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culitvating moss on a large scale
Hello all,
I was wondering if anyone had advice on mass culitvation and harvesting of mosses for eventual use in bonsai pots. I've noticed moss seems to grow great on concrete and brickwork in my back garden and wonder if this could be reproduced on a larger, non-seasonal dependant scale? Perhaps even a commercial scale? I'd love to be able to go into a bonsai nursery and purchase a slab of moss any time of the year for my bonsai. Tis mid Winter here in South Eastern Australia- averaging 15-6 deg C (59-42 deg F), Thanks - Martin |
"Martin" wrote in message ...
Hello all, I was wondering if anyone had advice on mass culitvation and harvesting of mosses for eventual use in bonsai pots. I've noticed moss seems to grow great on concrete and brickwork in my back garden and wonder if this could be reproduced on a larger, non-seasonal dependant scale? Perhaps even a commercial scale? Sure you can, I'm not sure about the commercial scale though but you can try the following: Lets say you wanted to cover a piece of bark/driftwood or whatever surface with moss. Take the moss sample and break it up into little pieces. Buy a coconut from the grocery store and drain the milk out into a spray bottle. Spray whatever surface lightly with the coconut milk and then garnish with the little pieces of moss. Insert driftwood/whatever into a plastic blown up packet and seal it. Place in a position where it receives UNdirect sunlight. Coconut milk has natural plant growth hormones and soon enough your moss will have covered whatever it is resting upon. All thats left is to pour your favourite coco alchoholic beverage, sit back and relax and watch the moss grow :) -- Kind Regards Cameron |
Buttermilk, which is more widely available than coconuts
in most parts of the world, is a good substitute for your moss medium. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- "Martin" wrote in message ... Hello all, I was wondering if anyone had advice on mass culitvation and harvesting of mosses for eventual use in bonsai pots. I've noticed moss seems to grow great on concrete and brickwork in my back garden and wonder if this could be reproduced on a larger, non-seasonal dependant scale? Perhaps even a commercial scale? From: Dogma Discharge Sure you can, I'm not sure about the commercial scale though but you can try the following: Let's say you wanted to cover a piece of bark/driftwood or whatever surface with moss. Take the moss sample and break it up into little pieces. Buy a coconut from the grocery store and drain the milk out into a spray bottle. Spray whatever surface lightly with the coconut milk and then garnish with the little pieces of moss. Insert driftwood/whatever into a plastic blown up packet and seal it. Place in a position where it receives UNdirect sunlight. Coconut milk has natural plant growth hormones and soon enough your moss will have covered whatever it is resting upon. All thats left is to pour your favourite coco alchoholic beverage, sit back and relax and watch the moss grow :) Kind Regards Cameron ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
If you are interested in growing moss, a good book is Moss Gardening,
by George Schenk (Timber Press, 1997 ISBN 0-88192-370-2). Entertainingly written, and with lots of information about moss cultivation in various situations. Jay "Martin" wrote in message ... Hello all, I was wondering if anyone had advice on mass culitvation and harvesting of mosses for eventual use in bonsai pots. I've noticed moss seems to grow great on concrete and brickwork in my back garden and wonder if this could be reproduced on a larger, non-seasonal dependant scale? Perhaps even a commercial scale? ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
I've read that soaking willow shoots in a bucket of water results in a good
