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What's wrong with my apple tree?
All the leaves have spots/bumps on them. I don't know what it is, but I'm
hoping it can be fixed. Here's a picture of what one of the leaves look like, front and back: http://hopespringsfarm.angelfire.com/AppleLeaves01.jpg Victoria, zone 5a -- What would YOU do for a Klondike Bar? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.myspace.com/vhestin http://hopespringsfarm.angelfire.com http://www.twitter.com/lilahpryce |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
Lilah Morgan wrote:
All the leaves have spots/bumps on them. I don't know what it is, but I'm hoping it can be fixed. Here's a picture of what one of the leaves look like, front and back: http://hopespringsfarm.angelfire.com/AppleLeaves01.jpg Victoria, zone 5a Lilah, Looks like Apple Scab. This rainy damp weather seems to encourage this fungus. You should spray the tree with a fungicide early in the spring to be most effective, but you can try spraying now. The problem may go away by itself next year, but I would give it a spray very early in the spring. If the problem persists, you may have to continue spraying with a fungicide through the growing season. Sherwin |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
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sherwin dubren wrote: Lilah Morgan wrote: All the leaves have spots/bumps on them. I don't know what it is, but I'm hoping it can be fixed. Here's a picture of what one of the leaves look like, front and back: http://hopespringsfarm.angelfire.com/AppleLeaves01.jpg Victoria, zone 5a Lilah, Looks like Apple Scab. This rainy damp weather seems to encourage this fungus. You should spray the tree with a fungicide early in the spring to be most effective, but you can try spraying now. The problem may go away by itself next year, but I would give it a spray very early in the spring. If the problem persists, you may have to continue spraying with a fungicide through the growing season. Sherwin We all know how much Sherwin loves to spray (nature be damned). I'd contact your local Master Gardener's Program in Klamath at 883-7131, http://oregonstate.edu/dept/kbrec/ first. Good luck, -- - Billy Racial injustice, war, urban blight, and environmental rape have a common denominator in our exploitative economic system.* ~Channing E. Phillips Israeli Settlers Attack Palestinian Land http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
"Lilah Morgan" wrote in message ers2... All the leaves have spots/bumps on them. I don't know what it is, but I'm hoping it can be fixed. Here's a picture of what one of the leaves look like, front and back: http://hopespringsfarm.angelfire.com/AppleLeaves01.jpg I go with Sherwin on this. I get the impression billy is implying that spraying is evil. Quite the contrary. http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/cropprot/tfipm/applescb.htm http://gardening.wsu.edu/text/treef.htm http://extension.oregonstate.edu/new...toryType=garde http://www.caf.wvu.edu/kearneysville/organic-apple.html |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
In article ss,
"gunner" wrote: "Lilah Morgan" wrote in message ers2... All the leaves have spots/bumps on them. I don't know what it is, but I'm hoping it can be fixed. Here's a picture of what one of the leaves look like, front and back: http://hopespringsfarm.angelfire.com/AppleLeaves01.jpg I go with Sherwin on this. I get the impression billy is implying that spraying is evil. Quite the contrary. http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/cropprot/tfipm/applescb.htm http://gardening.wsu.edu/text/treef.htm http://extension.oregonstate.edu/new...toryType=garde http://www.caf.wvu.edu/kearneysville/organic-apple.html I'm not responsible for your impressions. Instead of relying on an I.D. from 3,000 mi. away I suggested that Lilah talk with a representative of the University of Oregon, who is not far from where she lives. Perhaps, someone local could identify the problem. You don't have anything against the University of Oregon, do you? Master Gardener's Program in Klamath Falls (Lilah lives in Klamath County) 883-7131, http://oregonstate.edu/dept/kbrec/ -- - Billy Racial injustice, war, urban blight, and environmental rape have a common denominator in our exploitative economic system.* ~Channing E. Phillips Israeli Settlers Attack Palestinian Land http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
"Billy" wrote in message ... In article ss, "gunner" wrote: "Lilah Morgan" wrote in message ers2... All the leaves have spots/bumps on them. I don't know what it is, but I'm hoping it can be fixed. Here's a picture of what one of the leaves look like, front and back: http://hopespringsfarm.angelfire.com/AppleLeaves01.jpg I go with Sherwin on this. I get the impression billy is implying that spraying is evil. Quite the contrary. http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/cropprot/tfipm/applescb.htm http://gardening.wsu.edu/text/treef.htm http://extension.oregonstate.edu/new...toryType=garde http://www.caf.wvu.edu/kearneysville/organic-apple.html Superfluous Political BS snipped .......and this deletion added back in: "We all know how much Sherwin loves to spray (nature be damned)." I'm not responsible for your impressions. Well, That is a good thing as self rightous indignation does not suit you very well. Instead of relying on an I.D. from 3,000 mi. away I suggested that Lilah talk with a representative of the University of Oregon, who is not far from where she lives. Ahh, Chapter 3...plausible denial? All in all, you gave good advice and yet.......... You can't even follow your OWN advice in addressing Tomatobecky's post a bit later. How bizarre your rationale changes from one minute to the next, (one with a pic, one without). Perhaps, someone local could identify the problem. You don't have anything against the University of Oregon, do you? ( You also read chapter 4 of your Propaganda 101 book, didn't you? ) |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
