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Furmint Grape Vines Sought
I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without
any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul |
Furmint Grape Vines Sought
In article ,
"Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
Furmint Grape Vines Sought
"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul |
Furmint Grape Vines Sought
In article ,
"Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness, mouth feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it will have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless). If the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11% alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have taste like? -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
Furmint Grape Vines Sought
On Jul 3, 2:43*am, Billy wrote:
In article , *"Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message .... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to *be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness, mouth feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it will have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless). If the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11% alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have taste like? -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related Hi, I went to the KZ Goriska Brda - Dobrovo winery in Slovenia (which is on the border with northern Italy) a couple of years ago as part of my honeymoon ^_^. The climate is very close to that of mid northern Italy. I didn't try wine from the varietal you mention unfortunately, but tried many wines from their range. I think they are the biggest cellar or even producer in the country and used giant stainless steel tanks first. Subsequently they ferment in Oak barrels for the european market and in steel tanks with oak chippings for the US market. The guide told me that the American market seems to prefer the taste that way. I know none of this helps the OP much, but I thought I'd chip in :) Jim |
Furmint Grape Vines Sought
"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness, mouth feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it will have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless). If the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11% alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have taste like? After 30 years, I remember it as having spicy tones and being very crisp, somewhat Gewurztraminer-ish. It was my favorite of the Slovenian varieties. I picked up some more recent descriptions on the Web: "It has a lively, fruity, almost peppery nose with some grapey depth to it. The palate is really lively and fresh, with an exuberant fruity, spicy character and a hint of spritz on the bright, acidic finish. This is a very pure, clean, minerally white that's full flavoured but zippy, and would be a versatile food wine. " "The specialty of the area is Sipon: the must can achieve an outstanding content of aromatic oils and sugar, while the acids are less aggressive." I ordered the last seven bottles of Sipon in stock at Zachys in Scarsdale, NY, yesterday. They may be the last seven bottles in the U.S. I'll post a review when they arrive. Paul |
Furmint Grape Vines Sought
jim c wrote:
On Jul 3, 2:43 am, Billy wrote: In article , "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness, mouth feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it will have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless). If the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11% alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have taste like? -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related Hi, I went to the KZ Goriska Brda - Dobrovo winery in Slovenia (which is on the border with northern Italy) a couple of years ago as part of my honeymoon ^_^. The climate is very close to that of mid northern Italy. I didn't try wine from the varietal you mention unfortunately, but tried many wines from their range. I think they are the biggest cellar or even producer in the country and used giant stainless steel tanks first. Subsequently they ferment in Oak barrels for the european market and in steel tanks with oak chippings for the US market. The guide told me that the American market seems to prefer the taste that way. I know none of this helps the OP much, but I thought I'd chip in :) Jim I suppose a certain price point segment of the American market has gotten used to the more intense 'raw' taste of oak chip wine. I shudder that such an 'acquired taste' is now the preference for that segment. Gene |
Furmint Grape Vines Sought
In article ,
gene wrote: jim c wrote: On Jul 3, 2:43 am, Billy wrote: In article , "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness, mouth feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it will have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless). If the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11% alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have taste like? -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.yo utube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related Hi, I went to the KZ Goriska Brda - Dobrovo winery in Slovenia (which is on the border with northern Italy) a couple of years ago as part of my honeymoon ^_^. The climate is very close to that of mid northern Italy. I didn't try wine from the varietal you mention unfortunately, but tried many wines from their range. I think they are the biggest cellar or even producer in the country and used giant stainless steel tanks first. Subsequently they ferment in Oak barrels for the european market and in steel tanks with oak chippings for the US market. The guide told me that the American market seems to prefer the taste that way. I know none of this helps the OP much, but I thought I'd chip in :) Jim I suppose a certain price point segment of the American market has gotten used to the more intense 'raw' taste of oak chip wine. I shudder that such an 'acquired taste' is now the preference for that segment. Gene Most French and German wine sells for less than 5 euros ($7.50) or a euro/liter at a co-op, in the country of origin. European oak barrels cost $700 f.o.b. here in the US ($2.50/btl). Only the prestigious brands can afford oak because otherwise if a small producer raises his/her price by half a euro, the buyers will go to their neighbors to buy at the old price. Tank fermentation with oak chips isn't rare in this country either but it is usually done with red wines. Usually, with white wines, one doesn't want to obscure the fruit with oak. On the other hand, if the wine doesn't have any fruit (poor fruit or practices), a little oak may make the wine more interesting. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
Furmint Grape Vines Sought
On Jul 3, 9:08 am, "Pavel314" wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness, mouth feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it will have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless). If the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11% alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have taste like? After 30 years, I remember it as having spicy tones and being very crisp, somewhat Gewurztraminer-ish. It was my favorite of the Slovenian varieties. I picked up some more recent descriptions on the Web: "It has a lively, fruity, almost peppery nose with some grapey depth to it. The palate is really lively and fresh, with an exuberant fruity, spicy character and a hint of spritz on the bright, acidic finish. This is a very pure, clean, minerally white that's full flavoured but zippy, and would be a versatile food wine. " "The specialty of the area is Sipon: the must can achieve an outstanding content of aromatic oils and sugar, while the acids are less aggressive." I ordered the last seven bottles of Sipon in stock at Zachys in Scarsdale, NY, yesterday. They may be the last seven bottles in the U.S. I'll post a review when they arrive. Paul You could check with Cornell too but Traminette grows well here in the Northeast and sounds very similar. It's my favorite local white. Joe |
Furmint Grape Vines Sought
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, Joe Sallustio wrote: On Jul 3, 9:08 am, "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness, mouth feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it will have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless). If the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11% alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have taste like? After 30 years, I remember it as having spicy tones and being very crisp, somewhat Gewurztraminer-ish. It was my favorite of the Slovenian varieties. I picked up some more recent descriptions on the Web: "It has a lively, fruity, almost peppery nose with some grapey depth to it. The palate is really lively and fresh, with an exuberant fruity, spicy character and a hint of spritz on the bright, acidic finish. This is a very pure, clean, minerally white that's full flavoured but zippy, and would be a versatile food wine. " "The specialty of the area is Sipon: the must can achieve an outstanding content of aromatic oils and sugar, while the acids are less aggressive." I ordered the last seven bottles of Sipon in stock at Zachys in Scarsdale, NY, yesterday. They may be the last seven bottles in the U.S. I'll post a review when they arrive. Paul You could check with Cornell too but Traminette grows well here in the Northeast and sounds very similar. It's my favorite local white. Joe Traminette is a European hybrid (Joannes Seyve 23.416 x 'Gewürztraminer). It will be less good than a good gewürztraminer, which can be exceptional, with distinctive aromas of rose oil. I suspect that furmint is more like a good pinot grigio. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
Furmint Grape Vines Sought
On Jul 3, 10:21*pm, Billy wrote:
In article , *Joe Sallustio wrote: On Jul 3, 9:08 am, "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list.. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to *be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness, mouth feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it will have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless).. If the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11% alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have taste like? After 30 years, I remember it as having spicy tones and being very crisp, somewhat Gewurztraminer-ish. It was my favorite of the Slovenian varieties. I picked up some more recent descriptions on the Web: "It has a lively, fruity, almost peppery nose with some grapey depth to it. The palate is really lively and fresh, with an exuberant fruity, spicy character and a hint of spritz on the bright, acidic finish. This is a very pure, clean, minerally white that's full flavoured but zippy, and would be a versatile food wine. " "The specialty of the area is Sipon: the must can achieve an outstanding content of aromatic oils and sugar, while the acids are less aggressive." I ordered the last seven bottles of Sipon in stock at Zachys in Scarsdale, NY, yesterday. They may be the last seven bottles in the U.S. I'll post a review when they arrive. Paul You could check with Cornell too but Traminette grows well here in the Northeast and sounds very similar. *It's my favorite local white. Joe Traminette is a European hybrid (Joannes Seyve 23.416 x 'Gewürztraminer). It will be less good than a good gewürztraminer, which can be exceptional, with distinctive aromas of rose oil. * I suspect that furmint is more like a good pinot grigio. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
Furmint Grape Vines Sought
Would you care to elaborate on you post?
