning to the previous incident (a shove)except that his two
children were behind him.

Back to the aggressive behaviour.

I don't care if someone wants to own a cat. Just remember that your
neighbours don't necessarily want one and keep it in your own yard.
Dog owners are required to keep the animal on their own property or
face fines (and rightly so), yet cat owners seem to let their animal
roam free with no understanding of the mess they leave in other
people's yards.
And a couple of examples :
* As mentioned before - cat crap all over my yard. Smells disgusting,
rank to clean up and it's also a danger to pregnant women ( ie: my
wife not long ago )
* Dead birds. We had a bird feeder for some of the native birds in the
area, but the neighbour's cats stopped this fairly effectively.
* Cat urine on the bonnet of our car, effectively ruining the
paintwork.
* Scratches down the bonnet of another car from a cat sliding off it.
* One person I know gets complaints from her neighbour that her dogs
are barking. The reason - the neighbour's cat intruding into the dog's
yard...

Jock 14-08-2003 03:12 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
The real issue here is that you copped shit as a kid and you can empathise
with cats.
Your problem.
Jock
"Nicholas Steel" wrote in message
om...
I fail to understand the angst towards cats especially when dogs
regularly tear kids/old ladies to pieces,leave monster turds and can
wreck a back garden.

Cats dont do this - they bury their droppings , dont attack people and
you cant detect their presence in a garden.

There's a dichtomy here - cat haters are often dog lovers - usually
men but men of a particular type.The aspects of a cat appeal to
someone who has no interest in domination but puts a high value on
affection and curiousity. Dogs appeal to someone who absolutely must
dominate - wives, mistresses, mates, work collegues, neighbours etc.
Mostly they're men.

One guy I worked with was typical - he loved dogs but also loved his
beer, his footy, his fishing and his extra marital affairs. Overall a
blokey dickhead.He often boasted about his cruelty to cats as a
teenager in a country town.

What he liked about his smelly mutt was its loyalty (subtext -
dependence on him). He would call and it would come. The same dynamic
applied with his wife. Like many dickheads he couldnt fathom the
independence of cats. For that matter he couldnt fathom me - I didnt
like footy or drink beer you see. He spread rumours that I was gay.
When I confronted him about this in the basement carpark he went to
water straight away - a typical gutless dog lover. His strength was
entirely surface.

He hadnt a clue of his inner self or what made him tick nor was he
able to express himself emotionally. He had no idea how to satisfy his
wife emotionally or sexually - his world was entirely physical - just
beer, footy and his dog.

He was typical of doglovers. I've had many confrontations with them
mostly over dogs intruding into my property when let off the lead. One
golden retriever ran at my cat. I had a shovel handy and threw it at
the mutt. It hit but not hard. The dog ran over beside its owner - an
alpha male with a shaved head astride a bike. I pushed him very hard
and he fell on top of the mutt. This was sufficient punishment for
both.

At my weekender at Pt Lonsdale another golden retriever ran onto my
property followed closely by its owner - this time an alpha male gone
to seed - he had it all - the shaved head, fat that he thought was
muscle, arrogant disposition
I told him that his mutt running amok was breaking council by laws.
This ratcheted up into an argument. There would have been a similar
reckoning to the previous incident (a shove)except that his two
children were behind him.




Bumblebee 14-08-2003 07:27 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
X-No-Archive: yes

On 13 Aug 2003 06:32:15 -0700,"Nicholas Steel" posted ...

I fail to understand the angst towards cats especially when dogs
regularly tear kids/old ladies to pieces,leave monster turds and can
wreck a back garden.

Cats dont do this - they bury their droppings , dont attack people and
you cant detect their presence in a garden.


In the neighbourhood where I live, owners of dogs and cats are required
to contain their pets within their own properties. If you take your dogs
for a walk they are required to be on a lead, although the Council has
set aside some areas where dogs are permitted to excercise off-lead.

I have two dogs therefore I don't have a problem with cats in the
backyard, but I have a large well fenced front yard which the dogs can't
access during the night, so I am often bothered by cats squealing and
meowing during the night.

The local council actively pursues wandering dogs and impounds them and
they also loan traps to people who are troubled by cats. After loaning
out traps the Council workers call in each day to collect any cats
captured and the cats are also impounded.

If the dogs and cats are not claimed by their owners or alternatively
homes cannot be found for them, they are humanely put down. I think that
is a terrific way to control what otherwise could be a real nuisance to
other members of a community.