Billy wrote:
In article , sherwin dubren wrote: Lilah Morgan wrote: All the leaves have spots/bumps on them. I don't know what it is, but I'm hoping it can be fixed. Here's a picture of what one of the leaves look like, front and back: http://hopespringsfarm.angelfire.com/AppleLeaves01.jpg Victoria, zone 5a Lilah, Looks like Apple Scab. This rainy damp weather seems to encourage this fungus. You should spray the tree with a fungicide early in the spring to be most effective, but you can try spraying now. The problem may go away by itself next year, but I would give it a spray very early in the spring. If the problem persists, you may have to continue spraying with a fungicide through the growing season. Sherwin We all know how much Sherwin loves to spray (nature be damned). I'd contact your local Master Gardener's Program in Klamath at 883-7131, http://oregonstate.edu/dept/kbrec/ first. Good luck, Billy, you don't seem to have any suggestions. You probably wouldn't know a fruit tree from a fire plug. Sherwin |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
Billy wrote:
In article ss, "gunner" wrote: "Lilah Morgan" wrote in message ers2... All the leaves have spots/bumps on them. I don't know what it is, but I'm hoping it can be fixed. Here's a picture of what one of the leaves look like, front and back: http://hopespringsfarm.angelfire.com/AppleLeaves01.jpg I go with Sherwin on this. I get the impression billy is implying that spraying is evil. Quite the contrary. http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/cropprot/tfipm/applescb.htm http://gardening.wsu.edu/text/treef.htm http://extension.oregonstate.edu/new...toryType=garde http://www.caf.wvu.edu/kearneysville/organic-apple.html I'm not responsible for your impressions. Instead of relying on an I.D. from 3,000 mi. away I suggested that Lilah talk with a representative of the University of Oregon, who is not far from where she lives. Perhaps, someone local could identify the problem. You don't have anything against the University of Oregon, do you? Master Gardener's Program in Klamath Falls (Lilah lives in Klamath County) 883-7131, http://oregonstate.edu/dept/kbrec/ Here we go again with Billy's sending people off to the Universities and Extension Centers. This may work for him, since his knowledge of fruit trees is very limited. Notice Billy does this kind of shuffling people off on fruit issues, but not on vegetable gardening where supposedly he has more knowledge. Sherwin |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
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sherwin dubren wrote: Billy wrote: In article , sherwin dubren wrote: Lilah Morgan wrote: All the leaves have spots/bumps on them. I don't know what it is, but I'm hoping it can be fixed. Here's a picture of what one of the leaves look like, front and back: http://hopespringsfarm.angelfire.com/AppleLeaves01.jpg Victoria, zone 5a Lilah, Looks like Apple Scab. This rainy damp weather seems to encourage this fungus. You should spray the tree with a fungicide early in the spring to be most effective, but you can try spraying now. The problem may go away by itself next year, but I would give it a spray very early in the spring. If the problem persists, you may have to continue spraying with a fungicide through the growing season. Sherwin We all know how much Sherwin loves to spray (nature be damned). I'd contact your local Master Gardener's Program in Klamath at 883-7131, http://oregonstate.edu/dept/kbrec/ first. Good luck, Billy, you don't seem to have any suggestions. You probably wouldn't know a fruit tree from a fire plug. Sherwin And what has that to do with solving Lilah's problem? Do you see a problem with seeking local help, doo? -- - Billy Racial injustice, war, urban blight, and environmental rape have a common denominator in our exploitative economic system.* ~Channing E. Phillips Israeli Settlers Attack Palestinian Land http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
In article ,
