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llans_new Energy, health care, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu. What do all of these topics have in common? Food. Thatıs right. None of these issues can really be tackled without addressing some of the fundamental problems of the food system and the American diet. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
Energy, health care, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu
"Billy" wrote in message ... Energy, health care, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu. What do all of these topics have in common? Food. Thatıs right. None of these issues can really be tackled without addressing some of the fundamental problems of the food system and the American diet. -- People with simple answers never understand the problems. |
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On May 14, 5:40*pm, Billy wrote:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/1..._author_michae... llans_new Energy, health care, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu. What do all of these topics have in common? Food. Thatıs right. None of these issues can really be tackled without addressing some of the fundamental problems of the food system and the American diet. You want a simple solution? Stop eating - then we will not have to put up with your whinging. |
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, moghouse wrote: On May 14, 5:40*pm, Billy wrote: http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/1..._author_michae... llans_new Energy, health care, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu. What do all of these topics have in common? Food. Thatıs right. None of these issues can really be tackled without addressing some of the fundamental problems of the food system and the American diet. You want a simple solution? Stop eating - then we will not have to put up with your whinging. Your insult lost a lot of its' impact with the missed spelling. Bwahahahahahaha. Well, back to wining and dining. Bwahahahaha Remember, for all your pollution needs, Mon$anto will be there for you. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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"The moderator" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... Energy, health care, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu. What do all of these topics have in common? Food. Thatıs right. None of these issues can really be tackled without addressing some of the fundamental problems of the food system and the American diet. -- People with simple answers never understand the problems. Can I get a citation on that? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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On May 14, 9:42*pm, Billy wrote:
You want a simple solution? Stop eating - then we will not have to put up with your whinging. Your insult lost a lot of its' impact with the missed spelling. Bwahahahahahaha. Well, back to wining and dining. Bwahahahaha Remember, for all your pollution needs, Mon$anto will be there for you. Your credibility lost any repect we may have given it by your not knowing my spelling was correct and your grammar was not. Please learn the correct position of the possesive apostrophe. |
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... http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/1...hor_michael_po llans_new Energy, health care, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu. What do all of these topics have in common? Food. Thatıs right. None of these issues can really be tackled without addressing some of the fundamental problems of the food system and the American diet. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html That's odd about "the way you're raising pigs in America today creates a perfect environment for the generation of new flu pandemics", subsequent: "Oh, the industry response and the media response, by and large, is not to pay attention to that part of the story." Guess I'm paying attention to the wrong national TV channel as they said just that. Maybe they have more air time for such things as they don't spend an inordinate amount of time doing politically motivated ridicules... -- Dave |
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, moghouse wrote: On May 14, 9:42*pm, Billy wrote: You want a simple solution? Stop eating - then we will not have to put up with your whinging. Your insult lost a lot of its' impact with the missed spelling. Bwahahahahahaha. Well, back to wining and dining. Bwahahahaha Remember, for all your pollution needs, Mon$anto will be there for you. Your credibility lost any repect we may have given it by your not knowing my spelling was correct and your grammar was not. Please learn the correct position of the possesive apostrophe. Well, in this case the possessive pronoun does't take an apostrophy. Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation by Lynne Truss http://www.amazon.com/Eats-Shoots-Le...ion/dp/1592402 038/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242339470&sr=1-1 pg. 40. Bwahahahahaha. I just love doing that. Bwahahahahaha. Me? Have credibility? Shirley you jest, I'm just the pointing finger, like this one, see? Don't you have a book to color or something? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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, Billy wrote: In article , moghouse wrote: On May 14, 9:42*pm, Billy wrote: You want a simple solution? Stop eating - then we will not have to put up with your whinging. Your insult lost a lot of its' impact with the missed spelling. Bwahahahahahaha. Well, back to wining and dining. Bwahahahaha Remember, for all your pollution needs, Mon$anto will be there for you. Your credibility lost any repect we may have given it by your not knowing my spelling was correct and your grammar was not. Please learn the correct position of the possesive apostrophe. Well, in this case the possessive pronoun does't take an apostrophy. Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation by Lynne Truss http://www.amazon.com/Eats-Shoots-Le...ion/dp/1592402 038/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242339470&sr=1-1 pg. 40. Bwahahahahaha. I just love doing that. Bwahahahahaha. Me? Have credibility? Shirley you jest, I'm just the pointing finger, like this one, see? Don't you have a book to color or something? Small minds get lost in the details. Not their fault as educate is faulty. Think like this a mantra of sorts. None left behind just pass the hell with understanding. I really do not how to deal with issues like this aside from example. Real work..... Bill educare too bring out a vision... -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA Not all who wander are lost. - J.R.R. Tolkien (1892-1973) |
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"Dioclese" NONE wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/1...hor_michael_po llans_new Energy, health care, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu. What do all of these topics have in common? Food. Thatıs right. None of these issues can really be tackled without addressing some of the fundamental problems of the food system and the American diet. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html That's odd about "the way you're raising pigs in America today creates a perfect environment for the generation of new flu pandemics", subsequent: "Oh, the industry response and the media response, by and large, is not to pay attention to that part of the story." Guess I'm paying attention to the wrong national TV channel as they said just that. Maybe they have more air time for such things as they don't spend an inordinate amount of time doing politically motivated ridicules... It seems with the SciAm article http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...on-food-shorta ges that Charlie posted, taken with CAFOs breeding new diseases (from the Pollan interview), maybe we should look to reduce our meat consumption and spread out the area in which animals are raised to avoid the need for antibiotic treated animals which can harbor resistant bacteria, and easily transmit viruses. What ridicules are you referring to? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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. easynews.com, Steve wrote: On Thu, 14 May 2009 19:17:33 -0500, Charlie wrote: here's the article http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...food-shortages "When Elizabeth Kolbert, a writer for the New Yorker, asked energy guru Amory Lovins about thinking outside the box, Lovins responded: There is no box." /shudder/ It looks like it's time to reduce energy, and meat consumption, and start eating more plants. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
Energy, health care, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu
The moderator wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message ... Energy, health care, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu. What do all of these topics have in common? Food. Thatıs right. None of these issues can really be tackled without addressing some of the fundamental problems of the food system and the American diet. -- People with simple answers never understand the problems. Let's try some different words. The way that food is grown, processed and transported is a major contemporary issue in the Western world, it is not unique to America.. The apparent cheapness and abundance of food conceals real environmental and social costs in its production and unintended negative consequences that have the potential to become more significant in the near future. The system that puts food on the table and the way many people view food (or ignore the issue) is not sustainable and must change. David |
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That's odd about "the way you're raising pigs in America today creates a perfect environment for the generation of new flu pandemics" This is the kind of misinformation produced by people with an "agenda". Recombinant forms of influenza like "swine flu" are the results of human - animal interaction of a very close sort. In order for this to happen both must be able to be infected with the virus (like influenza) and the humans and animals have to be in close contact at the time of the infection, either sneezing in each others faces, or, since influenza is shed in the saliva, nasal secretion or FECES the human can also by hand transfer the virus to their own mouth (inhale), nose or eyes, all portals of entry. In a well run big or factory pig farm (or chicken farm) the workers are required to change into and wear special "clean" suits complete with bootie covers, masks, gloves, hoods and even eye protection. The reason for this is to prevent humans from walking in and/or passing their bacteria and viruses and microbes to the pigs, and, after working they clean up before they leave so they dont track anything out. The cleanup of the feces and urine is done automatically (large amounts which can really foul the environment if not handled properly. Enforcement depends on state). Feeding antibiotics, BTW, has absolutely nothing to