--

Chris Bee

Nicholas Steel 15-08-2003 12:03 PM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
"Jock" wrote in message ...
The real issue here is that you copped shit as a kid and you can empathise
with cats.
Your problem.
Jock

LMAO - your Freudian didactic

"Nicholas Steel" wrote in message
om...
I fail to understand the angst towards cats especially when dogs
regularly tear kids/old ladies to pieces,leave monster turds and can
wreck a back garden.

Cats dont do this - they bury their droppings , dont attack people and
you cant detect their presence in a garden.

There's a dichtomy here - cat haters are often dog lovers - usually
men but men of a particular type.The aspects of a cat appeal to
someone who has no interest in domination but puts a high value on
affection and curiousity. Dogs appeal to someone who absolutely must
dominate - wives, mistresses, mates, work collegues, neighbours etc.
Mostly they're men.

One guy I worked with was typical - he loved dogs but also loved his
beer, his footy, his fishing and his extra marital affairs. Overall a
blokey dickhead.He often boasted about his cruelty to cats as a
teenager in a country town.

What he liked about his smelly mutt was its loyalty (subtext -
dependence on him). He would call and it would come. The same dynamic
applied with his wife. Like many dickheads he couldnt fathom the
independence of cats. For that matter he couldnt fathom me - I didnt
like footy or drink beer you see. He spread rumours that I was gay.
When I confronted him about this in the basement carpark he went to
water straight away - a typical gutless dog lover. His strength was
entirely surface.

He hadnt a clue of his inner self or what made him tick nor was he
able to express himself emotionally. He had no idea how to satisfy his
wife emotionally or sexually - his world was entirely physical - just
beer, footy and his dog.

He was typical of doglovers. I've had many confrontations with them
mostly over dogs intruding into my property when let off the lead. One
golden retriever ran at my cat. I had a shovel handy and threw it at
the mutt. It hit but not hard. The dog ran over beside its owner - an
alpha male with a shaved head astride a bike. I pushed him very hard
and he fell on top of the mutt. This was sufficient punishment for
both.

At my weekender at Pt Lonsdale another golden retriever ran onto my
property followed closely by its owner - this time an alpha male gone
to seed - he had it all - the shaved head, fat that he thought was
muscle, arrogant disposition
I told him that his mutt running amok was breaking council by laws.
This ratcheted up into an argument. There would have been a similar
reckoning to the previous incident (a shove)except that his two
children were behind him.


Leanne 15-08-2003 05:02 PM

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I love my dog but I dont like cats, I would be inclined to resent your
inferences but I know that everyone is entitled to their opinion... but just
for the record I am not a bloke and I dont like beer.... nor am I
particularly partial to being pigeon holed.


"Jock" wrote in message
...
The real issue here is that you copped shit as a kid and you can empathise
with cats.
Your problem.
Jock
"Nicholas Steel" wrote in message
om...
I fail to understand the angst towards cats especially when dogs
regularly tear kids/old ladies to pieces,leave monster turds and can
wreck a back garden.

Cats dont do this - they bury their droppings , dont attack people and
you cant detect their presence in a garden.

There's a dichtomy here - cat haters are often dog lovers - usually
men but men of a particular type.The aspects of a cat appeal to
someone who has no interest in domination but puts a high value on
affection and curiousity. Dogs appeal to someone who absolutely must
dominate - wives, mistresses, mates, work collegues, neighbours etc.
Mostly they're men.

One guy I worked with was typical - he loved dogs but also loved his
beer, his footy, his fishing and his extra marital affairs. Overall a
blokey dickhead.He often boasted about his cruelty to cats as a
teenager in a country town.

What he liked about his smelly mutt was its loyalty (subtext -
dependence on him). He would call and it would come. The same dynamic
applied with his wife. Like many dickheads he couldnt fathom the
independence of cats. For that matter he couldnt fathom me - I didnt
like footy or drink beer you see. He spread rumours that I was gay.
When I confronted him about this in the basement carpark he went to
water straight away - a typical gutless dog lover. His strength was
entirely surface.

He hadnt a clue of his inner self or what made him tick nor was he
able to express himself emotionally. He had no idea how to satisfy his
wife emotionally or sexually - his world was entirely physical - just
beer, footy and his dog.

He was typical of doglovers. I've had many confrontations with them
mostly over dogs intruding into my property when let off the lead. One
golden retriever ran at my cat. I had a shovel handy and threw it at
the mutt. It hit but not hard. The dog ran over beside its owner - an
alpha male with a shaved head astride a bike. I pushed him very hard
and he fell on top of the mutt. This was sufficient punishment for
both.