sherwin dubren wrote: Billy wrote: In article ss, "gunner" wrote: "Lilah Morgan" wrote in message ers2... All the leaves have spots/bumps on them. I don't know what it is, but I'm hoping it can be fixed. Here's a picture of what one of the leaves look like, front and back: http://hopespringsfarm.angelfire.com/AppleLeaves01.jpg I go with Sherwin on this. I get the impression billy is implying that spraying is evil. Quite the contrary. http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/cropprot/tfipm/applescb.htm http://gardening.wsu.edu/text/treef.htm http://extension.oregonstate.edu/new...toryType=garde http://www.caf.wvu.edu/kearneysville/organic-apple.html I'm not responsible for your impressions. Instead of relying on an I.D. from 3,000 mi. away I suggested that Lilah talk with a representative of the University of Oregon, who is not far from where she lives. Perhaps, someone local could identify the problem. You don't have anything against the University of Oregon, do you? Master Gardener's Program in Klamath Falls (Lilah lives in Klamath County) 883-7131, http://oregonstate.edu/dept/kbrec/ Here we go again with Billy's sending people off to the Universities and Extension Centers. This may work for him, since his knowledge of fruit trees is very limited. Notice Billy does this kind of shuffling people off on fruit issues, but not on vegetable gardening where supposedly he has more knowledge. Sherwin And your problem with seeking local, expert advice is . . . ? Maybe if you gave yourself a good squirt of Imidan, you'd feel better doo ;O) -- - Billy Racial injustice, war, urban blight, and environmental rape have a common denominator in our exploitative economic system.* ~Channing E. Phillips Israeli Settlers Attack Palestinian Land http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
In article ss,
"gunner" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article ss, "gunner" wrote: "Lilah Morgan" wrote in message ers2... All the leaves have spots/bumps on them. I don't know what it is, but I'm hoping it can be fixed. Here's a picture of what one of the leaves look like, front and back: http://hopespringsfarm.angelfire.com/AppleLeaves01.jpg I go with Sherwin on this. I get the impression billy is implying that spraying is evil. Quite the contrary. http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/cropprot/tfipm/applescb.htm http://gardening.wsu.edu/text/treef.htm http://extension.oregonstate.edu/new...toryType=garde http://www.caf.wvu.edu/kearneysville/organic-apple.html Superfluous Political BS snipped .......and this deletion added back in: "We all know how much Sherwin loves to spray (nature be damned)." I'm not responsible for your impressions. Well, That is a good thing as self rightous indignation does not suit you very well. Instead of relying on an I.D. from 3,000 mi. away I suggested that Lilah talk with a representative of the University of Oregon, who is not far from where she lives. Ahh, Chapter 3...plausible denial? All in all, you gave good advice and yet.......... You can't even follow your OWN advice in addressing Tomatobecky's post a bit later. How bizarre your rationale changes from one minute to the next, (one with a pic, one without). Perhaps, someone local could identify the problem. You don't have anything against the University of Oregon, do you? ( You also read chapter 4 of your Propaganda 101 book, didn't you? ) Doo didn't squirt you with something, did he? Have a nice rant. -- - Billy Racial injustice, war, urban blight, and environmental rape have a common denominator in our exploitative economic system.* ~Channing E. Phillips Israeli Settlers Attack Palestinian Land http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
Billy wrote:
And your problem with seeking local, expert advice is . . . ? Maybe if you gave yourself a good squirt of Imidan, you'd feel better doo ;O) Billygoat, If I think I have an answer to a problem, I don't send people running off to seek further help. The original poster was very clear in describing the symptoms and even sent a very clear picture of the malady. There was no question in my mind that the problem is apple scab. Why bother having a forum. Just build in a standard reply to all poster problems to take it elsewhere to their local experts. If nobody in this group had an inkling to an identification, sure it might require a hands on examination, but that is not the case here. I have also had problems getting information about fruit growing problems from my local botanic garden. Most have little or no background in fruit trees. I have sometimes received help from a university researcher, but it was not easy to reach him. Again, I repeat, you never send people off to 'experts' with things you supposedly are knowledgeable, like vegetables. You have some compulsion to give advice, even if it something you know nothing about. As for spraying, what do you propose to fix this problem, if it is indeed apple scab. Maybe some organic fairy dust? By the way, there are organic sprays for fruits. In this case, she could use copper sulfate as a fungicide and this is organic. I think you are the one with Imidan on the brain. Sherwin |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
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sherwin dubren wrote: Billy wrote: And your problem with seeking local, expert advice is . . . ? Maybe if you gave yourself a good squirt of Imidan, you'd feel better doo ;O) Billygoat, If I think I have an answer to a problem, I don't send people running off to seek further help. The original poster was very clear in describing the symptoms and even sent a very clear picture of the malady. There was no question in my mind that the problem is apple scab. Why bother having a forum. Just build in a standard reply to all poster problems to take it elsewhere to their local experts. If nobody in this group had an inkling to an identification, sure it might require a hands on examination, but that is not the case here. I have also had problems getting information about fruit growing problems from my local botanic garden. Most have little or no background in fruit trees. I have sometimes received help from a university researcher, but it was not easy to reach him. Again, I repeat, you never send people off to 'experts' with things you supposedly are knowledgeable, like vegetables. You have some compulsion to give advice, even if it something you know nothing about. As for spraying, what do you propose to fix this problem, if it is indeed apple scab. Maybe some organic fairy dust? By the way, there are organic sprays for fruits. In this case, she could use copper sulfate as a fungicide and this is organic. I think you are the one with Imidan on the brain. Sherwin Still FUBARED, Doo? Doing that doo, Doo, that you doo so well? So what is your degree in, Doo? Upon what do you decide that your guesstimates don't require a review by professionals? Even if you were a professional, most don't feel as threatened as you do with a second opinion. Why don't we give posters the full range of options, instead of just the world according to Doo? Hell, give yourself 2 squirts ;O) -- - Billy Racial injustice, war, urban blight, and environmental rape have a common denominator in our exploitative economic system.* ~Channing E. Phillips Israeli Settlers Attack Palestinian Land http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
So what is your degree in, Doo? Upon what do you decide that your guesstimates don't require a review by professionals? Even if you were a professional, most don't feel as threatened as you do with a second opinion. Why don't we give posters the full range of options, instead of just the world according to Doo? Hell, give yourself 2 squirts ;O) Billygoat, You are a fool not worth exchanging a logical arguement with. Sherwin |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
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sherwin dubren wrote: So what is your degree in, Doo? Upon what do you decide that your guesstimates don't require a review by professionals? Even if you were a professional, most don't feel as threatened as you do with a second opinion. Why don't we give posters the full range of options, instead of just the world according to Doo? Hell, give yourself 2 squirts ;O) Billygoat, You are a fool not worth exchanging a logical arguement with. Sherwin Yes Doo, just a fool who wants more than just a doodoo opinion. A man, or goat for that matter, who dreams of having as many opinions to choose from as he wants, so that he can pick the one best for him. Yes Doo, it's the dawning of a new day, where one, man or goat, is free to breath the fresh air of choice again. Well, it looks like my work here is done, buckaroos. Tune in next time to hear Bill Goat Gruff say."Doo's doodoo looks like Shelly. Is this what they mean by defecation of character? Is it a clue?" See ya. -- - Billy Racial injustice, war, urban blight, and environmental rape have a common denominator in our exploitative economic system.* ~Channing E. Phillips Israeli Settlers Attack Palestinian Land http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
Good chance the local extension office will be at farmer's market next
weekend(they had a booth last time I was there) so I will bring a leaf and ask them then if they're there. And just to forestall any more arguing, I am anti man-made pesticides/fungicides, etc myself. So those who would suggest it can just save some time and NOT do it because I never will. When my mother was pregnant with me, the place we lived at used to be orange orchards/groves in southern California and the ground there was saturated with dioxin/Agent Orange. As a result, I was born with serious health issues. Doctors didn't think I'd even make it a year. Only reason I have is because of NATURAL medicines, and I get to keep taking a handful of them every day for the rest of my life. So don't try and tell me that you can spray as many chemicals as you want and it doesn't hurt anything. |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
Billy wrote:
Well, it looks like my work here is done, buckaroos. Tune in next time to hear Bill Goat Gruff say."Doo's doodoo looks like Shelly. Is this what they mean by defecation of character? Is it a clue?" See ya. If you think you won anything, you are delusional. I'm just tired or arguing with an idiot. Sherwin |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
Lilah Morgan wrote:
Good chance the local extension office will be at farmer's market next weekend(they had a booth last time I was there) so I will bring a leaf and ask them then if they're there. And just to forestall any more arguing, I am anti man-made pesticides/fungicides, etc myself. So those who would suggest it can just save some time and NOT do it because I never will. When my mother was pregnant with me, the place we lived at used to be orange orchards/groves in southern California and the ground there was saturated with dioxin/Agent Orange. As a result, I was born with serious health issues. Doctors didn't think I'd even make it a year. Only reason I have is because of NATURAL medicines, and I get to keep taking a handful of them every day for the rest of my life. So don't try and tell me that you can spray as many chemicals as you want and it doesn't hurt anything. I will bet the bank that they analyze it as apple scab. There are several 'organic' fungicides available, such as copper sulfate. In most locations, you cannot expect to get clean apples without spraying. Right now, my apples are being attacked by apple maggots. I have no choice except to spray unless I want some wormy results. You should be growing something like pears, that are much less subject to insect attacks. There is no telling how chemicals were misused by this former orchard. They could have dumped their excess chemicals on the ground. Normally, chemicals handled properly will not contaminate the ground. Those on the fruits will disintegrate or burn off in the sun after a few weeks. As a precaution, I never spray fruit within three weeks of picking it. If your extension office has an organic way of treating apple scab, I would like to hear about it. I try and minimize my spraying through covering of fruit and various insect traps, so I am not against organic methods, when they are practical and will work. Sherwin |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
You are now killfiled, have a nice day
"sherwin dubren" wrote in message ... I will bet the bank that they analyze it as apple scab. There are several 'organic' fungicides available, such as copper sulfate. In most locations, you cannot expect to get clean apples without spraying. Right now, my apples are being attacked by apple maggots. I have no choice except to spray unless I want some wormy results. You should be growing something like pears, that are much less subject to insect attacks. There is no telling how chemicals were misused by this former orchard. They could have dumped their excess chemicals on the ground. Normally, chemicals handled properly will not contaminate the ground. Those on the fruits will disintegrate or burn off in the sun after a few weeks. As a precaution, I never spray fruit within three weeks of picking it. If your extension office has an organic way of treating apple scab, I would like to hear about it. I try and minimize my spraying through covering of fruit and various insect traps, so I am not against organic methods, when they are practical and will work. Sherwin |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
On Jul 28, 9:21*am, "Lilah Morgan" wrote:
You are now killfiled, have a nice day "sherwin dubren" wrote in message ... * *I will bet the bank that they analyze it as apple scab. * *There are several 'organic' fungicides available, such as copper * *sulfate. * *In most locations, you cannot expect to get clean apples without * *spraying. *Right now, my apples are being attacked by apple maggots. * *I have no choice except to spray unless I want some wormy results. * *You should be growing something like pears, that are much less * *subject to insect attacks. * *There is no telling how chemicals were misused by this former orchard. * *They could have dumped their excess chemicals on the ground. * *Normally, chemicals handled properly will not contaminate the ground. * *Those on the fruits will disintegrate or burn off in the sun after a * *few weeks. *As a precaution, I never spray fruit within three weeks of * *picking it. * *If your extension office has an organic way of treating apple scab, I * *would like to hear about it. *I try and minimize my spraying through * *covering of fruit and various insect traps, so I am not against * *organic methods, when they are practical and will work. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Sherwin- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wow, that was a bit odd. I may not be up to date on the politics here in the group as I am a bit of a lurker rather than a poster. The flaming in this posting seemed to be unnecessary between billy/ sherwin, but I think you just decided to killfile Sherwin for: 1) ...stating that he thinks his analysis of apple scab was right 2) ...asking that you let the group know what the "experts" suggest for an organic solution. Is that accurate? Like others, I am not the type that likes the use of pesticides and herbicides, and would like some natural solutions to these types of problems. So choosing what to spray and when is helpful info for me. I certainly thought sharing what the experts suggest when you see them was a reasonable request. I guess I have not been seeing all the posts in here lately. For my sake though, perhaps you can share the experts analysis and advice? I know at least I would appreciate it. Steve |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
If that's what you want to think, go right ahead. I don't have any
inclination to keep explaining myself over and over again. "steven_nospam at Yahoo! Canada" wrote in message news:7b5f41f4-ca97-4026-be58- Wow, that was a bit odd. I may not be up to date on the politics here in the group as I am a bit of a lurker rather than a poster. The flaming in this posting seemed to be unnecessary between billy/ sherwin, but I think you just decided to killfile Sherwin for: 1) ...stating that he thinks his analysis of apple scab was right 2) ...asking that you let the group know what the "experts" suggest for an organic solution. Is that accurate? Like others, I am not the type that likes the use of pesticides and herbicides, and would like some natural solutions to these types of problems. So choosing what to spray and when is helpful info for me. I certainly thought sharing what the experts suggest when you see them was a reasonable request. I guess I have not been seeing all the posts in here lately. For my sake though, perhaps you can share the experts analysis and advice? I know at least I would appreciate it. Steve |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
On Jul 28, 4:06 pm, "Lilah Morgan" wrote:
If that's what you want to think, go right ahead. I don't have any inclination to keep explaining myself over and over again. Explaining yourself over and over again? You posted one response before deciding to killfile someone asking you to just keep us all up to date on what gives with your apple trees! My first thought was that I missed something or perhaps you overreacted. But you are right, I'll go ahead and "think" what I want based on the curt and rude response I received for asking. I could care less if you killfile someone. I was just curious to know what resolves your problem (or at least what is suggested) as I live in a prime apple growing region. God bless. |
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steven_nospam at Yahoo! Canada wrote:
On Jul 28, 9:21*am, "Lilah Morgan" wrote: You are now killfiled, have a nice day Wow, that was a bit odd. I may not be up to date on the politics here in the group as I am a bit of a lurker rather than a poster. The flaming in this posting seemed to be unnecessary between billy/ sherwin, but I think you just decided to killfile Sherwin for: 1) ...stating that he thinks his analysis of apple scab was right 2) ...asking that you let the group know what the "experts" suggest for an organic solution. Is that accurate? So it wasn't just me that was confused? That's good. I couldn't what her problem was. Brian -- Day 176 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
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sherwin dubren wrote: Billy wrote: Well, it looks like my work here is done, buckaroos. Tune in next time to hear Bill Goat Gruff say."Doo's doodoo looks like Shelly. Is this what they mean by defecation of character? Is it a clue?" See ya. If you think you won anything, you are delusional. I'm just tired or arguing with an idiot. Sherwin Just doing that doo, Doo that you do so well? No one said you are wrong. 'Course no expert has said that you are right. The pivotal issue here was having a selection of opinions from which to chose. When we respond, we either offer our experience, our hunches, or some algorithm to solve the question (like ask a local expert). Let's take a little walk down memory lane. Master Gardener's Program in Klamath Falls (Lilah lives in Klamath County) 883-7131, http://oregonstate.edu/dept/kbrec/ - Billy Here we go again with Billy's sending people off to the Universities and Extension Centers. This may work for him, since his knowledge of fruit trees is very limited. Notice Billy does this kind of shuffling people off on fruit issues, but not on vegetable gardening where supposedly he has more knowledge. Sherwin You seem to think that there is only one way to answer a question, your way. Good luck, Billy, you don't seem to have any suggestions. You probably wouldn't know a fruit tree from a fire plug. Sherwin And what has that to do with solving Lilah's problem? Do you see a problem with seeking local help, doo? -- - Billy Billy wrote: And your problem with seeking local, expert advice is . . . ? Maybe if you gave yourself a good squirt of Imidan, you'd feel better doo ;O) Billygoat, If I think I have an answer to a problem, I don't send people running off to seek further help. The original poster was very clear in describing the symptoms and even sent a very clear picture of the malady. There was no question in my mind that the problem is apple scab. Why bother having a forum. Just build in a standard reply to all poster problems to take it elsewhere to their local experts. If nobody in this group had an inkling to an identification, sure it might require a hands on examination, but that is not the case here. [So you had a inkling, end of discussion?] . . . As for spraying, what do you propose to fix this problem, if it is indeed apple scab. Maybe some organic fairy dust? Why the attitude when in the next line you mention copper sulfate? But the real question is, what do you spray, if you do, when you still haven't conclusively identified the problem? Why spend money, until you know what you are doing? You have made this whole discussion a referendum on your authority, not on providing Lilah with means for solving the problem that she is having with her apples. If you act like a fool Doo. People will treat you as one. If indeed the problem is apple scab, and the method used to combat it is copper sulfate, it will not reflect well on you, and how you chose to limit her choices. Even you have admitted, that you await the decision of the authorities on the matter. That's what happens when you are 3,000 mi. away. -- - Billy Racial injustice, war, urban blight, and environmental rape have a common denominator in our exploitative economic system.* ~Channing E. Phillips Israeli Settlers Attack Palestinian Land http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
