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So, my tomatoes did good. But morning glories took over again.

And killed the corn.

green beans survived. on a fence.

eggplant excellent.

peppers excellent

no bug issues.

I've got worms and toads back in play.

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.


Diesel.

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DogDiesel wrote:
So, my tomatoes did good. But morning glories took over again.

And killed the corn.

green beans survived. on a fence.

eggplant excellent.

peppers excellent

no bug issues.

I've got worms and toads back in play.

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.


Diesel.

1) Cut them or pull them out regularly

2) Apply glyphosate

3) Both

D

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DogDiesel wrote:

So, my tomatoes did good. But morning glories took over again.

And killed the corn.

eek!


green beans survived. on a fence.

eggplant excellent.

peppers excellent

no bug issues.

:) yay!


I've got worms and toads back in play.

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.

are these the kind that are an annual
as seeds and have come back each year
since then or are these a wild variety
perennial variety or ?


songbird

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DogDiesel wrote:
So, my tomatoes did good. But morning glories took over again.

And killed the corn.

green beans survived. on a fence.

eggplant excellent.

peppers excellent

no bug issues.

I've got worms and toads back in play.

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.

If they are coming from a neighbors yard, using a sharp spade to root cut at the
property line would probably help. Even better would be a root barrier.

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"songbird" wrote in message
...
DogDiesel wrote:

So, my tomatoes did good. But morning glories took over again.

And killed the corn.

eek!


green beans survived. on a fence.

eggplant excellent.

peppers excellent

no bug issues.

:) yay!


I've got worms and toads back in play.

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.

are these the kind that are an annual
as seeds and have come back each year
since then or are these a wild variety
perennial variety or ?


songbird

They come back every year for about 20 years now. I got them from horse
manure from horses eating in open fields.,

They're purple and white flowers.

I guess wild.

I weed sprayed them numerous times up to about 5 or six years ago.

I've mowed there and let grass grow for years.

They never went away.

Soon as I start gardening, they come back with a vengeance.

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"Derald" wrote in message
...

"DogDiesel" wrote:

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.
Pull them early and pull them often. The seedlings are easy to spot. This
is some else's photo of some "improved" variety but seedlings of the
noxious
natives look very similar:
http://aardvarque.com/2006/11/27/DSCN2032.JPG/view
--
Derald
FL USDA zone 9a
http://www.onlineconversion.com/


They even took over my mulch bin. I cant see it.

But a scrap tomato plant is growing there , I threw in there last year. and
the tomatoes are awesome.

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On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 03:31:46 -0400, "DogDiesel"
wrote:


"Derald" wrote in message
...

"DogDiesel" wrote:

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.
Pull them early and pull them often. The seedlings are easy to spot. This
is some else's photo of some "improved" variety but seedlings of the
noxious
natives look very similar:
http://aardvarque.com/2006/11/27/DSCN2032.JPG/view
--
Derald
FL USDA zone 9a
http://www.onlineconversion.com/


They even took over my mulch bin. I cant see it.

But a scrap tomato plant is growing there , I threw in there last year. and
the tomatoes are awesome.



You have to pull them up or spray them before they set seeds. The
earlier the better. Earlier is also easier to pull up. And never
turn them under.
--
USA
North Carolina Foothills
USDA Zone 7a
To find your extension office
http://www.csrees.usda.gov/Extension/index.html

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"The Cook" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 03:31:46 -0400, "DogDiesel"
wrote:


"Derald" wrote in message
...

"DogDiesel" wrote:

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.
Pull them early and pull them often. The seedlings are easy to spot.
This
is some else's photo of some "improved" variety but seedlings of the
noxious
natives look very similar:
http://aardvarque.com/2006/11/27/DSCN2032.JPG/view
--
Derald
FL USDA zone 9a
http://www.onlineconversion.com/


They even took over my mulch bin. I cant see it.

But a scrap tomato plant is growing there , I threw in there last year.
and
the tomatoes are awesome.



You have to pull them up or spray them before they set seeds. The
earlier the better. Earlier is also easier to pull up. And never
turn them under.
--
USA
North Carolina Foothills
USDA Zone 7a
To find your extension office
http://www.csrees.usda.gov/Extension/index.html


Yes, well, they been turned under numerous times.

What really killed it this year is I got sick for three weeks and let
it go.

I could of done a better job.

