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My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, I waited a long time, I know. I have what seems to be Bermuda grass or a variant. Stuff that has a spreading root system. Hundreds of other garden variety weeds. I till and till, and rake out the weeds and roots, but I know I won't get them all. I use Roundup on my 2+ acre spread. I have heard that it only kills what it comes in contact with, and doesn't work once it hits the soil. I'd like to know if it is safe to use in the garden on the weedy areas, or will it stay in there after I plant. Other suggestions for weed control that is plant friendly would be appreciated. Steve |
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"SteveB" wrote in message ... I use Roundup on my 2+ acre spread. I have heard that it only kills what it comes in contact with, and doesn't work once it hits the soil. I'd like to know if it is safe to use in the garden on the weedy areas, or will it stay in there after I plant. Other suggestions for weed control that is plant friendly would be appreciated. I've had luck keeping Timothy grass at bay by using layers and layers of paper and cardboard, with mulch (leaves and grass) on top. I have to re-paper it in the fall, as the grass does tend to find a way to survive, but it keeps the grass down during the growing season. If you do this for a few seasons the grass may eventually become stressed enough that it just dies altogether. --S. |
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On May 22, 1:06*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
My garden is weedy. *I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. *Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know. I have what seems to be Bermuda grass or a variant. *Stuff that has a spreading root system. *Hundreds of other garden variety weeds. *I till and till, and rake out the weeds and roots, but I know I won't get them all. I use Roundup on my 2+ acre spread. *I have heard that it only kills what it comes in contact with, and doesn't work once it hits the soil. *I'd like to know if it is safe to use in the garden on the weedy areas, or will it stay in there after I plant. *Other suggestions for weed control that is plant friendly would be appreciated. Steve Anything other than a Monsanto chem. 4 x 8 sheets of plywood laid over the plot to smother the weeds would be effective -- and lay out perfect garden beds at the same time. |
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"SteveB" wrote in message
... My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know. I have what seems to be Bermuda grass or a variant. Stuff that has a spreading root system. Hundreds of other garden variety weeds. I till and till, and rake out the weeds and roots, but I know I won't get them all. I use Roundup on my 2+ acre spread. I have heard that it only kills what it comes in contact with, and doesn't work once it hits the soil. I'd like to know if it is safe to use in the garden on the weedy areas, or will it stay in there after I plant. Other suggestions for weed control that is plant friendly would be appreciated. Steve What will you be planting, Steve? |
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SteveB wrote:
My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know. I have what seems to be Bermuda grass or a variant. Stuff that has a spreading root system. Hundreds of other garden variety weeds. I till and till, and rake out the weeds and roots, but I know I won't get them all. I use Roundup on my 2+ acre spread. I have heard that it only kills what it comes in contact with, and doesn't work once it hits the soil. I'd like to know if it is safe to use in the garden on the weedy areas, or will it stay in there after I plant. Other suggestions for weed control that is plant friendly would be appreciated. Steve If it's really Bermudagrass, the only way to get rid of it is to move :) That said, Roundup works great in a vegetable garden. Have you considered "no till" gardening? If your ground is full of weed seeds, when you till it they will wake up and you'll get a fresh crop of weeds. Consider spot-treating the perennial grasses with Roundup, digging up the thistles and dandelions, and contolling the rest with mulch. Best regards, Bob |
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On 5/22/2009 10:06 AM, SteveB wrote:
My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know. I have what seems to be Bermuda grass or a variant. Stuff that has a spreading root system. Hundreds of other garden variety weeds. I till and till, and rake out the weeds and roots, but I know I won't get them all. I use Roundup on my 2+ acre spread. I have heard that it only kills what it comes in contact with, and doesn't work once it hits the soil. I'd like to know if it is safe to use in the garden on the weedy areas, or will it stay in there after I plant. Other suggestions for weed control that is plant friendly would be appreciated. Steve In contact with the soil, Roundup decomposes and is no longer effective after about 3 days. I don't use Roundup broadly. I have used it to spot treat certain weeds, most recently Scotch thistle. Neighboring plants were not affected. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean Sunset Zone: 21 -- interior Santa Monica Mountains with some ocean influence (USDA 10a, very close to Sunset Zone 19) Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
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zxcvbob wrote: SteveB wrote: My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know. I have what seems to be Bermuda grass or a variant. Stuff that has a spreading root system. Hundreds of other garden variety weeds. I till and till, and rake out the weeds and roots, but I know I won't get them all. I use Roundup on my 2+ acre spread. I have heard that it only kills what it comes in contact with, and doesn't work once it hits the soil. I'd like to know if it is safe to use in the garden on the weedy areas, or will it stay in there after I plant. Other suggestions for weed control that is plant friendly would be appreciated. Steve If it's really Bermudagrass, the only way to get rid of it is to move :) That said, Roundup works great in a vegetable garden. Have you considered "no till" gardening? If your ground is full of weed seeds, when you till it they will wake up and you'll get a fresh crop of weeds. Consider spot-treating the perennial grasses with Roundup, digging up the thistles and dandelions, and contolling the rest with mulch. Best regards, Bob Before using Roundup in your garden, you may want to look at http://todayyesterdayandtomorrow.wor...ensored-news-t he-lethal-dangers-of-roundup-made-by-monsanto/ . Bermuda grass is a tough nut to crack. Roundup may be the only cure for Bermuda grass but I wouldn't want to eat from the garden it was used in. You might try solarization (clear plastic), but it won't help you for this year but you might be able to clear an area for next year. Throwing cardboard at it may eventually exterminate it, if you are vigilant. You may not wipeout the Bermuda grass but you should be able to get a harvest. And heads up on thistles and dandelion, they have deep taproots and improve poor soil. See: http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants....cum+officinale and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dandelion You might want to identify the thistle before you pull it. http://www.pfaf.org/database/search_...LNAMES=thistle -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message ... My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know. I have what seems to be Bermuda grass or a variant. Stuff that has a spreading root system. Hundreds of other garden variety weeds. I till and till, and rake out the weeds and roots, but I know I won't get them all. I use Roundup on my 2+ acre spread. I have heard that it only kills what it comes in contact with, and doesn't work once it hits the soil. I'd like to know if it is safe to use in the garden on the weedy areas, or will it stay in there after I plant. Other suggestions for weed control that is plant friendly would be appreciated. Steve What will you be planting, Steve? Tomatos, peppers, beans, cucumbers, squash .......... whatever. |
