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does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but they just run right thru it like it doesn't bother them. hate to have to sell them, as they were gifts to my son from my grandfather before he passed away. just hate them eating all my plants!
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"Rachael Simpson" wrote: does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but they just run right thru it like it doesn't bother them. hate to have to sell them, as they were gifts to my son from my grandfather before he passed away. just hate them eating all my plants! thanks............ Uh, build a pen??? -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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"Omelet" wrote in message ... In article , "Rachael Simpson" wrote: does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but they just run right thru it like it doesn't bother them. hate to have to sell them, as they were gifts to my son from my grandfather before he passed away. just hate them eating all my plants! thanks............ Uh, build a pen??? -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson uh - they were/are in a pen. they run thru it. tried electric, chicken wire, wire panels, and wood fencing. they either run thru or jump over. and these goats can jump. caught one of them on top of our horse trailer and then again on top of the round hay baler. |
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"Omelet" wrote in message ... In article , "Rachael Simpson" wrote: does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but they just run right thru it like it doesn't bother them. hate to have to sell them, as they were gifts to my son from my grandfather before he passed away. just hate them eating all my plants! thanks............ Uh, build a pen??? -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson uh - they were/are in a pen. they run thru it. tried electric, chicken wire, wire panels, and wood fencing. they either run thru or jump over. and these goats can jump. caught one of them on top of our horse trailer and then again on top of the round hay baler. The pen needs a roof. .. Zone 5b in Canada's goat-free Far East. |
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On May 9, 9:54 pm, "Rachael Simpson"
wrote: "Omelet" wrote in message ... In article , "Rachael Simpson" wrote: does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but they just run right thru it like it doesn't bother them. hate to have to sell them, as they were gifts to my son from my grandfather before he passed away. just hate them eating all my plants! thanks............ Uh, build a pen??? -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson uh - they were/are in a pen. they run thru it. tried electric, chicken wire, wire panels, and wood fencing. they either run thru or jump over. and these goats can jump. caught one of them on top of our horse trailer and then again on top of the round hay baler.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Maybe a 10' deer fence around the garden? Plus a garden in their pen. |
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"Rachael Simpson" wrote: does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but they just run right thru it like it doesn't bother them. hate to have to sell them, as they were gifts to my son from my grandfather before he passed away. just hate them eating all my plants! thanks............ You must be the person who didn't have any problems. How about, attach an anchor? I hate to bring them down but they seem like they are having way too much fun. Is there a ng for animal husbandry? How old are they? Maybe they will become domesticated? Turn up the amperage. I'm sure they are just as cute as buttons. - Bill Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) |
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"Rachael Simpson" wrote: "Omelet" wrote in message ... In article , "Rachael Simpson" wrote: does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but they just run right thru it like it doesn't bother them. hate to have to sell them, as they were gifts to my son from my grandfather before he passed away. just hate them eating all my plants! thanks............ Uh, build a pen??? uh - they were/are in a pen. they run thru it. tried electric, chicken wire, wire panels, and wood fencing. they either run thru or jump over. and these goats can jump. caught one of them on top of our horse trailer and then again on top of the round hay baler. Mm, I used to raise Nubians and Saanens. I was able to keep them penned. Build the fences HIGHER! Cattle panels are cheap, and 4' high. I just used 6', 2" x 4" mesh farm fencing. Runs about $40.00 for 50 ft., welded wire. T-posts are cheap too. :-) Place one ever 6 feet of linear fencing. Works for emus too and they are worse than goats. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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"Rachael Simpson" wrote in message ... does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but they just run right thru it like it doesn't bother them. hate to have to sell them, as they were gifts to my son from my grandfather before he passed away. just hate them eating all my plants! thanks............ We had goats at one time. Only field fence will keep them in, or out. Run a string of electric wire about 4" above the top. That will contain them. |
