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Spaade 29-03-2009 05:03 AM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
Anyone know of any online sites from anywhere in the world that sell high quality seeds and have a really good reputation as being one of the best in the world?

Price isnt really an issue...I guess

What I'm looking for is seeds for fruits and vegetables like Oranges, Tomatoes, Cucumbers, etc. that sort of thing

I'm not a gardener myself, I want to buy them for my parents

Yea so I'm looking for a place that offers some of the best seeds in the world, can anyone recommend?

David Hare-Scott[_2_] 29-03-2009 11:36 AM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
Spaade wrote:
Anyone know of any online sites from anywhere in the world that sell
high quality seeds and have a really good reputation as being one of
the best in the world?


Not a good idea overall, get the best local seeds

Price isnt really an issue...I guess

What I'm looking for is seeds for fruits and vegetables like Oranges,
Tomatoes, Cucumbers, etc. that sort of thing


You don't grow oranges from seed as they have grafted root stock.

I'm not a gardener myself, I want to buy them for my parents


Talk to them about what they want and can grow in their garden, no point in
getting stuff that is not suitable, there are many reasons why it might not
be.

Yea so I'm looking for a place that offers some of the best seeds in
the world, can anyone recommend?


The "best" is not important in comparison to what is suitable, available and
legally transportable.

David


Ernie Willson 29-03-2009 01:38 PM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 


Spaade wrote:
Anyone know of any online sites from anywhere in the world that sell
high quality seeds and have a really good reputation as being one of
the best in the world?

Price isnt really an issue...I guess

What I'm looking for is seeds for fruits and vegetables like Oranges,
Tomatoes, Cucumbers, etc. that sort of thing

I'm not a gardener myself, I want to buy them for my parents

Yea so I'm looking for a place that offers some of the best seeds in
the world, can anyone recommend?


Where are you located?





The Cook 29-03-2009 02:08 PM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:36:24 +1100, "David Hare-Scott"
wrote:

Spaade wrote:
Anyone know of any online sites from anywhere in the world that sell
high quality seeds and have a really good reputation as being one of
the best in the world?


Not a good idea overall, get the best local seeds

Price isnt really an issue...I guess

What I'm looking for is seeds for fruits and vegetables like Oranges,
Tomatoes, Cucumbers, etc. that sort of thing


You don't grow oranges from seed as they have grafted root stock.

I'm not a gardener myself, I want to buy them for my parents


Talk to them about what they want and can grow in their garden, no point in
getting stuff that is not suitable, there are many reasons why it might not
be.

Yea so I'm looking for a place that offers some of the best seeds in
the world, can anyone recommend?


The "best" is not important in comparison to what is suitable, available and
legally transportable.

David



David is correct.

First thing is to find out if your parents want a garden. Are you
planning to start it and keep it up? You don't just stick seeds in
the ground and to pick fruits and vegetables. There is lots of upkeep
needed. Are they willing and able to do the work? How much space is
available for a garden?

Next go to a reputable nursery in your area and see what is available.
Local nurseries do not usually stock things that do not grow well in
their area. When to plant and how long until maturity is also
necessary information. Where I live there is no way I can have greens
and tomatoes, cucumbers and peppers fresh at the same time.

From the list of what grows you can make a decision about what to
plant and how many. Do you want just enough to eat in season or do
you want enough to preserve? Make sure you check each plant to see
how much room it needs. Compare this information with the space
available for the garden.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

bigmike20vt 15-04-2009 03:48 PM

Hi

whilst it is probably true about buying locally.

If this isnt an option for what ever reason, I have had very good experiences with

http://www.nickys-nursery.co.uk/

almost all my chilli, tomato and other veg seeds have germinated and are doing well.

Billy[_7_] 15-04-2009 10:53 PM

minimum pot size for chili plants
 
In article ,
bigmike20vt wrote:

Hi

my 1st post, maybe of many ;)

i have 50 chilli plants.

various variaties - 7 different types - 8 including my sweet peppers.

now last year i used pretty big pots for each plant, however with so
many this year (for jams and chuckneys) i need to know the minimum pot
size i can get away with for average sized chilli plants so as not to
hold them back too much.

am hoping 3ltr pots will do it, but smaller would be good if poss... i
used 6 liter pots last year but i just do not have room for 50 of
them!, and the compost would cost a fortune.

thanks for any advice. am wondering if i could use small tomato
growbags at a push, maybe 4 plants in each one.

cheers
M.


The size of your plant will depend on the size of its' root system.
Smaller pots = smaller plants.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

Tim 16-04-2009 12:37 AM

minimum pot size for chili plants
 
Billy wrote:
In article ,
bigmike20vt wrote:

Hi

my 1st post, maybe of many ;)

i have 50 chilli plants.

various variaties - 7 different types - 8 including my sweet peppers.

now last year i used pretty big pots for each plant, however with so
many this year (for jams and chuckneys) i need to know the minimum pot
size i can get away with for average sized chilli plants so as not to
hold them back too much.

am hoping 3ltr pots will do it, but smaller would be good if poss... i
used 6 liter pots last year but i just do not have room for 50 of
them!, and the compost would cost a fortune.

thanks for any advice. am wondering if i could use small tomato
growbags at a push, maybe 4 plants in each one.

cheers
M.


The size of your plant will depend on the size of its' root system.
Smaller pots = smaller plants.



Hello Mike,

I have been growing all my veggies in containers for a while now.
For the last few years I have had 24 pepper plants in six plastic
"window planters" that are 6" wide by about 3'long and 5 or 6" deep, 4
plants to the container. I grow jalapeρo, cayenne, Ital hots, and
habbies. I don't know about the size of the plants, but I am very
happy with their production.
Keep them watered and well fed, I think you may be surprised.
Good luck!

Tim

Dioclese 16-04-2009 02:43 AM

minimum pot size for chili plants
 
"bigmike20vt" wrote in message
...

Hi

my 1st post, maybe of many ;)

i have 50 chilli plants.

various variaties - 7 different types - 8 including my sweet peppers.

now last year i used pretty big pots for each plant, however with so
many this year (for jams and chuckneys) i need to know the minimum pot
size i can get away with for average sized chilli plants so as not to
hold them back too much.

am hoping 3ltr pots will do it, but smaller would be good if poss... i
used 6 liter pots last year but i just do not have room for 50 of
them!, and the compost would cost a fortune.

thanks for any advice. am wondering if i could use small tomato
growbags at a push, maybe 4 plants in each one.

cheers
M.




