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[IBC] Super Thrive
One of the commercial members of my orchid newsgroup really did
a controlled experiment with SuperThrive and found that it does work. Iris, Did he or she write it up in any detail? As Andy W. (and others here) have written in their experiments (which showed no appreciable difference in plants treated with or without it), it is extremely difficult for a lay person to create a truly "controlled" experiment. Merely having one group of plants treated with it and another without it doesn't cut it. If it has been written up -- including procedures, etc. -- I would very much like to see it. I KNOW that despite years of horticultural folklore, Vitamin B-1 is bad for plants. S'thive allegedly contains it (certainly smells like it does). Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Chase Rosade is a believer, and, in the quantities he uses, that's an
economic decision. Bart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iris Cohen" To: Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 9:13 AM Subject: [IBC] Super Thrive One of the commercial members of my orchid newsgroup really did a controlled experiment with SuperThrive and found that it does work. Iris, Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40 "If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming train." Robert Lowell (1917-1977) ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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One of the commercial members of my orchid newsgroup really did a controlled experiment with SuperThrive and found that it does work. Iris, Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40 "If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming train." Robert Lowell (1917-1977) Chase Rosade is a believer, and, in the quantities he uses, that's an economic decision. Bart Lots of people are 'believers' (in a variety of things). Belief doesn't make it a fact. (Tho in medicine, there is strong evidence that a certain amount of belief can have a certain amount of healing power.) I tend (in most things) to prefer scientific evidence. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Hi Jim Lewis,
I KNOW that despite years of horticultural folklore, Vitamin B-1 is bad for plants. Can you tell me why? Only curious :-) If you want to... you can be technical about it ;-) Pedro A.Pereira Portugal -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Jim Lewis wrote:
snip Chase Rosade is a believer, and, in the quantities he uses, that's an economic decision. Bart Lots of people are 'believers' (in a variety of things). Belief doesn't make it a fact. (Tho in medicine, there is strong evidence that a certain amount of belief can have a certain amount of healing power.) I tend (in most things) to prefer scientific evidence. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden Hoo boy--this is bordering on my home turf! Text for this week is John 20:19-31--"Doubting" or as I prefer to call him, "Believing Thomas." Come to church at 11:15, Jim. We can talk bonsai later. You can come visit my Eastern White Pine. 80} Rev. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Vitamin B-1 is bad for plants.
How do you know? Iris, Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40 "If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming train." Robert Lowell (1917-1977) |
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Michael Persiano wrote:
would appear at Superthrive has some value, I can state that Root2 liquid produces extraordinary root growth, especially when used with fast-draining soils. Yes, but very fast draining soils alone are able to promote this kind of growth. Questions: -Could you point me to any controlled experiment using roots2 or similar? -For improve growth as a whole, there is an interest to improve root growth if this is the limiting factor. Is it the case? Regards, alain -- http://brezhonegbev.free.fr Brezhoneg ar vro vigoudenn war ar rouedad |
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Michael, do you have a vender/source Roots 2?? Thank you,randi sharprichmond, va
Michael Persiano wrote:In a message dated 4/24/2003 8:13:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: One of the commercial members of my orchid newsgroup really did a controlled experiment with SuperThrive and found that it does work. Well, I am not going to open old wounds. What I will say is that while it would appear at Superthrive has some value, I can state that Root2 liquid produces extraordinary root growth, especially when used with fast-draining soils. If I had to choose one, it would be Roots. FWIW and cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com/iasnob/index.html ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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David at DaSu Bonsai sells roots 2 products. I
beleive it is bonsaitrees.com I am trying them out for the first time this spring. Ben __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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In a message dated 4/24/2003 6:39:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes:
Michael, do you have a vender/source Roots 2?? Thank you,randi sharprichmond, va. Randi: 800-342-6173. ROOTSinc Sales, Manufacturing, Administration: 3120 Weatherford Road, Independence MO 64055. ROOTSinc Research Center: 291 Whitney Ave., New Haven CT 06511 BE ADVISED: YOU WILL NEED ROOT PRUNE YOUR BONSAI MUCH MORE FREQUENTLY IF YOU USE THIS PRODUCT. Cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com/iasnob/index.html ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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I'm a scientist, so like Jim I tend to want to see real hard evidence before
I'm convinced of anything. I use Superthrive because it was recommended when I started out and I haven't had the nerve to try repotting without. Having said that, I am pretty convinced there is something to be said for Superthrive, but not based on anything I've seen with my bonsai. I had a rambling rose in the garden which for two years was a pitiful sight. In a last ditch attempt to rescue it, I tipped a bucket of water containing superthrive on it. Within a week it looked better than it ever had before,within 3 weeks it was blooming beautifully. The plant prior to this had produced buds but few opened. I did the same with a sick looking pyracantha last year and got very similar results. Now this isn't a controlled experiment, but in the absence of real data, observations made on individual subjects are often the only way we can come to any sort of conclusion. I've seen enough to make me feel there is something in there that works, what it is or how it does it I have no idea, and I have no idea if this can be transferred to the types of species often seen as bonsai. Jim is correct that Vitamin B1 may harm trees, so can anything in the wrong amounts, even water! However at the low levels used, who is to say what the real effect is? Regards Mike Bennett. UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lewis" To: Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 3:06 PM Subject: [IBC] Super Thrive One of the commercial members of my orchid newsgroup really did a controlled experiment with SuperThrive and found that it does work. Iris, Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40 "If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming train." Robert Lowell (1917-1977) Chase Rosade is a believer, and, in the quantities he uses, that's an economic decision. Bart Lots of people are 'believers' (in a variety of things). Belief doesn't make it a fact. (Tho in medicine, there is strong evidence that a certain amount of belief can have a certain amount of healing power.) I tend (in most things) to prefer scientific evidence. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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I'm with you, Jim. Give me just the facts, let me draw my own
conclusion. Doubting Dan Brinker -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Craig Cowing Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 11:37 AM To: Subject: [IBC] Super Thrive Jim Lewis wrote: snip Chase Rosade is a believer, and, in the quantities he uses, that's an economic decision. Bart Lots of people are 'believers' (in a variety of things). Belief doesn't make it a fact. (Tho in medicine, there is strong evidence that a certain amount of belief can have a certain amount of healing power.) I tend (in most things) to prefer scientific evidence. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden Hoo boy--this is bordering on my home turf! Text for this week is John 20:19-31--"Doubting" or as I prefer to call him, "Believing Thomas." Come to church at 11:15, Jim. We can talk bonsai later. You can come visit my Eastern White Pine. 80} Rev. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a ************************************************** ********************** ******** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ********************** ******** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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