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"SteveB" wrote in message ... My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know. I have what seems to be Bermuda grass or a variant. Stuff that has a spreading root system. Hundreds of other garden variety weeds. I till and till, and rake out the weeds and roots, but I know I won't get them all. I use Roundup on my 2+ acre spread. I have heard that it only kills what it comes in contact with, and doesn't work once it hits the soil. I'd like to know if it is safe to use in the garden on the weedy areas, or will it stay in there after I plant. Other suggestions for weed control that is plant friendly would be appreciated. Steve If you're asking will it kill plants that you plant where you sprayed - no. It only kills what it lands on. |
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"SteveB" wrote in message ... My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know. I have what seems to be Bermuda grass or a variant. Stuff that has a spreading root system. Hundreds of other garden variety weeds. I till and till, and rake out the weeds and roots, but I know I won't get them all. I use Roundup on my 2+ acre spread. I have heard that it only kills what it comes in contact with, and doesn't work once it hits the soil. I'd like to know if it is safe to use in the garden on the weedy areas, or will it stay in there after I plant. Other suggestions for weed control that is plant friendly would be appreciated. Steve Steve We have a weedspray on our domestic market made from pine oil which dehydrates weeds that is certified organic. Not sure if any use to you or if available in your part of town. Worth a squiz though he. This stuff is not systemic so will require reapplication but might knock down grasses to the point where they give up and die. Will not poison your soil I believe. rob http://www.eproducts.co.nz/index.cfm...tor/index.html http://www.nutraingredients.com/Cons...-control-weeds |
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"SteveB" wrote in message
... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message ... My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know. I have what seems to be Bermuda grass or a variant. Stuff that has a spreading root system. Hundreds of other garden variety weeds. I till and till, and rake out the weeds and roots, but I know I won't get them all. I use Roundup on my 2+ acre spread. I have heard that it only kills what it comes in contact with, and doesn't work once it hits the soil. I'd like to know if it is safe to use in the garden on the weedy areas, or will it stay in there after I plant. Other suggestions for weed control that is plant friendly would be appreciated. Steve What will you be planting, Steve? Tomatos, peppers, beans, cucumbers, squash .......... whatever. OK. Here's where Roundup discussions always get interesting, so pick and choose which of the responses you believe. A pair of dice is helpful, since that roughly matches the science behind human exposure to agricultural chemicals. http://www.i-sis.org.uk/DMPGR.php In my opinion, the only way to determine whether ag chemicals are safe around humans is to test those chemicals in the same way as drugs. In other words, dose living volunteers with the stuff. For all intents and purposes, that never happens, although someone in this group once showed an exception. If you're growing food at home, what's the point of taking the same risks as commercial farmers and exposing yourself to chemicals which have not and will never be tested for safety? Why do all that work to end up with essentially the same result? Use mechanical methods to deal with weeds, like the suggestions about cardboard & mulch. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote
"SteveB" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message ... My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know. I have what seems to be Bermuda grass or a variant. Stuff that has a spreading root system. Hundreds of other garden variety weeds. I till and till, and rake out the weeds and roots, but I know I won't get them all. I use Roundup on my 2+ acre spread. I have heard that it only kills what it comes in contact with, and doesn't work once it hits the soil. I'd like to know if it is safe to use in the garden on the weedy areas, or will it stay in there after I plant. Other suggestions for weed control that is plant friendly would be appreciated. Steve What will you be planting, Steve? Tomatos, peppers, beans, cucumbers, squash .......... whatever. OK. Here's where Roundup discussions always get interesting, so pick and choose which of the responses you believe. A pair of dice is helpful, since that roughly matches the science behind human exposure to agricultural chemicals. http://www.i-sis.org.uk/DMPGR.php In my opinion, the only way to determine whether ag chemicals are safe around humans is to test those chemicals in the same way as drugs. In other words, dose living volunteers with the stuff. For all intents and purposes, that never happens, although someone in this group once showed an exception. If you're growing food at home, what's the point of taking the same risks as commercial farmers and exposing yourself to chemicals which have not and will never be tested for safety? Why do all that work to end up with essentially the same result? Use mechanical methods to deal with weeds, like the suggestions about cardboard & mulch. Every three years I treat my 12' wide by 600' long crushed stone driveway plus two parking aprons with Roundup Pro Concentrate, that area is roughly 1/6 acre. I mix and spray 3 gallons of roundup pro concentrate, last time was two years ago and it cost more than $300 (would cost $400 now) and most of a day's labor with a 3 gallon manual pump sprayer and a lot of sweat mixing and lugging on a hot sunny day (didn't feel the investment in a power roadway sprayer was worth it for one time every 3 years). It would cost roughly $2,400 to treat 2 acres of unwanted lawn with Roundup... and I seriously doubt vegetables would grow there for at least a year... I know from personal experience that the effect of Roundup continues for a long time, that's why I can get by with an application every three years... it's been two years now and vegetation is starting to move in enough that now I mow my driveway. I don't believe SteveB has a 2 acre garden, in fact I don't believe he has any size garden or has ever had any garden, and probably once he wakes up from his beer fogged trailer trash dream and realizes what gardening is about he will never have a garden... no one who has a 2 acre garden (that's a farm, folks) would ever ask such questions about killing grass and weeds with Roundup defolient... a person could feed a family of four with veggies from the market for two years for the price of enough Roundup to treat 2 acres. A person can easily feed a family of four (and two other families of four) veggies all year from a 1/16 acre garden and not pay a cent for any chemicals whatsoever... Steve couldn't afford to treat a 2 acre garden with H2O. When I read of people with their claims of 4 1/2 acre and 2 acre gardens (none have ever posted a photo) I seriously wonder if folks here have any concept of what's an acre of garden. |
