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Bill wrote:

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Charles wrote:

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:02:36 +0000, CORVIDSTATION61
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Hi everyone!
Could anyone tell me if certain plants thrive in poor soil, does that
mean they wont grow very well in good soil? Thanks Mark


A counter example, Protea. Soil with adequate phosphorous for most
plants is toxic to them. Pacific Horticulture magazine had an article
about them, one place they grew very well would not support weeds.

I think there are other plants from Australia with a similar
phosphorous sensitivity.

Take a peak at the reviews here.

http://www.amazon.com/Weeds-What-The...250043/ref=pd_
bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197500351&sr=1-1

or

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ysejb4


Bill

Bill, I hope the holidays are being good to you. Mine started off fine
but then the relatives showed up:-(

Books like "Weeds and What They Tell" really appeal to me but some times
I wonder. One of the reviews read, in part, "Guilds, the author tells
us, are groups of plants that function as an ecosystem to provide
products for humans, create cover and food for wildlife, nourish the
soil, conserve water, and repel pests. A simple example of a guild is
the "three sisters" (corn, beans, and squash); corn stalks provide a
trellis for beans, the beans supply nitrogen to the soil, and the squash
leaves inhibit weeds and conserve water." The group kicked around the
idea this year of growing beans on corn stalks and iirc the up-shot of
it all was that there may be specific beans that do well on corn but in
general, it is a bad idea. I grew my corn in blocks and the light seemed
to have had a hard time penetrating in to the beans. The beans that grew
on the periphery did OK but they had a bad habit of pulling the corn
stalks over. The melons that I planted also had the sunlight problem and
were stunted until the "hounds from hell" found them. That was the end
of that particular problem.

The group discussions we have had have been more valuable to me than any
of the books that I have purchased.

Oh, in response to the OP. Grapes make better wine if they are nitrogen
and water stressed. If water and nitrogen are available, ad libitum,
they will vegetate and not set fruit.
--

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
Bill wrote:

In article ,
Charles wrote:

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:02:36 +0000, CORVIDSTATION61
wrote:


Hi everyone!
Could anyone tell me if certain plants thrive in poor soil, does that
mean they wont grow very well in good soil? Thanks Mark


A counter example, Protea. Soil with adequate phosphorous for most
plants is toxic to them. Pacific Horticulture magazine had an article
about them, one place they grew very well would not support weeds.

I think there are other plants from Australia with a similar
phosphorous sensitivity.

Take a peak at the reviews here.

http://www.amazon.com/Weeds-What-The...250043/ref=pd_
bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197500351&sr=1-1

or

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ysejb4


Bill

Bill, I hope the holidays are being good to you. Mine started off fine
but then the relatives showed up:-(

Books like "Weeds and What They Tell" really appeal to me but some times
I wonder. One of the reviews read, in part, "Guilds, the author tells
us, are groups of plants that function as an ecosystem to provide
products for humans, create cover and food for wildlife, nourish the
soil, conserve water, and repel pests. A simple example of a guild is
the "three sisters" (corn, beans, and squash); corn stalks provide a
trellis for beans, the beans supply nitrogen to the soil, and the squash
leaves inhibit weeds and conserve water." The group kicked around the
idea this year of growing beans on corn stalks and iirc the up-shot of
it all was that there may be specific beans that do well on corn but in
general, it is a bad idea. I grew my corn in blocks and the light seemed
to have had a hard time penetrating in to the beans. The beans that grew
on the periphery did OK but they had a bad habit of pulling the corn
stalks over. The melons that I planted also had the sunlight problem and
were stunted until the "hounds from hell" found them. That was the end
of that particular problem.

The group discussions we have had have been more valuable to me than any
of the books that I have purchased.

Oh, in response to the OP. Grapes make better wine if they are nitrogen
and water stressed. If water and nitrogen are available, ad libitum,
they will vegetate and not set fruit.

Add more Bone Meal to the soil?
--
Peace, Om

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"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." -- Steve Rothstein

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Omelet wrote:

Oh, in response to the OP. Grapes make better wine if they are nitrogen
and water stressed. If water and nitrogen are available, ad libitum,
they will vegetate and not set fruit.

Add more Bone Meal to the soil?

With grapes, the roots don't need it. I would worry about encouraging
excessive fruit by adding excessive bone meal. One way of producing
higher quality wines is to drop (cut-off) part of the crop (1/4 - 1/2).
Normally, growers are looking at around 4 1/2 tons per acre, if it is
less than that, then bone meal would probably be helpful.
--

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

Oh, in response to the OP. Grapes make better wine if they are nitrogen
and water stressed. If water and nitrogen are available, ad libitum,
they will vegetate and not set fruit.

Add more Bone Meal to the soil?

With grapes, the roots don't need it. I would worry about encouraging
excessive fruit by adding excessive bone meal. One way of producing
higher quality wines is to drop (cut-off) part of the crop (1/4 - 1/2).
Normally, growers are looking at around 4 1/2 tons per acre, if it is
less than that, then bone meal would probably be helpful.

I added extra bone meal to the flower bed this year.

I ended up with unhappy plants and NO blooms.

They must need a happy medium. I will do major soil revision. Might even
lift the peruvian daffodils to see if I can keep from losing them. :-(
--
Peace, Om

Remove - (dash) to validate gmail.

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." -- Steve Rothstein

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Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

Oh, in response to the OP. Grapes make better wine if they are nitrogen
and water stressed. If water and nitrogen are available, ad libitum,
they will vegetate and not set fruit.

Add more Bone Meal to the soil?

With grapes, the roots don't need it. I would worry about encouraging
excessive fruit by adding excessive bone meal. One way of producing
higher quality wines is to drop (cut-off) part of the crop (1/4 - 1/2).
Normally, growers are looking at around 4 1/2 tons per acre, if it is
less than that, then bone meal would probably be helpful.

I added extra bone meal to the flower bed this year.

I ended up with unhappy plants and NO blooms.

They must need a happy medium. I will do major soil revision. Might even
lift the peruvian daffodils to see if I can keep from losing them. :-(

I only add bone meal to new bulbs or plants I treat as bulbs.

Bill who thinks about that mad cow stuff for some reason.

PS Just went to a new computer system and it has been slow.

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Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA