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songbird[_2_] 01-10-2017 02:43 PM

october already!
 
i'm not sure where September went. too quickly
by for sure...

garden news, still working on the first strawberry
patch. we had hot enough weather that i didn't
accomplish much last week. finally we catch a few
days of cooler weather with some rains. not that
it helped make the subsoil i'm removing any easier
to break up. stuff is like concrete. no surprise
the strawberries in there didn't do that great, but
the subsoil is a foot and a half down, the top layer
wasn't too bad.

i'm going that deep because i've wanted to lower
this patch ever since it has been there. no reason
to mound it up really other than a few flash floods
which don't last long enough and aren't a bother to
strawberries anyways. should have the flash flooding
under control well enough anyways now.

and i can move the tulips out of there that i've
already dug up several times, but always miss a few.
i suspect i may still miss a few anyways... and some
deep rooted weeds that are best removed carefully by
hand so as to not break up chunks of the root which
can regrow (sow-thistle, one of the worst garden
weeds for clay).

yesterday i finally filled in the center part i'd
dug out and it is already replanted. filled it in
with a mix of sand, stuff that needs to rot eventually
(bean shells and squash vines/leaves), and stuff that
is already mostly rotted (wood chips/pine needles)
along with some of the existing clay (about 1/4).

now i won't need a pickaxe to weed it and if i've
missed any of the sow-thistle root pieces it won't
be so hard to get the rest out of there.

mainly though, i get to redo the edge of the patch
so i don't need to crawl over or around rocks to get
in there to pick or weed. there's way too many ankle
breaking/twisting rock edges as it is. i'm gonna
flatten this puppy out and give me spaces to go through
and figure out something else to do with the rocks...
the stepping stones i already have are flat enough.

i still have wheelbarrows of dirt/subsoil to move
and as usual one project begets another. i've been
scraping some of the old decayed woodchips from the
garden where the lima beans are growing. and there's
yet another ankle breaking/twisting rock trench along
there that is begging to be dealt with. so... i'm
going to remove the rocks and fill it in so it will
be brought up to the level of the neighboring path
and the whole area will be a garden i can have
several rows of beans/peas or whatever instead of a
narrow strip surrounded by woodchip mulch (not very
productive use of the space before, but it was a
flower garden that has been removed and turned into
veggie production now). that's a few hundred more
square feet of full sun space and the soil is very
nice in there already. i'll use some of the
decayed wood chips in there too, but most of them
are going to end up in the strawberry patch as i
will then not need to do anything in there for a few
years other than to weed and top off a little at
the end of the season (after the ground freezes).

at least that is the plan...

today a little painting too, the garage sill i
put in this past spring is holding up and sticking
well, a few very tiny cracks are showing from the
differences in cement batches i did when i was
putting it down (hand mixing in small amounts i
couldn't get it all mixed and placed at once). it
needs to be protected before the winter gets here
and we start dripping muddy/salty water on it...
hopefully three coats will do it (or until the
quart of paint runs out).

in other news, still picking and shelling beans,
the rains we so sorely needed were not really wanted
now with the beans finishing up, but that is usual
for me and the later fall. the push-pull of wanting
rains because when it is too dry some of the gardens
are too hard to do much with (the rest are much
nicer now after years of planting, amending and
giving the worms plenty to work with) and the desire
for things to be dry so that the beans won't rot or
start sprouting in the pods before i can get them
picked. it really hasn't been a great year for the
beans. strange weather, high heat, storms at just
the wrong times, cold spells, etc... the plight of
a gardener. :) i have planted enough varieties that
i'm getting some return for my efforts but it is a
fraction of what a normal year can be like (was hoping
for between 50-100 lbs, will be more like 30lbs) most
plants the pods are empty or only a few pods have
beans. at least the ones i was most worried about
not having anything from i have been able to find
some pods with beans in them now to restock a little
of the seed supply. they are a very nice thin green
bean and the seeds are long and narrow and they are
apparently very finicky about setting seeds. i
could have eaten a lot more of the beans but i left
almost all of them because i wanted to restock the
seed supply.

tomatoes are done and gone, the plants need to be
taken down and buried. peppers are still doing ok.
there should be a few red ones out there to harvest
in a few days. squash is in and curing. we had
a wheelbarrow full (much better than five wheelbarrows
full). the quality is overall very good compared to
last season. only two that i've noticed will have to
be cooked up right away (instead of several dozen).
not having much rain the past month and a half kept
the fungi from doing much or even starting up at all.

ok, enough rambles, time to get busy, ...


songbird

George Shirley[_3_] 01-10-2017 03:04 PM

october already!
 
On 10/1/2017 8:43 AM, songbird wrote:
i'm not sure where September went. too quickly
by for sure...

Everything gets faster when you're aging. September was a good month for
us, I turned 78, wife got the fall garden, such as it is, in, the
kumquats are still getting bigger, the ten or eleven pears on the tree
are getting larger, my back still hurts. G

garden news, still working on the first strawberry
patch. we had hot enough weather that i didn't
accomplish much last week. finally we catch a few
days of cooler weather with some rains. not that
it helped make the subsoil i'm removing any easier
to break up. stuff is like concrete. no surprise
the strawberries in there didn't do that great, but
the subsoil is a foot and a half down, the top layer
wasn't too bad.

Hot weather, move to this part of Texas,we had several days at 100F or a
little more. Not all together but maybe once or twice a week. We're used
to it and we have air conditioning that is wonderful.

i'm going that deep because i've wanted to lower
this patch ever since it has been there. no reason
to mound it up really other than a few flash floods
which don't last long enough and aren't a bother to
strawberries anyways. should have the flash flooding
under control well enough anyways now.

Lots of flooding in Harris Cty, TX. Thankfully we bought a house on high
ground, 60 inches of rain that didn't bother us and watered the garden,
never lost power, water, etc. Sturdy house on a high spot, thank
goodness for that.

and i can move the tulips out of there that i've
already dug up several times, but always miss a few.
i suspect i may still miss a few anyways... and some
deep rooted weeds that are best removed carefully by
hand so as to not break up chunks of the root which
can regrow (sow-thistle, one of the worst garden
weeds for clay).

Wife loves tulips, alas, they don't grow well here, probably due to heat
and underground critters.

yesterday i finally filled in the center part i'd
dug out and it is already replanted. filled it in
with a mix of sand, stuff that needs to rot eventually
(bean shells and squash vines/leaves), and stuff that
is already mostly rotted (wood chips/pine needles)
along with some of the existing clay (about 1/4).

You must really like gardening for all the work you do. I'm glad I'm to
old for that stuff anymore. G

now i won't need a pickaxe to weed it and if i've
missed any of the sow-thistle root pieces it won't
be so hard to get the rest out of there.

mainly though, i get to redo the edge of the patch
so i don't need to crawl over or around rocks to get
in there to pick or weed. there's way too many ankle
breaking/twisting rock edges as it is. i'm gonna
flatten this puppy out and give me spaces to go through
and figure out something else to do with the rocks...
the stepping stones i already have are flat enough.

We have stones too, the last couple to own this house left a big pile of
river run rocks from somewhere. They're sitting in a big tub in the
garage (actually a storage garage as no cars get to go in it) until she
can figure out how to use them. Hopefully not thrown at me.

i still have wheelbarrows of dirt/subsoil to move
and as usual one project begets another. i've been
scraping some of the old decayed woodchips from the
garden where the lima beans are growing. and there's
yet another ankle breaking/twisting rock trench along
there that is begging to be dealt with. so... i'm
going to remove the rocks and fill it in so it will
be brought up to the level of the neighboring path
and the whole area will be a garden i can have
several rows of beans/peas or whatever instead of a
narrow strip surrounded by woodchip mulch (not very
productive use of the space before, but it was a
flower garden that has been removed and turned into
veggie production now). that's a few hundred more
square feet of full sun space and the soil is very
nice in there already. i'll use some of the
decayed wood chips in there too, but most of them
are going to end up in the strawberry patch as i
will then not need to do anything in there for a few
years other than to weed and top off a little at
the end of the season (after the ground freezes).

at least that is the plan...

We have lots of dirt in a bag, called "Black Cow." I think she thinks it
is fertilizer, probably from helping me clean out the milking stall when
we had a cow. She still smiles a lot when she can get cow crap for her
garden.

today a little painting too, the garage sill i
put in this past spring is holding up and sticking
well, a few very tiny cracks are showing from the
differences in cement batches i did when i was
putting it down (hand mixing in small amounts i
couldn't get it all mixed and placed at once). it
needs to be protected before the winter gets here
and we start dripping muddy/salty water on it...
hopefully three coats will do it (or until the
quart of paint runs out).

We're repainting rooms that have colors that make my artist wife flinch
at times. One room at a time and very slowly. The artist really comes
out when we're painting rooms. I just brush it on and move on, she takes
great detail.

in other news, still picking and shelling beans,
the rains we so sorely needed were not really wanted
now with the beans finishing up, but that is usual
for me and the later fall. the push-pull of wanting
rains because when it is too dry some of the gardens
are too hard to do much with (the rest are much
nicer now after years of planting, amending and
giving the worms plenty to work with) and the desire
for things to be dry so that the beans won't rot or
start sprouting in the pods before i can get them
picked. it really hasn't been a great year for the
beans. strange weather, high heat, storms at just
the wrong times, cold spells, etc... the plight of
a gardener. :) i have planted enough varieties that
i'm getting some return for my efforts but it is a
fraction of what a normal year can be like (was hoping
for between 50-100 lbs, will be more like 30lbs) most
plants the pods are empty or only a few pods have
beans. at least the ones i was most worried about
not having anything from i have been able to find
some pods with beans in them now to restock a little
of the seed supply. they are a very nice thin green
bean and the seeds are long and narrow and they are
apparently very finicky about setting seeds. i
could have eaten a lot more of the beans but i left
almost all of them because i wanted to restock the
seed supply.

We mostly grow green beans as we like those a lot and, normally, we can
get a fall crop too.

tomatoes are done and gone, the plants need to be
taken down and buried. peppers are still doing ok.
there should be a few red ones out there to harvest
in a few days. squash is in and curing. we had
a wheelbarrow full (much better than five wheelbarrows
full). the quality is overall very good compared to
last season. only two that i've noticed will have to
be cooked up right away (instead of several dozen).
not having much rain the past month and a half kept
the fungi from doing much or even starting up at all.

ok, enough rambles, time to get busy, ...


songbird

We still have two pepper plants that are producing fruit but the fruit
doesn't get very big. She just can't stand pulling up and composting
anything that might have a leaf or a fruit. G I buy my peppers at the
market, great, big, red peppers that are crunchy.

George

Terry Coombs 01-10-2017 03:41 PM

october already!
 
On 10/1/2017 8:43 AM, songbird wrote:

in other news, still picking and shelling beans,
the rains we so sorely needed were not really wanted
now with the beans finishing up, but that is usual
for me and the later fall. the push-pull of wanting
rains because when it is too dry some of the gardens
are too hard to do much with (the rest are much
nicer now after years of planting, amending and
giving the worms plenty to work with) and the desire
for things to be dry so that the beans won't rot or
start sprouting in the pods before i can get them
picked. it really hasn't been a great year for the
beans. strange weather, high heat, storms at just
the wrong times, cold spells, etc... the plight of
a gardener. :) i have planted enough varieties that
i'm getting some return for my efforts but it is a
fraction of what a normal year can be like (was hoping
for between 50-100 lbs, will be more like 30lbs) most
plants the pods are empty or only a few pods have
beans. at least the ones i was most worried about
not having anything from i have been able to find
some pods with beans in them now to restock a little
of the seed supply. they are a very nice thin green
bean and the seeds are long and narrow and they are
apparently very finicky about setting seeds. i
could have eaten a lot more of the beans but i left
almost all of them because i wanted to restock the
seed supply.


ok, enough rambles, time to get busy, ...


songbird


Â* While you're on beans ... I'll be getting a package of seed off to
you soon , just a few more days to finish picking this year's field peas
.. Nothing did well here but the Red Rippers , which is the only variety
I'll plant next year . I'll send whatever else (along with some fresh RR
seed) I've got , including some of the bush beans we discussed earlier .
If there's anything else you'd like , I'll send some if I got it .

Â* --

Â* Snag


songbird[_2_] 01-10-2017 08:33 PM

october already!
 
Terry Coombs wrote:
....
Â* While you're on beans ... I'll be getting a package of seed off to
you soon , just a few more days to finish picking this year's field peas
. Nothing did well here but the Red Rippers , which is the only variety
I'll plant next year . I'll send whatever else (along with some fresh RR
seed) I've got , including some of the bush beans we discussed earlier .
If there's anything else you'd like , I'll send some if I got it .


no field peas thanks, none have ever done well
up here (or anything in that family including
adzuki beans which i really like :( ).

you did finally get an e-mail from me then?
i wasn't sure what happened there, and gave up.

no worries and no rush. i won't be planting
until next April/May.

what kinds of other beans do you grow? it's
really been an interesting season this time
around.

*waiting for paint to dry before the last coat
of the day*


songbird

songbird[_2_] 01-10-2017 11:32 PM

october already!
 
George Shirley wrote:
On 10/1/2017 8:43 AM, songbird wrote:
i'm not sure where September went. too quickly
by for sure...


Everything gets faster when you're aging. September was a good month for
us, I turned 78, wife got the fall garden, such as it is, in, the
kumquats are still getting bigger, the ten or eleven pears on the tree
are getting larger, my back still hurts. G


my back doesn't hurt as much as it used to.
chiropractor and massage therapy have helped
a great deal. i'm no longer having to take
any pain meds and can sleep. considering i
was contemplating surgery it's been well worth
it.


garden news, still working on the first strawberry
patch. we had hot enough weather that i didn't
accomplish much last week. finally we catch a few
days of cooler weather with some rains. not that
it helped make the subsoil i'm removing any easier
to break up. stuff is like concrete. no surprise
the strawberries in there didn't do that great, but
the subsoil is a foot and a half down, the top layer
wasn't too bad.


Hot weather, move to this part of Texas,we had several days at 100F or a
little more. Not all together but maybe once or twice a week. We're used
to it and we have air conditioning that is wonderful.


i hate AC, but we have it here too, i would use it
a lot less, but Mom has to have it on for the hot and
humid days. when i lived in TN i had a small fan which
worked well enough for me.


and i can move the tulips out of there that i've
already dug up several times, but always miss a few.
i suspect i may still miss a few anyways... and some
deep rooted weeds that are best removed carefully by
hand so as to not break up chunks of the root which
can regrow (sow-thistle, one of the worst garden
weeds for clay).


Wife loves tulips, alas, they don't grow well here, probably due to heat
and underground critters.


i love 'em too, but they don't do well here in
most places. with the animals eating them, poor
soil, diseases, fogs... only the sturdy ones
survive. i used to have about 70 varieties. i'm
not sure what is left now - maybe half that.


yesterday i finally filled in the center part i'd
dug out and it is already replanted. filled it in
with a mix of sand, stuff that needs to rot eventually
(bean shells and squash vines/leaves), and stuff that
is already mostly rotted (wood chips/pine needles)
along with some of the existing clay (about 1/4).


You must really like gardening for all the work you do. I'm glad I'm to
old for that stuff anymore. G


it is my preferred form of exercise and no
shortage of things to do here. this year is
actually sort of strange in that i've finally
been able to get to some projects i've wanted to
do for several years. so we've caught up and
i've been able to get ahead a little for a
change.

there's always something to do though and
often one project starts a whole pile of other
ones.


now i won't need a pickaxe to weed it and if i've
missed any of the sow-thistle root pieces it won't
be so hard to get the rest out of there.

mainly though, i get to redo the edge of the patch
so i don't need to crawl over or around rocks to get
in there to pick or weed. there's way too many ankle
breaking/twisting rock edges as it is. i'm gonna
flatten this puppy out and give me spaces to go through
and figure out something else to do with the rocks...
the stepping stones i already have are flat enough.


We have stones too, the last couple to own this house left a big pile of
river run rocks from somewhere. They're sitting in a big tub in the
garage (actually a storage garage as no cars get to go in it) until she
can figure out how to use them. Hopefully not thrown at me.


we have rocks from all over the USoA that have
been collected over the years. some of them were
used to try to break in one time and another time
one was thrown through the front kitchen window.
so i always recommend bigger rocks which are much
harder to throw.

....
We have lots of dirt in a bag, called "Black Cow." I think she thinks it
is fertilizer, probably from helping me clean out the milking stall when
we had a cow. She still smiles a lot when she can get cow crap for her
garden.


composted cow crap, trace nutrients in all three
of the majors, but still better than the higher
powered fake stuff.

i used a few bags of it when i was redoing the
tulip patches. partially/mostly decayed wood
chips are a much nicer form of humus if you can
get them for free or nearly free. most of what
we've gotten has come via tree service people who
are often happy to have a close place to dump
them instead of having to go a ways.


today a little painting too, the garage sill i
put in this past spring is holding up and sticking
well, a few very tiny cracks are showing from the
differences in cement batches i did when i was
putting it down (hand mixing in small amounts i
couldn't get it all mixed and placed at once). it
needs to be protected before the winter gets here
and we start dripping muddy/salty water on it...
hopefully three coats will do it (or until the
quart of paint runs out).


We're repainting rooms that have colors that make my artist wife flinch
at times. One room at a time and very slowly. The artist really comes
out when we're painting rooms. I just brush it on and move on, she takes
great detail.


i'm very picky too. nothing complicated with the
colors here, the house was meant to be an artists
studio/gallery besides being a summer place. so all
the walls are eggshell white. the trim is red cedar.
i painted the whole thing twice and this room three
times.

....beans...
We mostly grow green beans as we like those a lot and, normally, we can
get a fall crop too.


if i have the space set aside for it i can keep
planting all season to keep fresh beans going. i
usually don't set aside space.