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"Rachael Simpson" wrote in message
... does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but they just run right thru it like it doesn't bother them. hate to have to sell them, as they were gifts to my son from my grandfather before he passed away. just hate them eating all my plants! thanks............ Goats, for some reason, wear heavy shaggy sweaters. Unless they put an exposed part of their body on the wire, it doesn't bother them to a degree for the proper response you're looking for. Most adequate electrical fencing for goats is low impedance, high energy. It uses an intermittent pulse, not constant energy. The wire is high tensile strength version. 2000 volts or better is recommended. http://www.tennesseemeatgoats.com/ar...2/fencing.html Dave |
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On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:34:43 -0400, "Rachael Simpson"
wrote: does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and = flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but = they just run right thru it like it doesn't bother them. hate to have = to sell them, as they were gifts to my son from my grandfather before he = passed away. just hate them eating all my plants! Might possibly be a wive's tale but ISTR reading that goats don't like to jump over fences if they can't see the landing zone. |
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"JustTom" wrote in message ... On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:34:43 -0400, "Rachael Simpson" wrote: does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and = flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but = they just run right thru it like it doesn't bother them. hate to have = to sell them, as they were gifts to my son from my grandfather before he = passed away. just hate them eating all my plants! Might possibly be a wive's tale but ISTR reading that goats don't like to jump over fences if they can't see the landing zone. Ha - maybe we should put blinders on these three then................in response to cloud dreamer - still trying to figure out how to roof in a half acre pasture.......... thanks anyways |
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"Rachael Simpson" wrote in message ... "JustTom" wrote in message ... On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:34:43 -0400, "Rachael Simpson" wrote: does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and = flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but = they just run right thru it like it doesn't bother them. hate to have = to sell them, as they were gifts to my son from my grandfather before he = passed away. just hate them eating all my plants! Might possibly be a wive's tale but ISTR reading that goats don't like to jump over fences if they can't see the landing zone. Ha - maybe we should put blinders on these three then................in response to cloud dreamer - still trying to figure out how to roof in a half acre pasture.......... No need to roof it over. Get 4' field fence and run an electric wire about 4 to 6" over the top. It will keep in the most determined goats. thanks anyways |
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"Rachael Simpson" writes:
does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and = flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but = Train them to strap collars, and then tether them. Make sure the ropes are too substantial to be chewed, and that there is nothing for the ropes to snag on. If there is any likelihood of the goats being spooked, by a dog especially, tie the ropes to an old bike tyre or similar which is in turn anchored --- so that there is some "give" in the restraint otherwise there is a possibility that when put to flight a goat might snap its neck as the rope snaps taut. (BTDT, sheep). Tied to a fence is best so that they can't go round and round (e.g., a pole) and wind the rope tightly. Move the tethers a couple of times each day, ensuring access to water and shade is always available. -- John Savage (my news address is not valid for email) |
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"John Savage" wrote in message
om... Train them to strap collars, and then tether them. Make sure the ropes are too substantial to be chewed, and that there is nothing for the ropes to snag on. Goats are tricky. When I was a kid, we had this pygmy goat named Christopher who would ALWAYS get loose and go eat the neighbor's orchids. Didn't matter how he was tied up, he'd find a way out. My mother would have a collar on him and she'd have it on tight enough so he couldn't get it over his head, but not so tight his breathing would be affected, but he still got loose. Chains didn't work either. He'd find a way out. Didn't hesitate to butt either. Always had to keep a lookout when I was playing in the yard. One time I remember I got chased by him and I actually climbed up the SCREEN door(had that aluminum decorative stuff that I used to hold on to) and I think I remember mom chasing him off with a screwdriver(I'm not sure I'm remembering right 'bout the screwdriver because it doesn't make much sense, but that's how I remember it). |