--
bigmike20vt


You're more likely to get a suitable response if you don't divulge the
specific species of peppers, number of plants per pot, and growing
environment you have. WTF is "sweet peppers", I'm a TX guy, jalapenos and
habeneros guy. Rarely, I use bell peppers in a stews that I make from time
to time. Can you educate me in wimpy Yankee "peppers" and why you grow
them, what you use them for?
--
Dave
Dependency on large banks is undermining your, your children's, and
grandchildren's future. Stop hiding behind the numbers and politicians...



Billy[_7_] 16-04-2009 07:02 AM

minimum pot size for chili plants
 
In article ,
"Dioclese" NONE wrote:

"bigmike20vt" wrote in message
...

Hi

my 1st post, maybe of many ;)

i have 50 chilli plants.

various variaties - 7 different types - 8 including my sweet peppers.

now last year i used pretty big pots for each plant, however with so
many this year (for jams and chuckneys) i need to know the minimum pot
size i can get away with for average sized chilli plants so as not to
hold them back too much.

am hoping 3ltr pots will do it, but smaller would be good if poss... i
used 6 liter pots last year but i just do not have room for 50 of
them!, and the compost would cost a fortune.

thanks for any advice. am wondering if i could use small tomato
growbags at a push, maybe 4 plants in each one.

cheers
M.




--
bigmike20vt


You're more likely to get a suitable response if you don't divulge the
specific species of peppers, number of plants per pot, and growing
environment you have. WTF is "sweet peppers", I'm a TX guy, jalapenos and
habeneros guy. Rarely, I use bell peppers in a stews that I make from time
to time. Can you educate me in wimpy Yankee "peppers" and why you grow
them, what you use them for?


Dave has obviously never had a thick, grilled, red, bell pepper. The
last tough yahoo who wanted one of my habaneros, gobbled it down, barfed
it up, and went home sick. I don't have a recipe that calls for more
than a half of a habanero and that's for four people. I don't know what
to tell you, if you think that you have to suffer to be a real man.
Maybe your not a real man until you have your first heart attack?

You drinking again Dave, or are you a graduate of the Shelley School of
Charm?
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

bigmike20vt 16-04-2009 10:22 AM

Thanks everyone for the responses (tho it seems that they have gone on the wrong thread so sorry to the OP who was asking about buying the best seeds!).

to answer Dave, who i am sure drives a Chelsea Tractor to keep his man image intact as well ;)

my chilis/peppers are as follows

Jalapeno purple
Habanero orange
habanero Caribbean red
Pepper De Arbol
Indian Fire Cracker
Hungarian Hot Wax
Scotch bonnet Red
Pepper (Capsicum) Fresno
Naga Morich
Anahiem TMR chillies
sweet pepper Bellboy F1

Billy[_7_] 16-04-2009 08:40 PM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
In article ,
bigmike20vt wrote:

Thanks everyone for the responses (tho it seems that they have gone on
the wrong thread so sorry to the OP who was asking about buying the
best seeds!).

to answer Dave, who i am sure drives a Chelsea Tractor to keep his man
image intact as well ;)

my chilis/peppers are as follows

Jalapeno purple
Habanero orange
habanero Caribbean red
Pepper De Arbol
Indian Fire Cracker
Hungarian Hot Wax
Scotch bonnet Red
Pepper (Capsicum) Fresno
Naga Morich
Anahiem TMR chillies
sweet pepper Bellboy F1


Man, you must hate mornings ;O)
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

Tim 16-04-2009 09:44 PM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
snip

Jalapeno purple
Habanero orange
habanero Caribbean red
Pepper De Arbol
Indian Fire Cracker
Hungarian Hot Wax
Scotch bonnet Red
Pepper (Capsicum) Fresno
Naga Morich
Anahiem TMR chillies
sweet pepper Bellboy F1


Man, you must hate mornings ;O)


LOL!!!! Really tho, I think heat is all relative. I don't know
about anyone else, but the flavor, along with a little bite is why
I grow my peppers. He does have a nice selection...I've never heard of
the Naga Morich, or the Caribbean habby, gonna have to look those up.
Makes me wish my garden center was better stocked!

btw--- I always thought the Scotch Bonnet and the habby were almost the
exact same pepper?

Tim

Billy[_7_] 16-04-2009 10:56 PM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
In article ,
Tim wrote:

snip

Jalapeno purple
Habanero orange
habanero Caribbean red
Pepper De Arbol
Indian Fire Cracker
Hungarian Hot Wax
Scotch bonnet Red
Pepper (Capsicum) Fresno
Naga Morich
Anahiem TMR chillies
sweet pepper Bellboy F1


Man, you must hate mornings ;O)


LOL!!!! Really tho, I think heat is all relative. I don't know
about anyone else, but the flavor, along with a little bite is why
I grow my peppers. He does have a nice selection...I've never heard of
the Naga Morich, or the Caribbean habby, gonna have to look those up.
Makes me wish my garden center was better stocked!

btw--- I always thought the Scotch Bonnet and the habby were almost the
exact same pepper?

Tim


Slightly different shape. Scotch Bonnet is a little shorter and plumper.
All of which is lost on your anal sphincter. Ice cream helps but melts,
if you sit on it for too long;O)
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

Tim 17-04-2009 01:26 AM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
Charlie wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:40:27 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
bigmike20vt wrote:

Thanks everyone for the responses (tho it seems that they have gone on
the wrong thread so sorry to the OP who was asking about buying the
best seeds!).

to answer Dave, who i am sure drives a Chelsea Tractor to keep his man
image intact as well ;)

my chilis/peppers are as follows

Jalapeno purple
Habanero orange
habanero Caribbean red
Pepper De Arbol
Indian Fire Cracker
Hungarian Hot Wax
Scotch bonnet Red
Pepper (Capsicum) Fresno
Naga Morich
Anahiem TMR chillies
sweet pepper Bellboy F1

Man, you must hate mornings ;O)


It's been said that a teaspoon of cayenne (or any hot pepper powder or
tincture) mixed in a glass of water and glugged down will stop or
mitigate a heart or brain attack.

It's also said that the same dosage thrice daily will promote
circulation and help in cases of arterial baddies. Good fer the colon
also, it's said.

Try it, tain't near as hot as one would imagine, though I'd suggest
stirring it in cold water.

Part of my daily downings. Next morning complaints are short lived.

Charlie

Now thats truly interesting, where did you learn that?
I eat raw garlic, said to have the same
effect, but I just like the taste. much to my wifes regret
Billy, do you really have that problem the next day? I never have...
Must be lucky.

hmmm...Its time...wine is good for you too, mix the cayenne with the
garlic, throw in some rose hips, an eye of newt, hair of toad...stir,
stir........

Tim


Dioclese 17-04-2009 03:39 AM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
"bigmike20vt" wrote in message
...

Thanks everyone for the responses (tho it seems that they have gone on
the wrong thread so sorry to the OP who was asking about buying the
best seeds!).

to answer Dave, who i am sure drives a Chelsea Tractor to keep his man
image intact as well ;)

my chilis/peppers are as follows

Jalapeno purple
Habanero orange
habanero Caribbean red
Pepper De Arbol
Indian Fire Cracker
Hungarian Hot Wax
Scotch bonnet Red
Pepper (Capsicum) Fresno
Naga Morich
Anahiem TMR chillies
sweet pepper Bellboy F1




--
bigmike20vt


Hell yes. You the man. Wish you didn't have to piggyback on Nancy's
response to respond to me though. Again, what is the sweetpepper thing and
what do you use it in?
--
Dave
April 16th, 2009 Day 1 post Tea Party.
This day in history occurred:
Nancy Pelosi response was undignified per her allegation that such are
funded by right wing money big money and attended exclusively by right wing
extremists.
White House staff indicated that officially not recognizing the nation-wide
gatherings in any fashion.
Some news reporters were found attempting to goad responses from attendees
at the gatherings with response not filling their (some news reporters) TV
political needs. Too bad for them.
Woebama in Mexico. 2nd amendment rights being pinged again. Ignoring
locking down the U.S/Mexico border again.
We thte people...
No political party or otherwise in that.
Locked signature to prevent subsequent historical revisionism.



Dioclese 17-04-2009 03:52 AM

minimum pot size for chili plants
 
"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Dioclese" NONE wrote:

"bigmike20vt" wrote in message
...

Hi

my 1st post, maybe of many ;)

i have 50 chilli plants.

various variaties - 7 different types - 8 including my sweet peppers.

now last year i used pretty big pots for each plant, however with so
many this year (for jams and chuckneys) i need to know the minimum pot
size i can get away with for average sized chilli plants so as not to
hold them back too much.

am hoping 3ltr pots will do it, but smaller would be good if poss... i
used 6 liter pots last year but i just do not have room for 50 of
them!, and the compost would cost a fortune.

thanks for any advice. am wondering if i could use small tomato
growbags at a push, maybe 4 plants in each one.

cheers
M.




--
bigmike20vt


You're more likely to get a suitable response if you don't divulge the
specific species of peppers, number of plants per pot, and growing
environment you have. WTF is "sweet peppers", I'm a TX guy, jalapenos
and
habeneros guy. Rarely, I use bell peppers in a stews that I make from
time
to time. Can you educate me in wimpy Yankee "peppers" and why you grow
them, what you use them for?


Dave has obviously never had a thick, grilled, red, bell pepper. The
last tough yahoo who wanted one of my habaneros, gobbled it down, barfed
it up, and went home sick. I don't have a recipe that calls for more
than a half of a habanero and that's for four people. I don't know what
to tell you, if you think that you have to suffer to be a real man.
Maybe your not a real man until you have your first heart attack?

You drinking again Dave, or are you a graduate of the Shelley School of
Charm?
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html


Nancy, Nancy, Nancy. You obviously don't know anything about me. But would
expect such a response to fit your picture of the world.

I say what I think. You say what other's say, no personal opinion, no
thought, just "facts" as other see them to support your original posts.
Really original (sic). Pretty safe in that world, eh Nancy?
--
Dave
April 16th, 2009 Day 1 post Tea Party.
This day in history occurred:
Nancy Pelosi response was undignified per her allegation that such are
funded by right wing money big money and attended exclusively by right wing
extremists.
White House staff indicated that officially not recognizing the nation-wide
gatherings in any fashion.
Some news reporters were found attempting to goad responses from attendees
at the gatherings with response not filling their (some news reporters) TV
political needs. Too bad for them.
Woebama in Mexico. 2nd amendment rights being pinged again. Ignoring
locking down the U.S/Mexico border again.
We thte people...
No political party or otherwise in that.
Locked signature to prevent subsequent historical revisionism.



Billy[_7_] 17-04-2009 05:58 AM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
In article ,
"Dioclese" NONE wrote:

"bigmike20vt" wrote in message
...

Thanks everyone for the responses (tho it seems that they have gone on
the wrong thread so sorry to the OP who was asking about buying the
best seeds!).

to answer Dave, who i am sure drives a Chelsea Tractor to keep his man
image intact as well ;)

my chilis/peppers are as follows

Jalapeno purple
Habanero orange
habanero Caribbean red
Pepper De Arbol
Indian Fire Cracker
Hungarian Hot Wax
Scotch bonnet Red
Pepper (Capsicum) Fresno
Naga Morich
Anahiem TMR chillies
sweet pepper Bellboy F1




--
bigmike20vt


Hell yes. You the man. Wish you didn't have to piggyback on Nancy's
response to respond to me though. Again, what is the sweetpepper thing and
what do you use it in?
--
Dave
April, 2009 1 Tea.
This in occurred:
Nancy response undignified her that are
by wing big and exclusively right
extremists.
White staff that not the
gatherings any.
Some reporters found to responses attendees
at gatherings response filling (some reporters)
political. Too for.
Woebama Mexico. amendment being again.
locking the border again.
We thte people... (are you saying white people here wing-nut?)
political or in.
Locked to subsequent revisionism.


Well Daffy Dave seems to be everywhere tonight. He seems to think that
the lunatic fringe are the only people worried about the economy and
where Obama is leading us. Problem is that it wouldn't do anyone any
good to be associated with a Bushite, who brought us to the party.
Dave is obviously going to be hysterical for a few days. Don't forget to
water your plants Dave. Maybe they would like to hear your opinions;O)
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

Billy[_7_] 17-04-2009 06:05 AM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
In article ,
Tim wrote:

Charlie wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:40:27 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
bigmike20vt wrote:

Thanks everyone for the responses (tho it seems that they have gone on
the wrong thread so sorry to the OP who was asking about buying the
best seeds!).

to answer Dave, who i am sure drives a Chelsea Tractor to keep his man
image intact as well ;)

my chilis/peppers are as follows

Jalapeno purple
Habanero orange
habanero Caribbean red
Pepper De Arbol
Indian Fire Cracker
Hungarian Hot Wax
Scotch bonnet Red
Pepper (Capsicum) Fresno
Naga Morich
Anahiem TMR chillies
sweet pepper Bellboy F1
Man, you must hate mornings ;O)


It's been said that a teaspoon of cayenne (or any hot pepper powder or
tincture) mixed in a glass of water and glugged down will stop or
mitigate a heart or brain attack.