....
We still have two pepper plants that are producing fruit but the fruit
doesn't get very big. She just can't stand pulling up and composting
anything that might have a leaf or a fruit. G I buy my peppers at the
market, great, big, red peppers that are crunchy.


i know that feeling, i don't want to bury any
bean plants until they've completely died back.
once in a while one will flower again and try to
put on some pods.

i've not counted the red peppers but over a
hundred for sure this year. i can eat three to
five a meal. roasted is by far my favorite way
to use them. they go well on about everything.


songbird

George Shirley[_3_] 02-10-2017 12:17 AM

october already!
 
On 10/1/2017 5:32 PM, songbird wrote:
George Shirley wrote:
On 10/1/2017 8:43 AM, songbird wrote:
i'm not sure where September went. too quickly
by for sure...


Everything gets faster when you're aging. September was a good month for
us, I turned 78, wife got the fall garden, such as it is, in, the
kumquats are still getting bigger, the ten or eleven pears on the tree
are getting larger, my back still hurts. G


my back doesn't hurt as much as it used to.
chiropractor and massage therapy have helped
a great deal. i'm no longer having to take
any pain meds and can sleep. considering i
was contemplating surgery it's been well worth
it.


garden news, still working on the first strawberry
patch. we had hot enough weather that i didn't
accomplish much last week. finally we catch a few
days of cooler weather with some rains. not that
it helped make the subsoil i'm removing any easier
to break up. stuff is like concrete. no surprise
the strawberries in there didn't do that great, but
the subsoil is a foot and a half down, the top layer
wasn't too bad.


Hot weather, move to this part of Texas,we had several days at 100F or a
little more. Not all together but maybe once or twice a week. We're used
to it and we have air conditioning that is wonderful.


i hate AC, but we have it here too, i would use it
a lot less, but Mom has to have it on for the hot and
humid days. when i lived in TN i had a small fan which
worked well enough for me.


and i can move the tulips out of there that i've
already dug up several times, but always miss a few.
i suspect i may still miss a few anyways... and some
deep rooted weeds that are best removed carefully by
hand so as to not break up chunks of the root which
can regrow (sow-thistle, one of the worst garden
weeds for clay).


Wife loves tulips, alas, they don't grow well here, probably due to heat
and underground critters.


i love 'em too, but they don't do well here in
most places. with the animals eating them, poor
soil, diseases, fogs... only the sturdy ones
survive. i used to have about 70 varieties. i'm
not sure what is left now - maybe half that.


yesterday i finally filled in the center part i'd
dug out and it is already replanted. filled it in
with a mix of sand, stuff that needs to rot eventually
(bean shells and squash vines/leaves), and stuff that
is already mostly rotted (wood chips/pine needles)
along with some of the existing clay (about 1/4).


You must really like gardening for all the work you do. I'm glad I'm to
old for that stuff anymore. G


it is my preferred form of exercise and no
shortage of things to do here. this year is
actually sort of strange in that i've finally
been able to get to some projects i've wanted to
do for several years. so we've caught up and
i've been able to get ahead a little for a
change.

there's always something to do though and
often one project starts a whole pile of other
ones.


now i won't need a pickaxe to weed it and if i've
missed any of the sow-thistle root pieces it won't
be so hard to get the rest out of there.

mainly though, i get to redo the edge of the patch
so i don't need to crawl over or around rocks to get
in there to pick or weed. there's way too many ankle
breaking/twisting rock edges as it is. i'm gonna
flatten this puppy out and give me spaces to go through
and figure out something else to do with the rocks...
the stepping stones i already have are flat enough.


We have stones too, the last couple to own this house left a big pile of
river run rocks from somewhere. They're sitting in a big tub in the
garage (actually a storage garage as no cars get to go in it) until she
can figure out how to use them. Hopefully not thrown at me.


we have rocks from all over the USoA that have
been collected over the years. some of them were
used to try to break in one time and another time
one was thrown through the front kitchen window.
so i always recommend bigger rocks which are much
harder to throw.

...
We have lots of dirt in a bag, called "Black Cow." I think she thinks it
is fertilizer, probably from helping me clean out the milking stall when
we had a cow. She still smiles a lot when she can get cow crap for her
garden.


composted cow crap, trace nutrients in all three
of the majors, but still better than the higher
powered fake stuff.

i used a few bags of it when i was redoing the
tulip patches. partially/mostly decayed wood
chips are a much nicer form of humus if you can
get them for free or nearly free. most of what
we've gotten has come via tree service people who
are often happy to have a close place to dump
them instead of having to go a ways.


today a little painting too, the garage sill i
put in this past spring is holding up and sticking
well, a few very tiny cracks are showing from the
differences in cement batches i did when i was
putting it down (hand mixing in small amounts i
couldn't get it all mixed and placed at once). it
needs to be protected before the winter gets here
and we start dripping muddy/salty water on it...
hopefully three coats will do it (or until the
quart of paint runs out).


We're repainting rooms that have colors that make my artist wife flinch
at times. One room at a time and very slowly. The artist really comes
out when we're painting rooms. I just brush it on and move on, she takes
great detail.


i'm very picky too. nothing complicated with the
colors here, the house was meant to be an artists
studio/gallery besides being a summer place. so all
the walls are eggshell white. the trim is red cedar.
i painted the whole thing twice and this room three
times.

...beans...
We mostly grow green beans as we like those a lot and, normally, we can
get a fall crop too.


if i have the space set aside for it i can keep
planting all season to keep fresh beans going. i
usually don't set aside space.

...
We still have two pepper plants that are producing fruit but the fruit
doesn't get very big. She just can't stand pulling up and composting
anything that might have a leaf or a fruit. G I buy my peppers at the
market, great, big, red peppers that are crunchy.


i know that feeling, i don't want to bury any
bean plants until they've completely died back.
once in a while one will flower again and try to
put on some pods.

i've not counted the red peppers but over a
hundred for sure this year. i can eat three to
five a meal. roasted is by far my favorite way
to use them. they go well on about everything.


songbird

The ones I eat are grown in water in a glass house, about the size of a
big man's fist or a small baby's head. There is so much variety in the
weather here from day to day nothing grows like we had in Louisiana. Of
course there we gardened on REAL dirt, detritus from several millennia
of plants dying after the sea fled from the land and became the Gulf of
Mexico and then modern trees dropping leaves for more years. I miss that
soil, throw a seed in the ground and jump back. We had fruit trees,
berries along the fence, etc. etc. The folks that bought that property
were smiling a lot as they wandered the 14000 square feet property and
the big house with the garage in back. Plus a few majestic oak trees
fifty feet tall with a trunk that was large, one was twelve feet in
diameter, lots of leaves for composting. Here, a little sand on gumbo
clay and a 6500 square foot lot with a 1960 square foot house and
garage. Luckily the prices here are sky rocketing since Harvey, we have
the high ground, another five miles north of us flooded almost as bad as
Houston. What makes people build large homes on a creek where you can
look up and see the highway going by thirty feet up from the creek. It's
a wonder a bunch of wealthy people didn't drown. Drove over the bridge
there the other day and most of those creek side houses were torn up
badly. I feel sorry for a lot of these people but who the hell wants to
build a fancy home on low land in this part of Texas where it gets so
much rain. Sheesh! I may be a dumb old country boy but I know where
water wants to go, used to work in rice fields, that teaches you how
water runs. I still have good insurance but no flood insurance as we are
above the flood plain. If the water gets deep enough to flood us I'm
building an ark and gathering critters. G

George

Frank 02-10-2017 12:34 AM

october already!
 
On 10/1/2017 9:43 AM, songbird wrote:
i'm not sure where September went. too quickly
by for sure...

garden news, still working on the first strawberry
patch. we had hot enough weather that i didn't
accomplish much last week. finally we catch a few
days of cooler weather with some rains. not that
it helped make the subsoil i'm removing any easier
to break up. stuff is like concrete. no surprise
the strawberries in there didn't do that great, but
the subsoil is a foot and a half down, the top layer
wasn't too bad.

i'm going that deep because i've wanted to lower
this patch ever since it has been there. no reason
to mound it up really other than a few flash floods
which don't last long enough and aren't a bother to
strawberries anyways. should have the flash flooding
under control well enough anyways now.

and i can move the tulips out of there that i've
already dug up several times, but always miss a few.
i suspect i may still miss a few anyways... and some
deep rooted weeds that are best removed carefully by
hand so as to not break up chunks of the root which
can regrow (sow-thistle, one of the worst garden
weeds for clay).

yesterday i finally filled in the center part i'd
dug out and it is already replanted. filled it in
with a mix of sand, stuff that needs to rot eventually
(bean shells and squash vines/leaves), and stuff that
is already mostly rotted (wood chips/pine needles)
along with some of the existing clay (about 1/4).

now i won't need a pickaxe to weed it and if i've
missed any of the sow-thistle root pieces it won't
be so hard to get the rest out of there.

mainly though, i get to redo the edge of the patch
so i don't need to crawl over or around rocks to get
in there to pick or weed. there's way too many ankle
breaking/twisting rock edges as it is. i'm gonna
flatten this puppy out and give me spaces to go through
and figure out something else to do with the rocks...
the stepping stones i already have are flat enough.

i still have wheelbarrows of dirt/subsoil to move
and as usual one project begets another. i've been
scraping some of the old decayed woodchips from the
garden where the lima beans are growing. and there's
yet another ankle breaking/twisting rock trench along
there that is begging to be dealt with. so... i'm
going to remove the rocks and fill it in so it will
be brought up to the level of the neighboring path
and the whole area will be a garden i can have
several rows of beans/peas or whatever instead of a
narrow strip surrounded by woodchip mulch (not very
productive use of the space before, but it was a
flower garden that has been removed and turned into
veggie production now). that's a few hundred more
square feet of full sun space and the soil is very
nice in there already. i'll use some of the
decayed wood chips in there too, but most of them
are going to end up in the strawberry patch as i
will then not need to do anything in there for a few
years other than to weed and top off a little at
the end of the season (after the ground freezes).

at least that is the plan...

today a little painting too, the garage sill i
put in this past spring is holding up and sticking
well, a few very tiny cracks are showing from the
differences in cement batches i did when i was
putting it down (hand mixing in small amounts i
couldn't get it all mixed and placed at once). it
needs to be protected before the winter gets here
and we start dripping muddy/salty water on it...
hopefully three coats will do it (or until the
quart of paint runs out).

in other news, still picking and shelling beans,
the rains we so sorely needed were not really wanted
now with the beans finishing up, but that is usual
for me and the later fall. the push-pull of wanting
rains because when it is too dry some of the gardens
are too hard to do much with (the rest are much
nicer now after years of planting, amending and
giving the worms plenty to work with) and the desire
for things to be dry so that the beans won't rot or
start sprouting in the pods before i can get them
picked. it really hasn't been a great year for the
beans. strange weather, high heat, storms at just
the wrong times, cold spells, etc... the plight of
a gardener. :) i have planted enough varieties that
i'm getting some return for my efforts but it is a
fraction of what a normal year can be like (was hoping
for between 50-100 lbs, will be more like 30lbs) most
plants the pods are empty or only a few pods have
beans. at least the ones i was most worried about
not having anything from i have been able to find
some pods with beans in them now to restock a little
of the seed supply. they are a very nice thin green
bean and the seeds are long and narrow and they are
apparently very finicky about setting seeds. i
could have eaten a lot more of the beans but i left
almost all of them because i wanted to restock the
seed supply.

tomatoes are done and gone, the plants need to be
taken down and buried. peppers are still doing ok.
there should be a few red ones out there to harvest
in a few days. squash is in and curing. we had
a wheelbarrow full (much better than five wheelbarrows
full). the quality is overall very good compared to
last season. only two that i've noticed will have to
be cooked up right away (instead of several dozen).
not having much rain the past month and a half kept
the fungi from doing much or even starting up at all.

ok, enough rambles, time to get busy, ...


songbird


I'm into chestnut season. I don't save as many but like to shell and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts.

I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my
friends with them. Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as
they wanted.

Frank

Pavel314[_2_] 02-10-2017 12:59 AM

october already!
 
On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 7:34:41 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 9:43 AM, songbird wrote:
i'm not sure where September went. too quickly
by for sure...

garden news, still working on the first strawberry
patch. we had hot enough weather that i didn't
accomplish much last week. finally we catch a few
days of cooler weather with some rains. not that
it helped make the subsoil i'm removing any easier
to break up. stuff is like concrete. no surprise
the strawberries in there didn't do that great, but
the subsoil is a foot and a half down, the top layer
wasn't too bad.

i'm going that deep because i've wanted to lower
this patch ever since it has been there. no reason
to mound it up really other than a few flash floods
which don't last long enough and aren't a bother to
strawberries anyways. should have the flash flooding
under control well enough anyways now.

and i can move the tulips out of there that i've
already dug up several times, but always miss a few.
i suspect i may still miss a few anyways... and some
deep rooted weeds that are best removed carefully by
hand so as to not break up chunks of the root which
can regrow (sow-thistle, one of the worst garden
weeds for clay).

yesterday i finally filled in the center part i'd
dug out and it is already replanted. filled it in
with a mix of sand, stuff that needs to rot eventually
(bean shells and squash vines/leaves), and stuff that
is already mostly rotted (wood chips/pine needles)
along with some of the existing clay (about 1/4).

now i won't need a pickaxe to weed it and if i've
missed any of the sow-thistle root pieces it won't
be so hard to get the rest out of there.

mainly though, i get to redo the edge of the patch
so i don't need to crawl over or around rocks to get
in there to pick or weed. there's way too many ankle
breaking/twisting rock edges as it is. i'm gonna
flatten this puppy out and give me spaces to go through
and figure out something else to do with the rocks...
the stepping stones i already have are flat enough.

i still have wheelbarrows of dirt/subsoil to move
and as usual one project begets another. i've been
scraping some of the old decayed woodchips from the
garden where the lima beans are growing. and there's
yet another ankle breaking/twisting rock trench along
there that is begging to be dealt with. so... i'm
going to remove the rocks and fill it in so it will
be brought up to the level of the neighboring path
and the whole area will be a garden i can have
several rows of beans/peas or whatever instead of a
narrow strip surrounded by woodchip mulch (not very
productive use of the space before, but it was a
flower garden that has been removed and turned into
veggie production now). that's a few hundred more
square feet of full sun space and the soil is very
nice in there already. i'll use some of the
decayed wood chips in there too, but most of them
are going to end up in the strawberry patch as i
will then not need to do anything in there for a few
years other than to weed and top off a little at
the end of the season (after the ground freezes).

at least that is the plan...

today a little painting too, the garage sill i
put in this past spring is holding up and sticking
well, a few very tiny cracks are showing from the
differences in cement batches i did when i was
putting it down (hand mixing in small amounts i
couldn't get it all mixed and placed at once). it
needs to be protected before the winter gets here
and we start dripping muddy/salty water on it...
hopefully three coats will do it (or until the
quart of paint runs out).

in other news, still picking and shelling beans,
the rains we so sorely needed were not really wanted
now with the beans finishing up, but that is usual
for me and the later fall. the push-pull of wanting
rains because when it is too dry some of the gardens
are too hard to do much with (the rest are much
nicer now after years of planting, amending and
giving the worms plenty to work with) and the desire
for things to be dry so that the beans won't rot or
start sprouting in the pods before i can get them
picked. it really hasn't been a great year for the
beans. strange weather, high heat, storms at just
the wrong times, cold spells, etc... the plight of
a gardener. :) i have planted enough varieties that
i'm getting some return for my efforts but it is a
fraction of what a normal year can be like (was hoping
for between 50-100 lbs, will be more like 30lbs) most
plants the pods are empty or only a few pods have
beans. at least the ones i was most worried about
not having anything from i have been able to find
some pods with beans in them now to restock a little
of the seed supply. they are a very nice thin green
bean and the seeds are long and narrow and they are
apparently very finicky about setting seeds. i
could have eaten a lot more of the beans but i left
almost all of them because i wanted to restock the
seed supply.

tomatoes are done and gone, the plants need to be
taken down and buried. peppers are still doing ok.
there should be a few red ones out there to harvest
in a few days. squash is in and curing. we had
a wheelbarrow full (much better than five wheelbarrows
full). the quality is overall very good compared to
last season. only two that i've noticed will have to
be cooked up right away (instead of several dozen).
not having much rain the past month and a half kept
the fungi from doing much or even starting up at all.

ok, enough rambles, time to get busy, ...


songbird


I'm into chestnut season. I don't save as many but like to shell and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts.

I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my
friends with them. Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as
they wanted.

Frank


A friend of ours has several large black walnut trees in her yard. She can't use them all so she invited us up to gather as many as we wanted. We went up there last week and came home with three five-gallon pails full. My wife is processing them; she says it reminds her of her childhood in the mountains of eastern Tennessee.

Paul

Frank 02-10-2017 01:45 AM

october already!
 
