http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:29:31 -0500, Frank wrote:
http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html

he is uneducated on the subject.

AZ Nomad wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:29:31 -0500, Frank
wrote:
http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html

he is uneducated on the subject.

His version of climate change is like the Dan Brown (Da Vinci Code) version
of Christian church history and for the same reasons, it sells books, gets
you interviewed, invited to be guest speaker etc etc.

David

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:57:41 +1100, David Hare-Scott wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:29:31 -0500, Frank
wrote:
http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html

he is uneducated on the subject.

His version of climate change is like the Dan Brown (Da Vinci Code) version
of Christian church history and for the same reasons, it sells books, gets
you interviewed, invited to be guest speaker etc etc.

He should publish a research paper. Should be a good laugh.

In article ,
says...
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:57:41 +1100, David Hare-Scott wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:29:31 -0500, Frank
wrote:
http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html

he is uneducated on the subject.

His version of climate change is like the Dan Brown (Da Vinci Code) version
of Christian church history and for the same reasons, it sells books, gets
you interviewed, invited to be guest speaker etc etc.

He should publish a research paper. Should be a good laugh.


IIRC he died last year and won't have to see his grandkids go through
any of this

http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David

In article ,
Frank wrote:

http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html

Good for you, Frank, a real citation.
If you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy
then, maybe, we can have a conversation.

Does not knowing the values of the variable in the equation N=N*fp ne fl
fi fc fL change its' veracity?

If species that we know are going extinct, why wouldn't species of which
we are unaware, not going extinct?

Whether you numb your brain on my cite or not, we still are left with
the choices of (1) acting against greenhouse gas emissions (and look
silly if "global warming' isn't happening), or (2) not acting against
greenhouse gas emissions (causing unprecedented death and destruction
around the world).

Tell me, Frank, which bet would you prefer to lose?
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...ting_activists
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines

On 1/23/2010 3:14 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David


The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has been caught with its
pants down again, this time with bogus claims about the Himalayan
glaciers. R. K. Pachauri has admitted the claims were false, but
somehow this "only strengthened the credibility" of the IPCC.

Best regards,
Bob

In article ,
Frank wrote:

http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

So much for an honest intellectual discussion. Why let facts get in the
way, eh, Frank, when you can use ad hominem attacks? Visiting one's
wrath upon the messenger is soooo traditional, Frank.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2/15/AR2008021
502901.html?hpid%3Dopinionsbox1&sub=AR

washingtonpost.com Opinions Outlook
The Dumbing Of America
Call Me a Snob, but Really, We're a Nation of Dunces
By Susan Jacoby
Sunday, February 17, 2008; Page B01

"The mind of this country, taught to aim at low objects, eats upon
itself." Ralph Waldo Emerson offered that observation in 1837, but his
words echo with painful prescience in today's very different United
States. Americans are in serious intellectual trouble -- in danger of
losing our hard-won cultural capital to a virulent mixture of
anti-intellectualism, anti-rationalism and low expectations.

. . . the third and final factor behind the new American dumbness: not
lack of knowledge per se but arrogance about that lack of knowledge. The
problem is not just the things we do not know (consider the one in five
American adults who, according to the National Science Foundation,
thinks the sun revolves around the Earth); it's the alarming number of
Americans who have smugly concluded that they do not need to know such
things in the first place. Call this anti-rationalism -- a syndrome that
is particularly dangerous to our public institutions and discourse. Not
knowing a foreign language or the location of an important country is a
manifestation of ignorance; denying that such knowledge matters is pure
anti-rationalism. The toxic brew of anti-rationalism and ignorance hurts
discussions of U.S. public policy on topics from health care to taxation.

There is no quick cure for this epidemic of arrogant anti-rationalism
and anti-intellectualism; rote efforts to raise standardized test scores
by stuffing students with specific answers to specific questions on
specific tests will not do the job. Moreover, the people who exemplify
the problem are usually oblivious to it. ("Hardly anyone believes
himself to be against thought and culture," Hofstadter noted.) It is
past time for a serious national discussion about whether, as a nation,
we truly value intellect and rationality. If this indeed turns out to be
a "change election," THE LOW LEVEL OF DISCOURSE IN A COUNTRY WITH A MIND
TAUGHT TO AIM AT LOW OBJECTS OUGHT TO BE THE FIRST ITEM ON THE CHANGE
AGENDA (capitals mine).
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...ting_activists
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:01:07 -0600, zxcvbob wrote:
On 1/23/2010 3:14 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David


The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has been caught with its
pants down again, this time with bogus claims about the Himalayan
glaciers. R. K. Pachauri has admitted the claims were false, but
somehow this "only strengthened the credibility" of the IPCC.

You can find bullshit in any science. However, it is irrelevent
as it'll be discredited. This is really basic stuff.

In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:

On 1/23/2010 3:14 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David


The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has been caught with its
pants down again, this time with bogus claims about the Himalayan
glaciers. R. K. Pachauri has admitted the claims were false, but
somehow this "only strengthened the credibility" of the IPCC.

Best regards,
Bob

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/21/sc...Envirobrf.html

Regret on Himalayan Glaciers Estimate

By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL
Published: January 20, 2010
An international scientific panel overseen by the United Nations
expressed "regret" on Wednesday for publishing an unsupported estimate
of the speed at which Himalayan glaciers were melting. The estimate,
included in a landmark 2007 report by the group, the Intergovernmental
Panel on Climate Change, said that the glaciers in the Himalayas could
disappear by 2035. The figure was culled from a dated magazine interview
with an Indian glacier scientist who now denies that he used that
number. Although there is abundant evidence that glaciers are
retreating, scientists differ on the speed of that trend and which
glaciers will be affected.
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...ting_activists
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines

In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:

On 1/23/2010 3:14 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David


The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has been caught with its
pants down again, this time with bogus claims about the Himalayan
glaciers. R. K. Pachauri has admitted the claims were false, but
somehow this "only strengthened the credibility" of the IPCC.

Best regards,
Bob

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...layan-glaciers
-mistake
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...ting_activists
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
Frank wrote:
http://atroshenko.com/NSAlBuddha.html

You don't get it. It is not your God or your authority figure that
matters - it is the evidence.

David

What evidence?

"Wildbilly" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Frank wrote:

http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...talfuture.html

Good for you, Frank, a real citation.
If you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy
then, maybe, we can have a conversation.

Does not knowing the values of the variable in the equation N=N*fp ne fl
fi fc fL change its' veracity?

If species that we know are going extinct, why wouldn't species of which
we are unaware, not going extinct?

Whether you numb your brain on my cite or not, we still are left with
the choices of (1) acting against greenhouse gas emissions (and look
silly if "global warming' isn't happening), or (2) not acting against
greenhouse gas emissions (causing unprecedented death and destruction
around the world).

Tell me, Frank, which bet would you prefer to lose?

--

If the earth was cooling (as thought in the 70's and 80's) would you be
trying to burn more fossils fuels?
A slight warming is actually a good thing,(natural occurrence) it gives
more land to grow things that are needed for an expanding population.
In the next 100 years technology will completely change everything as we
know it.
Make believe greenhouse gas emissions isn't going to cause unprecedented
death and destruction.