rooting medium. Something in willow shoots that's a natural rooting hormone. Does anyone know if it's possible to mash a bunch of new willow branches in a big bucket to create your own rooting hormone ? I ask this because I'm creating a new garden in my back yard here in Pennsylvania with HUGE boulders as accents. Unfortunately, the boulders don't have that aged look, and I was considering covering them with a thin layer of dirt and trying to force moss to grow on them. As usual, I'm looking for a shortcut. PS ..... I have an unlimited source of willow trees on a creek bank. Mark Hill - Harrisburg, PA - Zone 6 -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Alan Walker Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:13 AM To: Subject: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale Buttermilk, which is more widely available than coconuts in most parts of the world, is a good substitute for your moss medium. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- "Martin" wrote in message ... Hello all, I was wondering if anyone had advice on mass culitvation and harvesting of mosses for eventual use in bonsai pots. I've noticed moss seems to grow great on concrete and brickwork in my back garden and wonder if this could be reproduced on a larger, non-seasonal dependant scale? Perhaps even a commercial scale? From: Dogma Discharge Sure you can, I'm not sure about the commercial scale though but you can try the following: Let's say you wanted to cover a piece of bark/driftwood or whatever surface with moss. Take the moss sample and break it up into little pieces. Buy a coconut from the grocery store and drain the milk out into a spray bottle. Spray whatever surface lightly with the coconut milk and then garnish with the little pieces of moss. Insert driftwood/whatever into a plastic blown up packet and seal it. Place in a position where it receives UNdirect sunlight. Coconut milk has natural plant growth hormones and soon enough your moss will have covered whatever it is resting upon. All thats left is to pour your favourite coco alchoholic beverage, sit back and relax and watch the moss grow :) Kind Regards Cameron ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
"Alan Walker" wrote in message
news:000401c58c63$8b503e70$6101a8c0@Alan... Buttermilk, which is more widely available than coconuts in most parts of the world, is a good substitute for your moss medium. Alan Walker Alan I can positively say that you are wrong! It has to be from a fresh coconut. I've been doing this at home via Tissue Culture and it will only work with *real* fresh coconut milk. Try it for yourself. -- Kind Regards Cameron |
I've read the same thing, Mark. I haven't seen any rigorous studies on
it, but that doesn't mean they're not out there. It rings true to me, because my grandmother's generation occasionally would crush up and dissolve an aspirin and water with the solution. The active compound--acetysalicylic acid--occurs naturally in willow bark. Since willows root easily in water at almost any diameter, you could try getting a big fat willow cutting, suspending it in water, and then using the water as a rooting solution. That way, you get a tree out of it, too. I'd recommend the buttermilk for moss. The recipe I've always heard was successful was to harvest some moss, knock off as much dirt as possible, and put it and a cup of buttermilk in a blender. You can use the resulting slurry to "paint" moss on wherever you need it. Provided it has enough shade to keep from frying, you should have some success. I've also heard you can use a can of beer instead of buttermilk. If you try them, report back so we know the best way to do this. Mark Hill - President, EESiFlo Inc. wrote: I've read that soaking willow shoots in a bucket of water results in a good rooting medium. Something in willow shoots that's a natural rooting hormone. Does anyone know if it's possible to mash a bunch of new willow branches in a big bucket to create your own rooting hormone ? I ask this because I'm creating a new garden in my back yard here in Pennsylvania with HUGE boulders as accents. Unfortunately, the boulders don't have that aged look, and I was considering covering them with a thin layer of dirt and trying to force moss to grow on them. As usual, I'm looking for a shortcut. PS ..... I have an unlimited source of willow trees on a creek bank. Mark Hill - Harrisburg, PA - Zone 6 |
Martin,