Chateau.pp? With a name like that, you are going to need one hell of a good lable;-) In article , pp wrote: On Jul 3, 10:21*pm, Billy wrote: In article , *Joe Sallustio wrote: On Jul 3, 9:08 am, "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message .. . In article , "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message u... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to *be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness, mouth feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it will have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless). If the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11% alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have taste like? After 30 years, I remember it as having spicy tones and being very crisp, somewhat Gewurztraminer-ish. It was my favorite of the Slovenian varieties. I picked up some more recent descriptions on the Web: "It has a lively, fruity, almost peppery nose with some grapey depth to it. The palate is really lively and fresh, with an exuberant fruity, spicy character and a hint of spritz on the bright, acidic finish. This is a very pure, clean, minerally white that's full flavoured but zippy, and would be a versatile food wine. " "The specialty of the area is Sipon: the must can achieve an outstanding content of aromatic oils and sugar, while the acids are less aggressive." I ordered the last seven bottles of Sipon in stock at Zachys in Scarsdale, NY, yesterday. They may be the last seven bottles in the U.S. I'll post a review when they arrive. Paul You could check with Cornell too but Traminette grows well here in the Northeast and sounds very similar. *It's my favorite local white. Joe Traminette is a European hybrid (Joannes Seyve 23.416 x 'Gewürztraminer). It will be less good than a good gewürztraminer, which can be exceptional, with distinctive aromas of rose oil. * I suspect that furmint is more like a good pinot grigio. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.you tube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
Furmint Grape Vines Sought
On Jul 3, 3:07*pm, gene wrote:
jim c wrote: On Jul 3, 2:43 am, Billy wrote: In article , *"Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to *be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness, mouth feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it will have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless). If the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11% alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have taste like? -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.... Hi, I went to the KZ Goriska Brda - Dobrovo winery in Slovenia (which is on the border with northern Italy) a couple of years ago as part of my honeymoon ^_^. *The climate is very close to that of mid northern Italy. I didn't try wine from the varietal you mention unfortunately, but tried many wines from their range. *I think they are the biggest cellar or even producer in the country and used giant stainless steel tanks first. *Subsequently they ferment in Oak barrels for the european market and in steel tanks with oak chippings for the US market. *The guide told me that the American market seems to prefer the taste that way. I know none of this helps the OP much, but I thought I'd chip in :) Jim I suppose a certain price point segment of the American market has gotten used to the more intense 'raw' taste of oak chip wine. I shudder that such an 'acquired taste' is now the preference for that segment. Gene I must admit I like really bold oak flavours and I am too philistine to mind how it got there. I am a wine noob, I have to add... |
Furmint Grape Vines Sought
On Jul 3, 3:07*pm, gene wrote:
jim c wrote: On Jul 3, 2:43 am, Billy wrote: In article , *"Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to *be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness, mouth feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it will have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless). If the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11% alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have taste like? -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.... Hi, I went to the KZ Goriska Brda - Dobrovo winery in Slovenia (which is on the border with northern Italy) a couple of years ago as part of my honeymoon ^_^. *The climate is very close to that of mid northern Italy. I didn't try wine from the varietal you mention unfortunately, but tried many wines from their range. *I think they are the biggest cellar or even producer in the country and used giant stainless steel tanks first. *Subsequently they ferment in Oak barrels for the european market and in steel tanks with oak chippings for the US market. *The guide told me that the American market seems to prefer the taste that way. I know none of this helps the OP much, but I thought I'd chip in :) Jim I suppose a certain price point segment of the American market has gotten used to the more intense 'raw' taste of oak chip wine. I shudder that such an 'acquired taste' is now the preference for that segment. Gene Sorry, I meant to add that the flavour of the wine was the selling point that they felt they were fulfiling rather than the price (I did ask). But, I can see where you are coming from I think. If the preference is nurtured then the price point is established... |
Furmint Grape Vines Sought
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, jim c wrote: On Jul 3, 3:07*pm, gene wrote: jim c wrote: On Jul 3, 2:43 am, Billy wrote: In article , *"Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message .. . In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to *be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness, mouth feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it will have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless). If the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11% alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have taste like? -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www. ... Hi, I went to the KZ Goriska Brda - Dobrovo winery in Slovenia (which is on the border with northern Italy) a couple of years ago as part of my honeymoon ^_^. *The climate is very close to that of mid northern Italy. I didn't try wine from the varietal you mention unfortunately, but tried many wines from their range. *I think they are the biggest cellar or even producer in the country and used giant stainless steel tanks first. *Subsequently they ferment in Oak barrels for the european market and in steel tanks with oak chippings for the US market. *The guide told me that the American market seems to prefer the taste that way. I know none of this helps the OP much, but I thought I'd chip in :) Jim I suppose a certain price point segment of the American market has gotten used to the more intense 'raw' taste of oak chip wine. I shudder that such an 'acquired taste' is now the preference for that segment. Gene Sorry, I meant to add that the flavour of the wine was the selling point that they felt they were fulfiling rather than the price (I did ask). But, I can see where you are coming from I think. If the preference is nurtured then the price point is established... Now I am confused as to what you are trying to say. By and large, chardonnay is the only white wine fermented in oak barrels. The Germans sometimes ferment in large oak casks in which, because of age and lack of sufficient surface area, they leave no flavor in the wine. It makes no since for an inexpensive wine to be fermented in oak, especially when it is a white wine, whose selling point is its' fruitiness. The taste preference has probably been established since the Roman occupation. For conspicuous consumption a Slav would probably go for a French, German, Italian, American, or Australian wine. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
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