It's also said that the same dosage thrice daily will promote
circulation and help in cases of arterial baddies. Good fer the colon
also, it's said.

Try it, tain't near as hot as one would imagine, though I'd suggest
stirring it in cold water.

Part of my daily downings. Next morning complaints are short lived.

Charlie

Now thats truly interesting, where did you learn that?
I eat raw garlic, said to have the same
effect, but I just like the taste. much to my wifes regret
Billy, do you really have that problem the next day? I never have...
Must be lucky.


Must have an asbestos anal sphincter!


hmmm...Its time...wine is good for you too, mix the cayenne with the
garlic, throw in some rose hips, an eye of newt, hair of toad...stir,
stir........

Tim

Just keep stirring Tim, I was with ya up to the rose hips.
Garlic and ginger are supposed to be the two best things that a person
can eat (at least for fudge factors) and lots of green leaves like
lettuce, mustard, cabbage, and chard. It's the processed foods that will
do you in. Hard to say, when I like French bread and flour tortillas so
much.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

Billy[_7_] 17-04-2009 06:08 AM

minimum pot size for chili plants
 
In article ,
"Dioclese" NONE wrote:

I say what I think.


You think? Well, I suppose we all have our little conceits.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

bigmike20vt 17-04-2009 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dioclese (Post 839188)

Hell yes. You the man. Wish you didn't have to piggyback on Nancy's
response to respond to me though. Again, what is the sweetpepper thing and
what do you use it in?


Some interesting advice on this thread.

if its true that capsaicin helps reduce heart disease and strokes, I am laughing as i eat a LOT of hot food ;)

the sweet peppers usually i would use in salads, sandwiches, chinese food and sometimes (rarely) stuffed and roasted in the oven.

the hotter chilis i use in sandwiches, pickles/chutney, most of my cooking .......

and games of chance or arcade games on my arcade machine where penalties for losing include vodka shots, chilis etc

yes i am a child at heart!.

Tim 17-04-2009 05:23 PM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
Charlie wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:05:18 -0700, Billy
wrote:


Must have an asbestos anal sphincter!



Oh puleeeze.....a hardass like you?

Wuss.

Charlie


hehehe....I don't know, it's just never bothered me.
Course, I was raised on chilli dogs from New Castle, Pa,
and the sauce was very tasty & hot..Eh, that was in the sixties, now its
not even there...We used to get 2 quarts of the sauce and put it on
everything from fries to salads....Man was it good.
I do draw the line at biting into a habby, tho...I like to taste my food
along with the flavor of a good pepper.

I am going to have to view the link thats in here somewhere about the
cayenne as I have some heart issues myself. Like the damn thing quits
beating every now and then...You think a hot pepper kicks, ya oughta
feel my defibrillator!

btw -- the Rose hips were to make it smell better!

Tim

Steve Peek 17-04-2009 11:35 PM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 

Charlie wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:40:27 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
bigmike20vt wrote:

Thanks everyone for the responses (tho it seems that they have gone on
the wrong thread so sorry to the OP who was asking about buying the
best seeds!).

to answer Dave, who i am sure drives a Chelsea Tractor to keep his man
image intact as well ;)

my chilis/peppers are as follows

Jalapeno purple
Habanero orange
habanero Caribbean red
Pepper De Arbol
Indian Fire Cracker
Hungarian Hot Wax
Scotch bonnet Red
Pepper (Capsicum) Fresno
Naga Morich
Anahiem TMR chillies
sweet pepper Bellboy F1


Man, you must hate mornings ;O)


It's been said that a teaspoon of cayenne (or any hot pepper powder or
tincture) mixed in a glass of water and glugged down will stop or
mitigate a heart or brain attack.

It's also said that the same dosage thrice daily will promote
circulation and help in cases of arterial baddies. Good fer the colon
also, it's said.

Try it, tain't near as hot as one would imagine, though I'd suggest
stirring it in cold water.

Part of my daily downings. Next morning complaints are short lived.

Charlie


Dang Charlie, that'd prolly cure hemorrhoids too.



Dioclese 18-04-2009 12:22 AM

minimum pot size for chili plants
 
"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Dioclese" NONE wrote:

I say what I think.


You think? Well, I suppose we all have our little conceits.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html


So now its conceited to have individual thought. Kinda expected something
like that from Nancy. It may take a few years for most to be aware, but
many people are starting to wake up now to such views opposing the very U.S
Constitution. Be wary, Nancy.
--
Dave
April 16th, 2009 Day 1 post Tea Party.
This day in history occurred:
Nancy Pelosi response was undignified per her allegation that such are
funded by right wing money big money and attended exclusively by right wing
extremists.
White House staff indicated that officially not recognizing the nation-wide
gatherings in any fashion.
Some news reporters were found attempting to goad responses from attendees
at the gatherings with response not filling their (some news reporters) TV
political needs. Too bad for them.
Woebama in Mexico. 2nd amendment rights being pinged again. Ignoring
locking down the U.S/Mexico border again.
We the people...
No political party or otherwise in that.
Locked signature to prevent subsequent historical revisionism.



Dioclese 18-04-2009 12:28 AM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Dioclese" NONE wrote:

"bigmike20vt" wrote in message
...

Thanks everyone for the responses (tho it seems that they have gone on
the wrong thread so sorry to the OP who was asking about buying the
best seeds!).

to answer Dave, who i am sure drives a Chelsea Tractor to keep his man
image intact as well ;)

my chilis/peppers are as follows

Jalapeno purple
Habanero orange
habanero Caribbean red
Pepper De Arbol
Indian Fire Cracker
Hungarian Hot Wax
Scotch bonnet Red
Pepper (Capsicum) Fresno
Naga Morich
Anahiem TMR chillies
sweet pepper Bellboy F1




--
bigmike20vt


Hell yes. You the man. Wish you didn't have to piggyback on Nancy's
response to respond to me though. Again, what is the sweetpepper thing
and
what do you use it in?
--
Dave
April, 2009 1 Tea.
This in occurred:
Nancy response undignified her that are
by wing big and exclusively right
extremists.
White staff that not the
gatherings any.
Some reporters found to responses attendees
at gatherings response filling (some reporters)
political. Too for.
Woebama Mexico. amendment being again.
locking the border again.
We thte people... (are you saying white people here wing-nut?)
political or in.
Locked to subsequent revisionism.