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In article ,
says...
So, my tomatoes did good. But morning glories took over again.

And killed the corn.

green beans survived. on a fence.

eggplant excellent.

peppers excellent

no bug issues.

I've got worms and toads back in play.

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.


Diesel.

Do you mean ipomoea, calystegia or convolvulus arvensis, or a
combination of all three? (morning glory, false bindweed, field
bindweed)(know your enemy))

We have all three but we -like- morning glories.

With mowing, weed whacking and weeding along with keeping a number of
garden thugs where we neither weed, weed whack or mow, all three
convolvulus types stay under relatively good control. ---YMMV, but we
feel no need to use glyphosate as David suggested and morning glories on
the rabbit fence around the vegetable garden impresses neighbours and
garden tourists.

Inventiveness, diligent weeding and preventing the vines from scattering
seed matters.

There is a reserve of dormant seed in the soil ...and arvensis seed can
germinate after 28 years in the soil.

---That would be right after you've used a toxin, think your garden is
free and clear, and believe you don't have to keep weeding.

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In article ,
says...


They come back every year for about 20 years now. I got them from horse
manure from horses eating in open fields.,

They're purple and white flowers.

I guess wild.

I weed sprayed them numerous times up to about 5 or six years ago.

I've mowed there and let grass grow for years.

They never went away.

Soon as I start gardening, they come back with a vengeance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convolvulus

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In article ,
phorbin wrote:



We have all three but we -like- morning glories.


Morning glories make great cut flowers. Drape a vine off a shelf and
it adds another dimension to your space. Very Japanese tea aesthetic.

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden

http://www.wordnik.com/

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In article ,
says...

phorbin wrote:

Do you mean ipomoea, calystegia or convolvulus arvensis, or a
combination of all three? (morning glory, false bindweed, field
bindweed)(know your enemy))

We have all three but we -like- morning glories.

It seems to me that you put too fine a point on it: All are Convolvulaceae.
The differences among them are purely academic. All have the same invasive
growth habit. I don't believe most people can or do distinguish among them. I
can't speak for anyone else but I certainly make no distinction when pulling the
seedlings. Many (if not most), including some morning glories, are classified as
invasive noxious weeds by USDA and among the states and for good reason. Some of
us do not "like" morning glories.

Maybe so, but arvensis, is a tough persistent perennial and the worst of
the lot in our zone 5 climate. It's the weed we work hardest on.

I figure that if you don't know the enemy you wind up in one kind of
trouble or another either working too hard or not hard enough.

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"phorbin" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...


They come back every year for about 20 years now. I got them from
horse
manure from horses eating in open fields.,

They're purple and white flowers.

I guess wild.

I weed sprayed them numerous times up to about 5 or six years ago.

I've mowed there and let grass grow for years.

They never went away.

Soon as I start gardening, they come back with a vengeance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convolvulus



Bingo, I got four different color ones. The bind weed, the dwarf , and two
others .

Diesel.

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"phorbin" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

phorbin wrote:

Do you mean ipomoea, calystegia or convolvulus arvensis, or a
combination of all three? (morning glory, false bindweed, field
bindweed)(know your enemy))

We have all three but we -like- morning glories.

It seems to me that you put too fine a point on it: All are
Convolvulaceae.
The differences among them are purely academic. All have the same
invasive
growth habit. I don't believe most people can or do distinguish among
them. I
can't speak for anyone else but I certainly make no distinction when
pulling the
seedlings. Many (if not most), including some morning glories, are
classified as
invasive noxious weeds by USDA and among the states and for good reason.
Some of
us do not "like" morning glories.

Maybe so, but arvensis, is a tough persistent perennial and the worst of
the lot in our zone 5 climate. It's the weed we work hardest on.

I figure that if you don't know the enemy you wind up in one kind of
trouble or another either working too hard or not hard enough.


I've got four different colors , now that I got this reference. white
bindweed , the dwarf tri color one. a purple one . pinkish one,

Diesel.

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DogDiesel wrote:
"phorbin" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...


They come back every year for about 20 years now. I got them from
horse
manure from horses eating in open fields.,

They're purple and white flowers.

I guess wild.

I weed sprayed them numerous times up to about 5 or six years ago.

I've mowed there and let grass grow for years.

They never went away.

Soon as I start gardening, they come back with a vengeance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convolvulus



Bingo, I got four different color ones. The bind weed, the dwarf ,
and two others .