At my weekender at Pt Lonsdale another golden retriever ran onto my
property followed closely by its owner - this time an alpha male gone
to seed - he had it all - the shaved head, fat that he thought was
muscle, arrogant disposition
I told him that his mutt running amok was breaking council by laws.
This ratcheted up into an argument. There would have been a similar
reckoning to the previous incident (a shove)except that his two
children were behind him.






Chookie 16-08-2003 09:12 AM

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"Nicholas Steel" wrote in message
om...


There's a dichtomy here - cat haters are often dog lovers - usually
men but men of a particular type.The aspects of a cat appeal to
someone who has no interest in domination but puts a high value on
affection and curiousity. Dogs appeal to someone who absolutely must
dominate - wives, mistresses, mates, work collegues, neighbours etc.


I am curious as to what Nicholas Steel would make of someone who is a
guinea-pig owner -- I don't particularly like cats or dogs!

I am petite, but neither furry nor vegetarian...

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"...children should continue to be breastfed... for up to two years of age
or beyond." -- Innocenti Declaration, Florence, 1 August 1990

Jock 17-08-2003 12:42 PM

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http://www.seuss.org/seuss/freud.seuss.html
Freud indeedy deed!
Jock
"Nicholas Steel" wrote in message
om...
"Jock" wrote in message

...
The real issue here is that you copped shit as a kid and you can

empathise
with cats.
Your problem.
Jock

LMAO - your Freudian didactic

"Nicholas Steel" wrote in message
om...
I fail to understand the angst towards cats especially when dogs
regularly tear kids/old ladies to pieces,leave monster turds and can
wreck a back garden.

Cats dont do this - they bury their droppings , dont attack people and
you cant detect their presence in a garden.

There's a dichtomy here - cat haters are often dog lovers - usually
men but men of a particular type.The aspects of a cat appeal to
someone who has no interest in domination but puts a high value on
affection and curiousity. Dogs appeal to someone who absolutely must
dominate - wives, mistresses, mates, work collegues, neighbours etc.
Mostly they're men.

One guy I worked with was typical - he loved dogs but also loved his
beer, his footy, his fishing and his extra marital affairs. Overall a
blokey dickhead.He often boasted about his cruelty to cats as a
teenager in a country town.

What he liked about his smelly mutt was its loyalty (subtext -
dependence on him). He would call and it would come. The same dynamic
applied with his wife. Like many dickheads he couldnt fathom the
independence of cats. For that matter he couldnt fathom me - I didnt
like footy or drink beer you see. He spread rumours that I was gay.
When I confronted him about this in the basement carpark he went to
water straight away - a typical gutless dog lover. His strength was
entirely surface.

He hadnt a clue of his inner self or what made him tick nor was he
able to express himself emotionally. He had no idea how to satisfy his
wife emotionally or sexually - his world was entirely physical - just
beer, footy and his dog.

He was typical of doglovers. I've had many confrontations with them
mostly over dogs intruding into my property when let off the lead. One
golden retriever ran at my cat. I had a shovel handy and threw it at
the mutt. It hit but not hard. The dog ran over beside its owner - an
alpha male with a shaved head astride a bike. I pushed him very hard
and he fell on top of the mutt. This was sufficient punishment for
both.

At my weekender at Pt Lonsdale another golden retriever ran onto my
property followed closely by its owner - this time an alpha male gone
to seed - he had it all - the shaved head, fat that he thought was
muscle, arrogant disposition
I told him that his mutt running amok was breaking council by laws.
This ratcheted up into an argument. There would have been a similar
reckoning to the previous incident (a shove)except that his two
children were behind him.




Nicholas Steel 10-09-2003 03:14 PM

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(Adam) wrote in message . com...
(Nicholas Steel) wrote in message . com...
I fail to understand the angst towards cats especially when dogs
regularly tear kids/old ladies to pieces,

Most dogs don't do this. And 99.9% of dog owners are as disgusted by
the lack of training & responsibility as anyone else.

leave monster turds

Check my front yard for the size & number of cat turds. They are not
buried, and smell far more than the one's my dogs leave in my back
yard.

LOL - you gotta be kidding? Dog turds are in a league of their own.

and can wreck a back garden.

True. But it's my dog, my garden.

And your problem too eh old timer?