Well Daffy Dave seems to be everywhere tonight. He seems to think that
the lunatic fringe are the only people worried about the economy and
where Obama is leading us. Problem is that it wouldn't do anyone any
good to be associated with a Bushite, who brought us to the party.
Dave is obviously going to be hysterical for a few days. Don't forget to
water your plants Dave. Maybe they would like to hear your opinions;O)
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html


Meaningless, demeaning, and baseless criticism all in a few sentences. The
way of BOTH current political parties. You should be proud. If you smelled
something polical party oriented, wrong. We the people...
--
Dave
April 16th, 2009 Day 1 post Tea Party.
This day in history occurred:
Nancy Pelosi response was undignified per her allegation that such are
funded by right wing money big money and attended exclusively by right wing
extremists.
White House staff indicated that officially not recognizing the nation-wide
gatherings in any fashion.
Some news reporters were found attempting to goad responses from attendees
at the gatherings with response not filling their (some news reporters) TV
political needs. Too bad for them.
Woebama in Mexico. 2nd amendment rights being pinged again. Ignoring
locking down the U.S/Mexico border again.
We the people...
No political party or otherwise in that.
Locked signature to prevent subsequent historical revisionism.



Billy[_7_] 18-04-2009 01:00 AM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
In article ,
Tim wrote:

Charlie wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:05:18 -0700, Billy
wrote:


Must have an asbestos anal sphincter!



Oh puleeeze.....a hardass like you?

Wuss.

Charlie


hehehe....I don't know, it's just never bothered me.
Course, I was raised on chilli dogs from New Castle, Pa,
and the sauce was very tasty & hot..Eh, that was in the sixties, now its
not even there...We used to get 2 quarts of the sauce and put it on
everything from fries to salads....Man was it good.
I do draw the line at biting into a habby, tho...I like to taste my food
along with the flavor of a good pepper.

I am going to have to view the link thats in here somewhere about the
cayenne as I have some heart issues myself. Like the damn thing quits
beating every now and then...You think a hot pepper kicks, ya oughta
feel my defibrillator!

btw -- the Rose hips were to make it smell better!

Tim


News I heard about heart attacks was to keep coughing until the
ambulance arrives.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

Tim 18-04-2009 01:38 AM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 

I am going to have to view the link thats in here somewhere about the
cayenne as I have some heart issues myself. Like the damn thing quits
beating every now and then...You think a hot pepper kicks, ya oughta
feel my defibrillator!


Oh shit......bet that is a hell of a way to be awakened! When it
gives you a jolt, does it make you react like somebody goosed ya or
blurt out a Tourrette's type of thing? ;-)



Charlie


It's really never happened when I'm asleep.
To be honest with you, imagine standing with your eyes closed, knowing
that someone has a sledge-hammer in front of you....You don't know when
the hit is coming, but..................Thats about what it feels
like.....

Hey, I can still drink some wine, and grow some peppers! It don't get no
better!

Tim

Tim 18-04-2009 01:40 AM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 

Dang Charlie, that'd prolly cure hemorrhoids too.



http://www.hemorrhoid-treatment.info...oids-cure.html

;-)

Charlie


Ya GOTTA be kidding, right???
hehe

Tim

Billy[_7_] 18-04-2009 06:24 AM

minimum pot size for chili plants
 
In article ,
"Dioclese" NONE wrote:

Be wary, Nancy.

Cool, Einstein. Anything happens to me and you go to the top of the list.
Want to dig a deeper hole? Whadda ya got?

Should I be concerned about the books I read, the places I go, the
neighbors I speak to? Those were the worries I read about of the people
residing in the Third Reich, in the Soviet Union, in Fascist Italy.
Heil Michael Savage?

You enjoy being pathetic?
Get help is my best suggestion.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8000763.stm
Right-wing groups 'growing' in US
By Jon Donnison
BBC News, Washington
America could be facing a surge in right-wing extremism, according to a
new US government report.

Richard Poplawski, a member of a racist
group, killed three police officers

The Department of Homeland Security study says the election of America's
first black president and the economic slump has helped racist groups
recruit.

But the report says no specific attacks are being planned by extremists.
Some moderate conservatives fear the administration could use the report
as an excuse to tighten gun laws and restrict freedom of speech.

Pronounced threat

The report says that high unemployment figures and home foreclosures
have created a climate similar to the early 1990s when white
supremacists saw a growth period.

That resurgence was stifled in 1995 after an FBI crackdown on extreme
right groups following the Oklahoma City bombings which were carried out
by white supremacist Timothy McVeigh.

Some extreme right websites reported a surge in membership immediately
after Barack Obama's election.

The Homeland Security study says the threat posed by what it calls "lone
wolves" and "small terrorist cells" is more pronounced that in previous
years.

It cites an example two weeks ago when three police officers were shot
dead in Pittsburgh by Richard Poplawski, who had been a member of a
white supremacist group.

Some more moderate conservatives have criticised the Homeland Security
study. They believe the White House could use it to justify tougher gun
laws and restrictions on conservatives' freedom of speech.

The issue is being keenly debated on right-wing blogs and talk shows.
Radio talk show host Michael Savage, who runs the website Savage Nation,
is asking his readers whether Homeland Security Secretary Janet
Napolitano should step down for "targeting loyal, patriotic Americans as
possible terrorists".

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...as/8000763.stm

Published: 2009/04/15 16:52:55 GMT

© BBC MMIX
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

Billy[_7_] 18-04-2009 06:41 AM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
In article ,
"Steve Peek" wrote:

Charlie wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:40:27 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
bigmike20vt wrote:

Thanks everyone for the responses (tho it seems that they have gone on
the wrong thread so sorry to the OP who was asking about buying the
best seeds!).

to answer Dave, who i am sure drives a Chelsea Tractor to keep his man
image intact as well ;)

my chilis/peppers are as follows

Jalapeno purple
Habanero orange
habanero Caribbean red
Pepper De Arbol
Indian Fire Cracker
Hungarian Hot Wax
Scotch bonnet Red
Pepper (Capsicum) Fresno
Naga Morich
Anahiem TMR chillies
sweet pepper Bellboy F1

Man, you must hate mornings ;O)


It's been said that a teaspoon of cayenne (or any hot pepper powder or
tincture) mixed in a glass of water and glugged down will stop or
mitigate a heart or brain attack.

It's also said that the same dosage thrice daily will promote
circulation and help in cases of arterial baddies. Good fer the colon
also, it's said.

Try it, tain't near as hot as one would imagine, though I'd suggest
stirring it in cold water.

Part of my daily downings. Next morning complaints are short lived.

Charlie


Dang Charlie, that'd prolly cure hemorrhoids too.


