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The book , by Ruth Stout states that by putting 8 inches of hay, or leaves,
or mulch on your garden. You dont have to do anything to it. My problem is weeds. And I was almost going to cover my garden with black covering this year and sterilize and let it kill all the weeds . Ive got those marigold vines that overun everything. Do you think cover would keep the weeds down and allow me to grow this year . Or should I cover it this year to kill the weeds. Chemicals have already been done. They just come back. |
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None4U wrote:
The book , by Ruth Stout states that by putting 8 inches of hay, or leaves, or mulch on your garden. You dont have to do anything to it. My problem is weeds. And I was almost going to cover my garden with black covering this year and sterilize and let it kill all the weeds . Ive got those marigold vines that overun everything. Do you think cover would keep the weeds down and allow me to grow this year . Or should I cover it this year to kill the weeds. Chemicals have already been done. They just come back. There ain't no such thing as a no work garden. With knowledge and planing and by limiting the scope of what you do you can reduce the work. David |
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On 3/18/2010 7:58 AM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
None4U wrote: The book , by Ruth Stout states that by putting 8 inches of hay, or leaves, or mulch on your garden. You dont have to do anything to it. My problem is weeds. And I was almost going to cover my garden with black covering this year and sterilize and let it kill all the weeds . Ive got those marigold vines that overun everything. Do you think cover would keep the weeds down and allow me to grow this year . Or should I cover it this year to kill the weeds. Chemicals have already been done. They just come back. There ain't no such thing as a no work garden. With knowledge and planing and by limiting the scope of what you do you can reduce the work. David More like "minimum maintenance gardening". I've got a book on it. |
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On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:23:37 -0400, "None4U"
wrote: The book , by Ruth Stout states that by putting 8 inches of hay, or leaves, or mulch on your garden. You dont have to do anything to it. My problem is weeds. And I was almost going to cover my garden with black covering this year and sterilize and let it kill all the weeds . Ive got those marigold vines that overun everything. Do you think cover would keep the weeds down and allow me to grow this year . Or should I cover it this year to kill the weeds. Chemicals have already been done. They just come back. If you put 8 inches of hay over your garden you may not have to do much with it this year. But, next year you will have at least two year's work trying to get rid of everything that sprouts from the seeds in the hay. Ross. |
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On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:23:37 -0400, "None4U"
wrote: The book , by Ruth Stout states that by putting 8 inches of hay, or leaves, or mulch on your garden. You dont have to do anything to it. My problem is weeds. And I was almost going to cover my garden with black covering this year and sterilize and let it kill all the weeds . Ive got those marigold vines that overun everything. Do you think cover would keep the weeds down and allow me to grow this year . Or should I cover it this year to kill the weeds. Chemicals have already been done. They just come back. Do a Google search on "soil solarization." You should find some detailed information. Last fall I put several inches of grass and leaves on a small section of my garden. I don't see any weeds popping up yet but it is early. I am planning to simply remove a enough topping to dig a hole for the plants. Will make a progress report later. I am also going to use Preen on the other places where I am going to set out plants. There is no magic bullet. It takes work preparing the garden, i.e. getting rid of the weeds and keeping after them. And some weeds are harder to get rid of than others. Around here we have horse nettle. It propagates by seed and runners. I just try to keep after the plants with Round Up. I can get the spray on just the plant I want. The rest of the stuff I just pull up. Once you get an area clean it is easier to keep that way. I have never succeeded in completely ridding the place of weeds. -- USA North Carolina Foothills USDA Zone 7a |
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"None4U" wrote in message et... The book , by Ruth Stout states that by putting 8 inches of hay, or leaves, or mulch on your garden. You dont have to do anything to it. My problem is weeds. And I was almost going to cover my garden with black covering this year and sterilize and let it kill all the weeds . Ive got those marigold vines that overun everything. Do you think cover would keep the weeds down and allow me to grow this year . How long have you been using mulch to suppress weeds? The first year I did it, I was pulling bindweed sprouts out every single day. (Bindweed, in case you don't know, is an aggressive vining flower that develops an enormous taproot and covers EVERYTHING if left uncontrolled.) I also had lots of grass in my beds, strongly coming up through the cardboard and mulch. Two years later, the bindweed is all but gone--I had to pull a sprout maybe once a week last summer--and the grass is coming under control as well. I think it just takes time. The first couple of years will be "more work" gardens where weeds are concerned, but after a couple of years of mulch and cover crops, the weeds don't need to be there, so they don't grow. You must remember that weeds are nature's way of protecting the earth--any time earth is exposed, such as with a freshly-tilled garden bed--whatever seeds lie in the soil will pop up to cover the bare area. When you cover that area with mulch and cover crops, you have done the work of protecting it, and will get fewer weeds. --S. |
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... On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:23:37 -0400, "None4U" wrote: The book , by Ruth Stout states that by putting 8 inches of hay, or leaves, or mulch on your garden. You dont have to do anything to it. My problem is weeds. And I was almost going to cover my garden with black covering this year and sterilize and let it kill all the weeds . Ive got those marigold vines that overun everything. Do you think cover would keep the weeds down and allow me to grow this year . Or should I cover it this year to kill the weeds. Chemicals have already been done. They just come back. If you put 8 inches of hay over your garden you may not have to do much with it this year. But, next year you will have at least two year's work trying to get rid of everything that sprouts from the seeds in the hay. That is not a fact. It depends on the hay and how it's used. Even if you use seedy hay such as meadow hay, if it's prepared by ageing it and turning it in the bale, weeds wont' be a problem |
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In article , rossr35253
@forteinc.com says... On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:23:37 -0400, "None4U" wrote: The book , by Ruth Stout states that by putting 8 inches of hay, or leaves, or mulch on your garden. You dont have to do anything to it. My problem is weeds. And I was almost going to cover my garden with black covering this year and sterilize and let it kill all the weeds . Ive got those marigold vines that overun everything. Do you think cover would keep the weeds down and allow me to grow this year . Or should I cover it this year to kill the weeds. Chemicals have already been done. They just come back. If you put 8 inches of hay over your garden you may not have to do much with it this year. But, next year you will have at least two year's work trying to get rid of everything that sprouts from the seeds in the hay. We used hay one year because that was all we could get. We wound up with some very ...assertive grasses with which to make compost. There were very few weeds. Given a choice, I'd use straw. |
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"Suzanne D." wrote in message ... "None4U" wrote in message et... The book , by Ruth Stout states that by putting 8 inches of hay, or leaves, or mulch on your garden. You dont have to do anything to it. My problem is weeds. And I was almost going to cover my garden with black covering this year and sterilize and let it kill all the weeds . Ive got those marigold vines that overun everything. Do you think cover would keep the weeds down and allow me to grow this year . How long have you been using mulch to suppress weeds? The first year I did it, I was pulling bindweed sprouts out every single day. (Bindweed, in case you don't know, is an aggressive vining flower that develops an enormous taproot and covers EVERYTHING if left uncontrolled.) I also had lots of grass in my beds, strongly coming up through the cardboard and mulch. Two years later, the bindweed is all but gone--I had to pull a sprout maybe once a week last summer--and the grass is coming under control as well. I think it just takes time. The first couple of years will be "more work" gardens where weeds are concerned, but after a couple of years of mulch and cover crops, the weeds don't need to be there, so they don't grow. You must remember that weeds are nature's way of protecting the earth--any time earth is exposed, such as with a freshly-tilled garden bed--whatever seeds lie in the soil will pop up to cover the bare area. When you cover that area with mulch and cover crops, you have done the work of protecting it, and will get fewer weeds. --S. Im sriously over run by marigold vines . and a lot ofother stuff. From me puting 18 inches of horse manure in there. |
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"None4U" wrote: "Suzanne D." wrote in message ... "None4U" wrote in message et... The book , by Ruth Stout states that by putting 8 inches of hay, or leaves, or mulch on your garden. You dont have to do anything to it. My problem is weeds. And I was almost going to cover my garden with black covering this year and sterilize and let it kill all the weeds . Ive got those marigold vines that overun everything. Do you think cover would keep the weeds down and allow me to grow this year . How long have you been using mulch to suppress weeds? The first year I did it, I was pulling bindweed sprouts out every single day. (Bindweed, in case you don't know, is an aggressive vining flower that develops an enormous taproot and covers EVERYTHING if left uncontrolled.) I also had lots of grass in my beds, strongly coming up through the cardboard and mulch. Two years later, the bindweed is all but gone--I had to pull a sprout maybe once a week last summer--and the grass is coming under control as well. I think it just takes time. The first couple of years will be "more work" gardens where weeds are concerned, but after a couple of years of mulch and cover crops, the weeds don't need to be there, so they don't grow. You must remember that weeds are nature's way of protecting the earth--any time earth is exposed, such as with a freshly-tilled garden bed--whatever seeds lie in the soil will pop up to cover the bare area. When you cover that area with mulch and cover crops, you have done the work of protecting it, and will get fewer weeds. --S. Im sriously over run by marigold vines . and a lot ofother stuff. From me puting 18 inches of horse manure in there. No such thing as marigold vines. Kill file time. -- Bill Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending http://myloc.gov/Exhibitions/voicesfromafghanistan/Pages/Default.aspx |
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"Bill who putters" wrote in message ... In article , "None4U" wrote: "Suzanne D." wrote in message ... "None4U" wrote in message et... The book , by Ruth Stout states that by putting 8 inches of hay, or leaves, or mulch on your garden. You dont have to do anything to it. My problem is weeds. And I was almost going to cover my garden with black covering this year and sterilize and let it kill all the weeds . Ive got those marigold vines that overun everything. Do you think cover would keep the weeds down and allow me to grow this year . How long have you been using mulch to suppress weeds? The first year I did it, I was pulling bindweed sprouts out every single day. (Bindweed, in case you don't know, is an aggressive vining flower that develops an enormous taproot and covers EVERYTHING if left uncontrolled.) I also had lots of grass in my beds, strongly coming up through the cardboard and mulch. Two years later, the bindweed is all but gone--I had to pull a sprout maybe once a week last summer--and the grass is coming under control as well. I think it just takes time. The first couple of years will be "more work" gardens where weeds are concerned, but after a couple of years of mulch and cover crops, the weeds don't need to be there, so they don't grow. You must remember that weeds are nature's way of protecting the earth--any time earth is exposed, such as with a freshly-tilled garden bed--whatever seeds lie in the soil will pop up to cover the bare area. When you cover that area with mulch and cover crops, you have done the work of protecting it, and will get fewer weeds. --S. Im sriously over run by marigold vines . and a lot ofother stuff. From me puting 18 inches of horse manure in there. No such thing as marigold vines. Kill file time. Sorry, I think they are morning glories the horses ate. White and purple flowers that overun my tomatoes and you cant even walk in there. -- Bill Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending http://myloc.gov/Exhibitions/voicesfromafghanistan/Pages/Default.aspx |
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g'day,
once you are in controll of the weeds mulching will help to control there after wesue around 6" to 8"s of mulch which also keeps in moisture. so if teh weeds are well entrenched you may need to deal with them first eg.,. cut them right back or pull them out then cover with a good cover of newspaper and mulch for the first season there after the mulch should go a long way to helping weed control. works well enough for us so much so we rarely get sort after volunteers growing. http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:23:37 -0400, "None4U" wrote: snipped -- len With peace and brightest of blessings, "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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g'day ross,
we ahve found that not to be so, whatever grain is still in the straw si not a self perpetuating weed anyway and the bit that does germinate in say 8"s of straw is no hassle to be pulled and tucked under for extra nutrient as you walk you garden daily or other wise. and even using pasture grass hay like we often do you get very little grass seed germinating with that depth of cover. all of which is so easy to pull as it is only rooted on the mulch or the newly formed humus. http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:59:11 -0400, wrote: snipped -- len With peace and brightest of blessings, "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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"None4U" wrote in message Sorry, I think they are morning glories the horses ate. White and purple flowers that overun my tomatoes and you cant even walk in there. That's bindweed, the exact same thing I had. Again, it will take a few years to get rid of it fully. Expect to pull them out every day this summer. It will help to lay down some cardboard (or at least several layers of newspaper) before putting the mulch down. That will stop some of it, but not all. Just keep pulling it this summer and maybe next, and keep those cover crops growing at all times, and you'll be fine in a few years. You can trust me on this. Seriously, I had bindweed EVERYWHERE. Here is a picture of a single day's sprouts: http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos...963062_n. jpg That was in 2008. Last year we had almost NO bindweed. I'd pull up one or two sprouts a week. Don't worry, it takes time, but with mulch and cover crops your garden will eventually be fairly clear of weeds. --S. |
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