Not all mosses are good candidates for bonsai lawns. You need a short, close growing variety. I was taught to harvest moss by my late sensei, Tosh Subruomaru. You go out there with a trowel or spatula and scrape up the surface of the moss, then you sweep this into a dust pan, or whatever, and treat like moss seed. It is better to not use moss on your trees, but good to have some on the side you can use to dress up trees for show. Trees with craggy bark that gets moss growing up the trunk is difficult to correct. You never really get all the moss off the trunk and still keep all the knobby bits. Kits --- Martin wrote: Hello all, I was wondering if anyone had advice on mass culitvation and harvesting of mosses for eventual use in bonsai pots. I've noticed moss seems to grow great on concrete and brickwork in my back garden and wonder if this could be reproduced on a larger, non-seasonal dependant scale? Perhaps even a commercial scale? I'd love to be able to go into a bonsai nursery and purchase a slab of moss any time of the year for my bonsai. Tis mid Winter here in South Eastern Australia- averaging 15-6 deg C (59-42 deg F), Thanks - Martin ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ **** "Expectations are resentments under construction." Anne Lamott ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
About the fresh coconut water helping the plants to grow, can I use
that on any of my plants including cuttings and germinating seeds? See, I live in the Bahamas.. I can get lots of fresh coconut water :D Tekmanx -Zone 25 (Florida/Bahamas) |
But you aren't trying to root the moss so I'd guess that willow water
wouldn't do diddly. You need a nutirient that promotes the growth of moss, especially its spores. Ideally a weakish fertiliser. This is why anything from coconut milk to buttermilk to diluted manure WILL work. These have long been used for ageing the stones in Victorian rock gardens (tho' I'm unsure whether cocnut milk was used). I'd say most important is selecting the right mosses, breaking it up and then keeping it damp and protected. They are pretty much bomb-proof, so long as you don't let them get dry or sunburned. Kev Bailey N Wales, UK, Zone 9 __________________________________________________ _______________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Mark Hill - President, EESiFlo Inc. wrote:
I've read that soaking willow shoots in a bucket of water results in a good rooting medium. Something in willow shoots that's a natural rooting hormone. Does anyone know if it's possible to mash a bunch of new willow branches in a big bucket to create your own rooting hormone ? I ask this because I'm creating a new garden in my back yard here in Pennsylvania with HUGE boulders as accents. Unfortunately, the boulders don't have that aged look, and I was considering covering them with a thin layer of dirt and trying to force moss to grow on them. As usual, I'm looking for a shortcut. PS ..... I have an unlimited source of willow trees on a creek bank. It's true about the willow bark, but since moss doesn't have roots . . . . :-) Anyway, just dig up a couple of handsfull of moss from the woods somewhere, smear and mash it over the tops of the rocks, then keep the rocks moist and fairly shady and you will have moss. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Where everything that doesn't move is mossy -- and even some moving objects (tortoises). ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Dogma Discharge wrote:
"Alan Walker" wrote in message news:000401c58c63$8b503e70$6101a8c0@Alan... Buttermilk, which is more widely available than coconuts in most parts of the world, is a good substitute for your moss medium. Alan Walker Alan I can positively say that you are wrong! It has to be from a fresh coconut. I've been doing this at home via Tissue Culture and it will only work with *real* fresh coconut milk. Try it for yourself. A gentle reminder: There often is more than one way to skin a cat. (Unless the "Dogma" is a hint? :-) Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect - Aldo Leopold - A Sand County Almanac ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Tekmanx wrote:
About the fresh coconut water helping the plants to grow, can I use that on any of my plants including cuttings and germinating seeds? See, I live in the Bahamas.. I can get lots of fresh coconut water :D Tekmanx -Zone 25 (Florida/Bahamas) Only if you want ants. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Let's separate the apples from the oranges here, folks. Buttermilk is
used for moss culture because it lowers the pH, which some but not all mosses like. No special plant hormones are needed to get moss to grow; moss likes to grow. You provide the conditions it needs if you supply constant moisture and a little fertilizer. The magic ingredient in this equation is: water. Nina. Jim Lewis wrote: A gentle reminder: There often is more than one way to skin a cat. (Unless the "Dogma" is a hint? :-) |
Oh ...sounds like a bad idea.
