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[IBC] Lower branches on Trident Maple.
Hi All
I have a trident maple with a really nicely tapered trunk, however all my branches are currently on the top third of the trunk.How do i go about encouraging lower branches or do i have to cut all branches off and start from scratch. Regards Willem Carstens Johannesburg,South Africa. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
We have the same problem. I chopped off the branches, hoping that they
grow back more thicker, but alas, they now looked bald. but if you want to try it. good luck! |
you could try thread grafting to solve your problem.
keith wrote in message ups.com... We have the same problem. I chopped off the branches, hoping that they grow back more thicker, but alas, they now looked bald. but if you want to try it. good luck! |
Hi Willem
Willem Carstens wrote: Hi All I have a trident maple with a really nicely tapered trunk, however all my branches are currently on the top third of the trunk.How do i go about encouraging lower branches or do i have to cut all branches off and start from scratch. put it in a container a wooden box 4 fingers deep and the size to contain comfortably your tree probably 50 cm x 40 cm drill some holes for drainage and put the trident in it with a good soil eitehr akadama or a regular soil 1/3 clay sand and black loam and leave it tehre for 2 years the third clip a little bit the roots and leave 2 more yares in the box during this time keep control of the apex but leave theh lower branches grow from spring to autumn & cut them in autumn the size you need and leave thehm grow again the follwing year same , business and you'll have the low branches thicker more furnished and the trunk still tapered and thicker as well you can do the same making instead of a wooden box a round box t just with metallic grid 3x3 mm holes, roots will not get over the holes and you will not risk to have rot rots , an excellent drainage and air circulation but of course according your climate survay evaporation it is higher than in a wooden box or pot Regards Willem Carstens Johannesburg,South Africa. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
I realize that South Africa is a large country with a variety of
weather/climate conditions, BUT I wouldn't think a Trident Maple would ever be happy there. Billy on the Florida Space Coast Yes, here in Johannesburg they do fine.You need to keep them in semi shade during summer to prevent leaf burn but other than that they are ok.However Johannesburg is alot milder than some other places in the country and it gets cold enough(just) in winter to cause maples to go into dormancy.We even have them as street trees. Regards Willem Carstens Johannesburg South Africa. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
One way of dealing with the problem is to wire the lowest branches down.
It's difficult, because maples tend to have rather brittle wood. One procedure is to cut a notch on the bottom of the crotch where the branch meets the trunk before applying the wire. Then apply cut paste to the wound and close the gap by wiring the branch down. Another technique is to wrap wet rattan or tape tightly around the branch before wiring it. This keeps the cambium from separating from the heart wood. The main idea is to get the end of the branch as low as possible, because this to where the viewer's eye is attracted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willem Carstens" To: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:53 AM Subject: [IBC] Lower branches on Trident Maple. Hi All I have a trident maple with a really nicely tapered trunk, however all my branches are currently on the top third of the trunk.How do i go about encouraging lower branches or do i have to cut all branches off and start from scratch. Regards Willem Carstens Johannesburg,South Africa. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Keith wrote: you could try thread grafting to solve your problem. keith possible but it takes 2 years to take hold , if takes hold ,and after you need to built them anyway so = 4 years MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
Billy M. Rhodes wrote: I realize that South Africa is a large country with a variety of weather/climate conditions, BUT I wouldn't think a Trident Maple would ever be happy there. Trident are hardy and South Africa especially if on the sea coast has a wonderful climate MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
Willem Carstens wrote: I realize that South Africa is a large country with a variety of weather/climate conditions, BUT I wouldn't think a Trident Maple would ever be happy there. Billy on the Florida Space Coast Yes, here in Johannesburg they do fine.You need to keep them in semi shade during summer to prevent leaf burn but other than that they are ok.However Johannesburg is alot milder than some other places in the country and it gets cold enough(just) in winter to cause maples to go into dormancy.We even have them as street trees. Like in Japan as bushe garden too Regards Willem Carstens Johannesburg South Africa. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
Hi Willem
sorry I did not read properly your mail ,yes thread grafting is the best solution Trident wood is very hard so beware when you pierce not to burn the wookd and bark read instructions well than start already now to leave nice valid branches to grow straight and long and you will graft in next spring 06 unless you already have long and flexibles thin branches available now and can do next spring 05 I did on a deshojo 2 years ago in sept was not the right moment and was my first one , and it grew wonderfully, I with aeparate this spring Theo Willem Carstens wrote: Hi All I have a trident maple with a really nicely tapered trunk, however all my branches are currently on the top third of the trunk.How do i go about encouraging lower branches or do i have to cut all branches off and start from scratch. Regards Willem Carstens Johannesburg,South Africa. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
On 11 Feb 2005 at 14:53, Theo wrote:
Keith wrote: you could try thread grafting to solve your problem. keith possible but it takes 2 years to take hold , if takes hold ,and after you need to built them anyway so = 4 years In My book, grafting is the cure of last resort. It is only worthwhile on a tree with EXCEPTIONAL promise, and if you have to graft a large number of branches, how do you know the tree has promise? Sometimes if you nick the bark all the way through the cambium layer -- using a very sharp knife -- that will stimulate buds developing just over the nick. It sounds to me, however, that this tree needs so much work that you'd be much better off planting it in the ground and letting it go wild for a few years. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Pinching back from the upper most portion of the tree can encourage it to
push out new growth lower down the trunk SteveW Long Island NY ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
When you want to force growth from the trunk at a lower point on some trees,
you remove the upper most apex of the tree. this sends some sort of signal to the rest of the tree to push out new growth in an effort for the tree to establish a new apex. Once you remove a portion of the apex the tree will push out new growth all over he tree. then is just a matter of picking the new growth you want. Trident Maples respond very well to this method. of course then you have to establish the desired branch to achieve a thickness greater than the ones above it. Trident is a great tree to work with for this reason. It responds well to the general rules of pruning and pinching SteveW Long Island NY ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
On 11 Feb 2005 at 10:10, Steven Wachs wrote:
When you want to force growth from the trunk at a lower point on some trees, you remove the upper most apex of the tree. this sends some sort of signal to the rest of the tree to push out new growth in an effort for the tree to establish a new apex. Once you remove a portion of the apex the tree will push out new growth all over he tree. then is just a matter of picking the new growth you want. Trident Maples respond very well to this method. of course then you have to establish the desired branch to achieve a thickness greater than the ones above it. Trident is a great tree to work with for this reason. It responds well to the general rules of pruning and pinching Before I "removed" an apex, assuming I liked it, I'd merely try total defoliation on the topmost part of the tree, Jim Lewis - - Hit THINK before you hit SEND -- AND PLEASE SNIP POSTS! ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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