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[IBC] Shoot grafting
I ran across this website a while ago.
http://www.andyrutledge.com/worlds2/black_begin2.html He appears to be implying that some of these monster black pines are grown then chopped back and new limbs totally grafted on. Is this typical in a Japanese bonsai nursey? Are these thread grafted limbs cut from the plant and moved to a new location or are those shoots grown with bud grafts? I guess I'm curious because I found a Pinus Densiflora at a local hip furniture store with a 4 inch cliper trunk in a 10 gallon container. it has been trained into a upswept topiary style, but might be usable. The best part is the clearance price at 60 dollars. My question is in the next few years would be feasable to graft new shoots on the lower part of the trunk, I will certainly practice grafting on some other stuff before I attempt to do anything to this one. -- Ethan Smith, Columbus, Ohio USDA Zone 6, Sunset 35 & 41 but wait around, it may feel more like zone 2 or even 9? ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Ethan - I have two thoughts for you:
1. If this pine has been indoors in a furniture store for any length of time, it is probably dead, or close to it. 2. Grafting on pines is one of the more exotic procedures in horticulture. It can be done, but only by experts. The usual equipment includes a room in which the humidity is kept very high and the temperature can be carefully monitored. I only know of a handful of people who have been successful at it - and half of this group are deceased. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ethan Smith" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:26 PM Subject: [IBC] Shoot grafting I ran across this website a while ago. http://www.andyrutledge.com/worlds2/black_begin2.html He appears to be implying that some of these monster black pines are grown then chopped back and new limbs totally grafted on. Is this typical in a Japanese bonsai nursey? Are these thread grafted limbs cut from the plant and moved to a new location or are those shoots grown with bud grafts? I guess I'm curious because I found a Pinus Densiflora at a local hip furniture store with a 4 inch cliper trunk in a 10 gallon container. it has been trained into a upswept topiary style, but might be usable. The best part is the clearance price at 60 dollars. My question is in the next few years would be feasable to graft new shoots on the lower part of the trunk, I will certainly practice grafting on some other stuff before I attempt to do anything to this one. -- Ethan Smith, Columbus, Ohio USDA Zone 6, Sunset 35 & 41 but wait around, it may feel more like zone 2 or even 9? ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Marty,
Well I guess I wasn't clear enough on the tree, it is at a high end furniture store that has a garden section outside and carries a nice selection of specimen plants. They also have some really nice Japanese Maples. So it certainly isn't dead. I'll get some pictures of it here soon and post them somewhere so get some opinions of it's usability. -Ethan 1. If this pine has been indoors in a furniture store for any length of time, it is probably dead, or close to it. /www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
What a great deal for a fat pine! How tall is it?
Marty is right that grafting pines is difficult to do successfully. However, to say it can only be done by experts is a bit of hyperbole. Even experts were novices at one time. Learn what you can about grafting pines and give it a try. Be prepared for a high rate of failure, but the only way to become an expert is through study and practice. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- From: Marty Haber 2. Grafting on pines is one of the more exotic procedures in horticulture. It can be done, but only by experts. The usual equipment includes a room in which the humidity is kept very high and the temperature can be carefully monitored. I only know of a handful of people who have been successful at it - and half of this group are deceased. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ethan Smith" I ran across this website a while ago. http://www.andyrutledge.com/worlds2/black_begin2.html He appears to be implying that some of these monster black pines are grown then chopped back and new limbs totally grafted on. Is this typical in a Japanese bonsai nursey? Are these thread grafted limbs cut from the plant and moved to a new location or are those shoots grown with bud grafts? I guess I'm curious because I found a Pinus Densiflora at a local hip furniture store with a 4 inch cliper trunk in a 10 gallon container. it has been trained into a upswept topiary style, but might be usable. The best part is the clearance price at 60 dollars. My question is in the next few years would be feasable to graft new shoots on the lower part of the trunk, I will certainly practice grafting on some other stuff before I attempt to do anything to this one. -- Ethan Smith, Columbus, Ohio USDA Zone 6, Sunset 35 & 41 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
I am two for three using approach grafts from the same tree (The failure
involved aborting the graft after trying to include my finger in the graft). They have taken a couple of years to fully attach on the Scots pine. Since I have not had much luck with traditional grafts in the past, I would suggest that approach grafts are fairly easy, even for pines. Thread grafts on maples seem to be working fairly well for me as well. Marty Spokane, WA ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Hi everyone.
Well I went down and picked up the Densiflora that I mentioned earlier in this thread. I posted pictures of it over at.. http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/showthread.php?t=13338 I think it has potential. And I think my imagination got the best of me because it is about 2.5 inch cliper and an 8 gallon. Not nearly the beast that I thought from my intial visit. But our minds sometimes work like that...that which we desire always seems exagerated in the right ways. let me know what you think about it's potential. I'm not sure where to go with it. thanks -Ethan ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Ethan Smith wrote:
Hi It looks like grafted just under the umbrella when you will clean the roots and neabari most probably will get some more inches in lenght and according how you will position in a pot will probably reach the illusion to be slender .. trimming the crown ( underneath and leaving ramification grow on top of the umbrella) can add some more lightness to the whole ..but it takes time and correct know how it is a very nice shaped umbrella and why not give a try to maakes it look like a Stone pine Get Informed how to care and cut needles and trim branches .. Michael Persiano just published a wonderful book about pines .. that contains all you need to know about ... you do not cure nor trim all the pines the same way read it before puttings your hands at work on your pine .it is a real friendly advice ! Tiziano |
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