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, "steven_nospam at Yahoo! Canada" wrote: On Jul 28, 9:21*am, "Lilah Morgan" wrote: You are now killfiled, have a nice day "sherwin dubren" wrote in message ... * *I will bet the bank that they analyze it as apple scab. * *There are several 'organic' fungicides available, such as copper * *sulfate. * *In most locations, you cannot expect to get clean apples without * *spraying. *Right now, my apples are being attacked by apple maggots. * *I have no choice except to spray unless I want some wormy results. * *You should be growing something like pears, that are much less * *subject to insect attacks. * *There is no telling how chemicals were misused by this former orchard. * *They could have dumped their excess chemicals on the ground. * *Normally, chemicals handled properly will not contaminate the ground. * *Those on the fruits will disintegrate or burn off in the sun after a * *few weeks. *As a precaution, I never spray fruit within three weeks of * *picking it. * *If your extension office has an organic way of treating apple scab, I * *would like to hear about it. *I try and minimize my spraying through * *covering of fruit and various insect traps, so I am not against * *organic methods, when they are practical and will work. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Sherwin- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wow, that was a bit odd. I may not be up to date on the politics here in the group as I am a bit of a lurker rather than a poster. The flaming in this posting seemed to be unnecessary between billy/ sherwin, but I think you just decided to killfile Sherwin for: 1) ...stating that he thinks his analysis of apple scab was right 2) ...asking that you let the group know what the "experts" suggest for an organic solution. Is that accurate? Like others, I am not the type that likes the use of pesticides and herbicides, and would like some natural solutions to these types of problems. So choosing what to spray and when is helpful info for me. I certainly thought sharing what the experts suggest when you see them was a reasonable request. I guess I have not been seeing all the posts in here lately. For my sake though, perhaps you can share the experts analysis and advice? I know at least I would appreciate it. Steve What ever Lilah's reasons, they are no concern of ours, or do you deem yourself the great decider? As you say, you may not be up to date on Doo's passion for the most caustic of pesticides. No, he is not a total fool, but in his past postings, he has shown no concern for the environment beyond the fig leaf of cost analysis. His concern about the diagnosis of apple scab went beyond diagnosis, he had decided that no other opinion was needed, once he had stated the obvious (to him). True the pictures of apple scab were similar, but not exactly the same. So why would he complain about a second opinion? Hubris. We of wrecked gardens aren't here to ask why, but to answer as best we know. I would say that your two presumptions were wide of the mark (my opinion). It is more of the reaction you might have when a bum comes up to you and says, "Why don't you give me your money?" It's more revulsion at the way he does it, than a reaction to what he does. I suspect that Doo is a commercial grower, and doesn't care if there is poison on his fruit, as long as it looks good. I'd be surprised, if she gave you an answer because of the way you characterized her, but I've been wrong before. Good luck. -- - Billy Racial injustice, war, urban blight, and environmental rape have a common denominator in our exploitative economic system.* ~Channing E. Phillips Israeli Settlers Attack Palestinian Land http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
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"Default User" wrote: steven_nospam at Yahoo! Canada wrote: On Jul 28, 9:21*am, "Lilah Morgan" wrote: You are now killfiled, have a nice day Wow, that was a bit odd. I may not be up to date on the politics here in the group as I am a bit of a lurker rather than a poster. The flaming in this posting seemed to be unnecessary between billy/ sherwin, but I think you just decided to killfile Sherwin for: 1) ...stating that he thinks his analysis of apple scab was right 2) ...asking that you let the group know what the "experts" suggest for an organic solution. Is that accurate? So it wasn't just me that was confused? That's good. I couldn't what her problem was. Is that her fault, or your fault? Brian -- - Billy Racial injustice, war, urban blight, and environmental rape have a common denominator in our exploitative economic system.* ~Channing E. Phillips Israeli Settlers Attack Palestinian Land http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
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, "steven_nospam at Yahoo! Canada" wrote: On Jul 28, 4:06 pm, "Lilah Morgan" wrote: If that's what you want to think, go right ahead. I don't have any inclination to keep explaining myself over and over again. Explaining yourself over and over again? You posted one response before deciding to killfile someone asking you to just keep us all up to date on what gives with your apple trees! My first thought was that I missed something or perhaps you overreacted. But you are right, I'll go ahead and "think" what I want based on the curt and rude response I received for asking. I could care less if you killfile someone. I was just curious to know what resolves your problem (or at least what is suggested) as I live in a prime apple growing region. God bless. You are new here, aren't you? One suggestion, stop digging. -- - Billy Racial injustice, war, urban blight, and environmental rape have a common denominator in our exploitative economic system.* ~Channing E. Phillips Israeli Settlers Attack Palestinian Land http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 http://i2.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/headlines#7 |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
Billy wrote:
In article , "Default User" wrote: So it wasn't just me that was confused? That's good. I couldn't what her problem was. Is that her fault, or your fault? I don't know. That's why I'm confused. Brian -- Day 177 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
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"Default User" wrote: Billy wrote: In article , "Default User" wrote: So it wasn't just me that was confused? That's good. I couldn't what her problem was. Is that her fault, or your fault? I don't know. That's why I'm confused. Brian You mean you don't know what your problem is?;O) |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
William Rose wrote:
In article , "Default User" wrote: Billy wrote: In article , "Default User" wrote: So it wasn't just me that was confused? That's good. I couldn't what her problem was. Is that her fault, or your fault? I don't know. That's why I'm confused. You mean you don't know what your problem is?;O) Ah, if only. Brian -- Day 177 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
Lilah Morgan wrote:
You are now killfiled, have a nice day Next time, let us know that you are an organic grower, so I will not waste my time telling you how to grow apples. You should be growing pears, peaches, etc., which are easier to grow organically. Sherwin |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
steven_nospam at Yahoo! Canada wrote:
Wow, that was a bit odd. I may not be up to date on the politics here in the group as I am a bit of a lurker rather than a poster. The flaming in this posting seemed to be unnecessary between billy/ sherwin, but I think you just decided to killfile Sherwin for: 1) ...stating that he thinks his analysis of apple scab was right 2) ...asking that you let the group know what the "experts" suggest for an organic solution. Is that accurate? Like others, I am not the type that likes the use of pesticides and herbicides, and would like some natural solutions to these types of problems. So choosing what to spray and when is helpful info for me. I certainly thought sharing what the experts suggest when you see them was a reasonable request. I guess I have not been seeing all the posts in here lately. For my sake though, perhaps you can share the experts analysis and advice? I know at least I would appreciate it. Steve Steve, You have to understand the history of the exchanges between Billy and myself. He is very closed minded about spraying, and vilifies me for doing so. I think his post about going to an extension office was kind of a slap at me as being not qualified to interpret the original poster's issue, even though she posted a nice picture of her attacked tree. I have been growing fruit for over 20 years, and enjoy the knowledge gained in that, plus that I have acquired through my fruit growing club. Most of them would concurs with me that people should not be growing apples. if they are organic, unless they take extraordinary measures like covering each apple with a bag, or worse yet, allowing a good portion of their fruit to get wormy. Yesterday, I discarded about 80 percent of my Lubsk Queen Apples because I didn't spray often enough and had no time to cover them. Sure, people can go to their extension office, etc., for more advice, but why post on this forum. We can just tell every one that if you have a plant problem, take it to the experts. My personal experience with extension services, botanic gardens, etc.,is that most of them have no experience or knowledge of how to take care of fruit trees. I felt my diagnosis was good enough, but Billy had to put in his two cents worth. Why bother with this obvious alternative. Sherwin |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
Billy wrote:
One suggestion, stop digging. Yes, and don't forget, this is Billy's territory. You don't mess with him and his church of the organics. Sherwin |
What's wrong with my apple tree?
Steve wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:11:03 -0700, Billy wrote: I suspect that Doo is a commercial grower I doubt it. Right, I am a backyard orchardist with about 20 trees. Billy thinks that I am going to poison the world from my backyard. He probably drives a pollution machine, heats his home with a furnace producing hydrocarbons, etc.,etc. In short, he is a fanatic, out to save the world. If you see someone flying around with a big 'O' on his chest, it's Billy, Organic Man. Sherwin |
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