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Frank 22-01-2010 11:29 PM

Crichton on global warming skepticism
 
http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html

AZ Nomad[_3_] 23-01-2010 12:04 AM

Crichton on global warming skepticism
 
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:29:31 -0500, Frank wrote:
http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html


he is uneducated on the subject.

David Hare-Scott[_2_] 23-01-2010 01:57 AM

Crichton on global warming skepticism
 
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:29:31 -0500, Frank
wrote:
http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html


he is uneducated on the subject.


His version of climate change is like the Dan Brown (Da Vinci Code) version
of Christian church history and for the same reasons, it sells books, gets
you interviewed, invited to be guest speaker etc etc.

David


AZ Nomad[_3_] 23-01-2010 02:36 AM

Crichton on global warming skepticism
 
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:57:41 +1100, David Hare-Scott wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:29:31 -0500, Frank
wrote:
http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html


he is uneducated on the subject.


His version of climate change is like the Dan Brown (Da Vinci Code) version
of Christian church history and for the same reasons, it sells books, gets
you interviewed, invited to be guest speaker etc etc.


He should publish a research paper. Should be a good laugh.


phorbin 23-01-2010 03:23 AM

Crichton on global warming skepticism
 
In article ,
says...
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:57:41 +1100, David Hare-Scott wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:29:31 -0500, Frank
wrote:
http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html

he is uneducated on the subject.


His version of climate change is like the Dan Brown (Da Vinci Code) version
of Christian church history and for the same reasons, it sells books, gets
you interviewed, invited to be guest speaker etc etc.


He should publish a research paper. Should be a good laugh.



IIRC he died last year and won't have to see his grandkids go through
any of this

Frank 23-01-2010 12:40 PM

equal time to you guy's God
 
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

David Hare-Scott[_2_] 23-01-2010 09:14 PM

equal time to you guy's God
 
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html


You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David


Wildbilly 24-01-2010 01:54 AM

Crichton on global warming skepticism
 
In article ,
Frank wrote:

http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html


Good for you, Frank, a real citation.
If you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy
then, maybe, we can have a conversation.

Does not knowing the values of the variable in the equation N=N*fp ne fl
fi fc fL change its' veracity?

If species that we know are going extinct, why wouldn't species of which
we are unaware, not going extinct?

Whether you numb your brain on my cite or not, we still are left with
the choices of (1) acting against greenhouse gas emissions (and look
silly if "global warming' isn't happening), or (2) not acting against
greenhouse gas emissions (causing unprecedented death and destruction
around the world).

Tell me, Frank, which bet would you prefer to lose?
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...ting_activists
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines

zxcvbob 24-01-2010 02:01 AM

Climate Change bleevers
 
On 1/23/2010 3:14 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html


You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David



The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has been caught with its
pants down again, this time with bogus claims about the Himalayan
glaciers. R. K. Pachauri has admitted the claims were false, but
somehow this "only strengthened the credibility" of the IPCC.

Best regards,
Bob

Wildbilly 24-01-2010 02:14 AM

equal time to you guy's God
 
In article ,
Frank wrote:

http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html


So much for an honest intellectual discussion. Why let facts get in the
way, eh, Frank, when you can use ad hominem attacks? Visiting one's
wrath upon the messenger is soooo traditional, Frank.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2/15/AR2008021
502901.html?hpid%3Dopinionsbox1&sub=AR

washingtonpost.com Opinions Outlook
The Dumbing Of America
Call Me a Snob, but Really, We're a Nation of Dunces
By Susan Jacoby
Sunday, February 17, 2008; Page B01

"The mind of this country, taught to aim at low objects, eats upon
itself." Ralph Waldo Emerson offered that observation in 1837, but his
words echo with painful prescience in today's very different United
States. Americans are in serious intellectual trouble -- in danger of
losing our hard-won cultural capital to a virulent mixture of
anti-intellectualism, anti-rationalism and low expectations.