You mean burn them right off.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

Billy[_7_] 18-04-2009 06:42 AM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
In article , Charlie wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:40:19 -0400, Tim wrote:


Dang Charlie, that'd prolly cure hemorrhoids too.



http://www.hemorrhoid-treatment.info...ective-hemorrh
oids-cure.html

;-)

Charlie


Ya GOTTA be kidding, right???
hehe

Tim


Takes "the burning and itching of ...." to another level, no?

Charlie


Aw Charlie, you gettin' me all puckered up.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

Lilah Morgan[_2_] 18-04-2009 07:28 AM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
FUDGE! FUDGE! FUDGE! I wonder if it would be possible to make ginger
fudge...though back to peppers and such, I have 2 cayennes that have
sprouted...has anyone ever made like a warming lotion for bad
circulation/frostbite using the crushed seeds?

Victoria, zone 5a
P.S. I also like flour tortillas as my tortilla of choice(out of 2 choices)
for the main Mexican food I eat, quesadillas. It's like a pizza but much
less hassle to make :-)

"Billy" wrote in message
...
Garlic and ginger are supposed to be the two best things that a person
can eat (at least for fudge factors) and lots of green leaves like
lettuce, mustard, cabbage, and chard. It's the processed foods that will
do you in. Hard to say, when I like French bread and flour tortillas so
much.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html




Steve Peek 18-04-2009 03:29 PM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 

"Lilah Morgan" wrote in message
ers2...
FUDGE! FUDGE! FUDGE! I wonder if it would be possible to make ginger
fudge...though back to peppers and such, I have 2 cayennes that have
sprouted...has anyone ever made like a warming lotion for bad
circulation/frostbite using the crushed seeds?


We used to add crushed red peppers to our socks when we were going to be
outside on a cold winter day. It's definately warming.
Steve

Victoria, zone 5a
P.S. I also like flour tortillas as my tortilla of choice(out of 2
choices)
for the main Mexican food I eat, quesadillas. It's like a pizza but much
less hassle to make :-)

"Billy" wrote in message
...
Garlic and ginger are supposed to be the two best things that a person
can eat (at least for fudge factors) and lots of green leaves like
lettuce, mustard, cabbage, and chard. It's the processed foods that will
do you in. Hard to say, when I like French bread and flour tortillas so
much.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html






Steve Peek 18-04-2009 03:37 PM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 

Charlie wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:35:53 -0400, "Steve Peek"
wrote:


Charlie wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:40:27 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
bigmike20vt wrote:

Thanks everyone for the responses (tho it seems that they have gone on
the wrong thread so sorry to the OP who was asking about buying the
best seeds!).

to answer Dave, who i am sure drives a Chelsea Tractor to keep his man
image intact as well ;)

my chilis/peppers are as follows

Jalapeno purple
Habanero orange
habanero Caribbean red
Pepper De Arbol
Indian Fire Cracker
Hungarian Hot Wax
Scotch bonnet Red
Pepper (Capsicum) Fresno
Naga Morich
Anahiem TMR chillies
sweet pepper Bellboy F1

Man, you must hate mornings ;O)

It's been said that a teaspoon of cayenne (or any hot pepper powder or
tincture) mixed in a glass of water and glugged down will stop or
mitigate a heart or brain attack.

It's also said that the same dosage thrice daily will promote
circulation and help in cases of arterial baddies. Good fer the colon
also, it's said.

Try it, tain't near as hot as one would imagine, though I'd suggest
stirring it in cold water.

Part of my daily downings. Next morning complaints are short lived.

Charlie


Dang Charlie, that'd prolly cure hemorrhoids too.



http://www.hemorrhoid-treatment.info...oids-cure.html

;-)

Charlie

I'll pass, thank you just the same.
"Honey, where's the Preperation H?"



Bill[_13_] 18-04-2009 05:12 PM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
In article , Charlie wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:28:01 -0700, "Lilah Morgan"
wrote:

FUDGE! FUDGE! FUDGE! I wonder if it would be possible to make ginger
fudge...though back to peppers and such, I have 2 cayennes that have
sprouted...has anyone ever made like a warming lotion for bad
circulation/frostbite using the crushed seeds?


An infusion of olive oil and cayenne pepper is most excellant for sore
muscles and increases circulation when applied topically....and
internally.

http://health.howstuffworks.com/caye...l-remedies.htm

Directions for making an oil infusion with whatever herbs one prefers.

http://www.ehow.com/how_2093152_make-oil-infusions.html

Charlie


Reminds me of Tiger Balm.


http://www.google.com/search?client=...er+balm+ingred
ients&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Not all who wander are lost.
- J.R.R. Tolkien (1892-1973)









Billy[_7_] 18-04-2009 05:38 PM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
In article ,
"Lilah Morgan" wrote:

FUDGE! FUDGE! FUDGE! I wonder if it would be possible to make ginger
fudge...though back to peppers and such, I have 2 cayennes that have
sprouted...has anyone ever made like a warming lotion for bad
circulation/frostbite using the crushed seeds?

Victoria, zone 5a
P.S. I also like flour tortillas as my tortilla of choice(out of 2 choices)
for the main Mexican food I eat, quesadillas. It's like a pizza but much
less hassle to make :-)

I like flour tortillas too but they are made from highly processed wheat
flour that has little to recommend it nutritionally, except for calories.
Corn tortillas are healthier for you.

I think you're looking for a rubefacient.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubefacient

A rubefacient is a substance for external application that produces
redness of the skin e.g. by causing dilation of the capillaries and an
increase in blood circulation.
They are believed to relieve pain by a counterirritant effect, and many
act via transient receptor potential ion channels. Common medicinal
rubefacients include [1]:
€ Capsaicin (derived from Cayenne, Capsicum minimum)
€ Salicylates (such as Oil of Wintergreen, Methyl Salicylate)
€ Nicotinate esters
€ Rubbing alcohol
Common herbal rubefacients include:
€ Cloves (Eugenia caryphyllus)
€ Garlic (Allium sativum)
€ Ginger (Zingiber officinale)
€ Horseradish (Cochlearia armoracia)
€ Mustard (Brassica alba or B. nigra)
€ Nettle (Urtica dioica)
€ Rosemary Oil (Rosmarinus officinalis)
€ Rue (Ruta graveolens)

More on rubefacients
athttp://www.pfaf.org/database/search_use.php?K%5B%5D=rubefacient


Cayenne
Cayenne pepper has beneficial antioxidant and cardiovascular effects.
It has many beneficial effects on gastrointestinal function.
Antioxidant activity: The carotene molecules of cayenne pepper and
paprika exert powerful antioxidant effects.

Cardiovascular effects:
Cayenne pepper exerts a number of beneficial effects on the
cardiovascular system. It reduces the likelihood of developing,
atherosclerosis by reducing blood cholesterol and triglyceride levels.
It also reduces the platelet aggregation and increases fibrinolytic
activity. Cultures consuming a large amount of cayenne pepper have a
much lower rate of cardiovascular disease.