I've found that a couple applications of roundup take care of them.

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DogDiesel wrote:
"Derald" wrote in message
...

"DogDiesel" wrote:

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.
Pull them early and pull them often. The seedlings are easy to spot.
This is some else's photo of some "improved" variety but seedlings
of the noxious
natives look very similar:
http://aardvarque.com/2006/11/27/DSCN2032.JPG/view
--
Derald
FL USDA zone 9a
http://www.onlineconversion.com/


They even took over my mulch bin. I cant see it.

If you just let them go, I guess you will have a problem.


But a scrap tomato plant is growing there , I threw in there last
year. and the tomatoes are awesome.

Big garden fail again.
 

"DogDiesel" wrote in message
...

"phorbin" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

phorbin wrote:

Do you mean ipomoea, calystegia or convolvulus arvensis, or a
combination of all three? (morning glory, false bindweed, field
bindweed)(know your enemy))

We have all three but we -like- morning glories.

It seems to me that you put too fine a point on it: All are
Convolvulaceae.
The differences among them are purely academic. All have the same
invasive
growth habit. I don't believe most people can or do distinguish among
them. I
can't speak for anyone else but I certainly make no distinction when
pulling the
seedlings. Many (if not most), including some morning glories, are
classified as
invasive noxious weeds by USDA and among the states and for good reason.
Some of
us do not "like" morning glories.

Maybe so, but arvensis, is a tough persistent perennial and the worst of
the lot in our zone 5 climate. It's the weed we work hardest on.

I figure that if you don't know the enemy you wind up in one kind of
trouble or another either working too hard or not hard enough.


I've got four different colors , now that I got this reference. white
bindweed , the dwarf tri color one. a purple one . pinkish one,

Diesel.



I found an orange one at a friends place yesterday. The blossom is smaller
but bright orange. I was tempted to look for seed but the leaves and vining
habit warned me away. Isn't sweet potato in the same family?
Steve

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On Sep 6, 9:04*pm, Derald wrote:
"Steve Peek" wrote:
Isn't sweet potato in the same family?

* * * * Yes, all of the plants under discussion are in the same family, the
Convolvulaceae. Sweet potato is an ipomoea. A morning glory. Sweet potato
blossoms are big and showy sort of purpley magenta like some morning glories. I
don't know how far north they grow.
--
Derald
FL USDA zone 9ahttp://www.onlineconversion.com/

North to the 48th parallel I can attest to. My wide got some to grow
for the first time on her arbor this year.

Convolvulaceae, the vines of the serpent. AKA ololiuqui, a
hallucinogenic. Its reportedly the shaman's LSD used to consult with
the Oracle or the devil depending on who you consult.

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"Derald" wrote in message
m...

"Steve Peek" wrote:

Isn't sweet potato in the same family?
Yes, all of the plants under discussion are in the same family, the
Convolvulaceae. Sweet potato is an ipomoea. A morning glory. Sweet potato
blossoms are big and showy sort of purpley magenta like some morning
glories. I
don't know how far north they grow.
--
Derald
FL USDA zone 9a
http://www.onlineconversion.com/

I grow sweet potatoes here in WNC. Last year's giant was almost 9 pounds,
not large as sweet potatoes go, but a respectable one for the mountains.

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"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Sep 6, 9:04 pm, Derald wrote:
"Steve Peek" wrote:
Isn't sweet potato in the same family?

Yes, all of the plants under discussion are in the same family, the
Convolvulaceae. Sweet potato is an ipomoea. A morning glory. Sweet potato
blossoms are big and showy sort of purpley magenta like some morning
glories. I
don't know how far north they grow.
--
Derald
FL USDA zone 9ahttp://www.onlineconversion.com/

North to the 48th parallel I can attest to. My wide got some to grow
for the first time on her arbor this year.

Convolvulaceae, the vines of the serpent. AKA ololiuqui, a
hallucinogenic. Its reportedly the shaman's LSD used to consult with
the Oracle or the devil depending on who you consult.


Awesome....

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"Derald" wrote in message
m...

