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David Hare-Scott wrote: ... Really? You must have that Harry Potter wand and magic word that turns plants back into seeds .... "Reverso tomaticus!" very funny, but you know what i mean jellybean. songbird I do D |
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"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
... songbird wrote: Boron Elgar wrote: So I planted some Mortgage Lifter tomatoes this year. The plants grew very well, were most prolific in flowering, setting and ripening of fruit. The only problem is that the tomatoes are not wonderful. They look fabulous. They would make ideal magazine shots or state fair entries, but they are, at least to me, underweight for their size and have no depth of flavor whatsoever. aw! thanks for saying. we've always been happy with the beefsteaks. the past few years we added the sweet 100s cherry tomatoes and they are very good. two plants take up about 60sq ft and keep producing so many we have plenty to give away. i'd rather give away a half a pint of cherry tomatoes instead of a three pound beefsteak. I have only two full size varieties growing this year (many cherry, pear, patios, etc, as they bear and ripen earlier here), the MLs and some identified only as "heirloom tomato" on the labeling, that latter having been bought as a lark from a reduced rack at the local grocery store. I wish I knew what the "heirloom tomato" really was as it has produced fruit that is everything that exemplifies a home grown tomato with indescribably delicious complexity of taste. the seeds should be reusable. Really? You must have that Harry Potter wand and magic word that turns plants back into seeds .... "Reverso tomaticus!" LOL. I was thinking simialr thoughts at the use of 'reusable'. Have you planted any toms yet or do you need to wait a while longer? |
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"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
... songbird wrote: David Hare-Scott wrote: ... Really? You must have that Harry Potter wand and magic word that turns plants back into seeds .... "Reverso tomaticus!" very funny, but you know what i mean jellybean. songbird I do Couse we know, but it still didn't stop me thinking of the stories from my youth of teens who reused condoms after carefully washing them out...... |
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"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message ... songbird wrote: David Hare-Scott wrote: ... Really? You must have that Harry Potter wand and magic word that turns plants back into seeds .... "Reverso tomaticus!" very funny, but you know what i mean jellybean. songbird I do Couse we know, but it still didn't stop me thinking of the stories from my youth of teens who reused condoms after carefully washing them out...... Nah gladwrap, you can get a big roll for a few dollars ..... D |
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"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message ... songbird wrote: Boron Elgar wrote: So I planted some Mortgage Lifter tomatoes this year. The plants grew very well, were most prolific in flowering, setting and ripening of fruit. The only problem is that the tomatoes are not wonderful. They look fabulous. They would make ideal magazine shots or state fair entries, but they are, at least to me, underweight for their size and have no depth of flavor whatsoever. aw! thanks for saying. we've always been happy with the beefsteaks. the past few years we added the sweet 100s cherry tomatoes and they are very good. two plants take up about 60sq ft and keep producing so many we have plenty to give away. i'd rather give away a half a pint of cherry tomatoes instead of a three pound beefsteak. I have only two full size varieties growing this year (many cherry, pear, patios, etc, as they bear and ripen earlier here), the MLs and some identified only as "heirloom tomato" on the labeling, that latter having been bought as a lark from a reduced rack at the local grocery store. I wish I knew what the "heirloom tomato" really was as it has produced fruit that is everything that exemplifies a home grown tomato with indescribably delicious complexity of taste. the seeds should be reusable. Really? You must have that Harry Potter wand and magic word that turns plants back into seeds .... "Reverso tomaticus!" LOL. I was thinking simialr thoughts at the use of 'reusable'. Have you planted any toms yet or do you need to wait a while longer? My summer stuff is still in trays. The volunteers are coming up already but there is still time for a frost before summer despite having budburst on the stone fruits. So I will wait another 3 weeks to be safe. D |
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"David Hare-Scott" wrote:
FarmI wrote: Have you planted any toms yet or do you need to wait a while longer? My summer stuff is still in trays. The volunteers are coming up already but there is still time for a frost before summer despite having budburst on the stone fruits. So I will wait another 3 weeks to be safe. How we differ, you are thinking of planting and I am thinking of harvest :) I have been canning and freezing my summer bounty planning for the winter while on the other side of the planet the summer is upon them. In a way it does seem like, I am in the Muggle's world and the other side is just past the 9 and 3/4 magical world. -- Nad |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:25:30 -0400, songbird
wrote: The Cook wrote: ... For the last several years I have been trying lots of different tomatoes and I have decided that next year I am only going to plant Viva Italia, Better Boy, Early Girl and Jelly Bean. I am also going to plant a second crop of Viva Italia and Better Boy since I seem to have so much trouble with various and sundry blights and bugs. a second crop in a different location or? That is my plant for next year. I have also picked out the spot for next year's tomatoes -- where the corn is growing this year. It hasn't had tomatoes in it. In fact, this year's plot was fleshly plowed for this year. Only grass on it for years. A couple of days ago I found out what was eating my cantaloupe -- a turtle. haha! the race goes to the turtle. did you catch it in the act? Yes. He had his head in what was left of the cantaloupe. songbird -- USA North Carolina Foothills USDA Zone 7a To find your extension office http://www.csrees.usda.gov/Extension/index.html |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:07:10 -0400, Boron Elgar
wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:59:36 -0400, songbird wrote: Boron Elgar wrote: So I planted some Mortgage Lifter tomatoes this year. The plants grew very well, were most prolific in flowering, setting and ripening of fruit. The only problem is that the tomatoes are not wonderful. They look fabulous. They would make ideal magazine shots or state fair entries, but they are, at least to me, underweight for their size and have no depth of flavor whatsoever. aw! thanks for saying. we've always been happy with the beefsteaks. the past few years we added the sweet 100s cherry tomatoes and they are very good. two plants take up about 60sq ft and keep producing so many we have plenty to give away. i'd rather give away a half a pint of cherry tomatoes instead of a three pound beefsteak. I like the sweet 100s. Their only flaw is a tendancy to split after a heavy rain...much more so than any of the other cherries or small tomatoes I have going this year. Yes...the cherries get given away, but those perfect full size tomatoes are guarded like treasure. I just made 3.5 pints of sauce from my grape tomatoes. Couldn't think of anything else to do with them. About tomorrow I guess I will be canning another7 quarts of tomatoes. I'm thinking about gazpacho, hummus and tzatziki today. Bought some pita since I doubt I will feel like making them today. Maybe I will search the freezer and see if I still have some there. I have only two full size varieties growing this year (many cherry, pear, patios, etc, as they bear and ripen earlier here), the MLs and some identified only as "heirloom tomato" on the labeling, that latter having been bought as a lark from a reduced rack at the local grocery store. I wish I knew what the "heirloom tomato" really was as it has produced fruit that is everything that exemplifies a home grown tomato with indescribably delicious complexity of taste. the seeds should be reusable. And some have been saved. They are drying on paper towel. It's fun gardening. :) sure is, i have been working on thinning out the strawberries and planting the runners in a spare spot. five gallon bucket packed full. i have another two sides to finish yet. they will go in another place to fill in that garden. :) I grow strawberries for show, I swear...with what the critters leave me, it is an exercise in futility. Boron -- USA North Carolina Foothills USDA Zone 7a To find your extension office http://www.csrees.usda.gov/Extension/index.html |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:57:50 -0400, The Cook
wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:07:10 -0400, Boron Elgar Yes...the cherries get given away, but those perfect full size tomatoes are guarded like treasure. I just made 3.5 pints of sauce from my grape tomatoes. Couldn't think of anything else to do with them. About tomorrow I guess I will be canning another7 quarts of tomatoes. I'm thinking about gazpacho, hummus and tzatziki today. Bought some pita since I doubt I will feel like making them today. Maybe I will search the freezer and see if I still have some there. The NY Times has a great way of using cherries in a caramelized tarte. ....and 25 other ways to use tomatoes, too. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/dining/171arex.html Last week we had gazpacho and I take a little salad of the cherries, cukes and cottage cheese every day for lunch now. If I want to fancy that up, I add a dollop of sour cream and a bit of onion. By the time I get tired of it, the season is over. Boron |
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I wish I knew what the "heirloom tomato" really was as it has produced fruit that is everything that exemplifies a home grown tomato with indescribably delicious complexity of taste. I don't believe heirloom tomatoes are supposed to satisfy that criteria, you can saved the seeds for next year, that is about it. There seems to be some misconception that modern hybrids were bred solely for looks and shelf life, this is of course true for some hybrids, used by commercial growers. But the other side of the coin is that another group of hybrids have been bred solely for taste for the home gardener, that are far superior in taste to any heirlooms. The hybrids took over pretty quickly when introduced was no accident, they are better in every way, but you have to pay for the seeds every year. |
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"fsadfa" wrote in message ... I wish I knew what the "heirloom tomato" really was as it has produced fruit that is everything that exemplifies a home grown tomato with indescribably delicious complexity of taste. I don't believe heirloom tomatoes are supposed to satisfy that criteria, you can saved the seeds for next year, that is about it. There seems to be some misconception that modern hybrids were bred solely for looks and shelf life, this is of course true for some hybrids, used by commercial growers. But the other side of the coin is that another group of hybrids have been bred solely for taste for the home gardener, that are far superior in taste to any heirlooms. Names please, I know of none that are superior in flavor to my heirlooms. |
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fsadfa wrote:
I don't believe heirloom tomatoes are supposed to satisfy that criteria, you can saved the seeds for next year, that is about it. May be, but when taste tests are done, "Brandywine" almost always wins. At the risk of starting another battle, "heirloom" implies "open pollinated," but the reverse depends on your definition of "heirloom." -- Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/4 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:04:10 -0700 (PDT), fsadfa