Topical Effects:
When topically applied to the skin or mucous membranes, capsaicin
stimulates and then block small diameter pain fibers by depleting them
of neurotransmitter called substance P. Substance P is believed to be
the principal transmitter of pain impulses. It also has been shown to
activate inflammatory mediators in joint tissues in osteoarthritis and
rheumatoid arthritis.

Clinical Applications:
Capsaicin lowers body temperature by stimulating the cooling center of
the hypothalamus in the brain. It appears that people who live in
tropics deals with high temperature by consuming cayenne pepper.
Cayenne ointments may offer benefits in a number of conditions,
including pain disorders (postamputation pain, postmastectomy pain, post
herpetic neuralgia, diabetic neuropathy, cluster headaches,
osteoarthritis, and rheumatoid arthritis. Topically applied capsaicin
may be useful in the treatment of psoriasis.

Pain Relief:
Capsaicin was found to relieve the pain associated with shingles (herpes
zoster), a clinical condition known as post-herpetic neuralgia. Clinical
trials have shown that about 50% of those taking capsaicin report
improvement as opposed to 10% for the placebo group.*

Topically applied capsaicin may be effective in reducing the pain of
trigeminal neuralgia, a painful disorder of the main nerve of the face
characterized by severe, stabbing pain affecting the cheek, lips, gums,
or chin on one side of the face. In one study, more than 80% of those
treated with capsaicin responded favorably. This is remarkable as there
are no medication available for this condition except surgery. Capsaicin
may help relieve the pain following breast reconstruction or mastectomy.

Mouth pain due to chemotherapy or radiation:
Capsaicin was found to reduce the pain of mouth sores resulting from
chemotherapy or radiation treatment dramatically in a clinical trial.
Diabetic Neuropathy:
Diabetic neuropathy is a painful nerve disorder caused by long-term
diabetes. Capsaicin has been found to be of considerable benefit in
relieving pain of this condition.
Cluster headaches:
Cluster headaches are migraine-like headaches characterized by severe
pain, usually localized around one eye. Double blind studies have shown
that intranasal application of a special capsaicin ointment by a
physician may relieve cluster headaches. Episodic patients were found to
benefit more from the treatment than chronic patients.

Arthritis:
Capsaicin may be effective in relieving the pain of either
osteoarthritis or rheumatoid arthritis.

Psoriasis:
Excessive substance P levels in the skin have been linked to psoriasis.
Capsaicin was found to reduce scaling, redness and combined psoriasis
severity.
http://www.holisticonline.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h43.htm

Used externally, the fruit is a strong rubefacient stimulating the
circulation, aiding the removal of waste products and increasing the
flow of nutrients to the tissues[254]. It is applied as a cataplasm or
liniment[4]. It has also been powdered and placed inside socks as a
traditional remedy for those prone to cold feet[254].
http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants....cum+frutescens
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

Lilah Morgan[_2_] 19-04-2009 11:05 PM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
Yeah I keep saying I'm gonna step back from processed foods and go to a more
'natural' hunter/gatherer type diet(aka if I can't kill it or pick it, I
won't eat it), and someday I'll actually do it. I have started with small
steps like switching from pasta to rice. Rice still is processed, but it's
mostly just hulling/polishing it as far as I know, and it's just rice. Pasta
has flour, eggs, water, preservatives and other crap in it...and thanks for
the other info

"Billy" wrote in message
...

I like flour tortillas too but they are made from highly processed wheat
flour that has little to recommend it nutritionally, except for calories.
Corn tortillas are healthier for you.

I think you're looking for a rubefacient.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubefacient

A rubefacient is a substance for external application that produces
redness of the skin e.g. by causing dilation of the capillaries and an
increase in blood circulation.
They are believed to relieve pain by a counterirritant effect, and many
act via transient receptor potential ion channels. Common medicinal
rubefacients include [1]:
? Capsaicin (derived from Cayenne, Capsicum minimum)
? Salicylates (such as Oil of Wintergreen, Methyl Salicylate)
? Nicotinate esters
? Rubbing alcohol
Common herbal rubefacients include:
? Cloves (Eugenia caryphyllus)
? Garlic (Allium sativum)
? Ginger (Zingiber officinale)
? Horseradish (Cochlearia armoracia)
? Mustard (Brassica alba or B. nigra)
? Nettle (Urtica dioica)
? Rosemary Oil (Rosmarinus officinalis)
? Rue (Ruta graveolens)

More on rubefacients
athttp://www.pfaf.org/database/search_use.php?K%5B%5D=rubefacient


Cayenne
Cayenne pepper has beneficial antioxidant and cardiovascular effects.
It has many beneficial effects on gastrointestinal function.
Antioxidant activity: The carotene molecules of cayenne pepper and
paprika exert powerful antioxidant effects.

Cardiovascular effects:
Cayenne pepper exerts a number of beneficial effects on the
cardiovascular system. It reduces the likelihood of developing,
atherosclerosis by reducing blood cholesterol and triglyceride levels.
It also reduces the platelet aggregation and increases fibrinolytic
activity. Cultures consuming a large amount of cayenne pepper have a
much lower rate of cardiovascular disease.

Topical Effects:
When topically applied to the skin or mucous membranes, capsaicin
stimulates and then block small diameter pain fibers by depleting them
of neurotransmitter called substance P. Substance P is believed to be
the principal transmitter of pain impulses. It also has been shown to
activate inflammatory mediators in joint tissues in osteoarthritis and
rheumatoid arthritis.

Clinical Applications:
Capsaicin lowers body temperature by stimulating the cooling center of
the hypothalamus in the brain. It appears that people who live in
tropics deals with high temperature by consuming cayenne pepper.
Cayenne ointments may offer benefits in a number of conditions,
including pain disorders (postamputation pain, postmastectomy pain, post
herpetic neuralgia, diabetic neuropathy, cluster headaches,
osteoarthritis, and rheumatoid arthritis. Topically applied capsaicin
may be useful in the treatment of psoriasis.

Pain Relief:
Capsaicin was found to relieve the pain associated with shingles (herpes
zoster), a clinical condition known as post-herpetic neuralgia. Clinical
trials have shown that about 50% of those taking capsaicin report
improvement as opposed to 10% for the placebo group.