do with viruses. Hogs are housed in buildings which limit the entrance of "wild type" bacteria and viruses, mostly by preventing outside disease carrying animals from getting in to the areas so they are much more likely to NOT have disease and much more likely to be healthy (stress aside). A healthy pig will produce large litters, will put on weight and go to market faster. Everything is done to maximize big healthy pigs going to market. I am sure if classical or rock music encouraged growth, they would pipe this in to the barns as well. This is what is typically seen in the US. In contrast the farms I worked on during the summers of my youth (grandparents and friends) the pigs were out in a pen or field mixing it up with disease carrying wild life. I didnt have much to do with pigs cause I was told to STAY OUT OF THE PIG PENS as they might go after me (pigs eat flesh with relish, BTW). These are not cute little pet pigs. And there is a much higher chance of these pigs carrying diseases that can be transmitted to humans as well. And then there are the pig factories that have gone to Mexico do so to AVOID the environmental requirements and are flushing, I am sure, the urine and feces right out the "back door". They may have lax enforcement of sanitation within the farms, they certainly have more diseased wild animals (and biting insects to carry disease) in the area and health standards for the workers may be nonexistent along with "time off for being ill". Local labor is cheap and I am sure they make no effort to instruct their workers in health standards, etc. INgrid Somewhere between zone 5 and 6 tucked along the shore of Lake Michigan on the council grounds of the Fox, Mascouten, Potawatomi, and Winnebago |
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On May 15, 3:21*pm, wrote:
And then there are the pig factories that have gone to Mexico do so to AVOID the environmental requirements ...... Surely you are not trying to tell us that some business men are greedy and seek to circumvent the regulations? Some of us had noticed that first from the finance industry and more recently from the government industry. |
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. easynews.com, Steve wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:21:25 -0500, wrote: Hogs are housed in buildings which limit the entrance of "wild type" bacteria and viruses, mostly by preventing outside disease carrying animals from getting in to the areas so they are much more likely to NOT have disease and much more likely to be healthy (stress aside) Despite the facts that pigs reach slaughter weight in less than six months and their diet is laced with drugs to control disease, 13.7% of them die before slaughter because of the poor conditions and harsh treatment. Hogs produce three times more excrement than human beings do. The 500,000 pigs at a single Smithfield subsidiary in Utah generate more fecal matter each year than the 1.5 million inhabitants of Manhattan. The best estimates put Smithfield's total waste discharge at 26 million tons a year. That would fill four Yankee Stadiums. Even when divided among the many small pig production units that surround the company's slaughterhouses, that is not a containable amount. Smithfield estimates that its total sales will reach $11.4 billion this year. So prodigious is its fecal waste, however, that if the company treated its effluvia as big-city governments do -- even if it came marginally close to that standard -- it would lose money. So many of its contractors allow great volumes of waste to run out of their slope-floored barns and sit blithely in the open, untreated, where the elements break it down and gravity pulls it into groundwater and river systems. Although the company proclaims a culture of environmental responsibility, ostentatious pollution is a linchpin of Smithfield's business model. A lot of pig shit is one thing; a lot of highly toxic pig shit is another. The excrement of Smithfield hogs is hardly even pig shit: On a continuum of pollutants, it is probably closer to radioactive waste than to organic manure. The reason it is so toxic is Smithfield's efficiency. The company produces 6 billion pounds of packaged pork each year. That's a remarkable achievement, a prolificacy unimagined only two decades ago, and the only way to do it is to raise pigs in astonishing, unprecedented concentrations. Smithfield's pigs live by the hundreds or thousands in warehouse-like barns, in rows of wall-to-wall pens. Sows are artificially inseminated and fed and delivered of their piglets in cages so small they cannot turn around. Forty fully grown 250-pound male hogs often occupy a pen the size of a tiny apartment. They trample each other to death. There is no sunlight, straw, fresh air or earth. The floors are slatted to allow excrement to fall into a catchment pit under the pens, but many things besides excrement can wind up in the pits: afterbirths, piglets accidentally crushed by their mothers, old batteries, broken bottles of insecticide, antibiotic syringes, stillborn pigs -- anything small enough to fit through the foot-wide pipes that drain the pits. The pipes remain closed until enough sewage accumulates in the pits to create good expulsion pressure; then the pipes are opened and everything bursts out into a large holding pond. The temperature inside hog houses is often hotter than ninety degrees. The air, saturated almost to the point of precipitation with gases from shit and chemicals, can be lethal to the pigs. Enormous exhaust fans run twenty-four hours a day. The ventilation systems function like the