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"Rachael Simpson" writes: does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and = flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but = How about surrender? Make cheese and swap for veggies and flowers. I bet they are cute. - Bill Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) |
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Hi All,
Thanks for all the advise and the laughs. Due to money restrictions, i think we are going to try tethering them - might have to tie them to a cement block though! Rachael Simpson |
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"Rachael Simpson" wrote: Hi All, Thanks for all the advise and the laughs. Due to money restrictions, i think we are going to try tethering them - might have to tie them to a cement block though! Rachael Simpson Tire with rims work for a lot of people. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Omelet wrote: In article , "Rachael Simpson" wrote: Hi All, Thanks for all the advise and the laughs. Due to money restrictions, i think we are going to try tethering them - might have to tie them to a cement block though! Rachael Simpson Tire with rims work for a lot of people. Tethering goats? I've seen some success tethering them to old pickup trucks with the tires and rims removed. But with billy goats, even that is iffy. Oh, don't use rope to tether them. They'll eat it. Use a chain and watch out that they don't get their little feet/legs boogered up in it. (Ask a goat person how to properly tether a goat. I'm a cow/horse/chicken/dog/cat person.) Goats are *very* cool animals, but... Jan -- Bedouin proverb: If you have no troubles, buy a goat. |
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Jan Flora wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: In article , "Rachael Simpson" wrote: Hi All, Thanks for all the advise and the laughs. Due to money restrictions, i think we are going to try tethering them - might have to tie them to a cement block though! Rachael Simpson Tire with rims work for a lot of people. Tethering goats? I've seen some success tethering them to old pickup trucks with the tires and rims removed. But with billy goats, even that is iffy. Oh, don't use rope to tether them. They'll eat it. Use a chain and watch out that they don't get their little feet/legs boogered up in it. (Ask a goat person how to properly tether a goat. I'm a cow/horse/chicken/dog/cat person.) Goats are *very* cool animals, but... Jan I used to raise goats back in high school. I liked them a lot (Nubians) but I'd never have another Billy goat unless I had a LOT more space! Somewhere where I did not have to smell him. ;-) -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Our problem is not billy goats - the horse took care of our billy..........
once upon a time we had 15 goats. they all stayed in place then. when the older goats died off - the younger ones started getting out. the billy still kept them in place so to speak. but then, he challenged the horse. the horse won. so now the remaining three nanny goats do whatever they please. and nothing seems to deter them from the garden. nothing other than killing or selling them anyways. very determined goats........will probably be up for sell soon. hear the goat sale is pulling pretty good prices. thanks, rae "Jan Flora" wrote in message ... In article , Omelet wrote: In article , "Rachael Simpson" wrote: Hi All, Thanks for all the advise and the laughs. Due to money restrictions, i think we are going to try tethering them - might have to tie them to a cement block though! Rachael Simpson Tire with rims work for a lot of people. Tethering goats? I've seen some success tethering them to old pickup trucks with the tires and rims removed. But with billy goats, even that is iffy. Oh, don't use rope to tether them. They'll eat it. Use a chain and watch out that they don't get their little feet/legs boogered up in it. (Ask a goat person how to properly tether a goat. I'm a cow/horse/chicken/dog/cat person.) Goats are *very* cool animals, but... Jan -- Bedouin proverb: If you have no troubles, buy a goat. |
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"Rachael Simpson" writes:
Thanks for all the advise and the laughs. Due to money restrictions, i = think we are going to try tethering them - might have to tie them to a = cement block though! Following on from the poster with goats that slipped out of their collars: I wonder would it be possible to fit a goat with a large size dog lead of the type that fits around the shoulders and under the chest, rather than using a collar that goes around just the neck? I'm also wondering aloud whether anyone has ever tried hobbles on goats? These are used on horses and camels to stop them taking large strides so they can be turned out at night to forage without wandering far. Would flexible straps connecting a goat's front legs work in stopping the animal climbing? It could take short steps, and still pronk, but probably would not be able to climb up wire netting. Hobbles would eliminate the need to move each animal's tether-point each day and to provide separate water sources. It might be worth consulting a vet on this, if it sounds feasible. I'd expect it would take a bit of getting used to, initially, and the hobbles would need to be expertly crafted and endorsed by a professional vet. -- John Savage (my news address is not valid for email) |
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John Savage wrote: "Rachael Simpson" writes: Thanks for all the advise and the laughs. Due to money restrictions, i = think we are going to try tethering them - might have to tie them to a = cement block though! Following on from the poster with goats that slipped out of their collars: I wonder would it be possible to fit a goat with a large size dog lead of the type that fits around the shoulders and under the chest, rather than using a collar that goes around just the neck? I'm also wondering aloud whether anyone has ever tried hobbles on goats? These are used on horses and camels to stop them taking large strides so they can be turned out at night to forage without wandering far. Would flexible straps connecting a goat's front legs work in stopping the animal climbing? It could take short steps, and still pronk, but probably would not be able to climb up wire netting. Hobbles would eliminate the need to move each animal's tether-point each day and to provide separate water sources. It might be worth consulting a vet on this, if it sounds feasible. I'd expect it would take a bit of getting used to, initially, and the hobbles would need to be expertly crafted and endorsed by a professional vet. Knowing goats, they'd eat soft hobbles... ;-) -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Omelet wrote: Knowing goats, they'd eat soft hobbles... ;-) OK. No more mister nice guy. How about the fenceless dog collars? I hope your herd isn't too large. I believe a wire is buried in the ground and if the collar wearer gets too close to the charged wire, they get a jolt from the collar. If it is adjustable, crank it up. If the sensitivity is adjustable, same thing. Then we aren't just talking a stinking wire but an exclusion zone that they won't be able to be in. If you set the charge too high, maybe Joan Flora (?) in Alaska will have a recipe:-( It may be too pricey but it may be worth looking into. - Bill Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) |
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, Bill Rose wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: Knowing goats, they'd eat soft hobbles... ;-) OK. No more mister nice guy. How about the fenceless dog collars? I hope your herd isn't too large. I believe a wire is buried in the ground and if the collar wearer gets too close to the charged wire, they get a jolt from the collar. If it is adjustable, crank it up. If the sensitivity is adjustable, same thing. Then we aren't just talking a stinking wire but an exclusion zone that they won't be able to be in. If you set the charge too high, maybe Joan Flora (?) in Alaska will have a recipe:-( It may be too pricey but it may be worth looking into. - Bill Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) lol I wasn't the OP, but that is a concept I'd not thought of. I've personally no experience as to how goats would react to zap collars. Those fenceless electric perimeters are really not all that expensive iirc. Tethering my goats to rim/tires worked for us, using a regular dog collar. :-) YMMV. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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, Bill Rose wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: Knowing goats, they'd eat soft hobbles... ;-) OK. No more mister nice guy. How about the fenceless dog collars? I hope your herd isn't too large. I believe a wire is buried in the ground and if the collar wearer gets too close to the charged wire, they get a jolt from the collar. If it is adjustable, crank it up. If the sensitivity is adjustable, same thing. Then we aren't just talking a stinking wire but an exclusion zone that they won't be able to be in. If you set the charge too high, maybe Joan Flora (?) in Alaska will have a recipe:-( It may be too pricey but it may be worth looking into. - Bill Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) Kill a goat. Dig a pit. Put 1/4 cord of good cooking-type firewood in the pit. Let it burn down to coals. Wrap the cut up goat chunks in wetted burlap sacking, after slathering the BBQ sauce of your choice on the meat. Wrap baler twine around the burlap. Lay the wrapped pieces of meat in the pit. Cover pit with a piece of something -- we use plate steel. Shovel dirt over the plate and around the edges. Let the goat cook all night. Uncover, unwrap, eat. That's how we BBQ beef here, but we generally use more wood and a backhoe to dig the pit. Jan beef cattle rancher -- Bedouin proverb: If you have no troubles, buy a goat. |
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Well, the goats got the corn again. Too late to replant corn around here. I've never seen more determined goats. They are officially up for sale.