Cats dont do this - they bury their droppings

a tiny scraping of dirt or mulch doesn;t consitute burial. And the
disgusting mess in a child's sand pit isn't much fun either.

It might be character building for the kid, ya know?

dont attack people

cats are considered dangerous to infants.


But dogs more so - esp. when they tear said enfant to pieces - happens all the time.

and you cant detect their presence in a garden.

That's amusing. Should I send some of the cat crap from my yard to
prove this ?



LOL - well that proves your just a cranky old bugger.
Maybe your yard is crap free because it's visiting the surronding
yards.

There's a dichtomy here - cat haters are often dog lovers

True.
- usually men but men of a particular type.The aspects of a cat appeal to
someone who has no interest in domination but puts a high value on
affection and curiousity. Dogs appeal to someone who absolutely must
dominate - wives, mistresses, mates, work collegues, neighbours etc.
Mostly they're men.

Now you are just generalising based on the moronic minority that has
no understanding of the responsibilities of owning an animal.


Glad you agree that morons are drawn to mutt ownership.

I know a lot of responsible dog owners, a couple of indifferent ones
but not any moronic ones. I don't know any cat owners that keep their
pet on their own property though.

snip couple of examples of idiots with dogs.


He was typical of doglovers. I've had many confrontations with them
mostly over dogs intruding into my property when let off the lead. One
golden retriever ran at my cat. I had a shovel handy and threw it at
the mutt. It hit but not hard. The dog ran over beside its owner - an
alpha male with a shaved head astride a bike. I pushed him very hard
and he fell on top of the mutt. This was sufficient punishment for
both.

This suggests that you are being more aggressive / alpha male-ish than
the dog owner.


No - I just beat this dickhead at his own game - I dont accept his code.

I get more cats in my yard than dogs by a ratio of
about 20:1. Most dog owners keep their animals on a leash when they're
walking.


I sense you're embellishing here old timer.

At my weekender at Pt Lonsdale another golden retriever ran onto my
property followed closely by its owner - this time an alpha male gone
to seed - he had it all - the shaved head, fat that he thought was
muscle,
arrogant disposition

Not the only one by the sounds of it.


I'm the quiet type.

I told him that his mutt running amok was breaking council by laws.

Good. It was.

This ratcheted up into an argument. There would have been a similar
reckoning to the previous incident (a shove)except that his two
children were behind him.

Back to the aggressive behaviour.

I don't care if someone wants to own a cat. Just remember that your
neighbours don't necessarily want one and keep it in your own yard.
Dog owners are required to keep the animal on their own property or
face fines (and rightly so), yet cat owners seem to let their animal
roam free with no understanding of the mess they leave in other
people's yards.
And a couple of examples :
* As mentioned before - cat crap all over my yard. Smells disgusting,
rank to clean up and it's also a danger to pregnant women ( ie: my
wife not long ago )


Was it a good ****?

* Dead birds. We had a bird feeder for some of the native birds in the
area, but the neighbour's cats stopped this fairly effectively.


Probably another useless old timer with too much time on his hands.

* Cat urine on the bonnet of our car, effectively ruining the
paintwork.


That'll teach you to obssess over your ****ing car.
* Scratches down the bonnet of another car from a cat sliding off it.


Ditto
* One person I know gets complaints from her neighbour that her dogs
are barking. The reason - the neighbour's cat intruding into the dog's
yard...


Aw gee - sounds like an old haridan that needs a good dicking.

Tell me - do you keep in shape old timer?

SG1 10-09-2003 10:44 PM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
I have found a .22 a very good deterrent, seems to stop them dead in thier
tracks so to speak. They can be revived with a healthy meal of mince and
snail bait (equal proportions). Remember to shoot nine times though, can't
have one of the other eight lives sneaking through.



Nicholas Steel 12-09-2003 12:20 PM

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"Leanne" wrote in message ...
I love my dog but I dont like cats,


Well, as Tony Soprano would put it: "Ya dont say"


I would be inclined to resent your
inferences but I know that everyone is entitled to their opinion... but just
for the record I am not a bloke and I dont like beer....


Bet the hubby does though eh sweetheart?

nor am I
particularly partial to being pigeon holed.

Like I really care for your drab life.

"Jock" wrote in message
...
The real issue here is that you copped shit as a kid and you can empathise
with cats.
Your problem.
Jock
"Nicholas Steel" wrote in message
om...
I fail to understand the angst towards cats especially when dogs
regularly tear kids/old ladies to pieces,leave monster turds and can
wreck a back garden.