"Steve Peek" wrote:

I grow sweet potatoes here in WNC. Last year's giant was almost 9 pounds,
not large as sweet potatoes go, but a respectable one for the mountains.
Nine pounds seems respectable for anyplace, in my book. I quit trying to
grow sweet potatoes down here because they fall prey to too many boring
insects
and to earwigs. I guess if I started them early enough I might have some
chance
of getting a few before the onslaught. I know folks in GA, SC, and eastern
VA
that do well with sweet potatoes.
WNC? Where are you relative to, say Spruce Pine, Johnson City, Burnsville,
etc.?
--
Derald
FL USDA zone 9a
http://www.onlineconversion.com/

Just a bit southwest, closer to Asheville actually.

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Steve Peek wrote:
....
Just a bit southwest, closer to Asheville actually.

i lived in Asheville for a few weeks and ended up
renting a place just over the hills near Elizabethton,
TN. visited Asheville a few times and always enjoyed
my times there.


songbird

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"songbird" wrote in message
...
Steve Peek wrote:
...
Just a bit southwest, closer to Asheville actually.

i lived in Asheville for a few weeks and ended up
renting a place just over the hills near Elizabethton,
TN. visited Asheville a few times and always enjoyed
my times there.


songbird

Asheville is unusual, a liberal boat in a sea of conservatism.

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On Sep 5, 10:23*pm, "DogDiesel" wrote:
So, my tomatoes did good. But morning glories took over again.

And killed the corn.

green beans *survived. *on a fence.

eggplant excellent.

peppers excellent

no bug issues.

I've got worms and toads back in play.

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.

Diesel.

Wow, you're having better luck than I am. I have a single misshapen
cucumber.

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"TMD" wrote in message
...
On Sep 5, 10:23 pm, "DogDiesel" wrote:
So, my tomatoes did good. But morning glories took over again.

And killed the corn.

green beans survived. on a fence.

eggplant excellent.

peppers excellent

no bug issues.

I've got worms and toads back in play.

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.

Diesel.

Wow, you're having better luck than I am. I have a single misshapen
cucumber.

Thanks.

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On Sep 5, 10:23*pm, "DogDiesel" wrote:
So, my tomatoes did good. But morning glories took over again.

And killed the corn.

green beans *survived. *on a fence.

eggplant excellent.

peppers excellent

no bug issues.

I've got worms and toads back in play.

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.

Diesel.

Newsgroups are a great way to discuss topics. In this case, the topic
is general gardening

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On Sep 5, 7:23*pm, "DogDiesel" wrote:
So, my tomatoes did good. But morning glories took over again.

And killed the corn.

green beans *survived. *on a fence.

eggplant excellent.

peppers excellent

no bug issues.

I've got worms and toads back in play.

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.

Diese

Sorry to have posted on here I have no clue as to what can help. this
is my college home work to relpy to your post...sorry again

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In article ,
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:

wrote:
On Sep 5, 10:23 pm, "DogDiesel" wrote:
So, my tomatoes did good. But morning glories took over again.

And killed the corn.

green beans survived. on a fence.

eggplant excellent.

peppers excellent

no bug issues.

I've got worms and toads back in play.

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.

Diesel.

Newsgroups are a great way to discuss topics. In this case, the topic
is general gardening

Morning glory is a plant, so dealing with unwanted ones is on topic.
Perhaps you were thinking of when you (or the one next to you) wakes up with
an erection. Roundup is no use but you could try a weed-wacka.

David

Some how I can't imagine morning glories taking over a garden that is
looked over. Do you go away for long periods? I'm not being critical.
I'm just trying to understand the problem.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it¹s not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That¹s hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don¹t get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis

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Billy wrote:
In article ,
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:

wrote:
On Sep 5, 10:23 pm, "DogDiesel" wrote:
So, my tomatoes did good. But morning glories took over again.

And killed the corn.

green beans survived. on a fence.

eggplant excellent.

peppers excellent

no bug issues.

I've got worms and toads back in play.

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.

Diesel.

Newsgroups are a great way to discuss topics. In this case, the
topic is general gardening

Morning glory is a plant, so dealing with unwanted ones is on topic.
Perhaps you were thinking of when you (or the one next to you) wakes
up with an erection. Roundup is no use but you could try a
weed-wacka.

David

Some how I can't imagine morning glories taking over a garden that is
looked over. Do you go away for long periods? I'm not being critical.
I'm just trying to understand the problem.

As Diesel said you got to get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

D

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Derald wrote:

I find "rec.gardens.edible" to be rather specific appellation. Seems to me
that controlling morning glories in a -vegetable- garden quite satisfies that
specificity.