Topically applied capsaicin may be effective in reducing the pain of
trigeminal neuralgia, a painful disorder of the main nerve of the face
characterized by severe, stabbing pain affecting the cheek, lips, gums,
or chin on one side of the face. In one study, more than 80% of those
treated with capsaicin responded favorably. This is remarkable as there
are no medication available for this condition except surgery. Capsaicin
may help relieve the pain following breast reconstruction or mastectomy.

Mouth pain due to chemotherapy or radiation:
Capsaicin was found to reduce the pain of mouth sores resulting from
chemotherapy or radiation treatment dramatically in a clinical trial.
Diabetic Neuropathy:
Diabetic neuropathy is a painful nerve disorder caused by long-term
diabetes. Capsaicin has been found to be of considerable benefit in
relieving pain of this condition.
Cluster headaches:
Cluster headaches are migraine-like headaches characterized by severe
pain, usually localized around one eye. Double blind studies have shown
that intranasal application of a special capsaicin ointment by a
physician may relieve cluster headaches. Episodic patients were found to
benefit more from the treatment than chronic patients.

Arthritis:
Capsaicin may be effective in relieving the pain of either
osteoarthritis or rheumatoid arthritis.

Psoriasis:
Excessive substance P levels in the skin have been linked to psoriasis.
Capsaicin was found to reduce scaling, redness and combined psoriasis
severity.
http://www.holisticonline.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h43.htm

Used externally, the fruit is a strong rubefacient stimulating the
circulation, aiding the removal of waste products and increasing the
flow of nutrients to the tissues[254]. It is applied as a cataplasm or
liniment[4]. It has also been powdered and placed inside socks as a
traditional remedy for those prone to cold feet[254].
http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants....cum+frutescens
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

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Bill[_13_] 19-04-2009 11:34 PM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
In article ,
"Lilah Morgan" wrote:

Yeah I keep saying I'm gonna step back from processed foods and go to a more
'natural' hunter/gatherer type diet(aka if I can't kill it or pick it, I
won't eat it), and someday I'll actually do it. I have started with small
steps like switching from pasta to rice. Rice still is processed, but it's
mostly just hulling/polishing it as far as I know, and it's just rice. Pasta
has flour, eggs, water, preservatives and other crap in it...and thanks for
the other info


Not necessarily but our foods are getting more expensive.

http://www.edenfoods.com/

http://allrecipes.com/Recipes/Pasta/Main.aspx


Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Not all who wander are lost.
- J.R.R. Tolkien (1892-1973)









Billy[_7_] 19-04-2009 11:41 PM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
In article ,
"Lilah Morgan" wrote:

Yeah I keep saying I'm gonna step back from processed foods and go to a more
'natural' hunter/gatherer type diet(aka if I can't kill it or pick it, I
won't eat it), and someday I'll actually do it. I have started with small
steps like switching from pasta to rice. Rice still is processed, but it's
mostly just hulling/polishing it as far as I know, and it's just rice. Pasta
has flour, eggs, water, preservatives and other crap in it...and thanks for
the other info


Hold on cowboy, you still got whole wheat pasta and brown rice. I made
Spanish rice last night with brown rice :

Meaty Spanish Rice

Recipe By :
Serving Size : 4 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories :

Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
-------- ------------ --------------------------------
2 tablespoons butter
1/2 pound ground turkey
1 onion -- chopped
1 green bell pepper -- chopped
2 cups chicken stock
1 8 oz. can tomato sauce
1 cu long-grain brown rice -- uncooked
2 tablespoons Worcestershire sauce
1/2 teaspoon chili powder
1/2 teaspoon thyme
1/4 teaspoon Tabasco sauce
1/8 teaspoon cayenne pepper -- optional
black pepper -- to taste

In a skillet melt butter over medium heat. Add ground turkey, onion and
green pepper and cook until turkey is browned and vegetables are tender.
Add remaining ingredients, bring to a boil, reduce heat, cover and simmer
until rice is tender, about 30 minutes.

Very edible. It was a little damp after 30 min. so I threw in another
1/4 cup brown rice and waited another 30 min. I was going to serve it
with chard but got lazy and just served salad.

You also still have whole wheat bread. Look at the difference in white
unbleached flour:
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...st_nut_edit.pl
compared to whole wheat flour:
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...st_nut_edit.pl

White flour, it's amazing. They strip out most of the nutrition, add
back six or so vitamins and call it enriched!

I haven't cut out all my white bread. I love croissants with jam in the
morning and French bread and cheese (occasionally) after dinner or for
dinner with a salad.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

Tim 20-04-2009 01:12 AM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
Charlie wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 08:55:20 -0400, Tim wrote:



I look at it like this, 9 years ago the Docs told me I had five years to
live...So I spent those five living, enjoying sunsets, really looking at
my wifes flower garden etc...I really believe that mental health leads
to physical health....that and the three kids finally all moved out! lol.

Tim


And here is an important lesson for all of us! (I don't mean getting
the kids out. heh heh) It's hard to develop that attitude without the
stimulis of our potential demise, but it's sure important to work on.
Elisabeth Kubler-Ross wrote of this in her final years, that facing
your death and working through it in advance of the event, in order
that one could fully enjoy the living.

You keep on keepin' on, Tim and hang out here more often, ya' hear!

Hell, if you're lucky ya' might even manage to **** off Billy and
enjoy one of his fine tirades. ;-)

Charlie

I'll be here. Of all the ng's I lurk through, this is my favorite so
far, and the only one I post to with few exceptions. I think it's
because of all the smiling faces I see..Most other ng's seem to be
populated by folks that are...well...pretentious.
As far as ****ing people off, that happens anyway, most times
unintentionally. So I am sure I will, if it has not happened already.

Tim

Billy[_7_] 20-04-2009 05:14 AM

Where to buy the best seeds???
 
In article , Charlie wrote:

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 08:55:20 -0400, Tim wrote:



I look at it like this, 9 years ago the Docs told me I had five years to
live...So I spent those five living, enjoying sunsets, really looking at
my wifes flower garden etc...I really believe that mental health leads
to physical health....that and the three kids finally all moved out! lol.

Tim


And here is an important lesson for all of us! (I don't mean getting
the kids out. heh heh) It's hard to develop that attitude without the
stimulis of our potential demise, but it's sure important to work on.
Elisabeth Kubler-Ross wrote of this in her final years, that facing
your death and working through it in advance of the event, in order
that one could fully enjoy the living.

You keep on keepin' on, Tim and hang out here more often, ya' hear!

Hell, if you're lucky ya' might even manage to **** off Billy and
enjoy one of his fine tirades. ;-)

Charlie

“Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as
by the attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you
as by the way your mind looks at what happens.” -- Kahlil Gibran


I want my food dead. Not sick, not dying, dead.
Oscar Wilde
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html


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