Tekmanx - Zone 25 (Florida/Bahamas) |
I had no idea moss had no roots
Well, yes & no. The worst moss for bonsai is club moss, recognized by by litle red club-like pellets rising from its needle-like base. This moss has roots and spreads rapidly across the surface by tiny rhizomes. If you see it growing in any of your pots, get rid of it. In fact, unless you want moss as a decorative feature for show purposes, get rid of all kinds growing in your pots, except for saikei and forest plantings. Marty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hill - President, EESiFlo Inc." To: Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale As usual, you've taught me something new today Jim. I had no idea moss didn't have roots. Guess I should do some research. I've already ordered the Moss Gardening book recommended by Jay Sinclair. I've seen moss growing on sunny rocks here in central PA. I'm assuming these are some local variety able to withstand dry spells and the occasional very hot spell. Maybe these are the ones I should be looking for. Sticking them in a blender with a glass of buttermilk or coconut milk seems like a do-able solution. Certainly better than wasting a beer ! Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jim Lewis ] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:01 PM To: Mark Hill - President, EESiFlo Inc. Cc: Subject: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale Mark Hill - President, EESiFlo Inc. wrote: I've read that soaking willow shoots in a bucket of water results in a good rooting medium. Something in willow shoots that's a natural rooting hormone. Does anyone know if it's possible to mash a bunch of new willow branches in a big bucket to create your own rooting hormone ? I ask this because I'm creating a new garden in my back yard here in Pennsylvania with HUGE boulders as accents. Unfortunately, the boulders don't have that aged look, and I was considering covering them with a thin layer of dirt and trying to force moss to grow on them. As usual, I'm looking for a shortcut. PS ..... I have an unlimited source of willow trees on a creek bank. It's true about the willow bark, but since moss doesn't have roots . . . . :-) Anyway, just dig up a couple of handsfull of moss from the woods somewhere, smear and mash it over the tops of the rocks, then keep the rocks moist and fairly shady and you will have moss. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Where everything that doesn't move is mossy -- and even some moving objects (tortoises). ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Mark Hill - President, EESiFlo Inc. wrote:
Moss needs acidity umidity north position and not direct sun .. it dries out and return to life like phenix .. moss spores are eveyrwhere as carried by the wind in Japan are different varieties ( see google) for different visual effects on bonsais and is cultivated also in fields ...spores are on sale As usual, you've taught me something new today Jim. I had no idea moss didn't have roots. Guess I should do some research. I've already ordered the Moss Gardening book recommended by Jay Sinclair. |
While spraying the seedlings regularly to provide moisture, on day I sprayed
a very weak solution of ammonium sulfate as the first dose of fertilizer. The next day I found the entire top soil turning greenish. And in another two three days it had moss all over. In another case once I forgot to take out a Bonsai from a water filled tray. Five days latter when I realized this lapse, I was surprised to see a thick blanket of moss all over the surface. Regards Anil Kaushik Bonsai Club (India) Chandigarh "The City Beautiful" -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Nina Let's separate the apples from the oranges here, folks. Buttermilk is used for moss culture because it lowers the pH, which some but not all mosses like. No special plant hormones are needed to get moss to grow; moss likes to grow. You provide the conditions it needs if you supply constant moisture and a little fertilizer. The magic ingredient in this equation is: water. Nina. Jim Lewis wrote: A gentle reminder: There often is more than one way to skin a cat. (Unless the "Dogma" is a hint? :-) ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
"Jim Lewis" wrote in message
... A gentle reminder: There often is more than one way to skin a cat. (Unless the "Dogma" is a hint? :-) Quite right Jim, there sure are many ways to skin a cat. I have indeed tried the 'milk in the can' version but sadly I lost ALL my cultures, using the fresh stuff yields much better results. IMHO :) Have any of you ever tried using Java Moss? Its an aquatic moss but does quite well emersed in semi humid conditions -- Kind Regards Cameron |
Anil Kaushik wrote:
In another case once I forgot to take out a Bonsai from a water filled tray. Five days latter when I realized this lapse, I was surprised to see a thick blanket of moss all over the surface. you must live in a humid country it does not work so fast here |
Marty Haber wrote:
I had no idea moss had no roots Well, yes & no. The worst moss for bonsai is club moss, recognized by by litle red club-like pellets rising from its needle-like base. This moss has roots and spreads rapidly across the surface by tiny rhizomes. If you see it growing in any of your pots, get rid of it. In fact, unless you want moss as a decorative feature for show purposes, get rid of all kinds growing in your pots, except for saikei and forest plantings. Marty Weeeelllll, but "club moss" isn't a "moss." The old common name syndrome strikes again. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Thanks to all for the great response.
