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OT but garden linked news Item Leaked Memo Sheds Light on Mysterious Bee Die-Offs
http://www.alternet.org/story/149150...ht_on_mysterio
us_bee_die-offs_and_who%27s_to_blame/?page=entire I started with OT because Bayer and other usual suspects are implicated. You'll need to fix the URL. |
OT but garden linked news Item Leaked Memo Sheds Light on Mysterious Bee Die-Offs
"phorbin" wrote in message ... http://www.alternet.org/story/149150...ht_on_mysterio us_bee_die-offs_and_who%27s_to_blame/?page=entire I started with OT because Bayer and other usual suspects are implicated. You'll need to fix the URL. http://www.alternet.org/story/149150...e/?page=entire mike |
OT but garden linked news Item Leaked Memo Sheds Light onMysterious Bee Die-Offs
On 12/14/10 8:37 AM, sometime in the recent past phorbin posted this:
http://www.alternet.org/story/149150...ht_on_mysterio us_bee_die-offs_and_who%27s_to_blame/?page=entire I started with OT because Bayer and other usual suspects are implicated. You'll need to fix the URL. An article from this last May says that banning 'neonicotinoids' in several countries has shown bee populations rebounding - see http://bit.ly/aoSaaq It states that following a ban on the pesticide group by France & Germany, "last year the Italian Agriculture Ministry suspended the use of a class of pesticides, nicotine-based neonicotinoids, as a "precautionary measure." The compelling results - restored bee populations - prompted the government to uphold the ban." The seeds are treated and then the pesticide is systemic in the plant - now there's real economy. 'Roundup ready' food anyone. As a "precautionary measure." But not here in the US, not if it could cause the restriction of the pesticide industries ability to profit. We'll never hurt an industry as part of a 'precautionary measure.' We will always err on the side of profit. Watch this trailer http://pierreterre.com/video/nicotine-bees-trailer and then write your congress person. Emails are good, but a letter can work wonders. 'Follow the money.' - Deepthroat -- Wilson 44.69, -67.3 |
OT but garden linked news Item Leaked Memo Sheds Light on Mysterious Bee Die-Offs
phorbin wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/story/149150...ht_on_mysterio us_bee_die-offs_and_who%27s_to_blame/?page=entire I started with OT because Bayer and other usual suspects are implicated. You'll need to fix the URL. For some reason this does not surprise me. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
OT but garden linked news Item Leaked Memo Sheds Light on Mysterious Bee Die-Offs
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"Bloke Down The Pub" wrote: "phorbin" wrote in message ... http://www.alternet.org/story/149150...ht_on_mysterio us_bee_die-offs_and_who%27s_to_blame/?page=entire I started with OT because Bayer and other usual suspects are implicated. You'll need to fix the URL. http://www.alternet.org/story/149150...mysterious_bee _die-offs_and_who%27s_to_blame/?page=entire mike http://thurly.net/0g8h -- Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden "Always tell the truth and you don't have to remember anything." --Mark Twain. |
OT but garden linked news Item Leaked Memo Sheds Light onMysterious Bee Die-Offs
On Dec 14, 5:37 am, phorbin wrote:
I started with OT because Bayer and other usual suspects are implicated. Mysterious Bee Die-Offs. Bayer? Really? I hate to ruin a good Murder Mystery by giving the ending.....but the Evil Corporate Empire didn't do it in this exciting episode. But on the surface it does appear to be a good attempt on the writer's part for yet another conspiracy theory implication, especially with Wikileak so recent.......sounds so convinving. Hopefully those here do not operate on supposition. Scientists and Soldiers Solve a Bee Mystery http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/science/07bees.html Study Abstract: Iridovirus and Microsporidian Linked to Honey Bee Colony Decline http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0013181 |
OT but garden linked news Item Leaked Memo Sheds Light on Mysterious Bee Die-Offs
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OT but garden linked news Item Leaked Memo Sheds Light onMysterious Bee Die-Offs
On Dec 17, 8:33*pm, phorbin wrote:
In article 47c547ae-ee57-48d5-8727-a358ca3ff237@ 37g2000prx.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 14, 5:37 am, phorbin wrote: I started with OT because Bayer and other usual suspects are implicated. Mysterious Bee Die-Offs. *Bayer? *Really? I hate to ruin a good Murder Mystery by giving the ending.....but the Evil Corporate Empire didn't do it in this exciting episode. * *But on the surface it does appear to be a good attempt on the writer's part for yet another conspiracy theory implication, especially with Wikileak so recent.......sounds so convinving. *Hopefully those here do not operate on supposition. Bayer's products are implicated as are the neonicotinoids manufactured by other companies. That is a fact, not supposition. I've yet to track it all down but reports of restored bee populations in parts of Europe that have neonicotinoid bans make a compelling argument for the empire being evil. Sorry Phorb, bring implicated is not a fact. As for a "compelling argument", your a bit correct.... it is an argument. Just not a very good one in light of all the scientific lit. out there. You will never agree, but that article was a poorly written fluff piece, filler chaff on some eco blog, designed to keep the masses to stay on message. Yet do note she glossed right over the evil email by giving nothing but a date, no facts, just straight to the same propaganda that has become the mantra of the Eco world. The Russians called it disinformation. Palin calls it Fox News. |
OT but garden linked news Item Leaked Memo Sheds Light on MysteriousBee Die-Offs
On 12/19/10 10:52 AM, sometime in the recent past Gunner posted this:
On Dec 17, 8:33 pm, wrote: In article47c547ae-ee57-48d5-8727-a358ca3ff237@ 37g2000prx.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 14, 5:37 am, wrote: I started with OT because Bayer and other usual suspects are implicated. snip There are a lot of times when I remain unconvinced of things others are adamant about. The truth isn't necessarily going to come from an inarticulate person, but it has. It isn't going to be found in a well written scientific treatise with plenty of empirical evidence fully referenced, but it has. But that same treatise has been at times a vehicle for an agenda, be it commercial or political twisting the truth to suit their purpose. So much of the time, without absolute proof something we are doing is causing a harm, we continue that practice until moved by greater forces, by which time it's too late. Waiting for proof is an impractical luxury, especially with something so fundamental to our existence as pollination. Why not err on the side of caution once in a while? There is only one urgency to do otherwise and that's the urgency of greed. Other than that, you have a Merry Christmas and may God bless you with your own private epiphany. 'Where theirs life, there's hope.' -- Wilson 44.69, -67.3 |
OT but garden linked news Item Leaked Memo Sheds Light onMysterious Bee Die-Offs
I don't give Palin, who is a fascist and religious extremist, any credibility beyond being one of the public faces of the greatest internal threat to America, btw. Ahh, so you do understand. Extremist propraganda takes many justified forms doesn't it. BTW I do believe the bee folks are and have been using using a miticide, wonder who they are getting that from? I also meant to thank you for using OT. |
OT but garden linked news Item Leaked Memo Sheds Light onMysterious Bee Die-Offs
Wilson, I'm sure you meant all you wrote with the purest intention and
so I thank you, expecially for not going the ad hominem route. Yet, your post is just so much philosophical ambiguity (with religious overtures) to even address w/o sounding like the Grinch. So as for a response, just take your pick from the link below. I think you got the gist of a good many of them in that last. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Fin...oney_Detection I think "Why" is really the heart of your question, yes? more specifically why not err on the good side? one can even ask why ask why when we know our side seeks the greater cause? A mini version of the end justifies the means. Most here know of the study that says over half of the population will not change their opinion, even in the face of contridictory information, but that should never stop one from seeking facts and well formed information. A valid argument can stand on its own merits....... or not. So again... the two articles show little to no proof that nicotine pesticides caused CCD. also the timelines do not matchup. Pesticides as a whole are a stressor for sure as cited in the many CCD references (again, don't recall that Nicotone was one of the orginal conspiracy theories, seems that just came up later as the dogpile got bigger). So no one is saying pesticides are cool, but perpetuating propaganda is not the correct option either. Both your previous link as well as Phorbin's are a bit lacking in any merit to say Mysterious Bee Die-Off (CCD) is caused by Bayer and others. I do have to say the comments to them however were quite enlightening. Most likely indicative of the intended audience. But in taking sides, one has to be the enemy, right? That seems always to be the on the other side of your beliefs. I also thank you for your season greeting and your concern. Know I have had many an epiphany, just probably not your version. So a very joyous holiday season to you also Wilson. Gunner "As man is, so is his God. And thus is God oft strangely odd." Goethe |
OT but garden linked news Item Leaked Memo Sheds Light on MysteriousBee Die-Offs
On 12/20/10 3:51 PM, sometime in the recent past Gunner posted this:
Wilson, I'm sure you meant all you wrote with the purest intention and so I thank you, expecially for not going the ad hominem route. Yet, your post is just so much philosophical ambiguity (with religious overtures) to even address w/o sounding like the Grinch. So as for a response, just take your pick from the link below. I think you got the gist of a good many of them in that last. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Fin...oney_Detection I think "Why" is really the heart of your question, yes? more specifically why not err on the good side? one can even ask why ask why when we know our side seeks the greater cause? A mini version of the end justifies the means. Most here know of the study that says over half of the population will not change their opinion, even in the face of contridictory information, but that should never stop one from seeking facts and well formed information. A valid argument can stand on its own merits....... or not. So again... the two articles show little to no proof that nicotine pesticides caused CCD. also the timelines do not matchup. Pesticides as a whole are a stressor for sure as cited in the many CCD references (again, don't recall that Nicotone was one of the orginal conspiracy theories, seems that just came up later as the dogpile got bigger). So no one is saying pesticides are cool, but perpetuating propaganda is not the correct option either. Both your previous link as well as Phorbin's are a bit lacking in any merit to say Mysterious Bee Die-Off (CCD) is caused by Bayer and others. I do have to say the comments to them however were quite enlightening. Most likely indicative of the intended audience. But in taking sides, one has to be the enemy, right? That seems always to be the on the other side of your beliefs. I also thank you for your season greeting and your concern. Know I have had many an epiphany, just probably not your version. So a very joyous holiday season to you also Wilson. Gunner "As man is, so is his God. And thus is God oft strangely odd." Goethe Thank you, Gunner. As you pointed it out before, I did look at the 'Fine are of Baloney Detection.' I didn't try to offer anything other than my philosophical PoV simply for expediency and the fact that more tangible truths are hard to find. A wonderful Holiday Season to you and yours again. -- Wilson 44.69, -67.3 Sometimes one word is too many and a thousand are not enough. |
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