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[IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves
In a message dated 3/24/2004 1:10:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: Lately; however, many of it's leaves have been turning yellow and falling off. You have given us a lot to work with as far as information is concerned. I trust you are watering less since in the cool conditions you describe the tree will not need as much water. Even Ficus nerifolia can get root rot. Just to be sure pull the plant out of the pot and check. Look at and smell the roots. Are they bright and healthy or dark and dead? Do they smell sour? The humidity tray thing is basically a myth. A tray of water under the plant can't increase the humidity in the air enough to matter. Also the Ficus doesn't have to have the humidity to survive. Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention May 28 - 31, 2004 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Sponsored by The Bonsai Society of Brevard and the Treasure Coast Bonsai Society http://www.bonsaisocietyofbrevard.org/2004/2004.html ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves
In a message dated 3/24/2004 1:10:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: Lately; however, many of it's leaves have been turning yellow and falling off. You have given us a lot to work with as far as information is concerned. I trust you are watering less since in the cool conditions you describe the tree will not need as much water. Even Ficus nerifolia can get root rot. Just to be sure pull the plant out of the pot and check. Look at and smell the roots. Are they bright and healthy or dark and dead? Do they smell sour? The humidity tray thing is basically a myth. A tray of water under the plant can't increase the humidity in the air enough to matter. Also the Ficus doesn't have to have the humidity to survive. Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention May 28 - 31, 2004 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Sponsored by The Bonsai Society of Brevard and the Treasure Coast Bonsai Society http://www.bonsaisocietyofbrevard.org/2004/2004.html ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves
I assume your talking about a willow-leaved ficus, F. neirifolia. From what
you say, you moved it from a very warm room to one that's kept at between 65F and 69F. That range is perfect for this tree. I must add that moving a tree from one location to another (especially if you did not cover it when it was enroute) could be very traumatic - especially for neirifolia. This plant is very sensitive to rapid temp. changes. The good news is that, once settled in, it can recover rapidly: even if it loses all its leaves. Patience is the key word. Marty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:44 AM Subject: [IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves
I assume your talking about a willow-leaved ficus, F. neirifolia. From what
you say, you moved it from a very warm room to one that's kept at between 65F and 69F. That range is perfect for this tree. I must add that moving a tree from one location to another (especially if you did not cover it when it was enroute) could be very traumatic - especially for neirifolia. This plant is very sensitive to rapid temp. changes. The good news is that, once settled in, it can recover rapidly: even if it loses all its leaves. Patience is the key word. Marty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:44 AM Subject: [IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves
It could be going dormant. My willow-leaf would drop its leaves every winter; I'd cut back on water until new leaves started to emerge, usually in late February. Your tree might have taken the change in environment as a cue to go dormant.
Of course, it could be a root problem. Either way, cut back on water and watch the tree carefully. As soon as temperatures get toasty, put the tree outdoors. Figs may be "indoor" bonsai, but nothing beats the great outdoors. Nina -----Original Message----- Date: Wed Mar 24 00:44:02 EST 2004 From: "Kelly" Subject: [IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves To: Hi everyone, I'm in Canada (important that you understand it's real cold here right now and has been for the past 3 months). I got my bonsai (Willow leaved) last September when I was living at University. It had it real good where I was living because I always had the heat cranked and it had a nice humidity tray and everything. It did very well. In January I moved back home. My family keeps the house freezing. I'm talking it never gets more than 69 degrees farenheit in the house. And I'm lucky if it gets that high. It's usually 66-67 here in the winter months. Anyway... I was surprised to see that with the quick change in temperature that my bonsai still seemed to be doing very well. It still has it's humidity tray and everything with the same amount of sunlight. It did well through January, through February as well. Lately; however, many of it's leaves have been turning yellow and falling off. Now I used to get the odd one changing and falling before... but now MANY are turning yellow. I would say I'm losing 5 leaves a week. Is it just that time of year where it "moults" more? Or did it just wait to show stress until now? What should I do? Thanks for any suggestions! Kelly ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ Nina Shishkoff ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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"Billy M. Rhodes" wrote in message ... Hi Billy, I trust you are watering less since in the cool conditions you describe the tree will not need as much water. Yes I am watering much less. Only when the soil gets dry to the touch. The humidity tray thing is basically a myth. A tray of water under the plant can't increase the humidity in the air enough to matter. Also the Ficus doesn't have to have the humidity to survive. I mist the tree as well.... Kelly |
[IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves
Thank you.
Kelly "marty haber" wrote in message news:001e01c411a5$e84182e0$fcc12f18@computer... I assume your talking about a willow-leaved ficus, F. neirifolia. From what you say, you moved it from a very warm room to one that's kept at between 65F and 69F. That range is perfect for this tree. I must add that moving a tree from one location to another (especially if you did not cover it when it was enroute) could be very traumatic - especially for neirifolia. This plant is very sensitive to rapid temp. changes. The good news is that, once settled in, it can recover rapidly: even if it loses all its leaves. Patience is the key word. Marty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:44 AM Subject: [IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Ken Rutledge++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves
"Nina Shishkoff" wrote in message news:12238075.1080136500285.JavaMail.webber@uporta l0... It could be going dormant. My willow-leaf would drop its leaves every winter; I'd cut back on water until new leaves started to emerge, usually in late February. Your tree might have taken the change in environment as a cue to go dormant. Of course, it could be a root problem. Either way, cut back on water and watch the tree carefully. As soon as temperatures get toasty, put the tree outdoors. Figs may be "indoor" bonsai, but nothing beats the great outdoors. Won't it be susceptible to disease outside? Kelly |
[IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves
Won't it be susceptible to disease outside?
MUCH less than inside. Trees belong outside. We bring them inside because some folks like green in the house (shudder), but MOST trees don't like it indoors. The indoor environment is very hostile -- too dry, often too hot, in the summer, air conditioning can make it too cold (and again, very dry) -- but mostly too dry, MUCH too dry. Misting and humidity trays do very little (almost nothing!) to raise the humidity. Bringing in a humidifier to raise the humidity to what the plant wants will make the indoor environment uncomfortable for YOU -- and mildew your furniture. Outside, there is sunlight, natural breezes -- and HUMIDITY (unless you live in Yuma). All trees revel in these conditions. You are much more likely to get a serious infestation of mites, aphids, scale, etc. indoors than out, because the indoor environment stresses the trees and they don't have the resources to fight back, AND because natural predators are not present. As for diseases, the sunlight, wind, and rain help keep many fungus diseases at bay -- though watering the leaves (as in rain) _can_ promote others. However, the same applies indoors when you water your plants. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Won't it be susceptible to disease outside? Kelly Absolutely not. The hotter and sunnier it is, the happier the fig is, and the better it is able to fight off disease. Figs aren't native to the Northern United States, so they have few pests or diseases. Mites and scale insects, mostly. Mites aren't a problem outdoors and ladybugs will take care of the scale insects! Nina. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Thank you and everyone else for your help!
Kelly "Jim Lewis" wrote in message news:009d01c411bb$d1adc780$5c112cc7@pavilion... Won't it be susceptible to disease outside? MUCH less than inside. Trees belong outside. We bring them inside because some folks like green in the house (shudder), but MOST trees don't like it indoors. The indoor environment is very hostile -- too dry, often too hot, in the summer, air conditioning can make it too cold (and again, very dry) -- but mostly too dry, MUCH too dry. Misting and humidity trays do very little (almost nothing!) to raise the humidity. Bringing in a humidifier to raise the humidity to what the plant wants will make the indoor environment uncomfortable for YOU -- and mildew your furniture. Outside, there is sunlight, natural breezes -- and HUMIDITY (unless you live in Yuma). All trees revel in these conditions. You are much more likely to get a serious infestation of mites, aphids, scale, etc. indoors than out, because the indoor environment stresses the trees and they don't have the resources to fight back, AND because natural predators are not present. As for diseases, the sunlight, wind, and rain help keep many fungus diseases at bay -- though watering the leaves (as in rain) _can_ promote others. However, the same applies indoors when you water your plants. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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In a message dated 3/24/2004 11:17:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: I mist the tree as well.... Kelly Please don't. That tends to keep the top of the soil wet and the lower area where the roots are too dry. I did a post mortem and another Ficus for a coworker over the weekend. It was being misted. The top 1/3 of the soil was very wet, the next 1/3 was bone dry, and the bottom 1/3 was damp. The tree was dead. Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention May 28 - 31, 2004 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Sponsored by The Bonsai Society of Brevard and the Treasure Coast Bonsai Society http://www.bonsaisocietyofbrevard.org/2004/2004.html ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves
In a message dated 3/24/2004 11:17:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: I mist the tree as well.... Kelly Please don't. That tends to keep the top of the soil wet and the lower area where the roots are too dry. I did a post mortem and another Ficus for a coworker over the weekend. It was being misted. The top 1/3 of the soil was very wet, the next 1/3 was bone dry, and the bottom 1/3 was damp. The tree was dead. Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention May 28 - 31, 2004 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Sponsored by The Bonsai Society of Brevard and the Treasure Coast Bonsai Society http://www.bonsaisocietyofbrevard.org/2004/2004.html ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves
In a message dated 3/24/2004 11:17:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: I mist the tree as well.... Kelly Please don't. That tends to keep the top of the soil wet and the lower area where the roots are too dry. I did a post mortem and another Ficus for a coworker over the weekend. It was being misted. The top 1/3 of the soil was very wet, the next 1/3 was bone dry, and the bottom 1/3 was damp. The tree was dead. Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention May 28 - 31, 2004 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Sponsored by The Bonsai Society of Brevard and the Treasure Coast Bonsai Society http://www.bonsaisocietyofbrevard.org/2004/2004.html ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves
In a message dated 3/24/2004 11:17:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: I mist the tree as well.... Kelly Please don't. That tends to keep the top of the soil wet and the lower area where the roots are too dry. I did a post mortem and another Ficus for a coworker over the weekend. It was being misted. The top 1/3 of the soil was very wet, the next 1/3 was bone dry, and the bottom 1/3 was damp. The tree was dead. Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention May 28 - 31, 2004 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Sponsored by The Bonsai Society of Brevard and the Treasure Coast Bonsai Society http://www.bonsaisocietyofbrevard.org/2004/2004.html ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Amen, Billy. A lot of people think occasional misting will make up for
dry indoor air. It doesn't. All it does is create a fine layer of moisture which is perfect for developing bacteria and mold. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- I mist the tree as well.... Kelly Please don't. That tends to keep the top of the soil wet and the lower area where the roots are too dry. I did a post mortem and another Ficus for a coworker over the weekend. It was being misted. The top 1/3 of the soil was very wet, the next 1/3 was bone dry, and the bottom 1/3 was damp. The tree was dead. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Amen, Billy. A lot of people think occasional misting will make up for
dry indoor air. It doesn't. All it does is create a fine layer of moisture which is perfect for developing bacteria and mold. Alan Walker I'd estimate that 99% of the people who contact me with indoor bonsai problems mist their trees. And I always explain to them that it has no effect on relative humidity in their house. Earlier today someone was having problems with a tree that they misted with softened water (i.e., water treated with high amounts of ionic sodium). I told them to STOP. Some days I'd just like to ban indoor bonsai. The longer I do bonsai, the more I notice that my indoor trees are just houseplants with pretensions. Nina ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Gee Nina:, Ban Tropicals???????????? :-[
I have tried to keep quiet about having tropical indoors. I absolutely agree with you and Jim Lewis about people (like me) who want green in their homes, however, I took an unused deck, enclosed it, and it became my "Tree House". My entrance is through my living room! When the temperature out doors is below freezing, I spend several wonderful hours every winter day playing with my tropical. To see my Bougainvillea's, Fukien Tea and even my Serissa blooming in the winter is worth the effort of having an oscillating fan, humidifier, and two heaters going 24/7. They are flourishing and keep me happily pinching and pruning all my trees, especially my Brazilian Rain Trees. The flip side of all my playtime are the walls and windows drip moisture (from the humidifier) There is some sort of green mold on the walls near the floor, which gets cleaned in the spring, (it wouldn't be very nice in the home). When the tempweratures go down into the teens, the windows are painted by Jack Frost, an especially enjoyable sight tobehold! But all in all, I'll take the tropical and sub tropical over all other (outdoor trees :-( ) Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7 http://bmee.net/rosner http://www.jamesbaird.com/cgi-bin/Ja...d=00000068 48 http://www.jamesbaird.com/cgi-bin/Ja...d=00000068 48 Nina Shishkoff wrote: Amen, Billy. A lot of people think occasional misting will make up for dry indoor air. It doesn't. All it does is create a fine layer of moisture which is perfect for developing bacteria and mold. Alan Walker I'd estimate that 99% of the people who contact me with indoor bonsai problems mist their trees. And I always explain to them that it has no effect on relative humidity in their house. Earlier today someone was having problems with a tree that they misted with softened water (i.e., water treated with high amounts of ionic sodium). I told them to STOP. Some days I'd just like to ban indoor bonsai. The longer I do bonsai, the more I notice that my indoor trees are just houseplants with pretensions. Nina ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Gee Nina:, Ban Tropicals???????????? :-[
I exempt people like you from the ban. Nina. People like me should not be allowed to have tropicals. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves
Gee Nina:, Ban Tropicals???????????? :-[
I exempt people like you from the ban. Nina. People like me should not be allowed to have tropicals. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves
Gee Nina:, Ban Tropicals???????????? :-[
I exempt people like you from the ban. Nina. People like me should not be allowed to have tropicals. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves
Gee Nina:, Ban Tropicals???????????? :-[
I exempt people like you from the ban. Nina. People like me should not be allowed to have tropicals. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] willow leaf bonsai dropping leaves
Gee Nina:, Ban Tropicals???????????? :-[
I exempt people like you from the ban. Nina. People like me should not be allowed to have tropicals. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Phew! Thanks, Nina! :-D
Nina Shishkoff wrote: Gee Nina:, Ban Tropicals???????????? :-[ I exempt people like you from the ban. Nina. People like me should not be allowed to have tropicals. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Phew! Thanks, Nina! :-D
Nina Shishkoff wrote: Gee Nina:, Ban Tropicals???????????? :-[ I exempt people like you from the ban. Nina. People like me should not be allowed to have tropicals. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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I have one myself for quite some time. When I moved it dropped all it's leaves. hey all grew back. Just keep keep the soil from drying out It should show new leaves soon.
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