. . . the third and final factor behind the new American dumbness: not
lack of knowledge per se but arrogance about that lack of knowledge. The
problem is not just the things we do not know (consider the one in five
American adults who, according to the National Science Foundation,
thinks the sun revolves around the Earth); it's the alarming number of
Americans who have smugly concluded that they do not need to know such
things in the first place. Call this anti-rationalism -- a syndrome that
is particularly dangerous to our public institutions and discourse. Not
knowing a foreign language or the location of an important country is a
manifestation of ignorance; denying that such knowledge matters is pure
anti-rationalism. The toxic brew of anti-rationalism and ignorance hurts
discussions of U.S. public policy on topics from health care to taxation.

There is no quick cure for this epidemic of arrogant anti-rationalism
and anti-intellectualism; rote efforts to raise standardized test scores
by stuffing students with specific answers to specific questions on
specific tests will not do the job. Moreover, the people who exemplify
the problem are usually oblivious to it. ("Hardly anyone believes
himself to be against thought and culture," Hofstadter noted.) It is
past time for a serious national discussion about whether, as a nation,
we truly value intellect and rationality. If this indeed turns out to be
a "change election," THE LOW LEVEL OF DISCOURSE IN A COUNTRY WITH A MIND
TAUGHT TO AIM AT LOW OBJECTS OUGHT TO BE THE FIRST ITEM ON THE CHANGE
AGENDA (capitals mine).
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...ting_activists
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines

AZ Nomad[_3_] 24-01-2010 02:33 AM

Climate Change bleevers
 
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:01:07 -0600, zxcvbob wrote:
On 1/23/2010 3:14 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html


You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David



The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has been caught with its
pants down again, this time with bogus claims about the Himalayan
glaciers. R. K. Pachauri has admitted the claims were false, but
somehow this "only strengthened the credibility" of the IPCC.


You can find bullshit in any science. However, it is irrelevent
as it'll be discredited. This is really basic stuff.

Wildbilly 24-01-2010 04:28 AM

Climate Change bleevers
 
In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:

On 1/23/2010 3:14 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html


You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David



The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has been caught with its
pants down again, this time with bogus claims about the Himalayan
glaciers. R. K. Pachauri has admitted the claims were false, but
somehow this "only strengthened the credibility" of the IPCC.

Best regards,
Bob


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/21/sc...Envirobrf.html

Regret on Himalayan Glaciers Estimate

By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL
Published: January 20, 2010
An international scientific panel overseen by the United Nations
expressed "regret" on Wednesday for publishing an unsupported estimate
of the speed at which Himalayan glaciers were melting. The estimate,
included in a landmark 2007 report by the group, the Intergovernmental
Panel on Climate Change, said that the glaciers in the Himalayas could
disappear by 2035. The figure was culled from a dated magazine interview
with an Indian glacier scientist who now denies that he used that
number. Although there is abundant evidence that glaciers are
retreating, scientists differ on the speed of that trend and which
glaciers will be affected.
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...ting_activists
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines

Wildbilly 24-01-2010 04:32 AM

Climate Change bleevers
 
In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:

On 1/23/2010 3:14 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html


You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David



The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has been caught with its
pants down again, this time with bogus claims about the Himalayan
glaciers. R. K. Pachauri has admitted the claims were false, but
somehow this "only strengthened the credibility" of the IPCC.

Best regards,
Bob


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...layan-glaciers
-mistake
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...ting_activists
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines

aluckyguess 24-01-2010 04:42 AM

equal time to you guy's God
 


"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html


You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David


What evidence?


aluckyguess 24-01-2010 05:07 AM

Crichton on global warming skepticism
 


"Wildbilly" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Frank wrote:

http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html


Good for you, Frank, a real citation.
If you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy
then, maybe, we can have a conversation.

Does not knowing the values of the variable in the equation N=N*fp ne fl
fi fc fL change its' veracity?

If species that we know are going extinct, why wouldn't species of which
we are unaware, not going extinct?

Whether you numb your brain on my cite or not, we still are left with
the choices of (1) acting against greenhouse gas emissions (and look
silly if "global warming' isn't happening), or (2) not acting against
greenhouse gas emissions (causing unprecedented death and destruction
around the world).

Tell me, Frank, which bet would you prefer to lose?


--


If the earth was cooling (as thought in the 70's and 80's) would you be
trying to burn more fossils fuels?
A slight warming is actually a good thing,(natural occurrence) it gives
more land to grow things that are needed for an expanding population.
In the next 100 years technology will completely change everything as we
know it.
Make believe greenhouse gas emissions isn't going to cause unprecedented
death and destruction.


Wildbilly 24-01-2010 05:41 AM

equal time to you guy's God
 
In article ,
"aluckyguess" wrote:

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html


You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David


What evidence?


You're just playing dumb, right?
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...ting_activists
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines

Wildbilly 24-01-2010 06:17 AM

Crichton on global warming skepticism
 
In article ,
"aluckyguess" wrote:

"Wildbilly" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Frank wrote:

http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html


Good for you, Frank, a real citation.
If you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy
then, maybe, we can have a conversation.

Does not knowing the values of the variable in the equation N=N*fp ne fl
fi fc fL change its' veracity?

If species that we know are going extinct, why wouldn't species of which
we are unaware, not going extinct?

Whether you numb your brain on my cite or not, we still are left with
the choices of (1) acting against greenhouse gas emissions (and look
silly if "global warming' isn't happening), or (2) not acting against
greenhouse gas emissions (causing unprecedented death and destruction
around the world).

Tell me, Frank, which bet would you prefer to lose?


--


If the earth was cooling (as thought in the 70's and 80's) would you be
trying to burn more fossils fuels?
A slight warming is actually a good thing,(natural occurrence) it gives
more land to grow things that are needed for an expanding population.
In the next 100 years technology will completely change everything as we
know it.
Make believe greenhouse gas emissions isn't going to cause unprecedented
death and destruction.


http://www.caenvirothon.com/Resource...obal%20scale%2
0temp%20patterns.pdf

http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html

http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/...Print_Ch06.pdf

Who you gonna believe? A science fiction writer that lives on publicity,
or some nondescript scientists, that tells it the way that they sees it?

Again, the worst case scenarios:
(1) Spend what little money that we have left to suppress greenhouse
gases, and risk derision for being gullible fools, or

(2) Do nothing to prevent the misery and death that "global warming"
will bring.

Nobody has a financial gain, but there could be some financial loses for
those that use fossil fuels.
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...ting_activists
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines

David Hare-Scott[_2_] 24-01-2010 07:49 AM

equal time to you guy's God
 
aluckyguess wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html


You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David


What evidence?


You are not serious (unless you are claiming to be a home-schooled 14 year
old) so this doesn't warrant a reply.

David


David Hare-Scott[_2_] 24-01-2010 07:51 AM

Crichton on global warming skepticism
 
Wildbilly wrote:
In article ,
"aluckyguess" wrote:

"Wildbilly" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Frank wrote:

http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html

Good for you, Frank, a real citation.
If you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy
then, maybe, we can have a conversation.

Does not knowing the values of the variable in the equation N=N*fp
ne fl fi fc fL change its' veracity?

If species that we know are going extinct, why wouldn't species of
which we are unaware, not going extinct?

Whether you numb your brain on my cite or not, we still are left
with the choices of (1) acting against greenhouse gas emissions
(and look silly if "global warming' isn't happening), or (2) not
acting against greenhouse gas emissions (causing unprecedented
death and destruction around the world).

Tell me, Frank, which bet would you prefer to lose?


--


If the earth was cooling (as thought in the 70's and 80's) would you
be trying to burn more fossils fuels?
A slight warming is actually a good thing,(natural occurrence) it
gives more land to grow things that are needed for an expanding
population. In the next 100 years technology will completely change
everything as we know it.
Make believe greenhouse gas emissions isn't going to cause
unprecedented death and destruction.


http://www.caenvirothon.com/Resource...obal%20scale%2
0temp%20patterns.pdf

http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html

http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/...Print_Ch06.pdf

Who you gonna believe? A science fiction writer that lives on
publicity, or some nondescript scientists, that tells it the way that
they sees it?

