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[IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves
Folks,
I was at our local "Safety Store" the other day and got some great #5 welding gogles for looking at kiln firing cones ( finally I can see them) . While I was there I got looking at Kevlar and other gloves for carving protection. That left hand is always vulnerable while power wood carving and has been knicked in more than one instance. The owner recommended the stainless steel thread gloves ( reeee eally fine wire covered with synthetic yarn) over the Kevlar and says most butchers and wood carvers around here use them. Dexterity was pretty darn good. Sold as ambidextrous single gloves about $8.95. I got one. I also bought a pair of Kevlar to try. They are much cheaper at about $4.00 for a PAIR ( even though both gloves are ambidextrous), thinner and even better dexterity. You can get the Kevlar with or without the tiny neoprene (?) "sticky dots" all over them which come on a coarser weaved glove.. Although they grip like an octopus I think they lose some dexterity. I seem to remember seeing Ernie using some Kevlar gloves somewhere. If so, How do you like them Ernie? I was bothered by a safety note on the stainless steel cloth gloves warning against using with "Moving or toothed cutters"..... Oh Heck! They weren't talking to me! :) I rationalized that the cutters I use aren't really "Toothed" so would probably not snag on them or the Kevlar knit. Regards, Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com Specializing in power wood carving tools. Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves
Dale,
Let us know how the gloves work. This would be a very nice safety feature. Jerry Meislik Whitefish Montana USA Zone 4-5 http://www.bonsaihunk.8m.com/ I seem to remember seeing Ernie using some Kevlar gloves somewhere. If so, How do you like them Ernie? I was bothered by a safety note on the stainless steel cloth gloves warning against using with "Moving or toothed cutters"..... Oh Heck! They weren't talking to me! :) I rationalized that the cutters I use aren't really "Toothed" so would probably not snag on them or the Kevlar knit. Regards, Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves
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From: "Jerry Meislik" Subject: [IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves Dale, Let us know how the gloves work. This would be a very nice safety feature. Jerry Meislik Jerry, I think I'll need to shove my hand into a working cutter before I can let you know!! Ha! Dale ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Meislik" Subject: [IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves Dale, Let us know how the gloves work. This would be a very nice safety feature. Jerry Meislik Jerry, I think I'll need to shove my hand into a working cutter before I can let you know!! Ha! Dale ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves
Friends:
I am not an advocate of wearing gloves while using high-speed carving tools. Even if the cutter does not have teeth, the exceedingly high spinning attachments can easily connect with a glove and draw your hand or fingers into the cutting/spinning mechanism. The result can be quite painful and damaging. Beyond the potential for injury that results from wearing gloves, I find that I simply lose the connection between myself and the tree. I need to feel the action of the carving tool to create the desired effect. Gloves seem to construct a barrier for me in this sense. Regardless, gloves will not eliminate the potential for injury. My recommendation is that you ALWAYS use a power pedal to control the speed of the tool. If something happens, one can readily stop the power tool. You will find that virtually all power tools will work via a universal power pedal. Such a pedal can be ordered from Dale and numerous manufacturers. Cordially, Michael Persiano http://members.aol.com/iasnob/index.html ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves
So what's the result?
Jerry Meislik Whitefish Montana USA Zone 4-5 http://www.bonsaihunk.8m.com/ Dale, Let us know how the gloves work. This would be a very nice safety feature. Jerry Meislik Jerry, I think I'll need to shove my hand into a working cutter before I can let you know!! Ha! Dale ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves
As a "sometimes" wood butcher, I have been saved on numerous occasions by these kind of things. The stainless steel/kevlar yarn works very nicely as long as you do not put the point of your knife or small gouge through the weave. One small tip tho, These gloves are also sold in fishing gear shops as fish cleaning gloves. there was a substantial difference in the price at the time. Ted the plant killer :( In article 026301c3b84b$eabfc440$0430fea9@dalespc, dalecochoy wrote: Folks, I was at our local "Safety Store" the other day and got some great #5 welding gogles for looking at kiln firing cones ( finally I can see them) . While I was there I got looking at Kevlar and other gloves for carving protection. That left hand is always vulnerable while power wood carving and has been knicked in more than one instance. The owner recommended the stainless steel thread gloves ( reeeeeally fine wire covered with synthetic yarn) over the Kevlar and says most butchers and wood carvers around here use them. Dexterity was pretty darn good. Sold as ambidextrous single gloves about $8.95. I got one. I also bought a pair of Kevlar to try. They are much cheaper at about $4.00 for a PAIR ( even though both gloves are ambidextrous), thinner and even better dexterity. You can get the Kevlar with or without the tiny neoprene (?) "sticky dots" all over them which come on a coarser weaved glove.. Although they grip like an octopus I think they lose some dexterity. I seem to remember seeing Ernie using some Kevlar gloves somewhere. If so, How do you like them Ernie? I was bothered by a safety note on the stainless steel cloth gloves warning against using with "Moving or toothed cutters"..... Oh Heck! They weren't talking to me! :) I rationalized that the cutters I use aren't really "Toothed" so would probably not snag on them or the Kevlar knit. Regards, Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com Specializing in power wood carving tools. Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware ************************************************* ******************************* ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************* ******************************* -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves
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From: "Jerry Meislik" Subject: [IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves So what's the result? Jerry Meislik Ha! Jerry, Give me some time to do some "day-dreaming" while I'm carving! :) Dale Dale, Let us know how the gloves work. This would be a very nice safety feature. Jerry Meislik Jerry, I think I'll need to shove my hand into a working cutter before I can let you know!! Ha! Dale ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves
Thanks for the note Mike,
First let me ask, have you ever got a carving tool caught in a glove? I'm wondering if you actually had this experience.? Second, I wasn't praising their use, telling people it was the new "to do" thing, or even recommending it, I was just noting that I thought I'd give it a try and see, and wondered if others had experience. Again, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT, JUST THOUGHT I'D GIVE IT A TRY! I know I'm going to be sorry I even mentioned it. I shoulda just got the gloves and used them quietly :) I think you may have misunderstood the comment about ONE GLOVE. It goes of the LEFT hand ( If you are right handed) so you are not controlling the tool with a gloved hand. The tool is held in the ungloved hand. I ALWAYS recommend to beginner carvers to have a "Link" between both hands, even if touching one with your pinky, control goes WAY UP versus either holding the tool with both hands( poor control) or one hand on tool and one ( gloved) hand on the work but no contact between the two. I do LOTS of carving and thouight about the snag issue before I purchased. I finally decided that most things I use won't have that "snagability". Perhaps I'm wrong, I shall experiment. As for the peddles ala Foredoms peddle, I DON'T sell them ( I don't sell Foredoms) and rarely use my own. When I first got it I installed a few hangers around the overhead on my deck where I do most of my work. I just don't like moving it around or having it hang there. I just prefer the die grinder, each to his own. I know several people who prefer Foredom-like carvers, but , have you ever seen one used in a convention workshop?? I haven't. "Portability" causes my money to go to the die grinder over Foredom. But, if you want TWO carving setups or stations, one at home and one on-the-go and can leave your foredom setup where you usually work, then you might want to go that way. I can recommend getting a router bit speed control which your die grinder just plugs into and speed is set with a knob. They are about $40ish dollars at a good hardware store that sells power tools. But, again, I rarely use it. Most of the serious carving tools , such as "Samurai" lose a lot of effectiveness if speeds are too low. Fine-tune carving can be done with burrs or Dremel-type carvers which have variable speeds also. I REALLY recommend the DeWAlt carver over the Makita. It has that great dead-man switch, a great shape with "sticky" snout and is a better quality built machine, but, costs about $50ish more dollars. I sell both, I own a Makita ( For YEEEAARRS) . If it burns up I'll either get the Heavy Duty Makita w/ metal case or the DeWalt to Replace it. Regards, Dale Original Message ----- From: "Michael Persiano" Subject: [IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves Friends: I am not an advocate of wearing gloves while using high-speed carving tools. Even if the cutter does not have teeth, the exceedingly high spinning attachments can easily connect with a glove and draw your hand or fingers into the cutting/spinning mechanism. The result can be quite painful and damaging. Beyond the potential for injury that results from wearing gloves, I find that I simply lose the connection between myself and the tree. I need to feel the action of the carving tool to create the desired effect. Gloves seem to construct a barrier for me in this sense. Regardless, gloves will not eliminate the potential for injury. My recommendation is that you ALWAYS use a power pedal to control the speed of the tool. If something happens, one can readily stop the power tool. You will find that virtually all power tools will work via a universal power pedal. Such a pedal can be ordered from Dale and numerous manufacturers. Cordially, Michael Persiano ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves
Ted,
Thanks, Yes, I forgot to mention they are not "Pick Proof", a sharp point goes through, but knife blades won't cut through. Very important "point" eh?! :) Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "ted kell" Subject: [IBC] bonsai wood carving gloves As a "sometimes" wood butcher, I have been saved on numerous occasions by these kind of things. The stainless steel/kevlar yarn works very nicely as long as you do not put the point of your knife or small gouge through the weave. One small tip tho, These gloves are also sold in fishing gear shops as fish cleaning gloves. there was a substantial difference in the price at the time. Ted the plant killer :( ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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