On 10/1/2017 7:59 PM, Pavel314 wrote:
On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 7:34:41 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 9:43 AM, songbird wrote:
i'm not sure where September went. too quickly
by for sure...

garden news, still working on the first strawberry
patch. we had hot enough weather that i didn't
accomplish much last week. finally we catch a few
days of cooler weather with some rains. not that
it helped make the subsoil i'm removing any easier
to break up. stuff is like concrete. no surprise
the strawberries in there didn't do that great, but
the subsoil is a foot and a half down, the top layer
wasn't too bad.

i'm going that deep because i've wanted to lower
this patch ever since it has been there. no reason
to mound it up really other than a few flash floods
which don't last long enough and aren't a bother to
strawberries anyways. should have the flash flooding
under control well enough anyways now.

and i can move the tulips out of there that i've
already dug up several times, but always miss a few.
i suspect i may still miss a few anyways... and some
deep rooted weeds that are best removed carefully by
hand so as to not break up chunks of the root which
can regrow (sow-thistle, one of the worst garden
weeds for clay).

yesterday i finally filled in the center part i'd
dug out and it is already replanted. filled it in
with a mix of sand, stuff that needs to rot eventually
(bean shells and squash vines/leaves), and stuff that
is already mostly rotted (wood chips/pine needles)
along with some of the existing clay (about 1/4).

now i won't need a pickaxe to weed it and if i've
missed any of the sow-thistle root pieces it won't
be so hard to get the rest out of there.

mainly though, i get to redo the edge of the patch
so i don't need to crawl over or around rocks to get
in there to pick or weed. there's way too many ankle
breaking/twisting rock edges as it is. i'm gonna
flatten this puppy out and give me spaces to go through
and figure out something else to do with the rocks...
the stepping stones i already have are flat enough.

i still have wheelbarrows of dirt/subsoil to move
and as usual one project begets another. i've been
scraping some of the old decayed woodchips from the
garden where the lima beans are growing. and there's
yet another ankle breaking/twisting rock trench along
there that is begging to be dealt with. so... i'm
going to remove the rocks and fill it in so it will
be brought up to the level of the neighboring path
and the whole area will be a garden i can have
several rows of beans/peas or whatever instead of a
narrow strip surrounded by woodchip mulch (not very
productive use of the space before, but it was a
flower garden that has been removed and turned into
veggie production now). that's a few hundred more
square feet of full sun space and the soil is very
nice in there already. i'll use some of the
decayed wood chips in there too, but most of them
are going to end up in the strawberry patch as i
will then not need to do anything in there for a few
years other than to weed and top off a little at
the end of the season (after the ground freezes).

at least that is the plan...

today a little painting too, the garage sill i
put in this past spring is holding up and sticking
well, a few very tiny cracks are showing from the
differences in cement batches i did when i was
putting it down (hand mixing in small amounts i
couldn't get it all mixed and placed at once). it
needs to be protected before the winter gets here
and we start dripping muddy/salty water on it...
hopefully three coats will do it (or until the
quart of paint runs out).

in other news, still picking and shelling beans,
the rains we so sorely needed were not really wanted
now with the beans finishing up, but that is usual
for me and the later fall. the push-pull of wanting
rains because when it is too dry some of the gardens
are too hard to do much with (the rest are much
nicer now after years of planting, amending and
giving the worms plenty to work with) and the desire
for things to be dry so that the beans won't rot or
start sprouting in the pods before i can get them
picked. it really hasn't been a great year for the
beans. strange weather, high heat, storms at just
the wrong times, cold spells, etc... the plight of
a gardener. :) i have planted enough varieties that
i'm getting some return for my efforts but it is a
fraction of what a normal year can be like (was hoping
for between 50-100 lbs, will be more like 30lbs) most
plants the pods are empty or only a few pods have
beans. at least the ones i was most worried about
not having anything from i have been able to find
some pods with beans in them now to restock a little
of the seed supply. they are a very nice thin green
bean and the seeds are long and narrow and they are
apparently very finicky about setting seeds. i
could have eaten a lot more of the beans but i left
almost all of them because i wanted to restock the
seed supply.

tomatoes are done and gone, the plants need to be
taken down and buried. peppers are still doing ok.
there should be a few red ones out there to harvest
in a few days. squash is in and curing. we had
a wheelbarrow full (much better than five wheelbarrows
full). the quality is overall very good compared to
last season. only two that i've noticed will have to
be cooked up right away (instead of several dozen).
not having much rain the past month and a half kept
the fungi from doing much or even starting up at all.

ok, enough rambles, time to get busy, ...


songbird


I'm into chestnut season. I don't save as many but like to shell and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts.

I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my
friends with them. Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as
they wanted.

Frank


A friend of ours has several large black walnut trees in her yard. She can't use them all so she invited us up to gather as many as we wanted. We went up there last week and came home with three five-gallon pails full. My wife is processing them; she says it reminds her of her childhood in the mountains of eastern Tennessee.

Paul


I liked them and my father always got them. Awful lot of work to to
husk, dry and have to hammer to get nut meat but mother made terrific
cookies with them. I watched a squirrel eat one once and he must have
been gnawing at it for a half hour.

songbird[_2_] 02-10-2017 03:30 AM

october already!
 
Frank wrote:
....
I'm into chestnut season. I don't save as many but like to shell and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts.


i didn't think there were any of those
trees still around any longer?


I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my
friends with them. Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as
they wanted.


in the days before the fungi they were a major
source of fodder for animals in the forest and
many people would let pigs run to fatten up and
then...


songbird

songbird[_2_] 02-10-2017 03:34 AM

october already!
 
Pavel314 wrote:
....
A friend of ours has several large black walnut trees in her yard. She can't use them all so she invited us up to gather as many as we wanted. We went up there last week and came home with three five-gallon pails full. My wife is processing them; she says it reminds her of her childhood in the mountains of eastern Tennessee.


there's a lot of black walnut trees around
here, the squirrels drop them in the road and
let people run over them.

last time i picked a bunch of black walnuts
and shelled them out i made some black walnut
cookies. it was a lot of work but worth it.
i tried making walnut cookies with regular
walnuts, but they just weren't the same...

i will likely buy some black walnuts next
time i make those kind of cookies. my hands
are too useful to risk more damage like that.


songbird

Frank 02-10-2017 12:30 PM

october already!
 
On 10/1/2017 10:34 PM, songbird wrote:
Pavel314 wrote:
...
A friend of ours has several large black walnut trees in her yard. She can't use them all so she invited us up to gather as many as we wanted. We went up there last week and came home with three five-gallon pails full. My wife is processing them; she says it reminds her of her childhood in the mountains of eastern Tennessee.


there's a lot of black walnut trees around
here, the squirrels drop them in the road and
let people run over them.

last time i picked a bunch of black walnuts
and shelled them out i made some black walnut
cookies. it was a lot of work but worth it.
i tried making walnut cookies with regular
walnuts, but they just weren't the same...

i will likely buy some black walnuts next
time i make those kind of cookies. my hands
are too useful to risk more damage like that.


songbird


I made the mistake of planting a couple of English walnuts. Never got
any nuts as squirrels would get to them before they even matured. Early
this year one got blown over and I had it removed but it displaced the
other and it is not tolerating it well so I have to have it removed.

Been over 40 years ago that we moved into this house when it was new and
I am still correcting my planting mistakes with trees and bushes.

Frank 02-10-2017 12:33 PM

october already!
 
On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote:
Frank wrote:
...
I'm into chestnut season. I don't save as many but like to shell and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts.


i didn't think there were any of those
trees still around any longer?


I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my
friends with them. Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as
they wanted.


in the days before the fungi they were a major
source of fodder for animals in the forest and
many people would let pigs run to fatten up and
then...


songbird


Mine are Chinese chestnuts. The American chestnut is supposedly
returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and they
tasted the same. I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree is as good
as the American tree.

George Shirley[_3_] 02-10-2017 12:58 PM

october already!
 
On 10/2/2017 6:30 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 10:34 PM, songbird wrote:
Pavel314 wrote:
...
A friend of ours has several large black walnut trees in her yard.
She can't use them all so she invited us up to gather as many as we
wanted. We went up there last week and came home with three
five-gallon pails full. My wife is processing them; she says it
reminds her of her childhood in the mountains of eastern Tennessee.


Â*Â* there's a lot of black walnut trees around
here, the squirrels drop them in the road and
let people run over them.

Â*Â* last time i picked a bunch of black walnuts
and shelled them out i made some black walnut
cookies.Â* it was a lot of work but worth it.
i tried making walnut cookies with regular
walnuts, but they just weren't the same...

Â*Â* i will likely buy some black walnuts next
time i make those kind of cookies.Â* my hands
are too useful to risk more damage like that.


Â*Â* songbird


I made the mistake of planting a couple of English walnuts.Â* Never got
any nuts as squirrels would get to them before they even matured.Â* Early
this year one got blown over and I had it removed but it displaced the
other and it is not tolerating it well so I have to have it removed.

Been over 40 years ago that we moved into this house when it was new and
I am still correcting my planting mistakes with trees and bushes.

Been there, done that. Every house we've lived in has been spruced up,
the gardens done to our wants, then we move on to my next job as I
climbed the management of safety in chemical plants and refineries
around the world. I'm pretty sure we're going to stay in this house
until we're either dead or gone to a nursing home. Small property but
wife has most of the ground covered with flowers, etc. and our small
vegetable garden. At our age that's about what we can handle. I keep the
books, wife keeps the small lawn mowed, and takes care of the gardens. I
also do most of the cooking and cleaning. Can't walk well on uneven
ground but can get around with my cane in the house. Works well for us
and has been working well for a goodly amount of time.

George, up early to feed the dawg, as usual.

George Shirley[_3_] 02-10-2017 01:00 PM

october already!
 
On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote:
Frank wrote:
...
I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to shell and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts.


Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those
trees still around any longer?


I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my
friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as
they wanted.


Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major
source of fodder for animals in the forest and
many people would let pigs run to fatten up and
then...


Â*Â* songbird


Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly
returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and they
tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree is as good
as the American tree.

I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my part
of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same taste?

George

Frank 02-10-2017 02:36 PM

october already!
 
On 10/2/2017 7:58 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 6:30 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 10:34 PM, songbird wrote:
Pavel314 wrote:
...
A friend of ours has several large black walnut trees in her yard.
She can't use them all so she invited us up to gather as many as we
wanted. We went up there last week and came home with three
five-gallon pails full. My wife is processing them; she says it
reminds her of her childhood in the mountains of eastern Tennessee.

Â*Â* there's a lot of black walnut trees around
here, the squirrels drop them in the road and
let people run over them.

Â*Â* last time i picked a bunch of black walnuts
and shelled them out i made some black walnut
cookies.Â* it was a lot of work but worth it.
i tried making walnut cookies with regular
walnuts, but they just weren't the same...

Â*Â* i will likely buy some black walnuts next
time i make those kind of cookies.Â* my hands
are too useful to risk more damage like that.


Â*Â* songbird


I made the mistake of planting a couple of English walnuts.Â* Never got
any nuts as squirrels would get to them before they even matured.
Early this year one got blown over and I had it removed but it
displaced the other and it is not tolerating it well so I have to have
it removed.

Been over 40 years ago that we moved into this house when it was new
and I am still correcting my planting mistakes with trees and bushes.

Been there, done that. Every house we've lived in has been spruced up,
the gardens done to our wants, then we move on to my next job as I
climbed the management of safety in chemical plants and refineries
around the world. I'm pretty sure we're going to stay in this house
until we're either dead or gone to a nursing home. Small property but
wife has most of the ground covered with flowers, etc. and our small
vegetable garden. At our age that's about what we can handle. I keep the
books, wife keeps the small lawn mowed, and takes care of the gardens. I
also do most of the cooking and cleaning. Can't walk well on uneven
ground but can get around with my cane in the house. Works well for us
and has been working well for a goodly amount of time.

George, up early to feed the dawg, as usual.


I have nearly an acre on a sloped lot. Very hilly neighborhood and most
of the neighbors on my street let back yards grow wild but wife likes
ours mowed which is getting increasingly harder to get mower down hill.
Too steep for a riding mower. I lucked out this year with a next door
neighbor cutting the back which he can access from his lot with his
rider. He does it for the cost of the fuel which in this instance is an
occasional case of Heineken. Unfortunately he is moving due to new job
for his wife so next year I may have to hire someone.

Will have three new neighbors on both sides and back next year. Most
important is one in the back to access back yard from his driveway
running entire length of my lot. Tree cutter has used it a couple of
times and will need it again when leaves are down in a couple of months.
Our son loves this house and would have bought it except for the 2-3
acres it is on are so sloppy and 700 ft drive is too much. I had
another neighbor down the road with 22 acres with a 0.4 mile drive. He
died at age 90 but was still an adjunct professor at U. of Delaware who
walked to work nearly 10 miles away, believe it or not.

Frank 02-10-2017 05:21 PM

october already!
 
On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote:
Frank wrote:
...
I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to shell and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts.

Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those
trees still around any longer?


I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my
friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as
they wanted.

Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major
source of fodder for animals in the forest and
many people would let pigs run to fatten up and
then...


Â*Â* songbird


Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly
returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and
they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree is
as good as the American tree.

I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my part
of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same taste?

George


It's been years since I tasted them. I think taste was same as Chinese
chestnuts and they were slightly smaller. This was at friends hunting
camp in central PA. Guy that brought them in said they were American
chestnuts.

I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as there
is a worm problem. There is a chestnut weevil that I have never seen
but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the chestnut. I spray
with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees and often see a lot of
worms. These little buggers can even bore through a plastic bag. I'm
sure I've eaten more than a few. This year's crop appears clean. You
spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before harvest.

George Shirley[_3_] 02-10-2017 09:49 PM

october already!
 
On 10/2/2017 8:36 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 7:58 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 6:30 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 10:34 PM, songbird wrote:
Pavel314 wrote:
...
A friend of ours has several large black walnut trees in her yard.
She can't use them all so she invited us up to gather as many as we
wanted. We went up there last week and came home with three
five-gallon pails full. My wife is processing them; she says it
reminds her of her childhood in the mountains of eastern Tennessee.

Â*Â* there's a lot of black walnut trees around
here, the squirrels drop them in the road and
let people run over them.

Â*Â* last time i picked a bunch of black walnuts
and shelled them out i made some black walnut
cookies.Â* it was a lot of work but worth it.
i tried making walnut cookies with regular
walnuts, but they just weren't the same...

Â*Â* i will likely buy some black walnuts next
time i make those kind of cookies.Â* my hands
are too useful to risk more damage like that.


Â*Â* songbird


I made the mistake of planting a couple of English walnuts.Â* Never
got any nuts as squirrels would get to them before they even matured.
Early this year one got blown over and I had it removed but it
displaced the other and it is not tolerating it well so I have to
have it removed.

Been over 40 years ago that we moved into this house when it was new
and I am still correcting my planting mistakes with trees and bushes.

Been there, done that. Every house we've lived in has been spruced up,
the gardens done to our wants, then we move on to my next job as I
climbed the management of safety in chemical plants and refineries
around the world. I'm pretty sure we're going to stay in this house
until we're either dead or gone to a nursing home. Small property but
wife has most of the ground covered with flowers, etc. and our small
vegetable garden. At our age that's about what we can handle. I keep
the books, wife keeps the small lawn mowed, and takes care of the
gardens. I also do most of the cooking and cleaning. Can't walk well
on uneven ground but can get around with my cane in the house. Works
well for us and has been working well for a goodly amount of time.

George, up early to feed the dawg, as usual.


I have nearly an acre on a sloped lot.Â* Very hilly neighborhood and most
of the neighbors on my street let back yards grow wild but wife likes
ours mowed which is getting increasingly harder to get mower down hill.
Too steep for a riding mower.Â* I lucked out this year with a next door
neighbor cutting the back which he can access from his lot with his
rider.Â* He does it for the cost of the fuel which in this instance is an
occasional case of Heineken.Â* Unfortunately he is moving due to new job
for his wife so next year I may have to hire someone.

Will have three new neighbors on both sides and back next year.Â* Most
important is one in the back to access back yard from his driveway
running entire length of my lot.Â* Tree cutter has used it a couple of
times and will need it again when leaves are down in a couple of months.
Our son loves this house and would have bought it except for the 2-3
acres it is on are so sloppy and 700 ft drive is too much.Â* I had
another neighbor down the road with 22 acres with a 0.4 mile drive.Â* He
died at age 90 but was still an adjunct professor at U. of Delaware who
walked to work nearly 10 miles away, believe it or not.

I can believe that, my Uncle Gus lived to be 91 and was blind and deaf
then. He was my father's next down brother and a good man, was a member
of three different unions and worked until he was in his late sixties
and didn't want to retire then but was forced out. He didn't want to NOT
work, not many people can say that. I retired at 65 as a lone wolf
safety professional, was very sick, docs said I would be dead soon. Gave
my business to a very good friend who couldn't afford to buy it but we
got gifts every month for two years, not asked for but given for thanks.
He grew the company to ten times the income I had pulled in but I didn't
want to work to much. G Now his two sons are running the business and
doing well. Makes me feel good that I started something that keeps
paying off to the people I like. Nowadays I nap a lot, read lots of
books, watch tv, brush and bathe the dog, cook meals for us, do the
grocery shopping, then more naps. My body is not doing much for me, to
many years of climbing towers, hauling loads, arthritis, diabetes, heart
disease, etc. (all of which run in the men of my family) but I can still
teach the grands and great grands, and, I hope, the great great grands
if I can still keep going.

George Shirley[_3_] 02-10-2017 09:55 PM

october already!
 
On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote:
Frank wrote:
...
I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to shell and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts.

Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those
trees still around any longer?


I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my
friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as
they wanted.

Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major
source of fodder for animals in the forest and
many people would let pigs run to fatten up and
then...


Â*Â* songbird


Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly
returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and
they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree is
as good as the American tree.

I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my
part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same taste?

George


It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as Chinese
chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at friends hunting
camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in said they were American
chestnuts.

I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as there
is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I have never seen
but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the chestnut.Â* I spray
with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees and often see a lot of
worms.Â* These little buggers can even bore through a plastic bag.Â* I'm
sure I've eaten more than a few.Â* This year's crop appears clean.Â* You
spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before harvest.

We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near died
from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and then wash
stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things "naturally" when
the world is full of things that want to screw up your garden.
Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor for Houston and all
the junk the ships bring in. Some have destroyed crops that have been
grown for a very long time. Then the gubmint says "You can't spray that,
it might hurt the atmosphere or something else." Heck, I used to flag
crop dusters as a kid with just a bandana tied over my face. I think all
that "poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like being petrified or
so0mething. VBG

Frank 02-10-2017 11:54 PM

october already!
 
