[IBC] Is this a Bonsai.
Fellow enthusiasts for Bonsai.
If you saw a beautiful picture on eBay and it was described as a "STUNNING BONSAI" schefflera and it arrived and turned out to be just a big plant that had cut off branches as thick as your index finger from which were sprouted small branches, would you call this a Bonsai? When I complained about what I bought he responded "Bonsai stems from two japanese words that mean potted plant." He claims that this big, cut-back plant in a small pot is a Bonsai. Please help me with definitions that I can send to him to rebut his statement. Strong negative feedback to eBay is pending your assistance. Thanks for the help. Mark R. Ensign Amarillo, Texas ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Is this a Bonsai.
Mark,
No matter what the outcome I suggest that you leave very strong negative feedback. Unfortunately there are some bad people out there and that makes it hard for everyone. I don't think you can do anything about it, you might try someone higher up at Ebay. I personally feel that what you described is not a bonsai. From all I have read and all the pictures I have seen, this does not fit the bill. While bonsai does have "small pot" in it's meaning, it is my opinion that it means "small tree in pot". I think this is somebody's get rich quick scheme. Be sure you take pictures of your "tree" while it is still healthy and keep a picture diary of the poor thing. Most "mallsai" is just what you have described. Chopped all over including chopped roots. This means that it will probably die soon. "Mark R. Ensign" wrote: Fellow enthusiasts for Bonsai. If you saw a beautiful picture on eBay and it was described as a "STUNNING BONSAI" schefflera and it arrived and turned out to be just a big plant that had cut off branches as thick as your index finger from which were sprouted small branches, would you call this a Bonsai? When I complained about what I bought he responded "Bonsai stems from two japanese words that mean potted plant." He claims that this big, cut-back plant in a small pot is a Bonsai. Please help me with definitions that I can send to him to rebut his statement. Strong negative feedback to eBay is pending your assistance. Thanks for the help. Mark R. Ensign Amarillo, Texas ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Is this a Bonsai.
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" When I complained about what I bought he responded "Bonsai stems from two japanese words that mean potted plant." He claims that this big, cut-back plant in a small pot is a Bonsai." eBay does not make it too easy but look around the help section and try to find "Safe Harbor" or any links pointing to settling disputes. There may be some help within this area for you, but no guarantee. You can leave a negative, or a neutral response but remember you are limited to about 80 spaces, letters or characters. Can you fully explain the response in limited space? I'd pursue it but withold the response as long as possible, pending a resolve from seller or eBay. Good Luck, Olde Hippie -- to reply direct remove number from addy "Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts will" "I prefer to perambulate to the tempo of a different percussionist" "Stupidity is believing much, while understanding little" ....Charles A. Meyers |
[IBC] Is this a Bonsai.
Hi Mark
I agree with you even a geranium in a bonsai pot could be defined a " bonsai" if one is so dishonest to say that it is true.. if I compare what i sow 25 years ago in the market and what we find now I would say that what we find now are mere plants potted in a bonsai pot .. and anything more than that .. but useless to start a a crusade .. but you are right Theo "Mark R. Ensign" wrote: Fellow enthusiasts for Bonsai. If you saw a beautiful picture on eBay and it was described as a "STUNNING BONSAI" schefflera and it arrived and turned out to be just a big plant that had cut off branches as thick as your index finger from which were sprouted small branches, would you call this a Bonsai? When I complained about what I bought he responded "Bonsai stems from two japanese words that mean potted plant." He claims that this big, cut-back plant in a small pot is a Bonsai. Please help me with definitions that I can send to him to rebut his statement. Strong negative feedback to eBay is pending your assistance. Thanks for the help. Mark R. Ensign Amarillo, Texas ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- |
[IBC] Is this a Bonsai.