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brooklyn1 wrote:
I don't believe SteveB has a 2 acre garden, in fact I don't believe he has any size garden or has ever had any garden, and probably once he wakes up from his beer fogged trailer trash dream and realizes what gardening is about he will never have a garden... no one who has a 2 acre garden (that's a farm, folks) would ever ask such questions about killing grass and weeds with Roundup defolient... a person could feed a family of four with veggies from the market for two years for the price of enough Roundup to treat 2 acres. A person can easily feed a family of four (and two other families of four) veggies all year from a 1/16 acre garden and not pay a cent for any chemicals whatsoever... Steve couldn't afford to treat a 2 acre garden with H2O. When I read of people with their claims of 4 1/2 acre and 2 acre gardens (none have ever posted a photo) I seriously wonder if folks here have any concept of what's an acre of garden. He never said he had a 2 acre garden. He said he has 2+ acres and uses Roundup, and he's getting ready to put in a garden. I had a 1/4 acre garden when I lived in Texas. (and I used RoundUp to spot treat the Bermudagrass that kept sneaking in.) It was a huge garden (IMHO) and was pretty much unmanageable until I discovered drip irrigation. Bob |
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"zxcvbob" wrote in message ... brooklyn1 wrote: I don't believe SteveB has a 2 acre garden, in fact I don't believe he has any size garden or has ever had any garden, and probably once he wakes up from his beer fogged trailer trash dream and realizes what gardening is about he will never have a garden... no one who has a 2 acre garden (that's a farm, folks) would ever ask such questions about killing grass and weeds with Roundup defolient... a person could feed a family of four with veggies from the market for two years for the price of enough Roundup to treat 2 acres. A person can easily feed a family of four (and two other families of four) veggies all year from a 1/16 acre garden and not pay a cent for any chemicals whatsoever... Steve couldn't afford to treat a 2 acre garden with H2O. When I read of people with their claims of 4 1/2 acre and 2 acre gardens (none have ever posted a photo) I seriously wonder if folks here have any concept of what's an acre of garden. He never said he had a 2 acre garden. He said he has 2+ acres and uses Roundup, and he's getting ready to put in a garden. He certainly did refer to his 2 acre garden... why would someone mention 2 acres in reference to a garden when they are putting in say a 10' X 10' plot?!?!? Actually he did say he already has a garden, a "weedy" garden _"My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know."_ He led folks to believe he has a 2 acre garden that is all weedy and he was asking if it was okay to get rid of the weeds in his garden with Roundup... it is quite clear that his intent was to lead folks to believe he has a weedy 2 acre garden. Had he truly wanted suggestion about how to weed his garden (which many offered) an honest person would have said right from the gitgo what size area (he said 2 acres), otherwise no one could offer help except some generalizations and mostly wild speculation. Just like the last person who boasted that she had a 4 1/2 acre garden but when I asked her to post pictures of her garden she didn't deny it but instead posted pictures of all sorts of things but none of any garden (probably a neighbor's property). People on usenet are smarmy, they make all sorts of wildly exaggerated claims and tell down right lies... very few are who they say they are. Many of the pictures folks post are not of their garden and/or not of anything they themselves did. It's easy to post a picture of someone elses garden, or some landscaper was paid to do and then claim they did it, and cameras are very portable so anyone can take a shot of a garden across town, and it's very easy to lift an image off the net... when someone posts a pictures of fully cropped flowers I wonder where they stole those images. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
news:KURRl.1176 If you're growing food at home, what's the point of taking the same risks as commercial farmers and exposing yourself to chemicals which have not and will never be tested for safety? Why do all that work to end up with essentially the same result? I always wonder the same thing. I hear so often of people growing their own vegetables because they don't want the chemical-laden crap that you get tat the store, yet they plant them in plots that have been chemically treated, and sometimes even use pesticides around them. Why not just save the expense and trouble and get them at the store? --S. |
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"Frank" wrote in message news:631b4004-3cc0-475c-acf5- 4 x 8 sheets of plywood laid over the plot to smother the weeds would be effective -- and lay out perfect garden beds at the same time. _________________________ That's a GREAT idea for a new garden plot! I'd follow it up with cardboard & mulch, though, to keep the most hardy weeds down during the growing season AND to add some organic stuff to the soil when it decomposes. --S. |
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"zxcvbob" wrote in message ... I had a 1/4 acre garden when I lived in Texas. (and I used RoundUp to spot treat the Bermudagrass that kept sneaking in.) It was a huge garden (IMHO) and was pretty much unmanageable until I discovered drip irrigation. Drip irrigation is the best invention, EVER. Because of it, I get to plant my entire front yard in corn, tomatoes, and cucumbers, and only have to work about ten minutes a day on it. --S. |
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"Suzanne D." wrote in message ... "Frank" wrote in message news:631b4004-3cc0-475c-acf5- 4 x 8 sheets of plywood laid over the plot to smother the weeds would be effective -- and lay out perfect garden beds at the same time. _________________________ That's a GREAT idea for a new garden plot! I'd follow it up with cardboard & mulch, though, to keep the most hardy weeds down during the growing season AND to add some organic stuff to the soil when it decomposes. Unless one already has the plywood exterior ply doesn't come cheap... and a 4' X 8" plot is not much gardening space... I'd not bother with less than six sheets. And you still need to till, pick rocks, rake, amend, and till and rake again, and again. Killing the weeds by smothering or with chemicals is a total waste of time, labor, and money... there is NO labor free gardening. A good deep rototilling will dispatch any weeds/grass so that those will never grow again... and NEW weeds are inevitable forever. I've been preparing my garden for planting for two days now, I hope to finish tomorrow and I plan to plant this weekend. Gardening is always work, a lot of work. |
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... My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know. I have what seems to be Bermuda grass or a variant. Stuff that has a spreading root system. Hundreds of other garden variety weeds. I till and till, and rake out the weeds and roots, but I know I won't get them all. I use Roundup on my 2+ acre spread. I have heard that it only kills what it comes in contact with, and doesn't work once it hits the soil. I'd like to know if it is safe to use in the garden on the weedy areas, or will it stay in there after I plant. Other suggestions for weed control that is plant friendly would be appreciated. Steve Think of Bermuda grass along the same lines as the movie "Terminator". It never, ever stops. You can't ever kill it entirely. It always comes back with a vengeance. Roundup is only temporary. Does not affect this type of grass's root system. Overlays such as plywood, newspaper and the like, it just either penetrates it or goes around to the perimeter. Just my personal experiences. Even the newsgroup website link pointer fanatic is confused here. -- Dave |