On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote:
Frank wrote:
...
I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to shell and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts.

Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those
trees still around any longer?


I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my
friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as
much as
they wanted.

Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major
source of fodder for animals in the forest and
many people would let pigs run to fatten up and
then...


Â*Â* songbird


Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly
returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and
they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree is
as good as the American tree.
I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my
part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same
taste?

George


It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as
Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at friends
hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in said they were
American chestnuts.

I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as
there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I have never
seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the chestnut.
I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees and often
see a lot of worms.Â* These little buggers can even bore through a
plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've eaten more than a few.Â* This year's crop
appears clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before
harvest.

We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near died
from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and then wash
stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things "naturally" when
the world is full of things that want to screw up your garden.
Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor for Houston and all
the junk the ships bring in. Some have destroyed crops that have been
grown for a very long time. Then the gubmint says "You can't spray that,
it might hurt the atmosphere or something else." Heck, I used to flag
crop dusters as a kid with just a bandana tied over my face. I think all
that "poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like being petrified or
so0mething. VBG


When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the enemies
surround them nearby. I had trouble with apple worms and fungus when I
had apple trees. I used to bicycle past an orchard on Sunday mornings
and saw them spraying. Bet there was not a bug or fungus within a mile
after they were done. I also suspect they did not have to spray that
often as it would take awhile before they were invaded by surrounding bugs.

Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English walnuts. If
an orchard knocked their population down it would take a much longer
time to recover than my trees surrounded by woods full of squirrels.

I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of chemicals
but in their judicious use.

George Shirley[_3_] 03-10-2017 01:03 AM

october already!
 
On 10/2/2017 5:54 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote:
Frank wrote:
...
I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to shell
and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the
evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts.

Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those
trees still around any longer?


I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my
friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as
much as
they wanted.

Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major
source of fodder for animals in the forest and
many people would let pigs run to fatten up and
then...


Â*Â* songbird


Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly
returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and
they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree
is as good as the American tree.
I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my
part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same
taste?

George

It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as
Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at
friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in said
they were American chestnuts.

I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as
there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I have
never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the
chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees
and often see a lot of worms.Â* These little buggers can even bore
through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've eaten more than a few.Â* This
year's crop appears clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6
weeks before harvest.

We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near died
from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and then wash
stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things "naturally"
when the world is full of things that want to screw up your garden.
Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor for Houston and
all the junk the ships bring in. Some have destroyed crops that have
been grown for a very long time. Then the gubmint says "You can't
spray that, it might hurt the atmosphere or something else." Heck, I
used to flag crop dusters as a kid with just a bandana tied over my
face. I think all that "poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like
being petrified or so0mething. VBG


When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the enemies
surround them nearby.Â* I had trouble with apple worms and fungus when I
had apple trees.Â* I used to bicycle past an orchard on Sunday mornings
and saw them spraying.Â* Bet there was not a bug or fungus within a mile
after they were done.Â* I also suspect they did not have to spray that
often as it would take awhile before they were invaded by surrounding bugs.

Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English walnuts.Â* If
an orchard knocked their population down it would take a much longer
time to recover than my trees surrounded by woods full of squirrels.

I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of chemicals
but in their judicious use.

I made my living for sixteen years making chemicals, but not the type
you're thinking of, just little stuff like benzene, etc. G After the
16 years as a grunt I moved into management with several different
chemical plants and refineries. We were careful in handling the stuff
and what we sold off to other companies had the proper paper work for
handling them. Unfortunately lots of small companies made really bad
chemicals for bugs, etc. that were two steppers, get a good bit of the
chemical, walk two steps and fall over dead. Like you I am cautious
about any over the counter or home made chemicals and read the cautions
part four or five times. Breathing some of that stuff fifty years ago or
so didn't help my health. Anyone that handles any kind of chemical, even
the ones under the kitchen sink, needs to be fully aware of what happens
if you breath it, drink it, or get it on you. Amen!

Frank 03-10-2017 01:22 AM

october already!
 
On 10/2/2017 8:03 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 5:54 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote:
Frank wrote:
...
I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to
shell and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the
evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts.

Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those
trees still around any longer?


I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my
friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as
much as
they wanted.

Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major
source of fodder for animals in the forest and
many people would let pigs run to fatten up and
then...


Â*Â* songbird


Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly
returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and
they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree
is as good as the American tree.
I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my
part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same
taste?

George

It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as
Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at
friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in said
they were American chestnuts.

I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as
there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I have
never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the
chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees
and often see a lot of worms.Â* These little buggers can even bore
through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've eaten more than a few.Â* This
year's crop appears clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6
weeks before harvest.
We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near died
from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and then wash
stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things "naturally"
when the world is full of things that want to screw up your garden.
Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor for Houston and
all the junk the ships bring in. Some have destroyed crops that have
been grown for a very long time. Then the gubmint says "You can't
spray that, it might hurt the atmosphere or something else." Heck, I
used to flag crop dusters as a kid with just a bandana tied over my
face. I think all that "poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like
being petrified or so0mething. VBG


When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the enemies
surround them nearby.Â* I had trouble with apple worms and fungus when
I had apple trees.Â* I used to bicycle past an orchard on Sunday
mornings and saw them spraying.Â* Bet there was not a bug or fungus
within a mile after they were done.Â* I also suspect they did not have
to spray that often as it would take awhile before they were invaded
by surrounding bugs.

Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English walnuts.Â* If
an orchard knocked their population down it would take a much longer
time to recover than my trees surrounded by woods full of squirrels.

I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of chemicals
but in their judicious use.

I made my living for sixteen years making chemicals, but not the type
you're thinking of, just little stuff like benzene, etc. G After the
16 years as a grunt I moved into management with several different
chemical plants and refineries. We were careful in handling the stuff
and what we sold off to other companies had the proper paper work for
handling them. Unfortunately lots of small companies made really bad
chemicals for bugs, etc. that were two steppers, get a good bit of the
chemical, walk two steps and fall over dead. Like you I am cautious
about any over the counter or home made chemicals and read the cautions
part four or five times. Breathing some of that stuff fifty years ago or
so didn't help my health. Anyone that handles any kind of chemical, even
the ones under the kitchen sink, needs to be fully aware of what happens
if you breath it, drink it, or get it on you. Amen!


No question. I am often telling my wife to be careful with her use of
bleach and need for ventilation when cooking.

I am very familiar with toxicology and have worked for years with
toxicologists and their labs. Now retired I have written and been
responsible for thousands of safety data sheets in my consulting.

When working, my company often refused to sell chemicals to companies
that could not handle them responsibly.

George Shirley[_3_] 03-10-2017 02:26 AM

october already!
 
On 10/2/2017 7:22 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:03 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 5:54 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote:
Frank wrote:
...
I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to
shell and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the
evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts.

Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those
trees still around any longer?


I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and
saturate my
friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as
much as
they wanted.

Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major
source of fodder for animals in the forest and
many people would let pigs run to fatten up and
then...


Â*Â* songbird


Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly
returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts
and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese
tree is as good as the American tree.
I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in
my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the
same taste?

George

It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as
Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at
friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in said
they were American chestnuts.

I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as
there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I have
never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the
chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees
and often see a lot of worms.Â* These little buggers can even bore
through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've eaten more than a few.Â* This
year's crop appears clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6
weeks before harvest.
We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near
died from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and
then wash stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things
"naturally" when the world is full of things that want to screw up
your garden. Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor for
Houston and all the junk the ships bring in. Some have destroyed
crops that have been grown for a very long time. Then the gubmint
says "You can't spray that, it might hurt the atmosphere or
something else." Heck, I used to flag crop dusters as a kid with
just a bandana tied over my face. I think all that "poison" is why
I'm still around, sort of like being petrified or so0mething. VBG

When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the
enemies surround them nearby.Â* I had trouble with apple worms and
fungus when I had apple trees.Â* I used to bicycle past an orchard on
Sunday mornings and saw them spraying.Â* Bet there was not a bug or
fungus within a mile after they were done.Â* I also suspect they did
not have to spray that often as it would take awhile before they were
invaded by surrounding bugs.

Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English walnuts.
If an orchard knocked their population down it would take a much
longer time to recover than my trees surrounded by woods full of
squirrels.

I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of chemicals
but in their judicious use.

I made my living for sixteen years making chemicals, but not the type
you're thinking of, just little stuff like benzene, etc. G After the
16 years as a grunt I moved into management with several different
chemical plants and refineries. We were careful in handling the stuff
and what we sold off to other companies had the proper paper work for
handling them. Unfortunately lots of small companies made really bad
chemicals for bugs, etc. that were two steppers, get a good bit of the
chemical, walk two steps and fall over dead. Like you I am cautious
about any over the counter or home made chemicals and read the
cautions part four or five times. Breathing some of that stuff fifty
years ago or so didn't help my health. Anyone that handles any kind of
chemical, even the ones under the kitchen sink, needs to be fully
aware of what happens if you breath it, drink it, or get it on you. Amen!


No question.Â* I am often telling my wife to be careful with her use of
bleach and need for ventilation when cooking.

I do too, my wife often cooks without turning on the fan over the stove,
goes straight out through the wall. She's an artist, does that ring a
bell about safety? Years ago we lived in a small trailer house and I put
in a fan above the stove in the wall. When we built our first home I
sold the trailer and got an extra $100 bucks due to the fan, which cost
something like ten bucks. In those days I made $2.50 an hour as a top
operator in a chemical plant and ten bucks was a lot of money to us.
Nowadays guys doing what I did in the sixties are making what sounds
like big money but buys about the same amount of grub for us back then.

I am very familiar with toxicology and have worked for years with
toxicologists and their labs.Â* Now retired I have written and been
responsible for thousands of safety data sheets in my consulting.

When working, my company often refused to sell chemicals to companies
that could not handle them responsibly.

I hear that, happily I worked for years for Mobil, then moved on to some
of the larger chemical and refining companies. As a safety professional
I got several people fired for not doing their due diligence and have
pulled wounded and dead out of something that should never have
happened. You teach people the right way to do things and then they go
dumb on you just once and kaboom! I'm glad I'm retired and don't have to
do that anymore. We could certainly throw out some old stories over a
cup of coffee. I go to reunions for a couple of companies, now all
combined with the big boys, and we revisit our youth and some revisit
their foolishness. I'm glad I'm retired.


George Shirley[_3_] 06-10-2017 08:58 PM

october already!
 
On 10/6/2017 12:38 PM, wrote:
songbird wrote:

i'm not sure where September went. too quickly
by for sure...

Yep; just remain living for a few more years and watch what
happens!
It's becoming the norm, I guess, but October's here and Derald is
'way behind in fall planting. Got mustards up and running and some
green beans that are 90% emergent a/o this morning. Late okra, planted
in mid-August, is beginning to produce. Field peas are away and gone to
compost and summer okras seem to be retiring but the eggplants are going
strong. Did plant a few tomatoes–about a month "late"–but don't know
yet where to put them. Planted three specimens each or three varieties:
Beefsteak, Homestead, Mortgage Lifter. First time for Mortgage Lifter.
Of the tomatoes claimed to have been "developed" for Florida (and that
I've actually grown), only the Homestead performs in my garden, so it
made the cut. Beefsteak, Big Boy, Better Boy, Early Girl all are
dependable here and hold out well in summer's heat, when in beds; not so
well in containers above ground.
Began prepping a bed for turnips and peas yesterday (10-4; really)
but the weather turned crappy early on and remained so, driving me
indoors I guess my days of gardening in the rain have passed. Today
seems to be following yesterday's pattern or, at least, not getting
sunny enough to dry the foliage.. More tropical goings-on down south,
in the Gulf, I suppose. 'Tis the season.

garden news, still working on the first strawberry
patch.

Man, I think the strawberries here are doomed. Mine have a few
stray daughers that need to be relocated but not sure I'm going to fool
with any that I'm not actually walking on. Some of the aerial offsets
are taking root in the side walls of the bed. I'll probably leave
those. Most of them are on the East side of a N/S bed so they'll be
shaded in afternoons. Since they're already in place, probably shall
leave the strawberries unmolested until spring, for another winter
harvest and then send them to compost. From last winter's crop, I ate
maybe three, DW ate maybe zero and getting the plants through another
Florida summer just wouldn't be worth the effort. I know now why
commercial producers in the region where I grew up raise strawberries as
annuals: For most of the year one is looking at non-productive green
stuff that must be watered, fed, and shaded from the sun from early June
through later in the year than now. I can always grow peas in that
space; they love the heat and the sunshine. Besides, the aphids really
like the peas, as do ants. Neither seems to think much of the strawberry
plants.

The boss lady and I turned out the 22 cubic foot freezer after lunch.
Found frozen stuff back to 2012 tucked away into corners. Still good
mostly but it seemed that several bags that were vacuum pumped didn't
actually seal. The contents went into the big pot to turn into soup for
later and the ones with frost bite went into the composter after thawing.

Took us over two hours to get everything back in the freezer and
properly labeled as to where what is. I don't think we will need to grow
certain vegetables for another two or three years. G Especially okra,
twelve bags for two of us to eat will last a long time.

Tomorrow we're going into the small freezer on our refrigerator, side by
side. Most of that is meats, sweets, etc. so should be easy. At least I
hope so. The big freezer now has a map magnet held to the door so we can
actually find things again. Will do the same with the smaller freezer. I
do need to clean out the refrigerator and give it a good cleaning and a
new container of baking soda to hold down scents.

The fall garden is in, green beans again, summer peppers are still
producing, the winter greens, etc. are up and growing. Kumquats are
starting to turn so will be harvesting by January, maybe, depends on
Texas weather. The pear tree still has several small pears still getting
a little bigger. Was afraid there would be no pears nor kumquats after
the hard freezes of last January. I would like to put in another fruit
tree but am not sure there is enough room in this small property.

George

Frank 06-10-2017 11:51 PM

october already!
 
On 10/2/2017 9:26 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 7:22 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:03 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 5:54 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote:
Frank wrote:
...
I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to
shell and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the
evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts.

Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those
trees still around any longer?


I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and
saturate my
friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as
much as
they wanted.

Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major
source of fodder for animals in the forest and
many people would let pigs run to fatten up and
then...


Â*Â* songbird


Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly
returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts
and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese
tree is as good as the American tree.
I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in
my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the
same taste?

George

It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as
Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at
friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in said
they were American chestnuts.

I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as
there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I have
never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the
chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both
trees and often see a lot of worms.Â* These little buggers can even
bore through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've eaten more than a few.
This year's crop appears clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly
about 6 weeks before harvest.
We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near
died from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and
then wash stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things
"naturally" when the world is full of things that want to screw up
your garden. Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor
for Houston and all the junk the ships bring in. Some have
destroyed crops that have been grown for a very long time. Then the
gubmint says "You can't spray that, it might hurt the atmosphere or
something else." Heck, I used to flag crop dusters as a kid with
just a bandana tied over my face. I think all that "poison" is why
I'm still around, sort of like being petrified or so0mething. VBG

When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the
enemies surround them nearby.Â* I had trouble with apple worms and
fungus when I had apple trees.Â* I used to bicycle past an orchard on
Sunday mornings and saw them spraying.Â* Bet there was not a bug or
fungus within a mile after they were done.Â* I also suspect they did
not have to spray that often as it would take awhile before they
were invaded by surrounding bugs.

Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English walnuts.
If an orchard knocked their population down it would take a much
longer time to recover than my trees surrounded by woods full of
squirrels.

I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of
chemicals but in their judicious use.
I made my living for sixteen years making chemicals, but not the type
you're thinking of, just little stuff like benzene, etc. G After
the 16 years as a grunt I moved into management with several
different chemical plants and refineries. We were careful in handling
the stuff and what we sold off to other companies had the proper
paper work for handling them. Unfortunately lots of small companies
made really bad chemicals for bugs, etc. that were two steppers, get
a good bit of the chemical, walk two steps and fall over dead. Like
you I am cautious about any over the counter or home made chemicals
and read the cautions part four or five times. Breathing some of that
stuff fifty years ago or so didn't help my health. Anyone that
handles any kind of chemical, even the ones under the kitchen sink,
needs to be fully aware of what happens if you breath it, drink it,
or get it on you. Amen!


No question.Â* I am often telling my wife to be careful with her use of
bleach and need for ventilation when cooking.

I do too, my wife often cooks without turning on the fan over the stove,
goes straight out through the wall. She's an artist, does that ring a
bell about safety? Years ago we lived in a small trailer house and I put
in a fan above the stove in the wall. When we built our first home I
sold the trailer and got an extra $100 bucks due to the fan, which cost
something like ten bucks. In those days I made $2.50 an hour as a top
operator in a chemical plant and ten bucks was a lot of money to us.
Nowadays guys doing what I did in the sixties are making what sounds
like big money but buys about the same amount of grub for us back then.

I am very familiar with toxicology and have worked for years with
toxicologists and their labs.Â* Now retired I have written and been
responsible for thousands of safety data sheets in my consulting.

When working, my company often refused to sell chemicals to companies
that could not handle them responsibly.

I hear that, happily I worked for years for Mobil, then moved on to some
of the larger chemical and refining companies. As a safety professional
I got several people fired for not doing their due diligence and have
pulled wounded and dead out of something that should never have
happened. You teach people the right way to do things and then they go
dumb on you just once and kaboom! I'm glad I'm retired and don't have to
do that anymore. We could certainly throw out some old stories over a
cup of coffee. I go to reunions for a couple of companies, now all
combined with the big boys, and we revisit our youth and some revisit
their foolishness. I'm glad I'm retired.


I worked for DuPont in fibers and plastics R&D but spent the last 3
years as a regulatory affairs consultant. Had to take early retirement
as company began to shrink. They are now Dow-DuPont. The years in
regulatory gave me good experience to consult but that is now down to
1-2 days a month. Makes me stay current with computers and new rules.

George Shirley[_3_] 07-10-2017 02:23 AM

october already!
 
On 10/6/2017 5:51 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 9:26 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 7:22 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:03 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 5:54 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote:
Frank wrote:
...
I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to
shell and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the
evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as
peanuts.

Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those
trees still around any longer?


I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and
saturate my
friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up
as much as
they wanted.

Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major
source of fodder for animals in the forest and
many people would let pigs run to fatten up and
then...


Â*Â* songbird


Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is
supposedly returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these
chestnuts and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of
the Chinese tree is as good as the American tree.
I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in
my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the
same taste?

George

It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as
Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at
friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in
said they were American chestnuts.

I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused
as there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I
have never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into
the chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both
trees and often see a lot of worms.Â* These little buggers can
even bore through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've eaten more than a
few. This year's crop appears clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks
weekly about 6 weeks before harvest.
We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near
died from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and
then wash stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things
"naturally" when the world is full of things that want to screw up
your garden. Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor
for Houston and all the junk the ships bring in. Some have
destroyed crops that have been grown for a very long time. Then
the gubmint says "You can't spray that, it might hurt the
atmosphere or something else." Heck, I used to flag crop dusters
as a kid with just a bandana tied over my face. I think all that
"poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like being petrified or
so0mething. VBG

When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the
enemies surround them nearby.Â* I had trouble with apple worms and
fungus when I had apple trees.Â* I used to bicycle past an orchard
on Sunday mornings and saw them spraying.Â* Bet there was not a bug
or fungus within a mile after they were done.Â* I also suspect they
did not have to spray that often as it would take awhile before
they were invaded by surrounding bugs.

Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English walnuts.
If an orchard knocked their population down it would take a much
longer time to recover than my trees surrounded by woods full of
squirrels.

I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of
chemicals but in their judicious use.
I made my living for sixteen years making chemicals, but not the
type you're thinking of, just little stuff like benzene, etc. G
After the 16 years as a grunt I moved into management with several
different chemical plants and refineries. We were careful in
handling the stuff and what we sold off to other companies had the
proper paper work for handling them. Unfortunately lots of small
companies made really bad chemicals for bugs, etc. that were two
steppers, get a good bit of the chemical, walk two steps and fall
over dead. Like you I am cautious about any over the counter or home
made chemicals and read the cautions part four or five times.
Breathing some of that stuff fifty years ago or so didn't help my
health. Anyone that handles any kind of chemical, even the ones
under the kitchen sink, needs to be fully aware of what happens if
you breath it, drink it, or get it on you. Amen!

No question.Â* I am often telling my wife to be careful with her use
of bleach and need for ventilation when cooking.

I do too, my wife often cooks without turning on the fan over the
stove, goes straight out through the wall. She's an artist, does that
ring a bell about safety? Years ago we lived in a small trailer house
and I put in a fan above the stove in the wall. When we built our
first home I sold the trailer and got an extra $100 bucks due to the
fan, which cost something like ten bucks. In those days I made $2.50
an hour as a top operator in a chemical plant and ten bucks was a lot
of money to us. Nowadays guys doing what I did in the sixties are
making what sounds like big money but buys about the same amount of
grub for us back then.

I am very familiar with toxicology and have worked for years with
toxicologists and their labs.Â* Now retired I have written and been
responsible for thousands of safety data sheets in my consulting.

When working, my company often refused to sell chemicals to companies
that could not handle them responsibly.

I hear that, happily I worked for years for Mobil, then moved on to
some of the larger chemical and refining companies. As a safety
professional I got several people fired for not doing their due
diligence and have pulled wounded and dead out of something that
should never have happened. You teach people the right way to do
things and then they go dumb on you just once and kaboom! I'm glad I'm
retired and don't have to do that anymore. We could certainly throw
out some old stories over a cup of coffee. I go to reunions for a
couple of companies, now all combined with the big boys, and we
revisit our youth and some revisit their foolishness. I'm glad I'm
retired.


I worked for DuPont in fibers and plastics R&D but spent the last 3
years as a regulatory affairs consultant.Â* Had to take early retirement
as company began to shrink.Â* They are now Dow-DuPont.Â* The years in
regulatory gave me good experience to consult but that is now down to
1-2 days a month.Â* Makes me stay current with computers and new rules.

I spent the last sixteen or seventeen years of my career as a lone
safety professional, working from home. Wrote hundreds of safety
manual's, had a goodly amount of small companies that worked for the big
companies. Did their monthly safety meetings, wrote their safety
manuals, visited the big chemical plants and refineries, etc. to do walk
rounds to see if the client workers were working safely, etc. Enjoyed
doing the job on my own until one day I started having strokes and heart
attacks and finally had to retire. Gave my business to my best friend
who I had been training for some time. He called me a couple of weeks
ago, he turned 70 and turned the business over to his two sons to run.
So it keeps going on, I hope, with teaching people to be safe. I'm a
third generation worker in refineries, chemical plants, etc. and the
only one who worked in safety. I don't miss making the rounds as my
health is not so good, the reason I turned it over to my friend. Keep it
up my friend, you may be saving lives and doing good.

Frank 07-10-2017 12:33 PM

october already!
 
On 10/6/2017 9:23 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/6/2017 5:51 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 9:26 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 7:22 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:03 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 5:54 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote:
Frank wrote:
...
I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to
shell and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in
the evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as
peanuts.

Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those
trees still around any longer?


I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and
saturate my
friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up
as much as
they wanted.

Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major
source of fodder for animals in the forest and
many people would let pigs run to fatten up and
then...


Â*Â* songbird


Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is
supposedly returning and a few years ago I tried a few of
these chestnuts and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the
wood of the Chinese tree is as good as the American tree.
I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew
in my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have
the same taste?

George

It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as
Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at
friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in
said they were American chestnuts.

I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused
as there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I
have never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow
into the chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops
of both trees and often see a lot of worms.Â* These little
buggers can even bore through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've
eaten more than a few. This year's crop appears clean.Â* You
spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before harvest.
We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near
died from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and
then wash stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things
"naturally" when the world is full of things that want to screw
up your garden. Particularly when you're close enough to the
harbor for Houston and all the junk the ships bring in. Some have
destroyed crops that have been grown for a very long time. Then
the gubmint says "You can't spray that, it might hurt the
atmosphere or something else." Heck, I used to flag crop dusters
as a kid with just a bandana tied over my face. I think all that
"poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like being petrified or
so0mething. VBG

When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the
enemies surround them nearby.Â* I had trouble with apple worms and
fungus when I had apple trees.Â* I used to bicycle past an orchard
on Sunday mornings and saw them spraying.Â* Bet there was not a bug
or fungus within a mile after they were done.Â* I also suspect they
did not have to spray that often as it would take awhile before
they were invaded by surrounding bugs.

Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English walnuts.
If an orchard knocked their population down it would take a much
longer time to recover than my trees surrounded by woods full of
squirrels.

I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of
chemicals but in their judicious use.
I made my living for sixteen years making chemicals, but not the
type you're thinking of, just little stuff like benzene, etc. G
After the 16 years as a grunt I moved into management with several
different chemical plants and refineries. We were careful in
handling the stuff and what we sold off to other companies had the
proper paper work for handling them. Unfortunately lots of small
companies made really bad chemicals for bugs, etc. that were two
steppers, get a good bit of the chemical, walk two steps and fall
over dead. Like you I am cautious about any over the counter or
home made chemicals and read the cautions part four or five times.
Breathing some of that stuff fifty years ago or so didn't help my
health. Anyone that handles any kind of chemical, even the ones
under the kitchen sink, needs to be fully aware of what happens if
you breath it, drink it, or get it on you. Amen!

No question.Â* I am often telling my wife to be careful with her use
of bleach and need for ventilation when cooking.
I do too, my wife often cooks without turning on the fan over the
stove, goes straight out through the wall. She's an artist, does that
ring a bell about safety? Years ago we lived in a small trailer house
and I put in a fan above the stove in the wall. When we built our
first home I sold the trailer and got an extra $100 bucks due to the
fan, which cost something like ten bucks. In those days I made $2.50
an hour as a top operator in a chemical plant and ten bucks was a lot
of money to us. Nowadays guys doing what I did in the sixties are
making what sounds like big money but buys about the same amount of
grub for us back then.

I am very familiar with toxicology and have worked for years with
toxicologists and their labs.Â* Now retired I have written and been
responsible for thousands of safety data sheets in my consulting.

When working, my company often refused to sell chemicals to
companies that could not handle them responsibly.
I hear that, happily I worked for years for Mobil, then moved on to
some of the larger chemical and refining companies. As a safety
professional I got several people fired for not doing their due
diligence and have pulled wounded and dead out of something that
should never have happened. You teach people the right way to do
things and then they go dumb on you just once and kaboom! I'm glad
I'm retired and don't have to do that anymore. We could certainly
throw out some old stories over a cup of coffee. I go to reunions for
a couple of companies, now all combined with the big boys, and we
revisit our youth and some revisit their foolishness. I'm glad I'm
retired.


I worked for DuPont in fibers and plastics R&D but spent the last 3
years as a regulatory affairs consultant.Â* Had to take early
retirement as company began to shrink.Â* They are now Dow-DuPont.Â* The
years in regulatory gave me good experience to consult but that is now
down to 1-2 days a month.Â* Makes me stay current with computers and
new rules.

I spent the last sixteen or seventeen years of my career as a lone
safety professional, working from home. Wrote hundreds of safety
manual's, had a goodly amount of small companies that worked for the big
companies. Did their monthly safety meetings, wrote their safety
manuals, visited the big chemical plants and refineries, etc. to do walk
rounds to see if the client workers were working safely, etc. Enjoyed
doing the job on my own until one day I started having strokes and heart
attacks and finally had to retire. Gave my business to my best friend
who I had been training for some time. He called me a couple of weeks
ago, he turned 70 and turned the business over to his two sons to run.
So it keeps going on, I hope, with teaching people to be safe. I'm a
third generation worker in refineries, chemical plants, etc. and the
only one who worked in safety. I don't miss making the rounds as my
health is not so good, the reason I turned it over to my friend. Keep it
up my friend, you may be saving lives and doing good.


My work dealt with safety of our polymer products. I was responsible
for elastomers, Teflon finishes and acrylics and monomers that made
them. I was department coordinator with our Haskell toxicology lab and
a backup TSCA coordinator. I worked with business managers setting up
product safety compliance reviews. We worked with company regulatory
groups in Canada, Europe and Asia so I had to be familiar with rules in
these areas. I had contacts with EPA, FDA and OSHA.

When I was in R&D our outlook was limited to R&D, manufacturing and
marketing with little contact with upper company management but
regulatory had me working with several upper management layers and it
was eye opening to learn business scope.

Before I left R&D DuPont Central Research tried to get me for a couple
of positions but since R&D was declining and these jobs were related to
another department, they shoved their people there. Probably ended up
better with gaining regulatory and safety skills as this lab is now kaput.

George Shirley[_3_] 07-10-2017 12:43 PM

october already!
 
On 10/7/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/6/2017 9:23 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/6/2017 5:51 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 9:26 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 7:22 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:03 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 5:54 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote:
Frank wrote:
...
I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to
shell and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in
the evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as
peanuts.

Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those
trees still around any longer?


I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and
saturate my
friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up
as much as
they wanted.

Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major
source of fodder for animals in the forest and
many people would let pigs run to fatten up and
then...


Â*Â* songbird


Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is
supposedly returning and a few years ago I tried a few of
these chestnuts and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the
wood of the Chinese tree is as good as the American tree.
I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew
in my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they
have the same taste?

George

It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as
Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at
friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in
said they were American chestnuts.

I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused
as there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I
have never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow
into the chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops
of both trees and often see a lot of worms.Â* These little
buggers can even bore through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've
eaten more than a few. This year's crop appears clean.Â* You
spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before harvest.
We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near
died from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and
then wash stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown
things "naturally" when the world is full of things that want to
screw up your garden. Particularly when you're close enough to
the harbor for Houston and all the junk the ships bring in. Some
have destroyed crops that have been grown for a very long time.
Then the gubmint says "You can't spray that, it might hurt the
atmosphere or something else." Heck, I used to flag crop dusters
as a kid with just a bandana tied over my face. I think all that
"poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like being petrified
or so0mething. VBG

When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the
enemies surround them nearby.Â* I had trouble with apple worms and
fungus when I had apple trees.Â* I used to bicycle past an orchard
on Sunday mornings and saw them spraying.Â* Bet there was not a
bug or fungus within a mile after they were done.Â* I also suspect
they did not have to spray that often as it would take awhile
before they were invaded by surrounding bugs.

Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English
walnuts. If an orchard knocked their population down it would
take a much longer time to recover than my trees surrounded by
woods full of squirrels.

I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of
chemicals but in their judicious use.
I made my living for sixteen years making chemicals, but not the
type you're thinking of, just little stuff like benzene, etc. G
After the 16 years as a grunt I moved into management with several
different chemical plants and refineries. We were careful in
handling the stuff and what we sold off to other companies had the
proper paper work for handling them. Unfortunately lots of small
companies made really bad chemicals for bugs, etc. that were two
steppers, get a good bit of the chemical, walk two steps and fall
over dead. Like you I am cautious about any over the counter or
home made chemicals and read the cautions part four or five times.
Breathing some of that stuff fifty years ago or so didn't help my
health. Anyone that handles any kind of chemical, even the ones
under the kitchen sink, needs to be fully aware of what happens if
you breath it, drink it, or get it on you. Amen!

No question.Â* I am often telling my wife to be careful with her use
of bleach and need for ventilation when cooking.
I do too, my wife often cooks without turning on the fan over the
stove, goes straight out through the wall. She's an artist, does
that ring a bell about safety? Years ago we lived in a small trailer
house and I put in a fan above the stove in the wall. When we built
our first home I sold the trailer and got an extra $100 bucks due to
the fan, which cost something like ten bucks. In those days I made
$2.50 an hour as a top operator in a chemical plant and ten bucks
was a lot of money to us. Nowadays guys doing what I did in the
sixties are making what sounds like big money but buys about the
same amount of grub for us back then.

I am very familiar with toxicology and have worked for years with
toxicologists and their labs.Â* Now retired I have written and been
responsible for thousands of safety data sheets in my consulting.

When working, my company often refused to sell chemicals to
companies that could not handle them responsibly.
I hear that, happily I worked for years for Mobil, then moved on to
some of the larger chemical and refining companies. As a safety
professional I got several people fired for not doing their due
diligence and have pulled wounded and dead out of something that
should never have happened. You teach people the right way to do
things and then they go dumb on you just once and kaboom! I'm glad
I'm retired and don't have to do that anymore. We could certainly
throw out some old stories over a cup of coffee. I go to reunions
for a couple of companies, now all combined with the big boys, and
we revisit our youth and some revisit their foolishness. I'm glad
I'm retired.


I worked for DuPont in fibers and plastics R&D but spent the last 3
years as a regulatory affairs consultant.Â* Had to take early
retirement as company began to shrink.Â* They are now Dow-DuPont.Â* The
years in regulatory gave me good experience to consult but that is
now down to 1-2 days a month.Â* Makes me stay current with computers
and new rules.

I spent the last sixteen or seventeen years of my career as a lone
safety professional, working from home. Wrote hundreds of safety
manual's, had a goodly amount of small companies that worked for the
big companies. Did their monthly safety meetings, wrote their safety
manuals, visited the big chemical plants and refineries, etc. to do
walk rounds to see if the client workers were working safely, etc.
Enjoyed doing the job on my own until one day I started having strokes
and heart attacks and finally had to retire. Gave my business to my
best friend who I had been training for some time. He called me a
couple of weeks ago, he turned 70 and turned the business over to his
two sons to run. So it keeps going on, I hope, with teaching people to
be safe. I'm a third generation worker in refineries, chemical plants,
etc. and the only one who worked in safety. I don't miss making the
rounds as my health is not so good, the reason I turned it over to my
friend. Keep it up my friend, you may be saving lives and doing good.


My work dealt with safety of our polymer products.Â* I was responsible
for elastomers, Teflon finishes and acrylics and monomers that made
them.Â* I was department coordinator with our Haskell toxicology lab and
a backup TSCA coordinator.Â* I worked with business managers setting up
product safety compliance reviews.Â* We worked with company regulatory
groups in Canada, Europe and Asia so I had to be familiar with rules in
these areas.Â* I had contacts with EPA, FDA and OSHA.

When I was in R&D our outlook was limited to R&D, manufacturing and
marketing with little contact with upper company management but
regulatory had me working with several upper management layers and it
was eye opening to learn business scope.

Before I left R&D DuPont Central Research tried to get me for a couple
of positions but since R&D was declining and these jobs were related to
another department, they shoved their people there.Â* Probably ended up
better with gaining regulatory and safety skills as this lab is now kaput.

I finally gave in and retired completely after seeing how bad some
companies were and are still. Stopped writing safety manuals and just
said the hell with it. I'm much happier and much healthier since I hung
up my hard hat. Still have problems from long ago strokes and heart
attacks but still kicking along at age 78. Just got my DNA test back
last night and it is not what my parents claimed. I'm not a half breed
Native American, only less than 1% Native, my folks claimed more. Of
course there was no DNA tests when they were young and just knew what
their parents told them. Dang!

Frank 07-10-2017 01:52 PM

october already!
 
On 10/7/2017 7:43 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/7/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/6/2017 9:23 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/6/2017 5:51 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 9:26 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 7:22 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:03 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 5:54 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote:
Frank wrote:
...
I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like
to shell and
freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in
the evening
with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the
refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as
peanuts.

Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those
trees still around any longer?


I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and
saturate my
friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick
up as much as
they wanted.

Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major
source of fodder for animals in the forest and
many people would let pigs run to fatten up and
then...


Â*Â* songbird


Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is
supposedly returning and a few years ago I tried a few of
these chestnuts and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the
wood of the Chinese tree is as good as the American tree.
I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew
in my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they
have the same taste?

George

It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same
as Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was
at friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them
in said they were American chestnuts.

I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they
refused as there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut
weevil that I have never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and
they burrow into the chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't
reach the tops of both trees and often see a lot of worms.
These little buggers can even bore through a plastic bag.Â* I'm
sure I've eaten more than a few. This year's crop appears
clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before
harvest.
We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned
near died from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just
spray and then wash stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to
grown things "naturally" when the world is full of things that
want to screw up your garden. Particularly when you're close
enough to the harbor for Houston and all the junk the ships
bring in. Some have destroyed crops that have been grown for a
very long time. Then the gubmint says "You can't spray that, it
might hurt the atmosphere or something else." Heck, I used to
flag crop dusters as a kid with just a bandana tied over my
face. I think all that "poison" is why I'm still around, sort
of like being petrified or so0mething. VBG

When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the
enemies surround them nearby.Â* I had trouble with apple worms
and fungus when I had apple trees.Â* I used to bicycle past an
orchard on Sunday mornings and saw them spraying.Â* Bet there was
not a bug or fungus within a mile after they were done.Â* I also
suspect they did not have to spray that often as it would take
awhile before they were invaded by surrounding bugs.

Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English
walnuts. If an orchard knocked their population down it would
take a much longer time to recover than my trees surrounded by
woods full of squirrels.

I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of
chemicals but in their judicious use.
I made my living for sixteen years making chemicals, but not the
type you're thinking of, just little stuff like benzene, etc. G
After the 16 years as a grunt I moved into management with
several different chemical plants and refineries. We were careful
in handling the stuff and what we sold off to other companies had
the proper paper work for handling them. Unfortunately lots of
small companies made really bad chemicals for bugs, etc. that
were two steppers, get a good bit of the chemical, walk two steps
and fall over dead. Like you I am cautious about any over the
counter or home made chemicals and read the cautions part four or
five times. Breathing some of that stuff fifty years ago or so
didn't help my health. Anyone that handles any kind of chemical,
even the ones under the kitchen sink, needs to be fully aware of
what happens if you breath it, drink it, or get it on you. Amen!

No question.Â* I am often telling my wife to be careful with her
use of bleach and need for ventilation when cooking.
I do too, my wife often cooks without turning on the fan over the
stove, goes straight out through the wall. She's an artist, does
that ring a bell about safety? Years ago we lived in a small
trailer house and I put in a fan above the stove in the wall. When
we built our first home I sold the trailer and got an extra $100
bucks due to the fan, which cost something like ten bucks. In those
days I made $2.50 an hour as a top operator in a chemical plant and
ten bucks was a lot of money to us. Nowadays guys doing what I did
in the sixties are making what sounds like big money but buys about
the same amount of grub for us back then.

I am very familiar with toxicology and have worked for years with
toxicologists and their labs.Â* Now retired I have written and been
responsible for thousands of safety data sheets in my consulting.

When working, my company often refused to sell chemicals to
companies that could not handle them responsibly.
I hear that, happily I worked for years for Mobil, then moved on to
some of the larger chemical and refining companies. As a safety
professional I got several people fired for not doing their due
diligence and have pulled wounded and dead out of something that
should never have happened. You teach people the right way to do
things and then they go dumb on you just once and kaboom! I'm glad
I'm retired and don't have to do that anymore. We could certainly
throw out some old stories over a cup of coffee. I go to reunions
for a couple of companies, now all combined with the big boys, and
we revisit our youth and some revisit their foolishness. I'm glad
I'm retired.


I worked for DuPont in fibers and plastics R&D but spent the last 3
years as a regulatory affairs consultant.Â* Had to take early
retirement as company began to shrink.Â* They are now Dow-DuPont.
The years in regulatory gave me good experience to consult but that
is now down to 1-2 days a month.Â* Makes me stay current with
computers and new rules.
I spent the last sixteen or seventeen years of my career as a lone
safety professional, working from home. Wrote hundreds of safety
manual's, had a goodly amount of small companies that worked for the
big companies. Did their monthly safety meetings, wrote their safety
manuals, visited the big chemical plants and refineries, etc. to do
walk rounds to see if the client workers were working safely, etc.
Enjoyed doing the job on my own until one day I started having
strokes and heart attacks and finally had to retire. Gave my business
to my best friend who I had been training for some time. He called me
a couple of weeks ago, he turned 70 and turned the business over to
his two sons to run. So it keeps going on, I hope, with teaching
people to be safe. I'm a third generation worker in refineries,
chemical plants, etc. and the only one who worked in safety. I don't
miss making the rounds as my health is not so good, the reason I
turned it over to my friend. Keep it up my friend, you may be saving
lives and doing good.


My work dealt with safety of our polymer products.Â* I was responsible
for elastomers, Teflon finishes and acrylics and monomers that made
them.Â* I was department coordinator with our Haskell toxicology lab
and a backup TSCA coordinator.Â* I worked with business managers
setting up product safety compliance reviews.Â* We worked with company
regulatory groups in Canada, Europe and Asia so I had to be familiar
with rules in these areas.Â* I had contacts with EPA, FDA and OSHA.

When I was in R&D our outlook was limited to R&D, manufacturing and
marketing with little contact with upper company management but
regulatory had me working with several upper management layers and it
was eye opening to learn business scope.

Before I left R&D DuPont Central Research tried to get me for a couple
of positions but since R&D was declining and these jobs were related
to another department, they shoved their people there.Â* Probably ended
up better with gaining regulatory and safety skills as this lab is now
kaput.

I finally gave in and retired completely after seeing how bad some
companies were and are still. Stopped writing safety manuals and just
said the hell with it. I'm much happier and much healthier since I hung
up my hard hat. Still have problems from long ago strokes and heart
attacks but still kicking along at age 78. Just got my DNA test back
last night and it is not what my parents claimed. I'm not a half breed
Native American, only less than 1% Native, my folks claimed more. Of
course there was no DNA tests when they were young and just knew what
their parents told them. Dang!


Interesting. I got mine back a couple of weeks ago and it was unusual.
I thought I was half Italian and half Lithuanian but Italian part is
only 20% and rest is central and eastern European. 14% European Jew
which I guess means the tribes of that region that migrated to Europe.

One daughter in laws sister is into genealogy and is a member of the
DAR. She had the test and found 2% African and demanded her parents
take the test to see where it came from. My daughter in law thinks this
is funny and when I asked her what she thought she said it just means an
ancestor was adventuresome. Our new granddaughter is 1% African and I
told my lawyer son that it is good and would qualify her as a minority
who could become a law professor at Harvard.

George Shirley[_3_] 07-10-2017 02:48 PM

october already!
 
On 10/7/2017 7:52 AM, Frank wrote:

I finally gave in and retired completely after seeing how bad some
companies were and are still. Stopped writing safety manuals and just
said the hell with it. I'm much happier and much healthier since I
hung up my hard hat. Still have problems from long ago strokes and
heart attacks but still kicking along at age 78. Just got my DNA test
back last night and it is not what my parents claimed. I'm not a half
breed Native American, only less than 1% Native, my folks claimed
more. Of course there was no DNA tests when they were young and just
knew what their parents told them. Dang!


Interesting.Â* I got mine back a couple of weeks ago and it was unusual.
I thought I was half Italian and half Lithuanian but Italian part is
only 20% and rest is central and eastern European. 14% European Jew
which I guess means the tribes of that region that migrated to Europe.

One daughter in laws sister is into genealogy and is a member of the
DAR.Â* She had the test and found 2% African and demanded her parents
take the test to see where it came from.Â* My daughter in law thinks this
is funny and when I asked her what she thought she said it just means an
ancestor was adventuresome.Â* Our new granddaughter is 1% African and I
told my lawyer son that it is good and would qualify her as a minority
who could become a law professor at Harvard.


In the south of the USA there are probably a tint of African blood in a
lot of people. Could be even from when our family was still in the home
land, overseas. I see nothing to worry about in my bloodline, just
waiting for wife's DNA to come in. Her folks were mostly German and
English so it should be interesting too. My folks and hers have been
gone a good while. I have one half sister still living but in late
eighties and lives in a nursing home now. We haven't spoken in 20 years
or more and there won't be any before we are both gone. I'm hoping to go
to sleep one night and not wake up. I've had enough surgeries, etc. and
am still kicking, well, can't kick, can only walk on flat surfaces, but
I can still get around with my cane so I'm happy. I have about a dozen
canes, mostly bought when we were exploring Asia and Europe. Couldn't
carry a gun so carried a heavy cane. My favorite cane rides in my car
and has several nicks in the heavy lacquer that hides the iron wood. G


Frank 07-10-2017 06:39 PM

october already!
 
On 10/7/2017 9:48 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/7/2017 7:52 AM, Frank wrote:

I finally gave in and retired completely after seeing how bad some
companies were and are still. Stopped writing safety manuals and just
said the hell with it. I'm much happier and much healthier since I
hung up my hard hat. Still have problems from long ago strokes and
heart attacks but still kicking along at age 78. Just got my DNA test
back last night and it is not what my parents claimed. I'm not a half
breed Native American, only less than 1% Native, my folks claimed
more. Of course there was no DNA tests when they were young and just
knew what their parents told them. Dang!


Interesting.Â* I got mine back a couple of weeks ago and it was
unusual. I thought I was half Italian and half Lithuanian but Italian
part is only 20% and rest is central and eastern European. 14%
European Jew which I guess means the tribes of that region that
migrated to Europe.

One daughter in laws sister is into genealogy and is a member of the
DAR.Â* She had the test and found 2% African and demanded her parents
take the test to see where it came from.Â* My daughter in law thinks
this is funny and when I asked her what she thought she said it just
means an ancestor was adventuresome.Â* Our new granddaughter is 1%
African and I told my lawyer son that it is good and would qualify her
as a minority who could become a law professor at Harvard.


In the south of the USA there are probably a tint of African blood in a
lot of people. Could be even from when our family was still in the home
land, overseas. I see nothing to worry about in my bloodline, just
waiting for wife's DNA to come in. Her folks were mostly German and
English so it should be interesting too. My folks and hers have been
gone a good while. I have one half sister still living but in late
eighties and lives in a nursing home now. We haven't spoken in 20 years
or more and there won't be any before we are both gone. I'm hoping to go
to sleep one night and not wake up. I've had enough surgeries, etc. and
am still kicking, well, can't kick, can only walk on flat surfaces, but
I can still get around with my cane so I'm happy. I have about a dozen
canes, mostly bought when we were exploring Asia and Europe. Couldn't
carry a gun so carried a heavy cane. My favorite cane rides in my car
and has several nicks in the heavy lacquer that hides the iron wood. G


I was surprised that neither wife or I had any african trace. Her and a
son had done theirs before me. Her parents were of Greek extraction
born in Turkey. She had told me that I was responisble for the 7%
European Jew in our son and I figured that her family lines were closer
to that area but she was right. I sent my results to my brother and
told him he did not need to get his.

I still have all my facilities but they just do not work as well. I
walked 2 miles this morning but was walking 4 last year. Kness started
bothering me doing it every day. Mentioned that I am giving up hunting
as all I have access to is public land and not being handicapped cannot
hunt the closest stands. Last year I had to walk a mile and a quarter
to reach the assigned stand in muzzle loader season. Also getting up at
3 am to get on the road by 4 and get there by 5 to claim stand drawn in
lottery is no fun. I was almost late getting the stand because of road
construction.

Went to my shooting club yesterday after over 4 months and was surprised
how poor shooting was until I started practicing. Things really get out
of tune without practice. I do have early stage AMD which affects
target accquisition.

Most important to maintain is mental facilities. My father spent 5
years in a nursing home with multi infarct dementia after a stroke. He
died at 88. One of my classmates, the best athlete, just died of
dementia. He excelled in all sports but won a football scholarship to
Maryland and was drafted by the pros. He only spent a year there as at
6 feet tall and only 200 pounds was too small. Could have been head
trauma but I've seen it in a lot of non-athletic friends.

Wife met our new family doctor yesterday and was given dementia test.
She said this morning, "I don't think I needed that test, what do you
think?" Then said, "Don't answer that."

George Shirley[_3_] 07-10-2017 07:08 PM

october already!
 
On 10/7/2017 11:10 AM, wrote:
George Shirley wrote:

The boss lady and I turned out the 22 cubic foot freezer after lunch.
Found frozen stuff back to 2012 tucked away into corners. Still good
mostly but it seemed that several bags that were vacuum pumped didn't
actually seal.

Our freezer is empty and clean at this time. We disposed of a fair
proportion of its contents during a recent extended electricity outage.
Moved items we judged to be safe to eat into the fridge freezer when the
juice came back on but left the freezer empty for a thorough cleaning.
In the late 1990's my wife and I did a real-world test of every
counter top vacuum sealer as well as every brand of bags available to us
at retail, OTC and online. The best of the vacuum pumps was Tilia
Foodsaver but I can achieve a higher vacuum using my modified high-end
bicyle pump. More importantly, for practical purposes, 100% of the
heat-sealed bags failed within a few months. Most of them failed at the
"factory" seams; very few failed at the appliance's heat seal. That's
why I use Mason jars. In earlier days, we vacuum-stored some dried and
some frozen foods in Mason jars. Don't do it anymore but still have the
works ;-) Same for pressure canning, although, I dont think we'd use
our present stock of jars for pressure canning.
The last time I used the Tilia Foodsaver was to remove excess fluid
from an overfilled automatic transmission. That would have been 2001,
'02, or thereabouts. I recently sent the Foodsaver to the landfill
because it is dead.

Our foodsaver is still chugging along even though it is almost 20 years
old. Had thought of buying one of the high dollar ones but still keep
the food saver.
Instead of going through the blanching, chilling, etc. preparatory
to freezing stuff, as often as is reasonable, we incoporate garden
produce, AWA some store-bought vegies, into finished or nearly finished
side dishes that are frozen. Easy enough to do as part of regular meal
preparation. We just cook enough of whatever for, say, four (or however
many) instead of just for two. I'm serious when observing that I garden
to eat thaw 'n gnaw! I pay the electricity co-op to let us bypass that
other stuff.

We do much the same when we have large crops coming in and we want to
hang onto the grub instead of passing it along to kids, grands, etc.

But we definitely still have the "works".


Man, I just can't get okra right. Always seem to plant more than is
needed and have way too much in the freezer (most of it the last step
away from ready to fry), not to mention daily new okra but you have to
keep taking it in order to keep getting it. The two "spineless"
varieties that I grow regularly become noticeably less so as the plants
mature at summer's end. I usually plant new okra in late summer instead
of continuing to prune crapped-out bushes. Began getting okra from this
year's fall stand a couple of days back. If winter holds off like it
"should", there'll be okra in the freezer fairly soon. Got mustards
under them doing nicely. Also have late peppers (two varieties of sweet
bell peppers, two of jalapeño, one pepperoncini, two of Tabasco. Most
of them will be diced and frozen immediately, although some of the japs
are frozen whole. Don't know what to do with the pepperoncini but I'm
thinking of using some in a BWB pepper vinegar (called "pepper sauce" in
parts of the South) in the same manner as the jalapeño and Tabasco.
BIL's recipe is fine with me.

Okra, in our climate, grows like the weed it is. Wife dearly loves the
stuff, I eat it french fried in deep oil, or in a gumbo or a soup. I've
seen the woman eat it raw. Yuck!

Hah! We tried that map thing. Keeping the map updated and useful
became an exercise in futility that we sometimes laugh about now, when
we have to put our heads together to try figure out what's where. Now,
it seems that we've sort of divided the freezer into invisible "areas"
into which we pretend to separate foods by nebulous categories.

If I'm the one doing the diving it works, if wife goes in everything
gets jumbled up. I now carry the key to the big freezer so she can't get
into it, otherwise it gets tossed around.

Where I lived in earlier years, we always had citrus including now
antique orange varieties, grapefruit, kumquats, tangerine, tangelo.
Also at times had papaya, mango and guavas. Several successive cold
winters took out the papaya, mangoes, and guavas and significantly
reduced the amount of dooryard citrus. Guavas are coming back in the
phosphate mining areas. Where I live now, we have a sour as hell
volunteer (seedling) tangerine tree that, after years and years finally
gets enough sunshine to produce small sour tangerines, although, my
neighbor insists that its "Clementine" oranges. I don't think the guy
ever has seen and actuall Clementine. From 1977 to winter of 1983-'84
we drove through miles of mature orange groves to get here. The even
colder winter of 1988 or thereabouts not only took out the survivors of
the previous super cold but also the replacement trees. The growers
wisely gave up citrus and now all of that land is planted with pine
trees. The surface water that moderated the winter chill, making citrus
cultivation possible in central and west-central Florida, now is all
gone out the sewers or St. Petersburg, Clearwater and the rest of
Pinellas County, which essentially is not fit for human habitation due
to the absence of fresh ground water. Af course, as long as the yankee
assholes running this and neighboring counties keep selling them water
to flush their toilets, everything's fine, just fine and they all expect
to be dead by the time the water runs out or all becomes salty so why
care?.

The pear tree still has several small pears still getting
a little bigger. Was afraid there would be no pears nor kumquats after
the hard freezes of last January. I would like to put in another fruit
tree but am not sure there is enough room in this small property.