wrote: I wish I knew what the "heirloom tomato" really was as it has produced fruit that is everything that exemplifies a home grown tomato with indescribably delicious complexity of taste. I don't believe heirloom tomatoes are supposed to satisfy that criteria, you can saved the seeds for next year, that is about it. There seems to be some misconception that modern hybrids were bred solely for looks and shelf life, this is of course true for some hybrids, used by commercial growers. But the other side of the coin is that another group of hybrids have been bred solely for taste for the home gardener, that are far superior in taste to any heirlooms. The hybrids took over pretty quickly when introduced was no accident, they are better in every way, but you have to pay for the seeds every year. I do not think you understood at all what I posted. I don't care what variety the tomato I grew was - whether heirloom or hybrid - I just want it identified. I have not praised hybrids or heirlooms over each other, and place my interest in flavor above all. It does me no good if a tomato withstands all blights and predation only to produce cardboard fruit. Similarly, I get no benefit from a potentially delicious fruit that never gets to ripen on the vine. Although I am an inveterate seed saver and known to toss any sort of kitchen seed or pit into the dirt in an attempt to coax germination, I am also savvy enough to buy cheap seeds when the opportunity presents itself. Really, it isn't that large a part of my gardening budget that it concerns me in the least. I have a date palm growing...the pit came from a piece of fruit was on a breakfast plate at a hotel in Las Vegas last spring. That's my kind of fun. Boron |
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Boron Elgar wrote: On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:04:10 -0700 (PDT), fsadfa wrote: I wish I knew what the "heirloom tomato" really was as it has produced fruit that is everything that exemplifies a home grown tomato with indescribably delicious complexity of taste. I don't believe heirloom tomatoes are supposed to satisfy that criteria, you can saved the seeds for next year, that is about it. There seems to be some misconception that modern hybrids were bred solely for looks and shelf life, this is of course true for some hybrids, used by commercial growers. But the other side of the coin is that another group of hybrids have been bred solely for taste for the home gardener, that are far superior in taste to any heirlooms. The hybrids took over pretty quickly when introduced was no accident, they are better in every way, but you have to pay for the seeds every year. I do not think you understood at all what I posted. I don't care what variety the tomato I grew was - whether heirloom or hybrid - I just want it identified. I have not praised hybrids or heirlooms over each other, and place my interest in flavor above all. It does me no good if a tomato withstands all blights and predation only to produce cardboard fruit. Similarly, I get no benefit from a potentially delicious fruit that never gets to ripen on the vine. Although I am an inveterate seed saver and known to toss any sort of kitchen seed or pit into the dirt in an attempt to coax germination, I am also savvy enough to buy cheap seeds when the opportunity presents itself. Really, it isn't that large a part of my gardening budget that it concerns me in the least. I have a date palm growing...the pit came from a piece of fruit was on a breakfast plate at a hotel in Las Vegas last spring. That's my kind of fun. Boron How nice for you. I presume that your unidentified "heirloom" tomato is still in production, it being only the 25th of Aug., and still full summer here in the northern hemisphere. I realize that a person of your experience doesn't require assistance, so just let me answer this question for others who may encounter this problem, but who don't have your wealth of knowledge. I have suggestions as to what you can do with your tomatoes. The most productive one would be to take a tomato and a leaf to a local nursery to try and match it, or as Susan "The Cook" would suggest, your local ag. extension office. http://www.csrees.usda.gov/Extension/index.html No anecdotes required. OK, at ease. If you got 'em, plant 'em. -- - Billy Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans "appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of waste, fraud and abuse." http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/ [W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it's not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That's hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don't get away with no taxation. - Ralph Nader http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:26:05 -0700, Billy
wrote: In article , Boron Elgar wrote: On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:04:10 -0700 (PDT), fsadfa I don't care what variety the tomato I grew was - whether heirloom or hybrid - I just want it identified. How nice for you. Likewise, I am sure. I presume that your unidentified "heirloom" tomato is still in production, it being only the 25th of Aug., and still full summer here in the northern hemisphere. The heirloom is spent and has been for almost 2 weeks. Late blight got to it early, actually, and it spread from that to other plants near by, taking out several others, but I have another patch of different varieties far from it. Northern NJ here. Great summer for tomatoes.. Never had so many tomatoes so early in the season. Most grown from seed sewn directly in the soil. I have great luck with that. The "heirloom" and Mortgage Lifter were purchased as plants, though. Go on with your exposition, I am sure someone is listening. Boron |
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