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"Suzanne D." wrote: Drip irrigation is the best invention, EVER. Because of it, I get to plant my entire front yard in corn, tomatoes, and cucumbers, and only have to work about ten minutes a day on it. Ten minutes a day... you must hold the record for the smallest garden. |
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"Dioclese" NONE wrote: Even the newsgroup website link pointer fanatic is confused here. I don't need to be characterized by a flange head. Don't you ever get anything right? When I post a cite, it says there are at least other people who support a position. When you give your opinions, you are all alone. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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On May 23, 1:25 pm, "brooklyn1" wrote:
"Suzanne D." wrote in message ... "Frank" wrote in message news:631b4004-3cc0-475c-acf5- 4 x 8 sheets of plywood laid over the plot to smother the weeds would be effective -- and lay out perfect garden beds at the same time. _________________________ That's a GREAT idea for a new garden plot! I'd follow it up with cardboard & mulch, though, to keep the most hardy weeds down during the growing season AND to add some organic stuff to the soil when it decomposes. Unless one already has the plywood exterior ply doesn't come cheap... and a 4' X 8" plot is not much gardening space... I'd not bother with less than six sheets. And you still need to till, pick rocks, rake, amend, and till and rake again, and again. Killing the weeds by smothering or with chemicals is a total waste of time, labor, and money... there is NO labor free gardening. A good deep rototilling will dispatch any weeds/grass so that those will never grow again... and NEW weeds are inevitable forever. I've been preparing my garden for planting for two days now, I hope to finish tomorrow and I plan to plant this weekend. Gardening is always work, a lot of work. It was always a lot of work for me too until I read Ruth Stout No-Work Garden Book 30 years ago, what an eye opener. I just planted this years crop, took about 5 minutes , just push aside the leaves and planted the seed and covered it up. No tilling, fertilizing, I didn't even bother to water, rain is expected soon. (for yield I get about 25 pounds of beans from a 4x8 size area, don't know if that is good or not). I don't stake tomatoes either. The secret is just to keep your soil covered with organic material 365 days a year like mother nature does, she'll take care of the rest (weeding, fertilizing, watering etc) |
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zxcvbob wrote: If I was starting a new garden plot, I would spray one time with Roundup (actually, probably a generic equivalent) in late spring when the weeds and grass are growing good. Why, when in most cases, newspaper and mulch will accomplish the same thing? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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, " wrote: On May 23, 1:25 pm, "brooklyn1" wrote: "Suzanne D." wrote in message ... "Frank" wrote in message news:631b4004-3cc0-475c-acf5- 4 x 8 sheets of plywood laid over the plot to smother the weeds would be effective -- and lay out perfect garden beds at the same time. _________________________ That's a GREAT idea for a new garden plot! I'd follow it up with cardboard & mulch, though, to keep the most hardy weeds down during the growing season AND to add some organic stuff to the soil when it decomposes. Unless one already has the plywood exterior ply doesn't come cheap... and a 4' X 8" plot is not much gardening space... I'd not bother with less than six sheets. And you still need to till, pick rocks, rake, amend, and till and rake again, and again. Killing the weeds by smothering or with chemicals is a total waste of time, labor, and money... there is NO labor free gardening. A good deep rototilling will dispatch any weeds/grass so that those will never grow again... and NEW weeds are inevitable forever. I've been preparing my garden for planting for two days now, I hope to finish tomorrow and I plan to plant this weekend. Gardening is always work, a lot of work. It was always a lot of work for me too until I read Ruth Stout No-Work Garden Book 30 years ago, what an eye opener. I just planted this years crop, took about 5 minutes , just push aside the leaves and planted the seed and covered it up. No tilling, fertilizing, I didn't even bother to water, rain is expected soon. (for yield I get about 25 pounds of beans from a 4x8 size area, don't know if that is good or not). I don't stake tomatoes either. The secret is just to keep your soil covered with organic material 365 days a year like mother nature does, she'll take care of the rest (weeding, fertilizing, watering etc) I presume you do crop rotation, and that is why you needn't fertilize? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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On Sat, 23 May 2009 16:36:22 GMT, against all advice, something
compelled "brooklyn1" , to say: He certainly did refer to his 2 acre garden Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Who gives a shit? I mean, besides you. -- Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will have to ram it down their throats. - Howard Aiken |
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"brooklyn1" wrote in message ... "Suzanne D." wrote: Drip irrigation is the best invention, EVER. Because of it, I get to plant my entire front yard in corn, tomatoes, and cucumbers, and only have to work about ten minutes a day on it. Ten minutes a day... you must hold the record for the smallest garden. Not at all. My entire front yard is about 60 feet long. (I've got 120 hills of corn, and about 100 cucumber plants along the front fence.) My back yard has eighteen 3X6 foot raised beds, plus a six-foot round 3-tiered herb garden, and a bean house that is about 10 feet on each of four sides. And I have about 20 fruit and nut trees, plus odd vegetables stuck randomly throughout the yard, such as on trellises and along the decks. (I like edible landscaping!) Watering the majority of the garden takes as long as necessary to turn a couple of spigots, plus hand-watering three or four of the beds every day. Of course, the initial laying-down of the drip lines took a long time, but now that everything is in place, it just takes a few minutes to make sure everything gets watered. --S. |
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"brooklyn1" wrote in message news:%YYRl.312
Unless one already has the plywood exterior ply doesn't come cheap... and a 4' X 8" plot is not much gardening space... I'd not bother with less than six sheets. And you still need to till, pick rocks, rake, amend, and till and rake again, and again. Well, no you wouldn't. If you start off by smothering the grasses with plywood or some other solid surface, then you shouldn't till at all after that. Tilling will just bring the submerged weed seeds to the surface and you'll have the same problem over again. It's much better to smother everything under where you want to plant (letting the old plants rot and add nutrients to the soil), and then build on top of that to make new, relatively weed-free soil. This is why I would advocate cardboard instead of plywood (since cardboard can be left in place to decompose), but the plywood *IS* a good idea if you can get it and don't mind moving it when it comes time to plant. A good deep rototilling will dispatch any weeds/grass so that those will never grow again... A good, deep rototilling will also dredge up dormant weed seeds and bring them back to life. With my clayey, weedy soil, I have found it infinitely better to leave the tiller in the garage, and just pile organic stuff on top of cardboard to make rich, fertile garden plots that are virtually weed-free. --S. |