We have no pears, apples or peaches that do well in this climate,
despite past attempts to introduce "improved" varieties that were
purported to be fit for this climate and soil.
Within my memory, folks have tried growing varieties of
blackberries, apples, wine grapes, table grapes, and as far as I can
tell the only success accrued to the folks selling stuff to the farmers.
I have a neighbor with a long history of trying diiferent cultivars
of peaches with no success. They usually get duped into blooming by
warm January and February days only to have the blossoms burned by
freezing temperatures, which can occur at any time during those months.
In addition, the peach foliage simply can't take the summer sun. Sun
scald and leaf curling are chronic manifestations. In the event a few
tiny peaches appear, they're almost 100% (used to be 100% but great
strides have been made....) certain to be infested with the maggots of a
tiny opportunistic wasp which laid her eggs in the blossoms' ovaries.
Sensible folks who've been in this part of the country for any length of
time don't waste their efforts on peaches, apples, etc. but the handy
homeowner stores continue to sell them to somebody, I dont know whom.
The same folks who buy strawberry plants or seed potatoes in the spring,
I guess.

I have the same problem with my wife being suckered by the big plant
stores. Oh yeah, this will grow anywhere. Generally she babies it for a
year and then it gets ripped out. Keep telling her that we have three
fruit trees that will grow here, a fig, a kumquat, and a pear bred by a
local state guy that found it as a cross tree in his orchard. If it
doesn't get frozen in January occasionally we get a good crop from it.
She also plants avocado seeds to see if she can get a tree, nope, a
freeze comes by and they turn into dead bushes. When we lived in
Louisiana I had a cross tree between a lemon and an orange, made huge
lemons and lived through the frosts. Kumquats in Louisiana, kumquats in
Texas, produce like crazy and I like them. I can buy apples, etc. at the
local supermarket cheaper than I can keep trying to grow my own.

Here we are on 10/7 and it's 80F outside, only in Texas.

George Shirley[_3_] 07-10-2017 07:27 PM

october already!
 
On 10/7/2017 12:39 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/7/2017 9:48 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/7/2017 7:52 AM, Frank wrote:


Interesting.Â* I got mine back a couple of weeks ago and it was
unusual. I thought I was half Italian and half Lithuanian but Italian
part is only 20% and rest is central and eastern European. 14%
European Jew which I guess means the tribes of that region that
migrated to Europe.

One daughter in laws sister is into genealogy and is a member of the
DAR.Â* She had the test and found 2% African and demanded her parents
take the test to see where it came from.Â* My daughter in law thinks
this is funny and when I asked her what she thought she said it just
means an ancestor was adventuresome.Â* Our new granddaughter is 1%
African and I told my lawyer son that it is good and would qualify
her as a minority who could become a law professor at Harvard.


I think it's funny too. Probably most folks including Swede's etc. have
African blood. People are people when it comes to getting it on.

I was surprised that neither wife or I had any african trace.Â* Her and a
son had done theirs before me.Â* Her parents were of Greek extraction
born in Turkey.Â* She had told me that I was responisble for the 7%
European Jew in our son and I figured that her family lines were closer
to that area but she was right.Â* I sent my results to my brother and
told him he did not need to get his.


That's the people are people thing again. Ma Nature is always at work.

I still have all my facilities but they just do not work as well.Â* I
walked 2 miles this morning but was walking 4 last year. Kness started
bothering me doing it every day. Mentioned that I am giving up hunting
as all I have access to is public land and not being handicapped cannot
hunt the closest stands.Â* Last year I had to walk a mile and a quarter
to reach the assigned stand in muzzle loader season.Â* Also getting up at
3 am to get on the road by 4 and get there by 5 to claim stand drawn in
lottery is no fun.Â* I was almost late getting the stand because of road
construction.


Tell me about it, took one of those tests to see how smart you are many
years ago, came out with an IQ of 145, I would bet now that it is half
that now. G

Went to my shooting club yesterday after over 4 months and was surprised
how poor shooting was until I started practicing.Â* Things really get out
of tune without practice.Â* I do have early stage AMD which affects
target accquisition.


I mentioned before, I think, I was a gunsmith, ran a gun shop, hunted
every season, built my own guns from old military rifles, my favorite is
a 6.5 that I built on a Italian rifle from WWII with a new barrel,
stock, etc. Put down a lot of deer and hogs with it. Have five firearms
and a pistol in the gun cabinet near by and just clean them annually. My
grandsons want nothing to do with weapons or hunting so I will probably
sell them one day. Can't walk in the field or woods, can't afford a
hunting lease, don't want to go into public lands during hunting season
since I saw the results in the newspaper. Life is a bitch and then you
die. Old Texas words.

Most important to maintain is mental facilities.Â* My father spent 5
years in a nursing home with multi infarct dementia after a stroke.Â* He
died at 88.Â* One of my classmates, the best athlete, just died of
dementia.Â* He excelled in all sports but won a football scholarship to
Maryland and was drafted by the pros.Â* He only spent a year there as at
6 feet tall and only 200 pounds was too small.Â* Could have been head
trauma but I've seen it in a lot of non-athletic friends.

Wife met our new family doctor yesterday and was given dementia test.
She said this morning, "I don't think I needed that test, what do you
think?"Â* Then said, "Don't answer that."


Mine does that occasionally, I just smile gently and go on about my
business with the smile still on. I haven't had a dementia test, YET.


Frank 08-10-2017 12:31 AM

october already!
 
On 10/7/2017 2:27 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/7/2017 12:39 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/7/2017 9:48 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/7/2017 7:52 AM, Frank wrote:


Interesting.Â* I got mine back a couple of weeks ago and it was
unusual. I thought I was half Italian and half Lithuanian but
Italian part is only 20% and rest is central and eastern European.
14% European Jew which I guess means the tribes of that region that
migrated to Europe.

One daughter in laws sister is into genealogy and is a member of the
DAR.Â* She had the test and found 2% African and demanded her parents
take the test to see where it came from.Â* My daughter in law thinks
this is funny and when I asked her what she thought she said it just
means an ancestor was adventuresome.Â* Our new granddaughter is 1%
African and I told my lawyer son that it is good and would qualify
her as a minority who could become a law professor at Harvard.


I think it's funny too. Probably most folks including Swede's etc. have
African blood. People are people when it comes to getting it on.

I was surprised that neither wife or I had any african trace.Â* Her and
a son had done theirs before me.Â* Her parents were of Greek extraction
born in Turkey.Â* She had told me that I was responisble for the 7%
European Jew in our son and I figured that her family lines were
closer to that area but she was right.Â* I sent my results to my
brother and told him he did not need to get his.


That's the people are people thing again. Ma Nature is always at work.

I still have all my facilities but they just do not work as well.Â* I
walked 2 miles this morning but was walking 4 last year. Kness started
bothering me doing it every day. Mentioned that I am giving up hunting
as all I have access to is public land and not being handicapped
cannot hunt the closest stands.Â* Last year I had to walk a mile and a
quarter to reach the assigned stand in muzzle loader season.Â* Also
getting up at 3 am to get on the road by 4 and get there by 5 to claim
stand drawn in lottery is no fun.Â* I was almost late getting the stand
because of road construction.


Tell me about it, took one of those tests to see how smart you are many
years ago, came out with an IQ of 145, I would bet now that it is half
that now. G

Went to my shooting club yesterday after over 4 months and was
surprised how poor shooting was until I started practicing.Â* Things
really get out of tune without practice.Â* I do have early stage AMD
which affects target accquisition.


I mentioned before, I think, I was a gunsmith, ran a gun shop, hunted
every season, built my own guns from old military rifles, my favorite is
a 6.5 that I built on a Italian rifle from WWII with a new barrel,
stock, etc. Put down a lot of deer and hogs with it. Have five firearms
and a pistol in the gun cabinet near by and just clean them annually. My
grandsons want nothing to do with weapons or hunting so I will probably
sell them one day. Can't walk in the field or woods, can't afford a
hunting lease, don't want to go into public lands during hunting season
since I saw the results in the newspaper.Â* Life is a bitch and then you
die. Old Texas words.

Most important to maintain is mental facilities.Â* My father spent 5
years in a nursing home with multi infarct dementia after a stroke.
He died at 88.Â* One of my classmates, the best athlete, just died of
dementia.Â* He excelled in all sports but won a football scholarship to
Maryland and was drafted by the pros.Â* He only spent a year there as
at 6 feet tall and only 200 pounds was too small.Â* Could have been
head trauma but I've seen it in a lot of non-athletic friends.

Wife met our new family doctor yesterday and was given dementia test.
She said this morning, "I don't think I needed that test, what do you
think?"Â* Then said, "Don't answer that."


Mine does that occasionally, I just smile gently and go on about my
business with the smile still on. I haven't had a dementia test, YET.


Forgot about your gun business. Our sons take no interest in hunting
but all have guns as do the married ones wives. One's father in law is
retired and has a thriving holster business. Makes them out of Kydex
and if he cannot get a model for the mold but enough orders he buys them
for his company tax exempt.

Our new family doctor appears very young and probably just follows
latest medicare mandate on the test and I would not be surprised if you
could google up the test and find all the questions and answers.

I like what one elderly woman told me, that her hard drive was so full,
it took longer to retrieve the answer.

George Shirley[_3_] 08-10-2017 02:08 AM

october already!
 
On 10/7/2017 6:31 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/7/2017 2:27 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/7/2017 12:39 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/7/2017 9:48 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/7/2017 7:52 AM, Frank wrote:


Interesting.Â* I got mine back a couple of weeks ago and it was
unusual. I thought I was half Italian and half Lithuanian but
Italian part is only 20% and rest is central and eastern European.
14% European Jew which I guess means the tribes of that region that
migrated to Europe.

One daughter in laws sister is into genealogy and is a member of
the DAR.Â* She had the test and found 2% African and demanded her
parents take the test to see where it came from.Â* My daughter in
law thinks this is funny and when I asked her what she thought she
said it just means an ancestor was adventuresome.Â* Our new
granddaughter is 1% African and I told my lawyer son that it is
good and would qualify her as a minority who could become a law
professor at Harvard.


I think it's funny too. Probably most folks including Swede's etc.
have African blood. People are people when it comes to getting it on.

I was surprised that neither wife or I had any african trace.Â* Her
and a son had done theirs before me.Â* Her parents were of Greek
extraction born in Turkey.Â* She had told me that I was responisble
for the 7% European Jew in our son and I figured that her family
lines were closer to that area but she was right.Â* I sent my results
to my brother and told him he did not need to get his.


That's the people are people thing again. Ma Nature is always at work.

I still have all my facilities but they just do not work as well.Â* I
walked 2 miles this morning but was walking 4 last year. Kness
started bothering me doing it every day. Mentioned that I am giving
up hunting as all I have access to is public land and not being
handicapped cannot hunt the closest stands.Â* Last year I had to walk
a mile and a quarter to reach the assigned stand in muzzle loader
season.Â* Also getting up at 3 am to get on the road by 4 and get
there by 5 to claim stand drawn in lottery is no fun.Â* I was almost
late getting the stand because of road construction.


Tell me about it, took one of those tests to see how smart you are
many years ago, came out with an IQ of 145, I would bet now that it is
half that now. G

Went to my shooting club yesterday after over 4 months and was
surprised how poor shooting was until I started practicing.Â* Things
really get out of tune without practice.Â* I do have early stage AMD
which affects target accquisition.


I mentioned before, I think, I was a gunsmith, ran a gun shop, hunted
every season, built my own guns from old military rifles, my favorite
is a 6.5 that I built on a Italian rifle from WWII with a new barrel,
stock, etc. Put down a lot of deer and hogs with it. Have five
firearms and a pistol in the gun cabinet near by and just clean them
annually. My grandsons want nothing to do with weapons or hunting so I
will probably sell them one day. Can't walk in the field or woods,
can't afford a hunting lease, don't want to go into public lands
during hunting season since I saw the results in the newspaper.Â* Life
is a bitch and then you die. Old Texas words.

Most important to maintain is mental facilities.Â* My father spent 5
years in a nursing home with multi infarct dementia after a stroke.
He died at 88.Â* One of my classmates, the best athlete, just died of
dementia.Â* He excelled in all sports but won a football scholarship
to Maryland and was drafted by the pros.Â* He only spent a year there
as at 6 feet tall and only 200 pounds was too small.Â* Could have been
head trauma but I've seen it in a lot of non-athletic friends.

Wife met our new family doctor yesterday and was given dementia test.
She said this morning, "I don't think I needed that test, what do you
think?"Â* Then said, "Don't answer that."


Mine does that occasionally, I just smile gently and go on about my
business with the smile still on. I haven't had a dementia test, YET.


Forgot about your gun business.Â* Our sons take no interest in hunting
but all have guns as do the married ones wives.Â* One's father in law is
retired and has a thriving holster business.Â* Makes them out of Kydex
and if he cannot get a model for the mold but enough orders he buys them
for his company tax exempt.

Our new family doctor appears very young and probably just follows
latest medicare mandate on the test and I would not be surprised if you
could google up the test and find all the questions and answers.

I like what one elderly woman told me, that her hard drive was so full,
it took longer to retrieve the answer.

I believe that too, was trying to remember where I put my old family
genealogy and couldn't find it nor could I remember what it was. I think
I know where a hidden copy is on this computer so I will look for it
tomorrow and see if it is possible to get to it. Lost a couple of
computers a while back but managed to get the stuff needed most back, I
think. Here's the old geezer who, as a child and grown man too could
find anything I ever had. I hate forgetting stuff but I guess it goes
with getting older and older. I don't mind getting old, but I don't like
my mind going whacky.

George Shirley[_3_] 08-10-2017 08:38 PM

october already!
 
On 10/8/2017 12:07 PM, wrote:
George Shirley wrote:

On 10/7/2017 11:10 AM,
wrote:
George Shirley wrote:

The boss lady and I turned out the 22 cubic foot freezer after lunch.
Found frozen stuff back to 2012 tucked away into corners. Still good
mostly but it seemed that several bags that were vacuum pumped didn't
actually seal.
Our freezer is empty and clean at this time. We disposed of a fair
proportion of its contents during a recent extended electricity outage.
Moved items we judged to be safe to eat into the fridge freezer when the
juice came back on but left the freezer empty for a thorough cleaning.
In the late 1990's my wife and I did a real-world test of every
counter top vacuum sealer as well as every brand of bags available to us
at retail, OTC and online. The best of the vacuum pumps was Tilia
Foodsaver but I can achieve a higher vacuum using my modified high-end
bicyle pump. More importantly, for practical purposes, 100% of the
heat-sealed bags failed within a few months. Most of them failed at the
"factory" seams; very few failed at the appliance's heat seal. That's
why I use Mason jars. In earlier days, we vacuum-stored some dried and
some frozen foods in Mason jars. Don't do it anymore but still have the
works ;-) Same for pressure canning, although, I dont think we'd use
our present stock of jars for pressure canning.
The last time I used the Tilia Foodsaver was to remove excess fluid
from an overfilled automatic transmission. That would have been 2001,
'02, or thereabouts. I recently sent the Foodsaver to the landfill
because it is dead.

Our foodsaver is still chugging along even though it is almost 20 years
old. Had thought of buying one of the high dollar ones but still keep
the food saver.
Instead of going through the blanching, chilling, etc. preparatory
to freezing stuff, as often as is reasonable, we incoporate garden
produce, AWA some store-bought vegies, into finished or nearly finished
side dishes that are frozen. Easy enough to do as part of regular meal
preparation. We just cook enough of whatever for, say, four (or however
many) instead of just for two. I'm serious when observing that I garden
to eat thaw 'n gnaw! I pay the electricity co-op to let us bypass that
other stuff.

We do much the same when we have large crops coming in and we want to
hang onto the grub instead of passing it along to kids, grands, etc.

Neither Wife nor I has immediate family within a reasonable drive
and most of mine probably have gardens that would embarrass me, the only
neighbor with whom I'd actually _share_ food doesn't cook, and we
learned the hard way about in-kind donations to food banks and the like
so nowadays we try not to produce large crops. Just enough to feed us,
with a little "extra" for the freezer. Any excess goes into the
compost, which (theoretically) gives another shot at eating it, just in
a different form ;-). If we give it to people (none or whom knows what
actually needing food is or what "poverty" means), it just ends up in a
septic tank!

But we definitely still have the "works".


Man, I just can't get okra right. Always seem to plant more than is
needed and have way too much in the freezer (most of it the last step
away from ready to fry), not to mention daily new okra but you have to
keep taking it in order to keep getting it. The two "spineless"
varieties that I grow regularly become noticeably less so as the plants
mature at summer's end. I usually plant new okra in late summer instead
of continuing to prune crapped-out bushes. Began getting okra from this
year's fall stand a couple of days back. If winter holds off like it
"should", there'll be okra in the freezer fairly soon. Got mustards
under them doing nicely. Also have late peppers (two varieties of sweet
bell peppers, two of jalapeño, one pepperoncini, two of Tabasco. Most
of them will be diced and frozen immediately, although some of the japs
are frozen whole. Don't know what to do with the pepperoncini but I'm
thinking of using some in a BWB pepper vinegar (called "pepper sauce" in
parts of the South) in the same manner as the jalapeño and Tabasco.
BIL's recipe is fine with me.

Okra, in our climate, grows like the weed it is. Wife dearly loves the
stuff, I eat it french fried in deep oil, or in a gumbo or a soup. I've
seen the woman eat it raw. Yuck!

Man, I eat the slimy stuff any way one prepares it; even raw ;-)

....
Sensible folks who've been in this part of the country for any length of
time don't waste their efforts on peaches, apples, etc. but the handy
homeowner stores continue to sell them to somebody, I dont know whom.
The same folks who buy strawberry plants or seed potatoes in the spring,
I guess.

I have the same problem with my wife being suckered by the big plant
stores. Oh yeah, this will grow anywhere.