ventilators of terminal patients: If they break down for any length of time, pigs start dying. From Smithfield's point of view, the problem with this lifestyle is immunological. Taken together, the immobility, poisonous air and terror of confinement badly damage the pigs' immune systems. They become susceptible to infection, and in such dense quarters microbes or parasites or fungi, once established in one pig, will rush spritelike through the whole population. Accordingly, factory pigs are infused with a huge range of antibiotics and vaccines, and are doused with insecticides. Without these compounds -- oxytetracycline, draxxin, ceftiofur, tiamulin -- diseases would likely kill them. Thus factory-farm pigs remain in a state of dying until they're slaughtered. When a pig nearly ready to be slaughtered grows ill, workers sometimes shoot it up with as many drugs as necessary to get it to the slaughterhouse under its own power. As long as the pig remains ambulatory, it can be legally killed and sold as meat. The drugs Smithfield administers to its pigs, of course, exit its hog houses in pig shit. Industrial pig waste also contains a host of other toxic substances: ammonia, methane, hydrogen sulfide, carbon monoxide, cyanide, phosphorous, nitrates and heavy metals. In addition, the waste nurses more than 100 microbial pathogens that can cause illness in humans, including salmonella, cryptosporidium, streptocolli and girardia. Each gram of hog shit can contain as much as 100 million fecal coliform bacteria. Smithfield's holding ponds -- the company calls them lagoons -- cover as much as 120,000 square feet. The area around a single slaughterhouse can contain hundreds of lagoons, some of which run thirty feet deep. The liquid in them is not brown. The interactions between the bacteria and blood and afterbirths and stillborn piglets and urine and excrement and chemicals and drugs turn the lagoons pink. Even light rains can cause lagoons to overflow; major floods have transformed entire counties into pig-shit bayous. To alleviate swelling lagoons, workers sometimes pump the shit out of them and spray the waste on surrounding fields, which results in what the industry daintily refers to as "overapplication." This can turn hundreds of acres -- thousands of football fields -- into shallow mud puddles of pig shit. Tree branches drip with pig shit. Some pig-farm lagoons have polyethylene liners, which can be punctured by rocks in the ground, allowing shit to seep beneath the liners and spread and ferment. Gases from the fermentation can inflate the liner like a hot-air balloon and rise in an expanding, accelerating bubble, forcing thousands of tons of feces out of the lagoon in all directions. The lagoons themselves are so viscous and venomous that if someone falls in it is foolish to try to save him. A few years ago, a truck driver in Oklahoma was transferring pig shit to a lagoon when he and his truck went over the side. It took almost three weeks to recover his body. In 1992, when a worker making repairs to a lagoon in Minnesota began to choke to death on the fumes, another worker dived in after him, and they died the same death. In another instance, a worker who was repairing a lagoon in Michigan was overcome by the fumes and fell in. His fifteen-year-old nephew dived in to save him but was overcome, the worker's cousin went in to save the teenager but was overcome, the worker's older brother dived in to save them but was overcome, and then the worker's father dived in. They all died in pig shit. The chairman of Smithfield Foods, Joseph Luter III, is a funny, jowly, canny, barbarous guy who lives in a multimillion-dollar condo on Park Avenue in Manhattan and conveys himself about the planet in a corporate jet and a private yacht. At sixty-seven, he is unrepentant in the face of criticism. He describes himself as a "tough man in a tough business" and his factories as wholly legitimate products of the American free market. He can be sardonic; he likes to mock his critics and rivals. "The animal-rights people," he once said, "want to impose a vegetarian's society on the U.S. Most vegetarians I know are neurotic." When the Environmental Protection Agency cited Smithfield for thousands of violations of the Clean Water Act, Luter responded by comparing what he claimed were the number of violations the company could theoretically have been charged with (2.5 million, by his calculation) to the number of documented violations up to that point (seventy-four). "A very, very small percent," he said. Wow. What a great post :O) -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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... In article , "Dioclese" NONE wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/1...hor_michael_po llans_new Energy, health care, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu. What do all of these topics have in common? Food. Thatıs right. None of these issues can really be tackled without addressing some of the fundamental problems of the food system and the American diet. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html That's odd about "the way you're raising pigs in America today creates a perfect environment for the generation of new flu pandemics", subsequent: "Oh, the industry response and the media response, by and large, is not to pay attention to that part of the story." Guess I'm paying attention to the wrong national TV channel as they said just that. Maybe they have more air time for such things as they don't spend an inordinate amount of time doing politically motivated ridicules... It seems with the SciAm article http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...on-food-shorta ges that Charlie posted, taken with CAFOs breeding new diseases (from the Pollan interview), maybe we should look to reduce our meat consumption and spread out the area in which animals are raised to avoid the need for antibiotic treated animals which can harbor resistant bacteria, and easily transmit viruses. What has that have to do with the website you posted originally? Nothing regarding the matter that I just ATTEMPTED and evidently failed to convey to you.. What ridicules are you referring to? I'd rather not discuss the obvious since you refuse to do so by side-tracking. |