Again, the worst case scenarios:
(1) Spend what little money that we have left to suppress greenhouse
gases, and risk derision for being gullible fools, or

(2) Do nothing to prevent the misery and death that "global warming"
will bring.

Nobody has a financial gain, but there could be some financial loses
for those that use fossil fuels.


He is yanking your chain.

David


AZ Nomad[_3_] 24-01-2010 03:11 PM

equal time to you guy's God
 
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:41:37 -0800, Wildbilly wrote:
In article ,
"aluckyguess" wrote:


"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David


What evidence?


You're just playing dumb, right?


No. Religions have no evidence whatsoever. Most are circular:
bible says god exists; bible is word of god; god said so, etc.
That isn't evidence. Lots of people believing something isn't
evidence. Feelings of someting aren't evidence.

AZ Nomad[_3_] 24-01-2010 03:11 PM

equal time to you guy's God
 
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:49:20 +1100, David Hare-Scott wrote:
aluckyguess wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David


What evidence?


You are not serious (unless you are claiming to be a home-schooled 14 year
old) so this doesn't warrant a reply.


David


Because you have no evidence.

Wildbilly 24-01-2010 05:13 PM

Crichton on global warming skepticism
 
In article ,
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:

Wildbilly wrote:
In article ,
"aluckyguess" wrote:

"Wildbilly" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Frank wrote:

http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html

Good for you, Frank, a real citation.
If you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy
then, maybe, we can have a conversation.

Does not knowing the values of the variable in the equation N=N*fp
ne fl fi fc fL change its' veracity?

If species that we know are going extinct, why wouldn't species of
which we are unaware, not going extinct?

Whether you numb your brain on my cite or not, we still are left
with the choices of (1) acting against greenhouse gas emissions
(and look silly if "global warming' isn't happening), or (2) not
acting against greenhouse gas emissions (causing unprecedented
death and destruction around the world).

Tell me, Frank, which bet would you prefer to lose?

--

If the earth was cooling (as thought in the 70's and 80's) would you
be trying to burn more fossils fuels?
A slight warming is actually a good thing,(natural occurrence) it
gives more land to grow things that are needed for an expanding
population. In the next 100 years technology will completely change
everything as we know it.
Make believe greenhouse gas emissions isn't going to cause
unprecedented death and destruction.


http://www.caenvirothon.com/Resource...obal%20scale%2
0temp%20patterns.pdf

http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html

http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/...Print_Ch06.pdf

Who you gonna believe? A science fiction writer that lives on
publicity, or some nondescript scientists, that tells it the way that
they sees it?

Again, the worst case scenarios:
(1) Spend what little money that we have left to suppress greenhouse
gases, and risk derision for being gullible fools, or

(2) Do nothing to prevent the misery and death that "global warming"
will bring.

Nobody has a financial gain, but there could be some financial loses
for those that use fossil fuels.


He is yanking your chain.

David


Possibly, or he could be a corporate stooge, or just dumb.

On the gardening front, my two stevia plants that survived over winter
last year under two 24" T5 florescent lights, are thriving under 4 48"
T5s this year.

Hoping to start geminating spinach, kale, Swiss chard, and peas this
week. When May gets here I want to have some large plants to put in the
ground.

I've mulched the beds (a little over 600 sq. ft.) and sown rye and
buckwheat, which will get cut and covered over with a fresh layer of
alfalfa (lucern), two weeks before planting.

How's your garden coming along this year? Is your water holding up?
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...ting_activists
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines

David Hare-Scott[_2_] 24-01-2010 09:42 PM

equal time to you guy's God
 
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:49:20 +1100, David Hare-Scott
wrote:
aluckyguess wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David

What evidence?


You are not serious (unless you are claiming to be a home-schooled
14 year old) so this doesn't warrant a reply.


David


Because you have no evidence.


Not at all but I am not going to start in with a 500 pages book. My reply
was about the method of forming your views and understanding not about the
evidence itself. The Buddha/Gore joke suggests that the matter is
religious - I was saying that it shouldn't be.

David


AZ Nomad[_3_] 24-01-2010 11:38 PM

equal time to you guy's God
 
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:42:26 +1100, David Hare-Scott wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:49:20 +1100, David Hare-Scott
wrote:
aluckyguess wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David

What evidence?


You are not serious (unless you are claiming to be a home-schooled
14 year old) so this doesn't warrant a reply.


David


Because you have no evidence.


Not at all but I am not going to start in with a 500 pages book. My reply
was about the method of forming your views and understanding not about the
evidence itself. The Buddha/Gore joke suggests that the matter is
religious - I was saying that it shouldn't be.


David


In other words, you have no evidence.

Wildbilly 25-01-2010 12:29 AM

equal time to you guy's God
 
In article ,
AZ Nomad wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:42:26 +1100, David Hare-Scott
wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:49:20 +1100, David Hare-Scott
wrote:
aluckyguess wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David

What evidence?

You are not serious (unless you are claiming to be a home-schooled
14 year old) so this doesn't warrant a reply.

David

Because you have no evidence.


Not at all but I am not going to start in with a 500 pages book. My reply
was about the method of forming your views and understanding not about the
evidence itself. The Buddha/Gore joke suggests that the matter is
religious - I was saying that it shouldn't be.


David


In other words, you have no evidence.


By your standards, neither do you. The facts are in dispute, however the
preponderance of scientist agree that it appears that the planet is
warming (at least in part) because of our use of fossil fuels, and the
large herds of cattle being raised for human consumption(methane).
Whatever the cause, more methane is being released as the arctic tundra
warms up, which will only accelerate global warming. If the oceans warm
a bit more, frozen methane anhydride will be released, and global
warming will accelerate again.

OK, this is speculation from some of the world's best minds. They could
be wrong, but, then again, they could be right. It seems that the wise
man, given a choice of looking foolish or dead, would pick foolish. Or
do you suggest that we hunker down like ol' Harry Truman did when
ordered to evacuate the region around Mt. St. Helens?

Why do you wish to put humanity in harm's way, without proof?
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...ting_activists
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines

Glenn Lynn 25-01-2010 12:40 AM

equal time to you guy's God
 
This is way off topic and is getting boring. Let's just drop it!

Glenn Lynn

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:42:26 +1100, "David Hare-Scott"
wrote:

AZ Nomad wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:49:20 +1100, David Hare-Scott
wrote:
aluckyguess wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David

What evidence?


You are not serious (unless you are claiming to be a home-schooled
14 year old) so this doesn't warrant a reply.


David


Because you have no evidence.


Not at all but I am not going to start in with a 500 pages book. My reply
was about the method of forming your views and understanding not about the
evidence itself. The Buddha/Gore joke suggests that the matter is
religious - I was saying that it shouldn't be.

David


David Hare-Scott[_2_] 25-01-2010 12:59 AM

equal time to you guy's God
 
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:42:26 +1100, David Hare-Scott
wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:49:20 +1100, David Hare-Scott
wrote:
aluckyguess wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure
that matters - it is the evidence.

David

What evidence?

You are not serious (unless you are claiming to be a home-schooled
14 year old) so this doesn't warrant a reply.

David

Because you have no evidence.


Not at all but I am not going to start in with a 500 pages book. My
reply was about the method of forming your views and understanding
not about the evidence itself. The Buddha/Gore joke suggests that
the matter is religious - I was saying that it shouldn't be.


David


In other words, you have no evidence.


Too thick to understand too proud to give up.

David

David Hare-Scott[_2_] 25-01-2010 01:00 AM

equal time to you guy's God
 
Glenn Lynn wrote:
This is way off topic and is getting boring. Let's just drop it!

Glenn Lynn



You are right.

David

AZ Nomad[_3_] 25-01-2010 01:13 AM

equal time to you guy's God
 
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:29:58 -0800, Wildbilly wrote:
In article ,
AZ Nomad wrote:


On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:42:26 +1100, David Hare-Scott
wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:49:20 +1100, David Hare-Scott
wrote:
aluckyguess wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David

What evidence?

You are not serious (unless you are claiming to be a home-schooled
14 year old) so this doesn't warrant a reply.

David

Because you have no evidence.


Not at all but I am not going to start in with a 500 pages book. My reply
was about the method of forming your views and understanding not about the
evidence itself. The Buddha/Gore joke suggests that the matter is
religious - I was saying that it shouldn't be.


David


In other words, you have no evidence.


By your standards, neither do you. The facts are in dispute, however the
preponderance of scientist agree that it appears that the planet is


maybe I misfollowed the thread. I thought somebody was making a
claim that god or gods exist.

phorbin 25-01-2010 05:15 AM

equal time to you guy's God
 
In article ,
says...

By your standards, neither do you. The facts are in dispute, however the
preponderance of scientist agree that it appears that the planet is


maybe I misfollowed the thread. I thought somebody was making a
claim that god or gods exist.


The thread is about global warming.

Frank threw a rather dumb monkey wrench into the mechanism by changing
the subject line and posting a link to

http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html --an irrelevancy and in context, I
think an ad hominem.

I've stayed out of the mix to this point because I believe the small fry
AGW chiquitita pequeño tiranitos require no answer that absorbs more
than a moment of my time.

Generally I think AGW types have no instinct for the opportunity
embedded in an wholistic response to global warming.

Frank 25-01-2010 02:35 PM

equal time to you guy's God
 
On Jan 25, 12:15*am, phorbin wrote:
In article ,
says...

By your standards, neither do you. The facts are in dispute, however the
preponderance of scientist agree that it appears that the planet is


maybe I misfollowed the thread. *I thought somebody was making a
claim that god or gods exist.


The thread is about global warming.

Frank threw a rather dumb monkey wrench into the mechanism by changing
the subject line and posting a link to

http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html--an irrelevancy and in context, I
think an ad hominem.

I've stayed out of the mix to this point because I believe the small fry
AGW chiquitita pequeño tiranitos require no answer that absorbs more
than a moment of my time.

Generally I think AGW types have no instinct for the opportunity
embedded in an wholistic response to global warming.


Not sure I should continue thread but its raining today.
Originally I was giving reference to Crichton and from responses to
post was getting answers from a crowd that threats global warming as a
religion, thus the Gore Budda post. Go back and read Crichton.
Many years ago, I read "Earth in the Balance" and it was perfectly
obvious where Gore was going.
It's a political tome, not technical. As someone pointed out recently
in C&E News, the science is good but the politics are bad.

Part_No 26-01-2010 03:43 PM

Crichton on global warming skepticism
 
AZ Nomad wrote in
:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:29:31 -0500, Frank
wrote:
http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html


he is uneducated on the subject.


You would have to be educated in the subject to come to your simple
statement "he is uneducated on the subject."

Can you explain you own theory? If you have one!

I doubt you can even understand the subject...get a life

AZ Nomad[_3_] 26-01-2010 04:39 PM

Crichton on global warming skepticism
 
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:43:27 GMT, Part_No wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote in
:


On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:29:31 -0500, Frank
wrote:
http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html


he is uneducated on the subject.


You would have to be educated in the subject to come to your simple
statement "he is uneducated on the subject."


Can you explain you own theory? If you have one!


I doubt you can even understand the subject...get a life


I'm going to ignore your ad hominem.

You suggest that crighton is educated about the subject. Please tell
us about his credentials.

Frank 27-01-2010 01:31 PM

Crichton on global warming skepticism
 
On Jan 26, 11:39*am, AZ Nomad wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:43:27 GMT, Part_No wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote in
:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:29:31 -0500, Frank
wrote:
http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html


he is uneducated on the subject. *


You would have to be educated in the subject to come to your simple
statement "he is uneducated on the subject."
Can you explain you own theory? If you have one!
I doubt you can even understand the subject...get a life


I'm going to ignore your ad hominem. *

You suggest that crighton is educated about the subject. *Please tell
us about his credentials.


Crichton, of course was educated as an MD and you can call this
science as he evaluated facts with a critical eye. His "State of
Fear" while fiction has, I believe, a couple of hundred references to
global warming studies.
GW was not intent of book but he arrived at his conclusions from his
in depth research for the book.


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