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Eaarth: Making a Life on a Tough New Planet by Bill McKibben
http://www.amazon.com/Eaarth-Making-...805090568/ref=
sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289104639&sr=1-1
(available at libraries near you)
was a little disappointing, but only because I expected more, based on
his Scientific American, April 2010 interview. It's not a bad read, but
it's no page turner.

It is full of tales of thawing tundra, warm acidic oceans, lost glaciers
and snow packs, lost ag land, and declining harvests because of the
"global warming".

There is a fine exposition, though, on how how Vermonters are becoming
locavores and rediscovering the art of community.

Along the way we are told that polycultures produce more food per
hectare than monocultures,
a single calorie of energy used to produce 2 calories of food, but
today, 10 calories (of oil) are needed to produce 1 calorie of food,
a barrel of oil contains 11 years of man labor, and that each of us goes
through 60 barrels per year, YMMV,
that this isn't the same world that we grew up in, or that the world's
food crops developed in,
and that the food production per hectare hasn't increased over the last
25 years, in spite of Monsanto's best efforts.

The most important observation that I found was that over the next
century, many people will be returning to the land, either as farmers,
laborers, or gardeners. The problem is that these people have no
experience in growing crops. As I see it, that is where we come in. We
are already advising people, and each other, about how to grow food.
This is a service that will only become more needed.

So hang in there wrecked gardeners, your planet needs you.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html
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Billy wrote:

Eaarth: Making a Life on a Tough New Planet by Bill McKibben
http://www.amazon.com/Eaarth-Making-...805090568/ref=
sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289104639&sr=1-1
(available at libraries near you)
was a little disappointing, but only because I expected more, based on
his Scientific American, April 2010 interview. It's not a bad read, but
it's no page turner.

It is full of tales of thawing tundra, warm acidic oceans, lost glaciers
and snow packs, lost ag land, and declining harvests because of the
"global warming".

There is a fine exposition, though, on how how Vermonters are becoming
locavores and rediscovering the art of community.

Along the way we are told that polycultures produce more food per
hectare than monocultures,
a single calorie of energy used to produce 2 calories of food, but
today, 10 calories (of oil) are needed to produce 1 calorie of food,
a barrel of oil contains 11 years of man labor, and that each of us goes
through 60 barrels per year, YMMV,
that this isn't the same world that we grew up in, or that the world's
food crops developed in,
and that the food production per hectare hasn't increased over the last
25 years, in spite of Monsanto's best efforts.

The most important observation that I found was that over the next
century, many people will be returning to the land, either as farmers,
laborers, or gardeners. The problem is that these people have no
experience in growing crops. As I see it, that is where we come in. We
are already advising people, and each other, about how to grow food.
This is a service that will only become more needed.

So hang in there wrecked gardeners, your planet needs you.


Here is a familiar author for you.

http://thurly.net/09oz

I've not read it yet.

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden
http://www.informationisbeautiful.ne...l-supplements/
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Bill who putters wrote:

Along the way we are told that polycultures produce more food per
hectare than monocultures,
a single calorie of energy used to produce 2 calories of food, but
today, 10 calories (of oil) are needed to produce 1 calorie of food,
a barrel of oil contains 11 years of man labor, and that each of us goes
through 60 barrels per year, YMMV,
that this isn't the same world that we grew up in, or that the world's
food crops developed in,
and that the food production per hectare hasn't increased over the last
25 years, in spite of Monsanto's best efforts.

The most important observation that I found was that over the next
century, many people will be returning to the land, either as farmers,
laborers, or gardeners. The problem is that these people have no
experience in growing crops. As I see it, that is where we come in. We
are already advising people, and each other, about how to grow food.
This is a service that will only become more needed.

So hang in there wrecked gardeners, your planet needs you.


Here is a familiar author for you.

http://thurly.net/09oz

I've not read it yet.


Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed by Jared Diamond
http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Socie...ed/dp/01430365
56/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289182449&sr=1-1
is a wonderful, wonderful book, a real page turner. Maybe the most
instructive chapter is Chapter 11 that discusses the island of
Hispanola, the two countries within it, Haiti, and the Dominican
Republic, and what their respective fates have been.

By and large, though, "Collapse" chronicles the bone head courses to
destruction, be it the Norse not adapting to the environment of
Greenland, as the Inuit did, because of cultural arrogance, or the
religious momentum that lead the inhabitants of Easter Island to destroy
their environment while awaiting their own "Rapture". What was the guy,
who cut down the last tree on Easter Island, thinking?

If you are looking for a very good book for over the winter, "Collapse",
or Diamond's other book "Guns, Germs, and Steel", would be good choices.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html
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Billy wrote:
In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

Along the way we are told that polycultures produce more food per
hectare than monocultures,
a single calorie of energy used to produce 2 calories of food, but
today, 10 calories (of oil) are needed to produce 1 calorie of food,

a barrel of oil contains 11 years of man labor, and that each of us
goes
through 60 barrels per year, YMMV,
that this isn't the same world that we grew up in, or that the
world's
food crops developed in,
and that the food production per hectare hasn't increased over the
last
25 years, in spite of Monsanto's best efforts.

The most important observation that I found was that over the next
century, many people will be returning to the land, either as
farmers,
laborers, or gardeners. The problem is that these people have no
experience in growing crops. As I see it, that is where we come in.
We
are already advising people, and each other, about how to grow food.

This is a service that will only become more needed.

So hang in there wrecked gardeners, your planet needs you.


Here is a familiar author for you.

http://thurly.net/09oz

I've not read it yet.


Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed by Jared Diamond
http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Socie...ed/dp/01430365
56/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289182449&sr=1-1
is a wonderful, wonderful book, a real page turner. Maybe the most
instructive chapter is Chapter 11 that discusses the island of
Hispanola, the two countries within it, Haiti, and the Dominican
Republic, and what their respective fates have been.

By and large, though, "Collapse" chronicles the bone head courses to
destruction, be it the Norse not adapting to the environment of
Greenland, as the Inuit did, because of cultural arrogance, or the
religious momentum that lead the inhabitants of Easter Island to
destroy
their environment while awaiting their own "Rapture". What was the
guy,
who cut down the last tree on Easter Island, thinking?

If you are looking for a very good book for over the winter,
"Collapse",
or Diamond's other book "Guns, Germs, and Steel", would be good
choices.


I admit, there is a limit to how much doom and gloom books I can read.
Yes, I recognize the world is collapsing. I will do my best to go green.
I find it now best to focusing on changing my life style. I find books
on self sufficiency, cooking, food preservation and water management
more to my liking.

I was not impressed with Eaarth. A dull read.

Fall is here, I have a few more chores to do do in the garden for winter
preparations, pruning, pulling up up the flower beds and rearranging
bulbs.

For winter reading and entertainment will be: Chocolate and confections
by Peter Greweling.
http://www.amazon.com/Chocolates-Con...9227981&sr=1-2

--
Enjoy Life... Dan L (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)
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In article ,
Dan L wrote:

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

Along the way we are told that polycultures produce more food per
hectare than monocultures,
a single calorie of energy used to produce 2 calories of food, but
today, 10 calories (of oil) are needed to produce 1 calorie of food,

a barrel of oil contains 11 years of man labor, and that each of us
goes
through 60 barrels per year, YMMV,
that this isn't the same world that we grew up in, or that the
world's
food crops developed in,
and that the food production per hectare hasn't increased over the
last
25 years, in spite of Monsanto's best efforts.

The most important observation that I found was that over the next
century, many people will be returning to the land, either as
farmers,
laborers, or gardeners. The problem is that these people have no
experience in growing crops. As I see it, that is where we come in.
We
are already advising people, and each other, about how to grow food.

This is a service that will only become more needed.

So hang in there wrecked gardeners, your planet needs you.

Here is a familiar author for you.

http://thurly.net/09oz

I've not read it yet.


Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed by Jared Diamond
http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Socie...ed/dp/01430365
56/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289182449&sr=1-1
is a wonderful, wonderful book, a real page turner. Maybe the most
instructive chapter is Chapter 11 that discusses the island of
Hispanola, the two countries within it, Haiti, and the Dominican
Republic, and what their respective fates have been.

By and large, though, "Collapse" chronicles the bone head courses to
destruction, be it the Norse not adapting to the environment of
Greenland, as the Inuit did, because of cultural arrogance, or the
religious momentum that lead the inhabitants of Easter Island to
destroy
their environment while awaiting their own "Rapture". What was the
guy,
who cut down the last tree on Easter Island, thinking?

If you are looking for a very good book for over the winter,
"Collapse",
or Diamond's other book "Guns, Germs, and Steel", would be good
choices.


I admit, there is a limit to how much doom and gloom books I can read.
Yes, I recognize the world is collapsing. I will do my best to go green.
I find it now best to focusing on changing my life style. I find books
on self sufficiency, cooking, food preservation and water management
more to my liking.

I was not impressed with Eaarth. A dull read.

Fall is here, I have a few more chores to do do in the garden for winter
preparations, pruning, pulling up up the flower beds and rearranging
bulbs.

For winter reading and entertainment will be: Chocolate and confections
by Peter Greweling.
http://www.amazon.com/Chocolates-Con...America/dp/047
0189576/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289227981&sr=1-2


Here is a book for you Dan L.

"A treasury of Great Recipes" circa 1965 By Mary and Vincent Price

Library of Congress Catalog card number 65-10310

http://thurly.net/09uv

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden
http://www.informationisbeautiful.ne...l-supplements/


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Bill who putters wrote:
In article ,
Dan L wrote:

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

Along the way we are told that polycultures produce more food per
hectare than monocultures,
a single calorie of energy used to produce 2 calories of food, but

today, 10 calories (of oil) are needed to produce 1 calorie of
food,

a barrel of oil contains 11 years of man labor, and that each of
us
goes
through 60 barrels per year, YMMV,
that this isn't the same world that we grew up in, or that the
world's
food crops developed in,
and that the food production per hectare hasn't increased over the
last
25 years, in spite of Monsanto's best efforts.

The most important observation that I found was that over the next

century, many people will be returning to the land, either as
farmers,
laborers, or gardeners. The problem is that these people have no
experience in growing crops. As I see it, that is where we come
in.
We
are already advising people, and each other, about how to grow
food.

This is a service that will only become more needed.

So hang in there wrecked gardeners, your planet needs you.

Here is a familiar author for you.

http://thurly.net/09oz

I've not read it yet.

Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed by Jared Diamond
http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Socie...ed/dp/01430365
56/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289182449&sr=1-1
is a wonderful, wonderful book, a real page turner. Maybe the most
instructive chapter is Chapter 11 that discusses the island of
Hispanola, the two countries within it, Haiti, and the Dominican
Republic, and what their respective fates have been.

By and large, though, "Collapse" chronicles the bone head courses to

destruction, be it the Norse not adapting to the environment of
Greenland, as the Inuit did, because of cultural arrogance, or the
religious momentum that lead the inhabitants of Easter Island to
destroy
their environment while awaiting their own "Rapture". What was the
guy,
who cut down the last tree on Easter Island, thinking?

If you are looking for a very good book for over the winter,
"Collapse",
or Diamond's other book "Guns, Germs, and Steel", would be good
choices.


I admit, there is a limit to how much doom and gloom books I can
read.
Yes, I recognize the world is collapsing. I will do my best to go
green.
I find it now best to focusing on changing my life style. I find
books
on self sufficiency, cooking, food preservation and water management
more to my liking.

I was not impressed with Eaarth. A dull read.

Fall is here, I have a few more chores to do do in the garden for
winter
preparations, pruning, pulling up up the flower beds and rearranging
bulbs.

For winter reading and entertainment will be: Chocolate and
confections
by Peter Greweling.
http://www.amazon.com/Chocolates-Con...America/dp/047
0189576/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289227981&sr=1-2


Here is a book for you Dan L.

"A treasury of Great Recipes" circa 1965 By Mary and Vincent Price

Library of Congress Catalog card number 65-10310

http://thurly.net/09uv


A most interesting book!
A 1965 classic by Vincent Price. The average used price seems to be
going for $100 depending on condition. Prices ranging from $20 - $200.

I am not a book collector in anyway. I do have over a thousand books
that I have purchased new over the years. But I will say, half of my
books are out of print. Out of curiosity I have looked at eBay and found
many of my books are five to ten times what I originally payed for them.
I treat my books with great care.
None for sale. Selling my books would be like selling my soul.

--
Enjoy Life... Dan L (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)
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Dan L wrote:
Billy wrote:
In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

Along the way we are told that polycultures produce more food per
hectare than monocultures,
a single calorie of energy used to produce 2 calories of food, but
today, 10 calories (of oil) are needed to produce 1 calorie of
food,

a barrel of oil contains 11 years of man labor, and that each of us
goes
through 60 barrels per year, YMMV,
that this isn't the same world that we grew up in, or that the
world's
food crops developed in,
and that the food production per hectare hasn't increased over the
last
25 years, in spite of Monsanto's best efforts.

The most important observation that I found was that over the next
century, many people will be returning to the land, either as
farmers,
laborers, or gardeners. The problem is that these people have no
experience in growing crops. As I see it, that is where we come in.
We
are already advising people, and each other, about how to grow
food.

This is a service that will only become more needed.

So hang in there wrecked gardeners, your planet needs you.

Here is a familiar author for you.

http://thurly.net/09oz

I've not read it yet.


Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed by Jared Diamond
http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Socie...ed/dp/01430365
56/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289182449&sr=1-1
is a wonderful, wonderful book, a real page turner. Maybe the most
instructive chapter is Chapter 11 that discusses the island of
Hispanola, the two countries within it, Haiti, and the Dominican
Republic, and what their respective fates have been.

By and large, though, "Collapse" chronicles the bone head courses to
destruction, be it the Norse not adapting to the environment of
Greenland, as the Inuit did, because of cultural arrogance, or the
religious momentum that lead the inhabitants of Easter Island to
destroy
their environment while awaiting their own "Rapture". What was the
guy,
who cut down the last tree on Easter Island, thinking?

If you are looking for a very good book for over the winter,
"Collapse",
or Diamond's other book "Guns, Germs, and Steel", would be good
choices.


I admit, there is a limit to how much doom and gloom books I can read.
Yes, I recognize the world is collapsing. I will do my best to go
green. I find it now best to focusing on changing my life style. I
find books on self sufficiency, cooking, food preservation and water
management more to my liking.


"Collapse" is actually mildly optimistic. GG&S is much more historical and
not about the future because the forces that Diamond posits as shaping
cultures have been largely overtaken by technology and globalism. I found
his ideas on the origins of domesticated species and the influence of such
on subsequent development on the societies that did the domesticating to be
very powerful and thought provoking. Neither need to be read from cover to
cover in sequence so if you feel like dipping into a certain topic you can.

David

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In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

In article ,
Dan L wrote:

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

Along the way we are told that polycultures produce more food per
hectare than monocultures,
a single calorie of energy used to produce 2 calories of food, but
today, 10 calories (of oil) are needed to produce 1 calorie of food,

a barrel of oil contains 11 years of man labor, and that each of us
goes
through 60 barrels per year, YMMV,
that this isn't the same world that we grew up in, or that the
world's
food crops developed in,
and that the food production per hectare hasn't increased over the
last
25 years, in spite of Monsanto's best efforts.

The most important observation that I found was that over the next
century, many people will be returning to the land, either as
farmers,
laborers, or gardeners. The problem is that these people have no
experience in growing crops. As I see it, that is where we come in.
We
are already advising people, and each other, about how to grow food.

This is a service that will only become more needed.

So hang in there wrecked gardeners, your planet needs you.

Here is a familiar author for you.

http://thurly.net/09oz

I've not read it yet.

Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed by Jared Diamond
http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Socie...ed/dp/01430365
56/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289182449&sr=1-1
is a wonderful, wonderful book, a real page turner. Maybe the most
instructive chapter is Chapter 11 that discusses the island of
Hispanola, the two countries within it, Haiti, and the Dominican
Republic, and what their respective fates have been.

By and large, though, "Collapse" chronicles the bone head courses to
destruction, be it the Norse not adapting to the environment of
Greenland, as the Inuit did, because of cultural arrogance, or the
religious momentum that lead the inhabitants of Easter Island to
destroy
their environment while awaiting their own "Rapture". What was the
guy,
who cut down the last tree on Easter Island, thinking?

If you are looking for a very good book for over the winter,
"Collapse",
or Diamond's other book "Guns, Germs, and Steel", would be good
choices.


I admit, there is a limit to how much doom and gloom books I can read.
Yes, I recognize the world is collapsing. I will do my best to go green.
I find it now best to focusing on changing my life style. I find books
on self sufficiency, cooking, food preservation and water management
more to my liking.

I was not impressed with Eaarth. A dull read.

I didn't find it dull. I just thought that there may be more practical
information, especially on polycultures. I certainly would recommend the
book to anyone who is unaware of the effects of "Global Warming".

Fall is here, I have a few more chores to do do in the garden for winter
preparations, pruning, pulling up up the flower beds and rearranging
bulbs.

For winter reading and entertainment will be: Chocolate and confections
by Peter Greweling.
http://www.amazon.com/Chocolates-Con...e-America/dp/0
47
0189576/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289227981&sr=1-2


Here is a book for you Dan L.

"A treasury of Great Recipes" circa 1965 By Mary and Vincent Price

Library of Congress Catalog card number 65-10310

http://thurly.net/09uv


I personally like the Crostata di Mele on page 111. Think crust, apples,
spread with apricot jam. Easy to cook, and a pleasure to eat.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html
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