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"Dioclese" NONE wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Dioclese" NONE wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/1...hor_michael_po llans_new Energy, health care, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu. What do all of these topics have in common? Food. Thatıs right. None of these issues can really be tackled without addressing some of the fundamental problems of the food system and the American diet. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html That's odd about "the way you're raising pigs in America today creates a perfect environment for the generation of new flu pandemics", subsequent: "Oh, the industry response and the media response, by and large, is not to pay attention to that part of the story." Guess I'm paying attention to the wrong national TV channel as they said just that. Maybe they have more air time for such things as they don't spend an inordinate amount of time doing politically motivated ridicules... It seems with the SciAm article http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...on-food-shorta ges that Charlie posted, taken with CAFOs breeding new diseases (from the Pollan interview), maybe we should look to reduce our meat consumption and spread out the area in which animals are raised to avoid the need for antibiotic treated animals which can harbor resistant bacteria, and easily transmit viruses. What has that have to do with the website you posted originally? Nothing regarding the matter that I just ATTEMPTED and evidently failed to convey to you.. What ridicules are you referring to? I'd rather not discuss the obvious since you refuse to do so by side-tracking. Well, aren't we in a snit today? Ridicule was side-tracking? You brought up the subject. The subject which I posted about our animal gulags as breeding grounds for human diseases. Treat the animals poorly and it comes back to bite you in the ass. Then the is the under reported story, that the H1N1 virus had escaped from a lab. "According to a recent report (Bloomberg, May 12, 2009) which was barely publicised, a prominent scientist*directly involved in the development of Tamiflu points to the possibility that the H1N1 strain ³resulted from lab experimentation or vaccine production². According to professor Adrian Gibbs of the Australian National University (ANU), the virus which ³escaped from a lab², was the direct product of a laboratory experiment by the company which produces Tamiflu. ³³It could be a mistake² that occurred at a vaccine production facility or the virus could have jumped from a pig to another mammal or a bird before reaching humans, he said.² (Ibid) There have been several previous unconfirmed reports on the issue. Professor John Oxford of St. Bart's and the Royal London Hospital contends that ³the 1957 H1N1 pandemic probably started when it escaped from a lab² (National Public Radio,*May 4, 2009). While the findings of Professor Gibbs require further investigation, they, nonetheless, raise the broader issue of transmission out of a laboratory, not to mention the underlying geographic location of a laboratory.*The WHO is investigating the findings of Professor Gibbs." http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=13622 If you want a conspiracy, you might look at Donald Rumsfeld who owned stock in the company that developed Tamiflu, and he continued to hold Tamiflu stock during his tenure as Secretary of Defense, in clear violation of the law that required him to divest himself of the stock. Cheney (Halliburton) never divested either. What do you think the chances are that their actions benefited their portfolios performances? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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In article , Charlie wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2009 15:35:47 -0700, Billy wrote: If you want a conspiracy, you might look at Donald Rumsfeld who owned stock in the company that developed Tamiflu, and he continued to hold Tamiflu stock during his tenure as Secretary of Defense, in clear violation of the law that required him to divest himself of the stock. Cheney (Halliburton) never divested either. What do you think the chances are that their actions benefited their portfolios performances? Hmmmm.....what is the shelf life of Tamiflu? Five years, from what I read. When was the global fiasco over avian flu that prompted the manufacture of a gazilllion doses of Tamiflu. A gaziliion doses that weren't used for a pandemic that didn't materialize, even though we recently supposedly had a major effup in Europe with a vaccine containing live virus H5N1? Hmmmmmm....... Hmmmmm.......wonder how much Tamiflu, from that manufacture, has been sold recently, in order to deal with the, uh, supposed outbreak of this funky strain of "swine flu", a strain that carries some interesting dna. Four years ago I was forced to go