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wrote in message news:0b27fed2-e802-4496-90a0- It was always a lot of work for me too until I read Ruth Stout No-Work Garden Book 30 years ago, what an eye opener. I just planted this years crop, took about 5 minutes , just push aside the leaves and planted the seed and covered it up. No tilling, fertilizing, I didn't even bother to water, rain is expected soon. (for yield I get about 25 pounds of beans from a 4x8 size area, don't know if that is good or not). I don't stake tomatoes either. Amen. The first year I tried to do a garden here, it was tons of work with the tiller, and then the clayey soil compacted and left me with stunted vegetables that became progressively more hidden in a sea of persistent weeds. Then my husband piled that fall's leaves on one area, and when I went to plant some tomatoes there, I found the soil deep, black, crumbly, and full of earthworms! Got an incredible tomato crop in a plot that was barely ten feet square. Since then I have put more work into it by making raised wooden beds, laying down paper in the fall and piling the leaves and grass on top of that. But yeah, in the spring, the work to prepare the garden is so light. I just pop transplants right into the beds, no tilling or mixing or measuring. For small-seeded beds, I make little furrows in the old leaves and throw some compost in there to plant the seeds in. I can't believe I used to mess around with a tiller and waste all that time and gasoline. --S. |
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"zxcvbob" wrote in message ... If I was starting a new garden plot, I would spray one time with Roundup (actually, probably a generic equivalent) in late spring when the weeds and grass are growing good. See, to me, putting poison on weeds is just a waste of good organic matter! I prefer to either smother them, or if that's not possible, pull them and put them back into the bed to rot. Either way it means more nutrients for my garden. I used to loathe the thick stand of Timothy grass we have invading our garden beds, but once I saw it as virtually the only source of nitrogen in the later months of our dry, hot summer climate, I just get excited when I see it growing well, because I get to chop it down and put it on my vegetables! People really need to understand that weeds are nature's way of protecting the earth. When you expose a patch of earth bare (as with tilling), weeds will sprout to cover it. You can't expect to have pure bare land. Killing weeds solves a temporary problem but doesn't solve it forever, unless you plan to keep putting poison on there year after year. When the ground is bare, weeds will grow, no matter what you do. So the key is to NOT let the ground remain uncovered. Mulches and cover crops can help protect the earth so that weeds don't have to. --S. |
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Suzanne D. wrote:
"zxcvbob" wrote in message ... If I was starting a new garden plot, I would spray one time with Roundup (actually, probably a generic equivalent) in late spring when the weeds and grass are growing good. See, to me, putting poison on weeds is just a waste of good organic matter! I prefer to either smother them, or if that's not possible, pull them and put them back into the bed to rot. Either way it means more nutrients for my garden. I used to loathe the thick stand of Timothy grass we have invading our garden beds, but once I saw it as virtually the only source of nitrogen in the later months of our dry, hot summer climate, I just get excited when I see it growing well, because I get to chop it down and put it on my vegetables! People really need to understand that weeds are nature's way of protecting the earth. When you expose a patch of earth bare (as with tilling), weeds will sprout to cover it. You can't expect to have pure bare land. Killing weeds solves a temporary problem but doesn't solve it forever, unless you plan to keep putting poison on there year after year. When the ground is bare, weeds will grow, no matter what you do. So the key is to NOT let the ground remain uncovered. Mulches and cover crops can help protect the earth so that weeds don't have to. --S. The weeds don't go to waste, they get covered with mulch and rot. :-) You keep everything covered so the dormant weed seeds don't sprout. (pulling the weeds would unnecessarily disturb the soil) Bob |
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... "zxcvbob" wrote in message ... brooklyn1 wrote: I don't believe SteveB has a 2 acre garden, in fact I don't believe he has any size garden or has ever had any garden, and probably once he wakes up from his beer fogged trailer trash dream and realizes what gardening is about he will never have a garden... no one who has a 2 acre garden (that's a farm, folks) would ever ask such questions about killing grass and weeds with Roundup defolient... a person could feed a family of four with veggies from the market for two years for the price of enough Roundup to treat 2 acres. A person can easily feed a family of four (and two other families of four) veggies all year from a 1/16 acre garden and not pay a cent for any chemicals whatsoever... Steve couldn't afford to treat a 2 acre garden with H2O. When I read of people with their claims of 4 1/2 acre and 2 acre gardens (none have ever posted a photo) I seriously wonder if folks here have any concept of what's an acre of garden. He never said he had a 2 acre garden. He said he has 2+ acres and uses Roundup, and he's getting ready to put in a garden. He certainly did refer to his 2 acre garden... why would someone mention 2 acres in reference to a garden when they are putting in say a 10' X 10' plot?!?!? Actually he did say he already has a garden, a "weedy" garden _"My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know."_ He led folks to believe he has a 2 acre garden that is all weedy and he was asking if it was okay to get rid of the weeds in his garden with Roundup... it is quite clear that his intent was to lead folks to believe he has a weedy 2 acre garden. Had he truly wanted suggestion about how to weed his garden (which many offered) an honest person would have said right from the gitgo what size area (he said 2 acres), otherwise no one could offer help except some generalizations and mostly wild speculation. Just like the last person who boasted that she had a 4 1/2 acre garden but when I asked her to post pictures of her garden she didn't deny it but instead posted pictures of all sorts of things but none of any garden (probably a neighbor's property). People on usenet are smarmy, they make all sorts of wildly exaggerated claims and tell down right lies... very few are who they say they are. Many of the pictures folks post are not of their garden and/or not of anything they themselves did. It's easy to post a picture of someone elses garden, or some landscaper was paid to do and then claim they did it, and cameras are very portable so anyone can take a shot of a garden across town, and it's very easy to lift an image off the net... when someone posts a pictures of fully cropped flowers I wonder where they stole those images. You made your point when talking about smaller acreage and affordibility of Roundup vs. feeding the family. I don't digress. You did just waste your "breath" though on a point that is really moot from the prior replying poster. -- Dave |