I think it's just a case of folks in four-season latitudes not
taking into account that in some parts of the country the garden season
starts in autumn and begins tailing off as summertime gets here in April
or May. Certainly, June is far too late to plant anything besides peas
or okra. Most peppers can handle the sun (with some shading) but
they're best started in Ferbruary or March.. Down here, one sees folks
buying strawberry sets, onion sets and even seeds in spring when,
generally speaking, December or January is about the latest many of them
can be put in the garden with any expectation of positive results.

Generally she babies it for a
year and then it gets ripped out. Keep telling her that we have three
fruit trees that will grow here, a fig, a kumquat, and a pear bred by a
local state guy that found it as a cross tree in his orchard. If it
doesn't get frozen in January occasionally we get a good crop from it.
She also plants avocado seeds to see if she can get a tree, nope, a
freeze comes by and they turn into dead bushes.

Hey: If the lady weren't an optimist, you might be living alone and
without that gaggle of kids and grandkids ;-)

I've often thought how quiet it would be if that happened. I've been
with her to long to toss her our or vice versa. She's Catholic, I'm
nothing, she's an artist, my next wife won't be, if any, she's leaves
stuff lying around, I'm a neat freak, but the dog loves both of us.
BSEG Her family women live to be 100, men in my family croak at any
time. I won't ride in a car she drives, last time she took me to a
hospital I wanted out so I could walk there. Still, there's something in
there that won't let us let go, we've been together since we were both
eighteen years old, we fight occasionally and then it's make up time. BG

When we lived in
Louisiana I had a cross tree between a lemon and an orange, made huge
lemons and lived through the frosts.

At his boyhood home in Tampa, FL, my friend of long-standing (and
who now is my nearest neighbor) enjoyed the fruits of a backyard tree
which bore seven citrus varieties. His mother began a series of
axillary bud grafts the same year she&hubbie had the house built. Have
no clue how or where she got the scions or over what period of time she
executed the grafts but by the time we came along, she had produced one
fine tree, I must say.

I've been thinking of trying that on my kumquat, have seen trees done
that way that produce all year.

Kumquats in Louisiana, kumquats in
Texas, produce like crazy and I like them. I can buy apples, etc. at the
local supermarket cheaper than I can keep trying to grow my own.

Here we are on 10/7 and it's 80F outside, only in Texas.

Not so fast, sailor. Same here, too. Not yet 9:30AM, as I type,
and 79° on my front porch. Overnight low of 76° and the humidity's
back. Had a few days of relief after Irma, when less humidity made
things at least seem cooler.

There is one thing I despise, being cold and wet, to much of that
sailing on a USN destroyer way, long ago. That is just misery to me,
now, I stay indoors and watch the cold, wet, rain, heat, whatever. I do
love air conditioning, have memories of growing up in a hot house in
summer and cold in winter. The house my Dad, me, two uncles built from
two old Navy housing units in 1949. I was nine years old and could swing
a hammer. I got out of the Navy in 1960, came home, house had air
conditioning and household heat. Dad told me the first year I was gone
they saved enough money from not having to feed me so they put in all
that stuff. I still laugh at my old Dad even though he has been gone for
many years. We shoved our kids out as fast as we could also. They are
both doing well for themselves so I'm happy.

George Shirley[_3_] 13-10-2017 07:28 PM

october already!
 
On 10/13/2017 1:05 PM, wrote:
songbird wrote:

i'm not sure where September went. too quickly
by for sure...

Yep, and October keeps on slip slip slipping into the future, too.
Something et the Slenderette bean bush babies last night. Not a
cutworm; cutworm would have left the tops behind. I'm thinking
grasshopper or, maybe the furry soft-bodied thing that 's eating a
Delinel seedling top over in another bed ;-) Assuming it had walked a
good distance to get there, I left it undisturbed. Got a photo, though.
If I can identify the beast, I'll be more able to determine whether just
to plan on re-planting the Delinels, too, and letting the beast have
its way with these. I mean, everything has to eat. Only problem is
that, if this is _not_ a typically warm autumn, I'm running out of time
for the beans. Been a while since I had to make a fire before late
November but I remember some cold-ass halloweens, too. The weather
already has begun to cool: Right now {13 Oct.12:31 P (13:31)}, it's
86°(F) on my always shaded front porch; overnight low (same location,
same t'meter) was 75°(F).

Here in Harris Cty, TX it is alarming if we get a freeze before November
and, sometimes, December, and, the occasional, "where the heck did
winter go?" We're getting a few mornings with 63F and by noon it's over
90F. I don't miss cold weather but it does kill a few bugs when it comes
in. We're getting more mosquitoes than usual for this time of year and
we still have mosquito hawks thank goodness.

I lived for a short while in Virginia, Maryland, and Rhode Island as a
young sailor so I don't really care for: A: snow, B: ice storms, C: cold
north winds, going into the far Arctic seas aboard an old WWII destroyer
with only the boilers for heat. It would help kill skeeters, etc. if we
got at least a short frost. G

Frank 13-10-2017 08:14 PM

october already!
 
On 10/13/2017 2:28 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/13/2017 1:05 PM, wrote:
songbird wrote:

Â* i'm not sure where September went.Â* too quickly
by for sure...

Â*Â*Â*Â*Yep, and October keeps on slip slip slipping into the future, too.
Something et the Slenderette bean bush babies last night.Â* Not a
cutworm; cutworm would have left the tops behind.Â* I'm thinking
grasshopper or, maybe the furry soft-bodied thing that 's eating a
Delinel seedling top over in another bed ;-)Â* Assuming it had walked a
good distance to get there, I left it undisturbed.Â* Got a photo, though.
If I can identify the beast, I'll be more able to determine whether just
to plan on re-planting the Delinels,Â* too, and letting the beast have
its way with these.Â* I mean, everything has to eat.Â* Only problem is
that, if this is _not_ a typically warm autumn, I'm running out of time
for the beans.Â* Been a while since I had to make a fire before late
November but I remember some cold-ass halloweens, too.Â* The weather
already has begun to cool: Right now {13 Oct.12:31 P (13:31)}, it's
86°(F) on my always shaded front porch; overnight low (same location,
same t'meter) was 75°(F).

Here in Harris Cty, TX it is alarming if we get a freeze before November
and, sometimes, December, and, the occasional, "where the heck did
winter go?" We're getting a few mornings with 63F and by noon it's over
90F. I don't miss cold weather but it does kill a few bugs when it comes
in. We're getting more mosquitoes than usual for this time of year and
we still have mosquito hawks thank goodness.

I lived for a short while in Virginia, Maryland, and Rhode Island as a
young sailor so I don't really care for: A: snow, B: ice storms, C: cold
north winds, going into the far Arctic seas aboard an old WWII destroyer
with only the boilers for heat. It would help kill skeeters, etc. if we
got at least a short frost. G


At our age, I don't think we can tolerate as much cold and heat as we
did when younger. Warm climate is better but you need AC. We seldom
get 90 degree days but at start of summer when my AC would not come on I
got a backup portable AC and with power losses I have a backup generator.

I don't like snow much either but at least don't have to shovel it every
week. I remember my first trip to southern California watching my
brother in law cut grass in January.

Speaking of mosquitoes, I hear they are the state bird in Alaska. Who
would have thought that?

I had a coworker from Maine who got transferred to one of our plants on
the Gulf and hated it. Said he just ran from AC in house to AC in car
to AC at work. Twice a year they left the house to the exterminator to
get all the bugs.


George Shirley[_3_] 13-10-2017 09:28 PM

october already!
 
On 10/13/2017 2:14 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/13/2017 2:28 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/13/2017 1:05 PM, wrote:
songbird wrote:

Â* i'm not sure where September went.Â* too quickly
by for sure...
Â*Â*Â*Â*Yep, and October keeps on slip slip slipping into the future, too.
Something et the Slenderette bean bush babies last night.Â* Not a
cutworm; cutworm would have left the tops behind.Â* I'm thinking
grasshopper or, maybe the furry soft-bodied thing that 's eating a
Delinel seedling top over in another bed ;-)Â* Assuming it had walked a
good distance to get there, I left it undisturbed.Â* Got a photo, though.
If I can identify the beast, I'll be more able to determine whether just
to plan on re-planting the Delinels,Â* too, and letting the beast have
its way with these.Â* I mean, everything has to eat.Â* Only problem is
that, if this is _not_ a typically warm autumn, I'm running out of time
for the beans.Â* Been a while since I had to make a fire before late
November but I remember some cold-ass halloweens, too.Â* The weather
already has begun to cool: Right now {13 Oct.12:31 P (13:31)}, it's
86°(F) on my always shaded front porch; overnight low (same location,
same t'meter) was 75°(F).

Here in Harris Cty, TX it is alarming if we get a freeze before
November and, sometimes, December, and, the occasional, "where the
heck did winter go?" We're getting a few mornings with 63F and by noon
it's over 90F. I don't miss cold weather but it does kill a few bugs
when it comes in. We're getting more mosquitoes than usual for this
time of year and we still have mosquito hawks thank goodness.

I lived for a short while in Virginia, Maryland, and Rhode Island as a
young sailor so I don't really care for: A: snow, B: ice storms, C:
cold north winds, going into the far Arctic seas aboard an old WWII
destroyer with only the boilers for heat. It would help kill skeeters,
etc. if we got at least a short frost. G


At our age, I don't think we can tolerate as much cold and heat as we
did when younger.Â* Warm climate is better but you need AC.Â* We seldom
get 90 degree days but at start of summer when my AC would not come on I
got a backup portable AC and with power losses I have a backup generator.

When we were hit in Houston with hurricanes, heavy flooding, etc. I was
happy, live just a few miles from The Woodlands and, as usual, I bought
on high ground, have done that since we were married in 1960. Here in
this subdivision we never lost electricity, a little high winds and 60
inches of rain, we never flooded either, and, as soon as the rain
stopped for a bit, the retention pond behind our home emptied out
quickly. So far, so good, we shall see when the next storms come by.

I don't like snow much either but at least don't have to shovel it every
week.Â* I remember my first trip to southern California watching my
brother in law cut grass in January.

I was eighteen years old when I first saw snow, almost got in trouble
because an Admiral was walking by and saw me playing in the snow instead
of checking into my squadron. At least he was a nice guy. My wife just
finished mowing the small lawn we have. The mower runs faster than I can
walk nowadays so I cook, clean house and wash clothes. Sort of a turn
about but we both like it. We will only stop mowing every two weeks if
we get a cold snap, otherwise, cut the grass, toss in the composter, do
it again in a couple of weeks. Our spring and fall gardens are the same,
still producing.

Speaking of mosquitoes, I hear they are the state bird in Alaska.Â* Who
would have thought that?

I spent a few days in Alaska once, guy told me the skeeters carried his
wife off, thank goodness. G

I had a coworker from Maine who got transferred to one of our plants on
the Gulf and hated it.Â* Said he just ran from AC in house to AC in car
to AC at work.Â* Twice a year they left the house to the exterminator to
get all the bugs.

I know very few people who don't have AC in house and car and also have
fans in the house. If it gets higher than 100F in the house you bring in
more fans and crank up the AC. I just moved ours to 76F, was at 80F, and
I was baking bacon for my wife. Then when she needs bacon she just heats
it up. She loves the bacon on anything. Six lbs of top bacon is now
precooked and in the freezer. Saves time when you want it and takes time
for it to get that way. Cooking bacon makes the dog dance too but she
gets very little of it. That all being said, I grew up in the forties
and fifties in homes without AC. Came home from boot camp and my folks
had AC. Asked why, Dad said after you left we had enough money for the
AC, as if I ate that much. G He was sort of shocked anyway, I left
home at 5'6", weighed 160, came home at 5'8" and weighed 145. Only got
fat again when I married in 1960, now I'm hanging around 206 and am at
5'6" again. Doc says it's because of the couple of vertebrae, one
missing, the other squashed. I think it's old age myself.

I think we're going to have a late fall this year what with all the
strange weather, two hurricanes, etc. I'm sure glad I don't live in
Houston, it's not called the "Bayou City" for nothing, I don't
understand people who want to build homes on water and then gripe when
it gets washed away, particularly this close to the Gulf of Mexico.



Frank 13-10-2017 11:52 PM

october already!
 
On 10/13/2017 4:28 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/13/2017 2:14 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/13/2017 2:28 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/13/2017 1:05 PM, wrote:
songbird wrote:

Â* i'm not sure where September went.Â* too quickly
by for sure...
Â*Â*Â*Â*Yep, and October keeps on slip slip slipping into the future, too.
Something et the Slenderette bean bush babies last night.Â* Not a
cutworm; cutworm would have left the tops behind.Â* I'm thinking
grasshopper or, maybe the furry soft-bodied thing that 's eating a
Delinel seedling top over in another bed ;-)Â* Assuming it had walked a
good distance to get there, I left it undisturbed.Â* Got a photo,
though.
If I can identify the beast, I'll be more able to determine whether
just
to plan on re-planting the Delinels,Â* too, and letting the beast have
its way with these.Â* I mean, everything has to eat.Â* Only problem is
that, if this is _not_ a typically warm autumn, I'm running out of time
for the beans.Â* Been a while since I had to make a fire before late
November but I remember some cold-ass halloweens, too.Â* The weather
already has begun to cool: Right now {13 Oct.12:31 P (13:31)}, it's
86°(F) on my always shaded front porch; overnight low (same location,
same t'meter) was 75°(F).

Here in Harris Cty, TX it is alarming if we get a freeze before
November and, sometimes, December, and, the occasional, "where the
heck did winter go?" We're getting a few mornings with 63F and by
noon it's over 90F. I don't miss cold weather but it does kill a few
bugs when it comes in. We're getting more mosquitoes than usual for
this time of year and we still have mosquito hawks thank goodness.

I lived for a short while in Virginia, Maryland, and Rhode Island as
a young sailor so I don't really care for: A: snow, B: ice storms, C:
cold north winds, going into the far Arctic seas aboard an old WWII
destroyer with only the boilers for heat. It would help kill
skeeters, etc. if we got at least a short frost. G


At our age, I don't think we can tolerate as much cold and heat as we
did when younger.Â* Warm climate is better but you need AC.Â* We seldom
get 90 degree days but at start of summer when my AC would not come on
I got a backup portable AC and with power losses I have a backup
generator.

When we were hit in Houston with hurricanes, heavy flooding, etc. I was
happy, live just a few miles from The Woodlands and, as usual, I bought
on high ground, have done that since we were married in 1960. Here in
this subdivision we never lost electricity, a little high winds and 60
inches of rain, we never flooded either, and, as soon as the rain
stopped for a bit, the retention pond behind our home emptied out
quickly. So far, so good, we shall see when the next storms come by.

I don't like snow much either but at least don't have to shovel it
every week.Â* I remember my first trip to southern California watching
my brother in law cut grass in January.

I was eighteen years old when I first saw snow, almost got in trouble
because an Admiral was walking by and saw me playing in the snow instead
of checking into my squadron. At least he was a nice guy. My wife just
finished mowing the small lawn we have. The mower runs faster than I can
walk nowadays so I cook, clean house and wash clothes. Sort of a turn
about but we both like it. We will only stop mowing every two weeks if
we get a cold snap, otherwise, cut the grass, toss in the composter, do
it again in a couple of weeks. Our spring and fall gardens are the same,
still producing.

Speaking of mosquitoes, I hear they are the state bird in Alaska.Â* Who
would have thought that?

I spent a few days in Alaska once, guy told me the skeeters carried his
wife off, thank goodness. G

I had a coworker from Maine who got transferred to one of our plants
on the Gulf and hated it.Â* Said he just ran from AC in house to AC in
car to AC at work.Â* Twice a year they left the house to the
exterminator to get all the bugs.

I know very few people who don't have AC in house and car and also have
fans in the house. If it gets higher than 100F in the house you bring in
more fans and crank up the AC. I just moved ours to 76F, was at 80F, and
I was baking bacon for my wife. Then when she needs bacon she just heats
it up. She loves the bacon on anything. Six lbs of top bacon is now
precooked and in the freezer. Saves time when you want it and takes time
for it to get that way. Cooking bacon makes the dog dance too but she
gets very little of it. That all being said, I grew up in the forties
and fifties in homes without AC. Came home from boot camp and my folks
had AC. Asked why, Dad said after you left we had enough money for the
AC, as if I ate that much. G He was sort of shocked anyway, I left
home at 5'6", weighed 160, came home at 5'8" and weighed 145. Only got
fat again when I married in 1960, now I'm hanging around 206 and am at
5'6" again. Doc says it's because of the couple of vertebrae, one
missing, the other squashed. I think it's old age myself.

I think we're going to have a late fall this year what with all the
strange weather, two hurricanes, etc. I'm sure glad I don't live in
Houston, it's not called the "Bayou City" for nothing, I don't
understand people who want to build homes on water and then gripe when
it gets washed away, particularly this close to the Gulf of Mexico.


I can't keep the weight off either and have also shrunk an inch. I
thought a doctor, pulmonologist, cheated me weighing me with my shoes on
but measuring me with my shoes off. Have a new family doctor I have yet
to meet but this month have an appointment with an AMD specialist,
dentist and cardiologist. At our age, going to the doctor and having
tests run are our social life.

My brother lives in lower Delaware three miles from the ocean but wants
to move inland because of the hustle and bustle in summer. Think he is
safe from being washed away.

The joke going around in Puerto Rico is that they believe after the
visits of hurricanes, Jose and Maria, they are due for a visit by the
baby Jesus. (Most should know this but Jose and Maria are Spanish for
Joseph and Mary). My Puerto Rican neighbor told me this. He likes
living off the island out of the hurricane path and prefers cold
weather. Unfortunately they are moving to Flagstaff and he might not
like the 5+ feet of snow they get in the winter.


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