to the doc concerning cellulitis that I developed in my elbow. I've had it before and it is a serious deal. In the past, keflex (cephalosporins) were administered IM to infiltrate with an oral course. This last time I couldn't get the effing doc to use that. I ended up with a shot of Rocephen in my ass, a long way from the elbow and a scrip for.....tada.....ciprofloxicin, of which a gazillion doses had been manufactured for the supposed terrorist anthrax debacle. BTW, I reacted very badly to that shit and so did my sister in law who had cipro used on her after surgery. It damn near killed her. She had to be transferred to Bigtown Hosp for a week. Whadda ya think, Billy. Concern for the public health? As Galileo said, "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." and then get them past the censors, who block or distort beyond all recognition. The corporate press is rigged. That is the one thing that both the left and the right agree on. Charlie According to Naomi Klein, "Before he reentered government, Rumsfeld was so convinced that he was on to a hot new industry that he helped found several private investment funds specializing in biotechnology and pharmaceuticals. These companies are banking on an apocalyptic future of rampant disease, one in which governments are forced to buy, at top dollar, whatever lifesaving products the private sector has under patent." These, like Tamiflu, will most likely be developed on grants funded by taxpayers. At least we will be getting something for the money, unlike our present scenario. You think Rummy's has an idea where all this is headed? Does Rummy gamble? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
Energy, health care, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu
In article , Charlie wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2009 17:38:09 -0700, Billy wrote: In article , Charlie wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2009 15:35:47 -0700, Billy wrote: If you want a conspiracy, you might look at Donald Rumsfeld who owned stock in the company that developed Tamiflu, and he continued to hold Tamiflu stock during his tenure as Secretary of Defense, in clear violation of the law that required him to divest himself of the stock. Cheney (Halliburton) never divested either. What do you think the chances are that their actions benefited their portfolios performances? Hmmmm.....what is the shelf life of Tamiflu? Five years, from what I read. When was the global fiasco over avian flu that prompted the manufacture of a gazilllion doses of Tamiflu. A gaziliion doses that weren't used for a pandemic that didn't materialize, even though we recently supposedly had a major effup in Europe with a vaccine containing live virus H5N1? Hmmmmmm....... Hmmmmm.......wonder how much Tamiflu, from that manufacture, has been sold recently, in order to deal with the, uh, supposed outbreak of this funky strain of "swine flu", a strain that carries some interesting dna. Four years ago I was forced to go to the doc concerning cellulitis that I developed in my elbow. I've had it before and it is a serious deal. In the past, keflex (cephalosporins) were administered IM to infiltrate with an oral course. This last time I couldn't get the effing doc to use that. I ended up with a shot of Rocephen in my ass, a long way from the elbow and a scrip for.....tada.....ciprofloxicin, of which a gazillion doses had been manufactured for the supposed terrorist anthrax debacle. BTW, I reacted very badly to that shit and so did my sister in law who had cipro used on her after surgery. It damn near killed her. She had to be transferred to Bigtown Hosp for a week. Whadda ya think, Billy. Concern for the public health? As Galileo said, "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." and then get them past the censors, who block or distort beyond all recognition. The corporate press is rigged. That is the one thing that both the left and the right agree on. Charlie According to Naomi Klein, "Before he reentered government, Rumsfeld was so convinced that he was on to a hot new industry that he helped found several private investment funds specializing in biotechnology and pharmaceuticals. These companies are banking on an apocalyptic future of rampant disease, one in which governments are forced to buy, at top dollar, whatever lifesaving products the private sector has under patent." Is this from "Shock Doctrine"?...on my list anyway. Ya. These, like Tamiflu, will most likely be developed on grants funded by taxpayers. Of course. Public interest and all that, eh? At least we will be getting something for the money, unlike our present scenario. Yeah, right. Cui bono? You think Rummy's has an idea where all this is headed? Does Rummy gamble? Rummy and his ilk do not gamble lightly. You have a good idea where this is headed.... you can bet your droopy ass Rummy and crew *know* where this is headed. Charlie -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
Energy, health care, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu
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. easynews.com, Steve wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2009 20:50:42 -0500, Charlie wrote: Rummy and his ilk do not gamble lightly. You have a good idea where this is headed.... you can bet your droopy ass Rummy and crew *know* where this is headed. 1. Buy into pharma corp. 2. Create vaccine 3. Create need for vaccine 4. Profit!!! I'm kinda goin' out on a limb here. ;-) We truly hope so. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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