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On Sat, 23 May 2009 23:43:17 -0500, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
"zxcvbob" wrote in message ... wrote: On May 23, 1:25 pm, "brooklyn1" wrote: "Suzanne D." wrote in message ... "Frank" wrote in message news:631b4004-3cc0-475c-acf5- 4 x 8 sheets of plywood laid over the plot to smother the weeds would be effective -- and lay out perfect garden beds at the same time. _________________________ That's a GREAT idea for a new garden plot! I'd follow it up with cardboard & mulch, though, to keep the most hardy weeds down during the growing season AND to add some organic stuff to the soil when it decomposes. Unless one already has the plywood exterior ply doesn't come cheap... and a 4' X 8" plot is not much gardening space... I'd not bother with less than six sheets. And you still need to till, pick rocks, rake, amend, and till and rake again, and again. Killing the weeds by smothering or with chemicals is a total waste of time, labor, and money... there is NO labor free gardening. A good deep rototilling will dispatch any weeds/grass so that those will never grow again... and NEW weeds are inevitable forever. I've been preparing my garden for planting for two days now, I hope to finish tomorrow and I plan to plant this weekend. Gardening is always work, a lot of work. It was always a lot of work for me too until I read Ruth Stout No-Work Garden Book 30 years ago, what an eye opener. I just planted this years crop, took about 5 minutes , just push aside the leaves and planted the seed and covered it up. No tilling, fertilizing, I didn't even bother to water, rain is expected soon. (for yield I get about 25 pounds of beans from a 4x8 size area, don't know if that is good or not). I don't stake tomatoes either. The secret is just to keep your soil covered with organic material 365 days a year like mother nature does, she'll take care of the rest (weeding, fertilizing, watering etc) If I was starting a new garden plot, I would spray one time with Roundup (actually, probably a generic equivalent) in late spring when the weeds and grass are growing good. Then that first year I would transplant in warm season crops like tomatoes and peppers and eggplant, disturbing the soil as little as possible. Mulch heavily with shredded paper and leaves and other carbon-rich matter, supplying nitrogen as necessary just to the plants (mostly in the form of diluted urine.) Keep adding mulch as it disappears. Any weeds that come up will be starved for nitrogen (by the decomposing mulch) until you get a chance to pull them out. Just toss them on top to die and go back in the soil eventually. Let the earthworms till the soil instead of you, and the dormant weed seeds will stay dormant. You'll probably never have to use the Roundup again. By the second year, you can probably grow beans and squash and other direct-sown crops. Bob The original post was about Bermuda grass. This stuff is prolific and grows around and through just about anything you throw at it. It laughs at compost as an impediment. I've seen a clay pot full of pure, dry sand with Bermuda sprouting out it. No, it was not rooting in the sand. The Bermuda crept through the one drainaige hole at the bottom and worked its way to the top. The pot was sitting on the edge of a concrete slab, the Bermuda crept up 6" from the ground, then into the pot's bottom. In another similar case, a pot sitting on a 4" thick flat rock. 16" tall pot. The pot did have soil in it. Same thing. I'm ignoring the newsgroup weblink police fanatic. If you look hard enough on the internet, you will find that pigs can fly. Doesn't mean that I believe it. I have it where it went under three feet of concrete. Aggressive stuff. |
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"brooklyn1" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote "SteveB" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message ... My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know. I have what seems to be Bermuda grass or a variant. Stuff that has a spreading root system. Hundreds of other garden variety weeds. I till and till, and rake out the weeds and roots, but I know I won't get them all. I use Roundup on my 2+ acre spread. I have heard that it only kills what it comes in contact with, and doesn't work once it hits the soil. I'd like to know if it is safe to use in the garden on the weedy areas, or will it stay in there after I plant. Other suggestions for weed control that is plant friendly would be appreciated. Steve What will you be planting, Steve? Tomatos, peppers, beans, cucumbers, squash .......... whatever. OK. Here's where Roundup discussions always get interesting, so pick and choose which of the responses you believe. A pair of dice is helpful, since that roughly matches the science behind human exposure to agricultural chemicals. http://www.i-sis.org.uk/DMPGR.php In my opinion, the only way to determine whether ag chemicals are safe around humans is to test those chemicals in the same way as drugs. In other words, dose living volunteers with the stuff. For all intents and purposes, that never happens, although someone in this group once showed an exception. If you're growing food at home, what's the point of taking the same risks as commercial farmers and exposing yourself to chemicals which have not and will never be tested for safety? Why do all that work to end up with essentially the same result? Use mechanical methods to deal with weeds, like the suggestions about cardboard & mulch. Every three years I treat my 12' wide by 600' long crushed stone driveway plus two parking aprons with Roundup Pro Concentrate, that area is roughly 1/6 acre. I mix and spray 3 gallons of roundup pro concentrate, last time was two years ago and it cost more than $300 (would cost $400 now) and most of a day's labor with a 3 gallon manual pump sprayer and a lot of sweat mixing and lugging on a hot sunny day (didn't feel the investment in a power roadway sprayer was worth it for one time every 3 years). It would cost roughly $2,400 to treat 2 acres of unwanted lawn with Roundup... and I seriously doubt vegetables would grow there for at least a year... I know from personal experience that the effect of Roundup continues for a long time, that's why I can get by with an application every three years... it's been two years now and vegetation is starting to move in enough that now I mow my driveway. I don't believe SteveB has a 2 acre garden, in fact I don't believe he has any size garden or has ever had any garden, and probably once he wakes up from his beer fogged trailer trash dream and realizes what gardening is about he will never have a garden... no one who has a 2 acre garden (that's a farm, folks) would ever ask such questions about killing grass and weeds with Roundup defolient... a person could feed a family of four with veggies from the market for two years for the price of enough Roundup to treat 2 acres. A person can easily feed a family of four (and two other families of four) veggies all year from a 1/16 acre garden and not pay a cent for any chemicals whatsoever... Steve couldn't afford to treat a 2 acre garden with H2O. When I read of people with their claims of 4 1/2 acre and 2 acre gardens (none have ever posted a photo) I seriously wonder if folks here have any concept of what's an acre of garden. Who ****ed in your Wheaties? |
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"brooklyn1" wrote in message ... "zxcvbob" wrote in message ... brooklyn1 wrote: I don't believe SteveB has a 2 acre garden, in fact I don't believe he has any size garden or has ever had any garden, and probably once he wakes up from his beer fogged trailer trash dream and realizes what gardening is about he will never have a garden... no one who has a 2 acre garden (that's a farm, folks) would ever ask such questions about killing grass and weeds with Roundup defolient... a person could feed a family of four with veggies from the market for two years for the price of enough Roundup to treat 2 acres. A person can easily feed a family of four (and two other families of four) veggies all year from a 1/16 acre garden and not pay a cent for any chemicals whatsoever... Steve couldn't afford to treat a 2 acre garden with H2O. When I read of people with their claims of 4 1/2 acre and 2 acre gardens (none have ever posted a photo) I seriously wonder if folks here have any concept of what's an acre of garden. He never said he had a 2 acre garden. He said he has 2+ acres and uses Roundup, and he's getting ready to put in a garden. He certainly did refer to his 2 acre garden... why would someone mention 2 acres in reference to a garden when they are putting in say a 10' X 10' plot?!?!? Actually he did say he already has a garden, a "weedy" garden _"My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know."_ He led folks to believe he has a 2 acre garden that is all weedy and he was asking if it was okay to get rid of the weeds in his garden with Roundup... it is quite clear that his intent was to lead folks to believe he has a weedy 2 acre garden. Had he truly wanted suggestion about how to weed his garden (which many offered) an honest person would have said right from the gitgo what size area (he said 2 acres), otherwise no one could offer help except some generalizations and mostly wild speculation. Just like the last person who boasted that she had a 4 1/2 acre garden but when I asked her to post pictures of her garden she didn't deny it but instead posted pictures of all sorts of things but none of any garden (probably a neighbor's property). People on usenet are smarmy, they make all sorts of wildly exaggerated claims and tell down right lies... very few are who they say they are. Many of the pictures folks post are not of their garden and/or not of anything they themselves did. It's easy to post a picture of someone elses garden, or some landscaper was paid to do and then claim they did it, and cameras are very portable so anyone can take a shot of a garden across town, and it's very easy to lift an image off the net... when someone posts a pictures of fully cropped flowers I wonder where they stole those images. What have you been sniffing, Roundup? I own two acres, which I spray here and there for weed control. I am starting a garden, and wanted to spray a little in there to get ahead of the weeds. Did you get it that time, Sparky? Steve |
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Dioclese wrote:
"zxcvbob" wrote in message ... wrote: On May 23, 1:25 pm, "brooklyn1" wrote: "Suzanne D." wrote in message ... "Frank" wrote in message news:631b4004-3cc0-475c-acf5- 4 x 8 sheets of plywood laid over the plot to smother the weeds would be effective -- and lay out perfect garden beds at the same time. _________________________ That's a GREAT idea for a new garden plot! I'd follow it up with cardboard & mulch, though, to keep the most hardy weeds down during the growing season AND to add some organic stuff to the soil when it decomposes. Unless one already has the plywood exterior ply doesn't come cheap... and a 4' X 8" plot is not much gardening space... I'd not bother with less than six sheets. And you still need to till, pick rocks, rake, amend, and till and rake again, and again. Killing the weeds by smothering or with chemicals is a total waste of time, labor, and money... there is NO labor free gardening. A good deep rototilling will dispatch any weeds/grass so that those will never grow again... and NEW weeds are inevitable forever. I've been preparing my garden for planting for two days now, I hope to finish tomorrow and I plan to plant this weekend. Gardening is always work, a lot of work. It was always a lot of work for me too until I read Ruth Stout No-Work Garden Book 30 years ago, what an eye opener. I just planted this years crop, took about 5 minutes , just push aside the leaves and planted the seed and covered it up. No tilling, fertilizing, I didn't even bother to water, rain is expected soon. (for yield I get about 25 pounds of beans from a 4x8 size area, don't know if that is good or not). I don't stake tomatoes either. The secret is just to keep your soil covered with organic material 365 days a year like mother nature does, she'll take care of the rest (weeding, fertilizing, watering etc) If I was starting a new garden plot, I would spray one time with Roundup (actually, probably a generic equivalent) in late spring when the weeds and grass are growing good. Then that first year I would transplant in warm season crops like tomatoes and peppers and eggplant, disturbing the soil as little as possible. Mulch heavily with shredded paper and leaves and other carbon-rich matter, supplying nitrogen as necessary just to the plants (mostly in the form of diluted urine.) Keep adding mulch as it disappears. Any weeds that come up will be starved for nitrogen (by the decomposing mulch) until you get a chance to pull them out. Just toss them on top to die and go back in the soil eventually. Let the earthworms till the soil instead of you, and the dormant weed seeds will stay dormant. You'll probably never have to use the Roundup again. By the second year, you can probably grow beans and squash and other direct-sown crops. Bob The original post was about Bermuda grass. This stuff is prolific and grows around and through just about anything you throw at it. It laughs at compost as an impediment. I've seen a clay pot full of pure, dry sand with Bermuda sprouting out it. No, it was not rooting in the sand. The Bermuda crept through the one drainaige hole at the bottom and worked its way to the top. The pot was sitting on the edge of a concrete slab, the Bermuda crept up 6" from the ground, then into the pot's bottom. In another similar case, a pot sitting on a 4" thick flat rock. 16" tall pot. The pot did have soil in it. Same thing. I'm ignoring the newsgroup weblink police fanatic. If you look hard enough on the internet, you will find that pigs can fly. Doesn't mean that I believe it. If you remember, in my first post in this thread I recommended moving :-) (to get rid of Bermuda.) I used to live in Houston, and for a while in Temple, TX, I know about the stuff. That's why I'd wait until late spring and spray everything with Roundup one time -- to kill the perennial grasses. Bob |
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"Suzanne D." wrote in message ... "zxcvbob" wrote in message ... I had a 1/4 acre garden when I lived in Texas. (and I used RoundUp to spot treat the Bermudagrass that kept sneaking in.) It was a huge garden (IMHO) and was pretty much unmanageable until I discovered drip irrigation. Drip irrigation is the best invention, EVER. Because of it, I get to plant my entire front yard in corn, tomatoes, and cucumbers, and only have to work about ten minutes a day on it. --S. I've had gardens for several years when I lived in Louisiana. My wife is a type A personality. So, when it come time to do the garden, she's out there, tilling, and making rows that are on a slant, following the slant of the property. The water runs right through her ditches, and very little stops for the plants. Couldn't or wouldn't take in the idea that even rice paddies are made to stairstep down the mountainsides. I have taken the second half of the garden, and am about through tilling it now and removing weeds. But I am making my rows at ninety degrees to hers, and using black flex pipe with drip irrigation. So, we'll see whose does the best. Outside the garden, we have about a dozen trees that have bubblers and moats. Tomorrow, I will put wire around the entrances for rabbits, and plant melons in the moats where they will be automatically watered. Might even put a picture up on flickr for brooklyn1. or not. Steve |