While I agree that the seller is being dishonest in portraying this
plant as "STUNNING BONSAI", his argument is not really flawed, just debatable. His target market are probably people that aren't that knowledgeable about bonsai and they could think this plant stunning, until they saw a proper bonsai. "The Essentials of Bonsai" by the Editors of Shufunomoto has this in the intro "A bon is a tray or salver, sai is a dependant noun meaning "grow", and the word bonsai means something growing in a shallow container, a tree in a pot." Later in the same book they make bonsai from herbs and grasses, things that we define as accent plantings. There does seem to be room for movement in the definition. Anyone buying anything from a marketplace like eBay MUST make absolutely certain that they know exactly what they are purchasing. Study those photo's, if they aren't detailed enough email the vendor and ask for more pictures. Study the vendor's rating. The buyer must beware. If you do feel that you have been duped, then a threat to make complaint in his ratings may persuade him to refund your money. I have seen complaints rubbished by the seller though and people keep buying from them. I've yet to find anything that I considered enough of a bargain for me to risk buying from eBay. Good luck Kev Bailey Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales "Mark R. Ensign" wrote: Fellow enthusiasts for Bonsai. If you saw a beautiful picture on eBay and it was described as a "STUNNING BONSAI" schefflera and it arrived and turned out to be just a big plant that had cut off branches as thick as your index finger from which were sprouted small branches, would you call this a Bonsai? When I complained about what I bought he responded "Bonsai stems from two japanese words that mean potted plant." He claims that this big, cut-back plant in a small pot is a Bonsai. Please help me with definitions that I can send to him to rebut his statement. Strong negative feedback to eBay is pending your assistance. Thanks for the help. Mark R. Ensign Amarillo, Texas ************************************************** ********************** ******** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ********************** ******** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- ************************************************** ********************** ******** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ********************** ******** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/2003 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Is this a Bonsai.
Anyone buying anything from a marketplace like eBay MUST make absolutely certain that they know exactly what they are purchasing. Study those photo's, if they aren't detailed enough email the vendor and ask for more pictures. Study the vendor's rating. The buyer must beware. If you do feel that you have been duped, then a threat to make complaint in his ratings may persuade him to refund your money. I have seen complaints rubbished by the seller though and people keep buying from them. I've yet to find anything that I considered enough of a bargain for me to risk buying from eBay. Good luck And ditto for me. I don't think you can get him on his definition. Literally he is accurate. There's an assumed "artistic" (or at least "attractive") in front of the word "tree" in "tree-in-a-pot" but beauty is in the eye of the beholder (as I think Billy stated). I will repeat what I have said befo E-Bay is a damned poor place to purchase bonsai (and, frankly, bonsai appurtenances, like pots or tools) unless you KNOW who you are buying from -- and that's almost "know" in the Biblical sense ;-). I've looked, but have never bought -- and don't think I've missed much that was worthwhile. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Is this a Bonsai.
If what you got was NOT what was in the picture, and they did not warn
you about that, then you have a beef. Honestly, I think you probably got what you paid for, unless you paid more than $35 or so. "Real bonsai" like what this list is dedicated to helping people with ... is not cost-effective at a price much lower than $50 even when mass-produced. What you got was a cutting from a commercial greenhouse in a pretty pot. I can find those at KMart and Home Depot for $15-$30 depending on how big it is and how nice the pot. The pot is likely worth more than the plant. Now be sure to get the glued rocks off of it and get it outside in the shade pronto ... and caveat emptor ! (Billy M. Rhodes) wrote in message ... In a message dated 7/24/2003 10:20:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: If you saw a beautiful picture on eBay and it was described as a "STUNNING BONSAI" schefflera and it arrived and turned out to be just a big plant that had cut off branches as thick as your index finger from which were sprouted small branches, would you call this a Bonsai? Do you think the plant has Bonsai potential? Bonsai's are frequently designed from big plants with larger branches that are cut off to create ramification (smaller branches) Members of the list have frequently conceded that Bonsai is in the eye of the beholder. It is unfortunate when one gives money based upon someone elses beholding. Henry VIII married his 5th wife Anne of Clives based upon a painting by Hans Holben (sp). When she arrived in England, Henry was not happy and the marriage ended quickly but Anne kept her head. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Is this a Bonsai.
Members of the list have frequently conceded that Bonsai is in the eye of
the beholder. It is unfortunate when one gives money based upon someone else's beholding. Henry VIII married his 5th wife Anne of Clives based upon a painting by Hans Holben (sp). When she arrived in England, Henry was not happy and the marriage ended quickly but Anne kept her head. Billy on the Florida Space Coast OK Craig, I stand corrected. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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