[IBC] Greenhouse question
Mines not a greenhouse but a cold frame with a
greenhouse like top. Anyway what i ended up doing was wrapping 2 turns of heating coil "pipe heating coils" around some pots. Then mulching them in. Then placing a sensor inside the soil of a few of the pots hooked up to thermostats. The pipe heating coil's come on around 28 degrees and go off around 35 degrees. I only have them wrapped around the trees with more cold sensitive root systems. Such as a kingsville boxwood, serissa, japanese maples, trident maple, chinese elm, crape myrtle and a flowering apricot. Any day above about 38 i open the cold frame to let air flow in. I keep a oscilating fan in the cold frame turned on at all times when the frame is closed. Ben __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Greenhouse question
I am somewhere between zone 6 and 7 on LONG Island, NY.
I have my trees in a greenhouse I use a minimum amount of heat at night. To prevent the temps from sustaining temps under 32*f. using a kerosene heater. Actually I prefer to keep the above 32*, because during day temps exceed 70 sometimes. The maples are budding already and I am starting to repot this month as I do every year. My trees seem to do well SteveW LI NY ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jerry Meislik++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Greenhouse question
I was in the greehouse w2 weeks agohe greenhouse is made with heavy mill plastic. it is not sheltered from the sunlight. it was sunny enough to radiate heat in the greenhouse. I willl ake pic of the maples next week if you like. the heaters are only used
at night. I have to start repotting every year in march. Last year was so mild we started to beginning of february. The Maples leafed out. the elms are starting to leaf out. and the Quince are done flowering. the greenhouses are 20'x 16' and 16'x 16'. this past fall the larger one was built and the smaller was covered with new plastic. now the SteveW Long Island NY ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Greenhouse question
As i mentioned the larger greenhouse was just built. the vent and fan has not been installed yet.but I am sure we'll have the vents and fan in soon, before the temperatures get too high.
The greenhouse adds about 4 months to our growing season. Long Island only has a growing season from April or may through October. that's stretching it. April and October are unpredictable as far as weather goes. undoubtedly there is a great advantage to using a greenhouse. or a cold frame. SteveW Long Island NY ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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I am using 10 mill clear Plastic. But it isn't transparent I get almost a 2
month headstart on spring, but what is most important to me, is the fact that there is no damage from the wind, which is prevalent here on Long Island. I have approximately 30 varieties of Japanese Maples. They are already leafed out. The trees look great until they go outside, and get damaged by the wind. this year I trying to leave the maples in the greenhouse all summer. I have the greenhouse set up with a fan and ventilation, so that there is plenty air circulation. SteveW ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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In a message dated 3/3/2003 7:39:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: The trees look great until they go outside, and get damaged by the wind. I am not sure it is just wind. I know that heat and humidity also cause damage to Maple leaves. I am not sure the greenhouse idea will work, but why not try. It will need a lot of air movement. How close are you to salt water, another potential problem. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Feel like i haven't posted in ages and its only been a
week or so :). From what i have heard about maples letting them open their leaves in more sun then you plan on putting them in will allow the leaves to wistand sun damage better. There is also a product called pro-tect which is supposed to help. I beleive its made by dyna grow. Speaking of japanese maples how acid do japanese maples like their soil. I was thinking of using oak leaf mold to repot mine this year in the mix but i beleive it is more acid then pine bark mulch. Ben __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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There is also a product called pro-tect which is
supposed to help. I beleive its made by dyna grow. I've not used this stuff, but I do not believe it is for constant use. It is designed to keep a tree's leaves from losing water in wind and heat, and is most often used while transporting plants from point a to point b in an open carrier. Trees have to transpire (lose moisture through stoma in their leaf surfaces (mostly lower surfaces), and this material temporarily blocks that ability. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Jim: I'm no expert on Pro-Tekt, but I do know that it is not an antidessicant as
you suggest. Commonly available brands of antidessicants include Cloud and Wilt-Pruf. Pro-Tekt is supposed to help fortify the cell wall structures of the foliage and supposedly can be used on a routine basis. From the Stone Lantern site I got this description: "Pro-Tekt silicon and potassium solution helps build stronger cell walls and is said to increase overall resistance to stress; including heat, cold and drought resistance, as well as protection against salinity, mineral toxicity and insects and disease." Alan Walker, Lake Charles, LA, USA http://LCBSBonsai.org http://bonsai-bci.com =============================== Jim Lewis wrote: There is also a product called pro-tect which is supposed to help. I believe its made by dyna grow. I've not used this stuff, but I do not believe it is for constant use. It is designed to keep a tree's leaves from losing water in wind and heat, and is most often used while transporting plants from point a to point b in an open carrier. Trees have to transpire (lose moisture through stoma in their leaf surfaces (mostly lower surfaces), and this material temporarily blocks that ability. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Jim: I'm no expert on Pro-Tekt, but I do know that it is not
an antidessicant as you suggest. Commonly available brands of antidessicants include Cloud and Wilt-Pruf. Pro-Tekt is supposed to help fortify the cell wall structures of the foliage and supposedly can be used on a routine basis. From the Stone Lantern site I got this description: "Pro-Tekt silicon and potassium solution helps build stronger cell walls and is said to increase overall resistance to stress; including heat, cold and drought resistance, as well as protection against salinity, mineral toxicity and insects and disease." Alan Walker, Lake Charles, LA, USA http://LCBSBonsai.org http://bonsai-bci.com =============================== Well, you learn something every day -- thankfully -- though how someone gets a tree to take up silicon is beyond me at the moment. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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thanks for the response.
