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[IBC] Hex and Oct pot question
Sorry about the blank.
Are hexagonal and octagonal pots treated as round pots or oval pots? If we treat them as round pots we put the tree in the center. If we treat them as oval pots we put the tree off center to the right or left. I just potted up a Bucera spinosa (Bahamian Black Olive) in a hex pot and treated it as oval. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Billy: Your instincts were good, even if your information was
not. It is not a good plan ever to plant in the center of a pot, even a round one. It may be a bit more forgivable in a round pot, but asymmetric balance looks more natural. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- From: Billy M. Rhodes Are hexagonal and octagonal pots treated as round pots or oval pots? If we treat them as round pots we put the tree in the center. If we treat them as oval pots we put the tree off center to the right or left. I just potted up a Bucera spinosa (Bahamian Black Olive) in a hex pot and treated it as oval. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Bonsai containers are generally classified as symmetrical or equal
sided (round, square, hexagonal and octagonal) and asymmetrical (rectangular and oval). In classical bonsai generally the center of the trunk is positioned in the center of equal sided containers for perfect symmetry and to provide or emphasize trunk line movement. The center of the trunk is generally positioned off center (sometimes 1/3 from one end) in asymmetrical containers to emphasize branches and present a more asymmetrical feeling. However, the conditions of the roots may dictate other planting positions... Hope this helps, but personal opinion is important too. Bill ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Also, round, square, hexagonal and octagonal containers are deeper than the
oval and rectangular ones. In my opinion only those styles which do not fit in the oval and rectangular containers, should go in the symmetrical pots such as cascades and semi-cascades. And as for the placement in center is concerned, in most cases they look good if center of the trunk is placed in the centre. However the design elements may necessitate placing it slightly off center. One can not confine art to man made rules. Regards Anil Kaushik Bonsai Club (India) Chandigarh "The City Beautiful" -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of William Valavanis Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 2:57 AM To: Subject: [IBC] Hex and Oct pot question Bonsai containers are generally classified as symmetrical or equal sided () and asymmetrical (rectangular and oval). In classical bonsai generally the center of the trunk is positioned in the center of equal sided containers for perfect symmetry and to provide or emphasize trunk line movement. The center of the trunk is generally positioned off center (sometimes 1/3 from one end) in asymmetrical containers to emphasize branches and present a more asymmetrical feeling. However, the conditions of the roots may dictate other planting positions... Hope this helps, but personal opinion is important too. Bill ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
On Jul 4, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Pauline Muth wrote:
Classically as a round pot. But I do let my eye make the judgement. -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ]On Behalf Of Billy M. Rhodes Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 3:49 PM To: Subject: [IBC] Hex and Oct pot question Sorry about the blank. Are hexagonal and octagonal pots treated as round pots or oval pots? If we treat them as round pots we put the tree in the center. If we treat them as oval pots we put the tree off center to the right or left. I just potted up a Bucera spinosa (Bahamian Black Olive) in a hex pot and treated it as oval. Billy on the Florida Space Coast FWIW I try to have a tree that's in a round/hexagonal pot as close to the center as possible. My feeling is that the tree looks off balance otherwise. In an oval or rectangular pot your eye has the luxury of moving from side to side. There is space, lengthwise, for the tree to be off-center. But in a round pot you don't have that extra space. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Billy M. Rhodes wrote:
Sorry about the blank. Are hexagonal and octagonal pots treated as round pots or oval pots? If we treat them as round pots we put the tree in the center. If we treat them as oval pots we put the tree off center to the right or left. I just potted up a Bucera spinosa (Bahamian Black Olive) in a hex pot and treated it as oval. Billy on the Florida Space Coast Simple. By the book: If the hex or oct is longer in one direction than in any of the others, treat as an oval. If all sides are equal, treat as round. In actuality, treat however the tree looks best. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Would the position of the apex in relation to the pot be a concern? How
significant is the style of the tree? Thanks, Don Walker Just north of Austin -----Original Message----- Subject: [IBC] Hex and Oct pot question Billy M. Rhodes wrote: Sorry about the blank. Are hexagonal and octagonal pots treated as round pots or oval pots? If we treat them as round pots we put the tree in the center. If we treat them as oval pots we put the tree off center to the right or left. I just potted up a Bucera spinosa (Bahamian Black Olive) in a hex pot and treated it as oval. Billy on the Florida Space Coast Simple. By the book: If the hex or oct is longer in one direction than in any of the others, treat as an oval. If all sides are equal, treat as round. In actuality, treat however the tree looks best. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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