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"Dioclese" NONE wrote in message m... "brooklyn1" wrote in message ... "zxcvbob" wrote in message ... brooklyn1 wrote: I don't believe SteveB has a 2 acre garden, in fact I don't believe he has any size garden or has ever had any garden, and probably once he wakes up from his beer fogged trailer trash dream and realizes what gardening is about he will never have a garden... no one who has a 2 acre garden (that's a farm, folks) would ever ask such questions about killing grass and weeds with Roundup defolient... a person could feed a family of four with veggies from the market for two years for the price of enough Roundup to treat 2 acres. A person can easily feed a family of four (and two other families of four) veggies all year from a 1/16 acre garden and not pay a cent for any chemicals whatsoever... Steve couldn't afford to treat a 2 acre garden with H2O. When I read of people with their claims of 4 1/2 acre and 2 acre gardens (none have ever posted a photo) I seriously wonder if folks here have any concept of what's an acre of garden. He never said he had a 2 acre garden. He said he has 2+ acres and uses Roundup, and he's getting ready to put in a garden. He certainly did refer to his 2 acre garden... why would someone mention 2 acres in reference to a garden when they are putting in say a 10' X 10' plot?!?!? Actually he did say he already has a garden, a "weedy" garden _"My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know."_ He led folks to believe he has a 2 acre garden that is all weedy and he was asking if it was okay to get rid of the weeds in his garden with Roundup... it is quite clear that his intent was to lead folks to believe he has a weedy 2 acre garden. Had he truly wanted suggestion about how to weed his garden (which many offered) an honest person would have said right from the gitgo what size area (he said 2 acres), otherwise no one could offer help except some generalizations and mostly wild speculation. Just like the last person who boasted that she had a 4 1/2 acre garden but when I asked her to post pictures of her garden she didn't deny it but instead posted pictures of all sorts of things but none of any garden (probably a neighbor's property). People on usenet are smarmy, they make all sorts of wildly exaggerated claims and tell down right lies... very few are who they say they are. Many of the pictures folks post are not of their garden and/or not of anything they themselves did. It's easy to post a picture of someone elses garden, or some landscaper was paid to do and then claim they did it, and cameras are very portable so anyone can take a shot of a garden across town, and it's very easy to lift an image off the net... when someone posts a pictures of fully cropped flowers I wonder where they stole those images. You made your point when talking about smaller acreage and affordibility of Roundup vs. feeding the family. I don't digress. You did just waste your "breath" though on a point that is really moot from the prior replying poster. Sheesh, who made you sole arbiter of what peeps post... your responding to my post added nothing, whereas yours and you are the total waste... and obviously you haven't a clue what "digress" means or is your use germaine, you just inserted the tired overused word self-servingly in hopes of elevating yourself to a position of importance and superiority, not. I'm positive you don't have a garden either, never did, never will.... what an insignicant pinhead your momma bred. |
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"brooklyn1" wrote in message ... "Dioclese" NONE wrote in message m... "brooklyn1" wrote in message ... "zxcvbob" wrote in message ... brooklyn1 wrote: I don't believe SteveB has a 2 acre garden, in fact I don't believe he has any size garden or has ever had any garden, and probably once he wakes up from his beer fogged trailer trash dream and realizes what gardening is about he will never have a garden... no one who has a 2 acre garden (that's a farm, folks) would ever ask such questions about killing grass and weeds with Roundup defolient... a person could feed a family of four with veggies from the market for two years for the price of enough Roundup to treat 2 acres. A person can easily feed a family of four (and two other families of four) veggies all year from a 1/16 acre garden and not pay a cent for any chemicals whatsoever... Steve couldn't afford to treat a 2 acre garden with H2O. When I read of people with their claims of 4 1/2 acre and 2 acre gardens (none have ever posted a photo) I seriously wonder if folks here have any concept of what's an acre of garden. He never said he had a 2 acre garden. He said he has 2+ acres and uses Roundup, and he's getting ready to put in a garden. He certainly did refer to his 2 acre garden... why would someone mention 2 acres in reference to a garden when they are putting in say a 10' X 10' plot?!?!? Actually he did say he already has a garden, a "weedy" garden _"My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know."_ He led folks to believe he has a 2 acre garden that is all weedy and he was asking if it was okay to get rid of the weeds in his garden with Roundup... it is quite clear that his intent was to lead folks to believe he has a weedy 2 acre garden. Had he truly wanted suggestion about how to weed his garden (which many offered) an honest person would have said right from the gitgo what size area (he said 2 acres), otherwise no one could offer help except some generalizations and mostly wild speculation. Just like the last person who boasted that she had a 4 1/2 acre garden but when I asked her to post pictures of her garden she didn't deny it but instead posted pictures of all sorts of things but none of any garden (probably a neighbor's property). People on usenet are smarmy, they make all sorts of wildly exaggerated claims and tell down right lies... very few are who they say they are. Many of the pictures folks post are not of their garden and/or not of anything they themselves did. It's easy to post a picture of someone elses garden, or some landscaper was paid to do and then claim they did it, and cameras are very portable so anyone can take a shot of a garden across town, and it's very easy to lift an image off the net... when someone posts a pictures of fully cropped flowers I wonder where they stole those images. You made your point when talking about smaller acreage and affordibility of Roundup vs. feeding the family. I don't digress. You did just waste your "breath" though on a point that is really moot from the prior replying poster. Sheesh, who made you sole arbiter of what peeps post... your responding to my post added nothing, whereas yours and you are the total waste... and obviously you haven't a clue what "digress" means or is your use germaine, you just inserted the tired overused word self-servingly in hopes of elevating yourself to a position of importance and superiority, not. I'm positive you don't have a garden either, never did, never will.... what an insignicant pinhead your momma bred. And it sounds like you're a pimple faced idiot with little real world experience. Either join in the conversation or STFU. On second thought, you haven't written anything yet I consider worth reading, so, it's to the compost pile with you. bubye Steve |
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