[IBC] One Last Time--Sealants
 

In a message dated 3/5/2005 7:06:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:
As mentioned in replies to your original message. Very few tree surgeons are
now using sealants and pastes due to fear of encouraging disease.
I personally do not use anything, and have never had a problem. Be sure to
make any cuts not hold water from rain, dew, your cutting tool whatever it
may be is clean and sharp and my guess is you will never have a problem.



Group:

Our bonsai friend from down under has provided sound advise about dealing
with wounds. Major wounds resulting from trunk chops can hold water and promote
decay if they have not been cut at the proper angle. As for the aesthetic
manipulation of the wound site, carving can become part of the solution.

There are many schools of thought surrounding the application of sealants. I
have never seen any of my trees incur a fungus because a cut paste or putty
was applied. I have seen the positive effects ranging from stopping the
undesirable flow of sap in Maples and Pines with a cut paste to the accelerated the
healing of wounds on Elms, Boxwoods, Hornbeams, and Pines with cut putty.

The aesthetics of bonsai should also enter into consideration when applying
sealants. For this reason, I often rebark the site where the sealant has been
applied. This is accomplished by shaving bark from the pruned branch and
pressing it onto the sealant.

Cordially,

Michael Persiano
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In a message dated 3/6/2005 11:13:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:
Thanks Michael

Can you please elaborate on your "rebark" technique ?
Does this bark patch continue to live, or does it die off ?

Mark Hill - Harrisburg, PA
Mark:

This is purely a cosmetic process. After applying the cut paste or putty, I
press thin piece of bark onto the sealant. It works quite nicely as a
disguise.

BTW: As many of you probably know, many of the Japanese sealants contain
fungicides.

Cordially,

Michael

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Thanks again Michael

I'm assuming the piece of bark you apply never actually lives.
I was just wondering if one could apply a piece of bark something like a
skin graft in humans by cutting off a piece of bark and applying it directly
onto the wound, then applying sealant over top of it.

Sounds possible in theory !

Mark

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In a message dated 3/6/2005 11:13:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

Thanks Michael

Can you please elaborate on your "rebark" technique ?
Does this bark patch continue to live, or does it die off ?

Mark Hill - Harrisburg, PA

Mark:

This is purely a cosmetic process. After applying the cut paste or putty, I
press thin piece of bark onto the sealant. It works quite nicely as a
disguise.

BTW: As many of you probably know, many of the Japanese sealants contain
fungicides.

Cordially,

Michael

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Nice idea, but it won't work. Human skin ( actually sub-derma) is live,
while tree bark isn't. Actually the only "live" material in a tree is a
layer only one cell wide which lies between the bark and the underlying
wood. In order to make a graft, you would have to cut piece deep enough to
include that live layer and then match it up with the existing layer on the
cut branch. Big job with small gain.
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From: "Mark Hill"
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Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: [IBC] One Last Time--Sealants


Thanks again Michael

I'm assuming the piece of bark you apply never actually lives.
I was just wondering if one could apply a piece of bark something like a
skin graft in humans by cutting off a piece of bark and applying it
directly
onto the wound, then applying sealant over top of it.

Sounds possible in theory !

Mark

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Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:10 PM
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Subject: [IBC] One Last Time--Sealants


In a message dated 3/6/2005 11:13:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

Thanks Michael

Can you please elaborate on your "rebark" technique ?
Does this bark patch continue to live, or does it die off ?

Mark Hill - Harrisburg, PA

Mark:

This is purely a cosmetic process. After applying the cut paste or putty,
I
press thin piece of bark onto the sealant. It works quite nicely as a
disguise.

BTW: As many of you probably know, many of the Japanese sealants contain
fungicides.

Cordially,

Michael

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Hello

Marty Haber wrote:

Nice idea, but it won't work. Human skin ( actually sub-derma) is live,
while tree bark isn't. Actually the only "live" material in a tree is a
layer only one cell wide which lies between the bark and the underlying
wood. In order to make a graft, you would have to cut piece deep enough
to include that live layer and then match it up with the existing layer
on the cut branch. Big job with small gain.

I always use sealants , are excellent to avoid cambium decay ,
bark grafting as skin transplantation in humans, does not work or
can be done only if cells match perfectly as for grafting and a part
of them is still connected to the main trunk to be nourished and kept
alive... like in thread grafting
Mathias


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To:
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: [IBC] One Last Time--Sealants


Thanks again Michael

I'm assuming the piece of bark you apply never actually lives.
I was just wondering if one could apply a piece of bark something like a
skin graft in humans by cutting off a piece of bark and applying it
directly
onto the wound, then applying sealant over top of it.

Sounds possible in theory !

Mark

_____

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Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:10 PM
To: ;
Subject: [IBC] One Last Time--Sealants


In a message dated 3/6/2005 11:13:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

Thanks Michael

Can you please elaborate on your "rebark" technique ?
Does this bark patch continue to live, or does it die off ?

Mark Hill - Harrisburg, PA

Mark:

This is purely a cosmetic process. After applying the cut paste or
putty, I
press thin piece of bark onto the sealant. It works quite nicely as a
disguise.

BTW: As many of you probably know, many of the Japanese sealants contain
fungicides.

Cordially,

Michael

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