"Rachael Simpson" wrote in message ... does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but they just run right thru it like it doesn't bother them. hate to have to sell them, as they were gifts to my son from my grandfather before he passed away. just hate them eating all my plants! thanks............ |
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Jan Flora wrote: In article , Bill Rose wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: Knowing goats, they'd eat soft hobbles... ;-) OK. No more mister nice guy. How about the fenceless dog collars? I hope your herd isn't too large. I believe a wire is buried in the ground and if the collar wearer gets too close to the charged wire, they get a jolt from the collar. If it is adjustable, crank it up. If the sensitivity is adjustable, same thing. Then we aren't just talking a stinking wire but an exclusion zone that they won't be able to be in. If you set the charge too high, maybe Joan Flora (?) in Alaska will have a recipe:-( It may be too pricey but it may be worth looking into. - Bill Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) Kill a goat. Dig a pit. Put 1/4 cord of good cooking-type firewood in the pit. Let it burn down to coals. Wrap the cut up goat chunks in wetted burlap sacking, after slathering the BBQ sauce of your choice on the meat. Wrap baler twine around the burlap. Lay the wrapped pieces of meat in the pit. Cover pit with a piece of something -- we use plate steel. Shovel dirt over the plate and around the edges. Let the goat cook all night. Uncover, unwrap, eat. That's how we BBQ beef here, but we generally use more wood and a backhoe to dig the pit. Jan beef cattle rancher Thanks Jan, I knew you would have the appropriate recipe. What would you use for garnish and side dishes? I have almost the same recipe. Chuckwagon Hoedown Bbq Categories: Beef, Bbq, Jw, Canadian Yield: 480 Servings 1 Steer From the Northern Bounty cookbook, subtitled "A Celebration of Canadian Cuisine", ISBN 0-394-22431-0. First you need a backhoe to dig a hole big enough to accommodate several cords of wood. Use hardwoods, apple is good and fenceposts are acceptable, but do not use treated or creosoted wood. Once the wood has burned down to a bed of coals several feet deep, about four hours, prepare the beef: cut into large chunks of 15 pounds each, wrap in butcher paper and then in wet burlap bags; tie securely. Toss the packages directly onto the coals, quickly cover with a large sheet of tin, and cover the tin with dirt. The secret is to keep out oxygen so the coals do not burn quickly and burn the meat. The beef is left to cook- allow 12 hours for this. After the 12 hours are up uncover the bundles; they will not be charred. Unwrap, slice and serve with baked beans, fresh bread, salads, pickles and for dessert 60 assorted pies and 30 cakes. -------------------------------------- Are your steers grass fed or feed lot? Local stores are getting more requests for grass fed and local ranchers are getting higher prices. I think the Bay Area may be the slow food capital of the world. - Bill Coloribus gustibus non disputatum. |
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The 3 goats were sold this morning. Hated to do that. We tried tethering them & chaining them up, they tangled themselves up to often. They drug the tires & rims around like they weighed nothing. Didn't have the extra money in our budget for a wireless fence and collar system. Eating the remaining of the garden was the last straw so to speak. It was either sell them or let my husband fill them full of holes...........at least i am 150 dollars richer now. Thanks for everybody's help and advice.
Rae "Rachael Simpson" wrote in message ... does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but they just run right thru it like it doesn't bother them. hate to have to sell them, as they were gifts to my son from my grandfather before he passed away. just hate them eating all my plants! thanks............ |
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In article ,
Bill Rose wrote: In article , Jan Flora wrote: In article , Bill Rose wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: Knowing goats, they'd eat soft hobbles... ;-) OK. No more mister nice guy. How about the fenceless dog collars? I hope your herd isn't too large. I believe a wire is buried in the ground and if the collar wearer gets too close to the charged wire, they get a jolt from the collar. If it is adjustable, crank it up. If the sensitivity is adjustable, same thing. Then we aren't just talking a stinking wire but an exclusion zone that they won't be able to be in. If you set the charge too high, maybe Joan Flora (?) in Alaska will have a recipe:-( It may be too pricey but it may be worth looking into. - Bill Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) Kill a goat. Dig a pit. Put 1/4 cord of good cooking-type firewood in the pit. Let it burn down to coals. Wrap the cut up goat chunks in wetted burlap sacking, after slathering the BBQ sauce of your choice on the meat. Wrap baler twine around the burlap. Lay the wrapped pieces of meat in the pit. Cover pit with a piece of something -- we use plate steel. Shovel dirt over the plate and around the edges. Let the goat cook all night. Uncover, unwrap, eat. That's how we BBQ beef here, but we generally use more wood and a backhoe to dig the pit. Jan beef cattle rancher Thanks Jan, I knew you would have the appropriate recipe. What would you use for garnish and side dishes? I have almost the same recipe. Chuckwagon Hoedown Bbq Categories: Beef, Bbq, Jw, Canadian Yield: 480 Servings 1 Steer From the Northern Bounty cookbook, subtitled "A Celebration of Canadian Cuisine", ISBN 0-394-22431-0. First you need a backhoe to dig a hole big enough to accommodate several cords of wood. Use hardwoods, apple is good and fenceposts are acceptable, but do not use treated or creosoted wood. Once the wood has burned down to a bed of coals several feet deep, about four hours, prepare the beef: cut into large chunks of 15 pounds each, wrap in butcher paper and then in wet burlap bags; tie securely. Toss the packages directly onto the coals, quickly cover with a large sheet of tin, and cover the tin with dirt. The secret is to keep out oxygen so the coals do not burn quickly and burn the meat. The beef is left to cook- allow 12 hours for this. After the 12 hours are up uncover the bundles; they will not be charred. Unwrap, slice and serve with baked beans, fresh bread, salads, pickles and for dessert 60 assorted pies and 30 cakes. -------------------------------------- Are your steers grass fed or feed lot? Local stores are getting more requests for grass fed and local ranchers are getting higher prices. I think the Bay Area may be the slow food capital of the world. - Bill Coloribus gustibus non disputatum. Are you in the Bay Area??? Lordy, I was born/raised there, but left as soon as I came to my senses. That was about the same time I got a drivers' license. Moved to the Mother Lode, then moved to Alaska in 1989. My brothers are still in the Gray Area, but I won't visit, unless there's a really hot ballgame coming up. (SF Giants.) The only thing I miss is professional baseball and the live music. (Bluegrass/Newgrass/Folk/Country. And the Dead. Used to go see The Dead every New Years Eve.) But I digress... Our cows are grassfed. They'd be "organic" except we have to use commercial fertilizer on our hay meadows, so we are legally allowed to call our animals "natural beef". Our growing season is too short & cold to do organic fertilizer. Other than that, we grow our own hay & grain. The cows eat green grass in the summer and our hay/grain in the winter. No antibiotics unless some bonehead steps on a nail and comes it holding a hoof up, or something like that. Then the animal will get one shot of Penicillin-G Procaine. Maybe two shots, if the animal isn't a bitch to catch. (When they're well enough to run away from you, that's a good sign.) We don't feed our cows ground-up sheep parts, old phonebooks, cardboard, chicken manure or any of those things that feedlot cows in America eat. (Cows can digest cellulose. Old phone books & cardboard are made of cellulose. Believe it or not, cows can digest them and some people feed them to cows. I happen to like my cows. I don't feed crap like that to them!) Side dishes for a BBQ: what you said. Lots of potato salad; lots of pies, cobblers, cakes; cornbread; homemade rolls; LOTS of baked beans; coleslaws; pickled everything; etc. Growing up in the Gray Area, I never went to a potluck. When I moved to the country, I had to learn. Now when I make lasangne or a pie, I always make two and stick one in the freezer. I have to attend a potluck event at least once a month. Jan in Alaska Zone 3 -- my soil temp is up to 48F. *woohoo*!! -- Bedouin proverb: If you have no troubles, buy a goat. |
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