I've tried buttermilk on some boulders and an old tree stump in my garden but it kept dissapearing (the milk) by the afternoon every time I applied it. After two weeks of trying I caught the culprit - my rather chunky and content looking cat sitting on a boulder happily licking away at the buttermilk. Should I get her colestrerol checked? Thanks again to all for the great advice. "Dogma Discharge" wrote in message ... "Jim Lewis" wrote in message ... A gentle reminder: There often is more than one way to skin a cat. (Unless the "Dogma" is a hint? :-) Quite right Jim, there sure are many ways to skin a cat. I have indeed tried the 'milk in the can' version but sadly I lost ALL my cultures, using the fresh stuff yields much better results. IMHO :) Have any of you ever tried using Java Moss? Its an aquatic moss but does quite well emersed in semi humid conditions -- Kind Regards Cameron |
Martin said:
After two weeks of trying I caught the culprit - my rather chunky and content looking cat sitting on a boulder happily licking away at the buttermilk. solution: There's more than one way to skin a bad cat! Let's review our plant anatomy: Bryophytes (mosses and liverworts) have no vascular system, no leaves, and no roots. The leafy green part is haploid (one copy of each chromosome), but the hairlike stalks with knobs on top are diploid (2 copies of each chromosomes. We humans, in case you don't know, are diploid). They reproduce by spores. Clubmosses have a vascular system (hence a true stem), and true roots, but no true leaves. The plant we notice is the diploid; there's a tiny free-living haploid stage. They reproduce by spores. Ferns have true stems, true roots and true leaves (a true leaf has "veins"). The part we notice is the diploid stage; there's a small haploid stage that looks like some sort of filmy alga. [our greenhouse at work is infested with ferns, so I see the haploid stage if I look] Reproduction: spores. [You're bored. I know. But now it becomes bonsai-related] Gymnosperms are pines, ginkgos, larch, spruce, etc. They are defined by having seeds, not spores. What's a seed? A seed is the haploid stage now completely tiny and packaged so it never has to live on its own. Angiosperms, finally, are flowering plants, and that includes all trees that aren't gymnosperms. So show a little respect for mosses, ferns and clubmosses! They are very cool. And very different. Nina. |
Nina wrote:
Let's review our plant anatomy: Bryophytes (mosses and liverworts) have no vascular system, no leaves, and no roots. The leafy green part is haploid (one copy of each chromosome), but the hairlike stalks with knobs on top are diploid (2 copies of each chromosomes. We humans, in case you don't know, are diploid). They reproduce by spores. Clubmosses have a vascular system (hence a true stem), and true roots, but no true leaves. The plant we notice is the diploid; there's a tiny free-living haploid stage. They reproduce by spores. Ferns have true stems, true roots and true leaves (a true leaf has "veins"). The part we notice is the diploid stage; there's a small haploid stage that looks like some sort of filmy alga. [our greenhouse at work is infested with ferns, so I see the haploid stage if I look] Reproduction: spores. [You're bored. I know. But now it becomes bonsai-related] Gymnosperms are pines, ginkgos, larch, spruce, etc. They are defined by having seeds, not spores. What's a seed? A seed is the haploid stage now completely tiny and packaged so it never has to live on its own. Angiosperms, finally, are flowering plants, and that includes all trees that aren't gymnosperms. So show a little respect for mosses, ferns and clubmosses! They are very cool. And very different. Nina. She's nice to have around, isn't she? :-) Save her message. It could be useful. In fact, it IS useful. I have a whole folder devoted to "Nina's botany and botany-related information" and I find myself referring to it often as I try to respond to messages from folks who apparently never took even HS basic biology. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - What DO kids take in High School these days? Tattoos 101?; "Wholistic" Naval Piercing? How to keep my pants from falling off 102? ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Well, Jim, it gives me a chance to use the facts I learned in college
Paleobotany, which, I have to admit, almost *never* come in handy. But I took the course from Charles Beck, one of the leading figures in understanding the evolution of the seed, and he was a wonderful teacher. He held the course at 8 am to discourage casual students from taking it. I double-checked my facts (college was a long time ago!) in a very good book called "Green Plants: their origin and diversity" by Peter R. Bell (Cambridge University Press), in case any of you ever have a pressing need to know the life cycle of Isoetes. Nina. The pokeweed in my backyard is now 15 feet tall: HELP ME! Jim Lewis wrote: Save her message. It could be useful. In fact, it IS useful. |
Nina wrote:
Well, Jim, it gives me a chance to use the facts I learned in college Isn't it fun when that happens? :-) Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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