Cats dont do this - they bury their droppings , dont attack people and
you cant detect their presence in a garden.

There's a dichtomy here - cat haters are often dog lovers - usually
men but men of a particular type.The aspects of a cat appeal to
someone who has no interest in domination but puts a high value on
affection and curiousity. Dogs appeal to someone who absolutely must
dominate - wives, mistresses, mates, work collegues, neighbours etc.
Mostly they're men.

One guy I worked with was typical - he loved dogs but also loved his
beer, his footy, his fishing and his extra marital affairs. Overall a
blokey dickhead.He often boasted about his cruelty to cats as a
teenager in a country town.

What he liked about his smelly mutt was its loyalty (subtext -
dependence on him). He would call and it would come. The same dynamic
applied with his wife. Like many dickheads he couldnt fathom the
independence of cats. For that matter he couldnt fathom me - I didnt
like footy or drink beer you see. He spread rumours that I was gay.
When I confronted him about this in the basement carpark he went to
water straight away - a typical gutless dog lover. His strength was
entirely surface.

He hadnt a clue of his inner self or what made him tick nor was he
able to express himself emotionally. He had no idea how to satisfy his
wife emotionally or sexually - his world was entirely physical - just
beer, footy and his dog.

He was typical of doglovers. I've had many confrontations with them
mostly over dogs intruding into my property when let off the lead. One
golden retriever ran at my cat. I had a shovel handy and threw it at
the mutt. It hit but not hard. The dog ran over beside its owner - an
alpha male with a shaved head astride a bike. I pushed him very hard
and he fell on top of the mutt. This was sufficient punishment for
both.

At my weekender at Pt Lonsdale another golden retriever ran onto my
property followed closely by its owner - this time an alpha male gone
to seed - he had it all - the shaved head, fat that he thought was
muscle, arrogant disposition
I told him that his mutt running amok was breaking council by laws.
This ratcheted up into an argument. There would have been a similar
reckoning to the previous incident (a shove)except that his two
children were behind him.




Nicholas Steel 13-09-2003 07:42 AM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
"SG1" wrote in message ...
I have found a .22 a very good deterrent, seems to stop them dead in thier
tracks so to speak. They can be revived with a healthy meal of mince and
snail bait (equal proportions). Remember to shoot nine times though, can't
have one of the other eight lives sneaking through.


Got to be careful that the owner doesnt take umbrage. I take an
extreme version of Napoleonic law re wrongs committed against my cat -
you know - guilty until proven innocent.

SG1 13-09-2003 11:22 PM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
No probs with umbrage as long as the cat is dead. My yard, your cat, your
dead cat.
Jim

Nicholas Steel wrote in message
om...
"SG1" wrote in message

...
I have found a .22 a very good deterrent, seems to stop them dead in

thier
tracks so to speak. They can be revived with a healthy meal of mince and
snail bait (equal proportions). Remember to shoot nine times though,

can't
have one of the other eight lives sneaking through.


Got to be careful that the owner doesnt take umbrage. I take an
extreme version of Napoleonic law re wrongs committed against my cat -
you know - guilty until proven innocent.




Nicholas Steel 21-09-2003 03:32 PM

Cat Deterrent suggestions
 
"SG1" wrote in message ...
No probs with umbrage as long as the cat is dead. My yard, your cat, your
dead cat.
Jim


And my haymaker to your nose.


Nicholas Steel wrote in message
om...
"SG1" wrote in message

...
I have found a .22 a very good deterrent, seems to stop them dead in

thier
tracks so to speak. They can be revived with a healthy meal of mince and
snail bait (equal proportions). Remember to shoot nine times though,

can't
have one of the other eight lives sneaking through.


Got to be careful that the owner doesnt take umbrage. I take an
extreme version of Napoleonic law re wrongs committed against my cat -
you know - guilty until proven innocent.


Peter 22-09-2003 06:02 AM

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On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:10:21 +1000, "James Edmundson" wrote:

My apologies, I admit I made an error and that the watering times refer to
gardens not lawns. I did not make that distiction clear in my previous post
and I will correct it now.

http://www.goldcoast.qld.gov.au/

Is the council website. For more information on current water restrictions.


Just found out how bad the "Council From Hell" really is did you? They are on a
mission to destroy lifestyle and property values throughout the Gold Coast and
won't rest until everyone is living in a crumbling hovel surrounded by cracked
earth and dust.

Move to the Sunshine Coast where the council plans and develops properly
and cares about the people.

Dr Hook


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