There is air circulation. a fan and vents. The reason I believe it's from the wind is that they look good until they go outside. and there is always some wind. the yard does not have adaequate shelter from the wind. I have tried all locations . However, i noticed that when I remove all the leaves when I am putting them outside the replacement leaves do not show brown edges Long Island is surrounded by ocean and The Long Island Sound. i am a few miles from the shore. SteveW Long Island NY ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Speaking of greenhouses, "Jim Lewis or Current Resident" got a
catalog in the mail today from "Charley's Greenhouse and Garden" (www.charleysgreenhouse.com) (1-800-322-4707 for a catalog) and it's an interesting read, despite being snail mail spam. First catalog I've see that sells several varieties of "poly tunnels" (used for acclimatizing newly repotted trees, cuttings, and layers, etc.). And they actually have a page of bonsai tools, that includes a concave cutter, a Japanese wire cutter, wire (in three smallish sizes), bonsai rakes, tweezers (!), soil sifter screens, assorted shears, snips, & etc. along with other standard garden/irrigation stuff and -- oh yes, more different greenhouse models than I've seen anywhere else. I have not bought from them, but might. It's in Mount Vernon, Washington. Anyone heard of them? Any reports? Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Jim:
As I recall, I've bought something minor from them and been happy .. As I recall it was plastic orchid pots for my wife. I can also highly reccomend Lee Valley Hardware leevalley.com Bart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lewis" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:18 PM Subject: [IBC] Greenhouse question Speaking of greenhouses, "Jim Lewis or Current Resident" got a catalog in the mail today from "Charley's Greenhouse and Garden" (www.charleysgreenhouse.com) (1-800-322-4707 for a catalog) and it's an interesting read, despite being snail mail spam. First catalog I've see that sells several varieties of "poly tunnels" (used for acclimatizing newly repotted trees, cuttings, and layers, etc.). And they actually have a page of bonsai tools, that includes a concave cutter, a Japanese wire cutter, wire (in three smallish sizes), bonsai rakes, tweezers (!), soil sifter screens, assorted shears, snips, & etc. along with other standard garden/irrigation stuff and -- oh yes, more different greenhouse models than I've seen anywhere else. I have not bought from them, but might. It's in Mount Vernon, Washington. Anyone heard of them? Any reports? Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Jim and all IBC:
I have used Charleys greenhouse.com for about three years since our IBC member Luis Fontainills turned there information over to me. They are a very good and reputable company, and solved a problem quickly, when an oscillating fan I had purchased from them stopped oscillating. I had a new one in two days! Of course, I have no relationship with them other than being a custosmer! Carl L. Rosner Jim Lewis wrote: Speaking of greenhouses, "Jim Lewis or Current Resident" got a catalog in the mail today from "Charley's Greenhouse and Garden" (www.charleysgreenhouse.com) (1-800-322-4707 for a catalog) and it's an interesting read, despite being snail mail spam. First catalog I've see that sells several varieties of "poly tunnels" (used for acclimatizing newly repotted trees, cuttings, and layers, etc.). And they actually have a page of bonsai tools, that includes a concave cutter, a Japanese wire cutter, wire (in three smallish sizes), bonsai rakes, tweezers (!), soil sifter screens, assorted shears, snips, & etc. along with other standard garden/irrigation stuff and -- oh yes, more different greenhouse models than I've seen anywhere else. I have not bought from them, but might. It's in Mount Vernon, Washington. Anyone heard of them? Any reports? Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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