In the part snipped the morning glories took over and strangled the
edible plants. It's possible for a garden to hold both types.

I recently read that sweet potatoes are broadly classed as morning
glories. I was barely aware they weren't in the nightshade family
before that.

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In article ,
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Derald wrote:

I find "rec.gardens.edible" to be rather specific appellation. Seems to me
that controlling morning glories in a -vegetable- garden quite satisfies
that
specificity.

In the part snipped the morning glories took over and strangled the
edible plants. It's possible for a garden to hold both types.

I recently read that sweet potatoes are broadly classed as morning
glories. I was barely aware they weren't in the nightshade family
before that.

Guess you know that sweet potatoes leaves can be used like spinach.

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden

http://www.wordnik.com/

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In article ,
Derald wrote:

Bill who putters wrote:

Guess you know that sweet potatoes leaves can be used like spinach.
Never heard that. I gave up growing sweet potatoes long ago because of
their vulnerability to insect pests: Down here, borers and earwigs eat the
tubers while grasshoppers eat the leaves, LOL! If the price keeps going up (I
can't believe I typed "if..."), I may try them again but in containers. The
grasshoppers don't know it yet but a surprise awaits them next season:
http://www.planetnatural.com/site/semaspore-grasshopper-bait.html.

Look at.

http://goo.gl/ch6BO

All sorts of recipes. Enjoy.

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden

http://www.wordnik.com/

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Bill who putters wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

I recently read that sweet potatoes are broadly classed as morning
glories. I was barely aware they weren't in the nightshade family
before that.

Guess you know that sweet potatoes leaves can be used like spinach.

I do now. Back when I thought that sweet potatoes were potatoes and
thus nightshades I never would have imagined it. The leaves of
nightshade family plants are so varied I would have no idea and no
specific reason to look up the botany article on sweet potatoes.

Huh, so morning glories taking over the garden does still count as all
in the edible topic. I don't recall ever tasting the leaves of a
morning glory flower.

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wrote in message
...
On Sep 5, 10:23 pm, "DogDiesel" wrote:
So, my tomatoes did good. But morning glories took over again.

And killed the corn.

green beans survived. on a fence.

eggplant excellent.

peppers excellent

no bug issues.

I've got worms and toads back in play.

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.

Diesel.

Newsgroups are a great way to discuss topics. In this case, the topic
is general gardening


The topic is big garden fail , you retard.

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"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:

wrote:
On Sep 5, 10:23 pm, "DogDiesel" wrote:
So, my tomatoes did good. But morning glories took over again.

And killed the corn.

green beans survived. on a fence.

eggplant excellent.

peppers excellent

no bug issues.

I've got worms and toads back in play.

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.

Diesel.

Newsgroups are a great way to discuss topics. In this case, the topic
is general gardening

Morning glory is a plant, so dealing with unwanted ones is on topic.
Perhaps you were thinking of when you (or the one next to you) wakes up
with
an erection. Roundup is no use but you could try a weed-wacka.

David

Some how I can't imagine morning glories taking over a garden that is
looked over. Do you go away for long periods? I'm not being critical.
I'm just trying to understand the problem.
--



I got sick for three weeks is the excuse.
Saying that, I didnt completely covere the garden with weed fabric and hay.
Because its a bear to get the plants through the fabric. The morning
glories have been a long term 20 year battle. Theyre everywhere. not just in
my garden.

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In article ,
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:

Billy wrote:
In article ,
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:

wrote:
On Sep 5, 10:23 pm, "DogDiesel" wrote:
So, my tomatoes did good. But morning glories took over again.

And killed the corn.

green beans survived. on a fence.

eggplant excellent.

peppers excellent

no bug issues.

I've got worms and toads back in play.

But I cant get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

Suggestions.

Diesel.

Newsgroups are a great way to discuss topics. In this case, the
topic is general gardening

Morning glory is a plant, so dealing with unwanted ones is on topic.
Perhaps you were thinking of when you (or the one next to you) wakes
up with an erection. Roundup is no use but you could try a
weed-wacka.

David

Some how I can't imagine morning glories taking over a garden that is
looked over. Do you go away for long periods? I'm not being critical.
I'm just trying to understand the problem.

As Diesel said you got to get a grip on these F-ing morning glories.

D

Uh huh.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it¹s not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That¹s hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don¹t get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis