borer resistant squish
 

just reading along in another forum and
came across this and thought i would post it
here for T.

Tromboncino (a.k.a Zucchetta Rampicante)

a very long squash, can be harvested young
and used like zukes, but also runs a long vine
which will root at the junctions so it is
resistant to squash borer damage.

if left to grow long it also is a winter
squash. once it hits seed stage the vine
will stop producing so have to keep it picked.


songbird

borer resistant squish
 

songbird wrote:

also named in that thread were rumbo squash
which i've never heard of and haven't grown.

the butternut or buttercup squash we grow
here are somewhat resistant in that they may
get borer damage but they will keep going.
a few of the plants may die, but not all.

now that we've got cross-breeds and seeds
harvested from several years they seem to
be resistant enough.


songbird

borer resistant squish
 

On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 8:07:28 AM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
songbird wrote:

also named in that thread were rumbo squash
which i've never heard of and haven't grown.

the butternut or buttercup squash we grow
here are somewhat resistant in that they may
get borer damage but they will keep going.
a few of the plants may die, but not all.

now that we've got cross-breeds and seeds
harvested from several years they seem to
be resistant enough.


songbird

We've been growing butterscotch squash for a couple of years; like butternut, but a richer taste and not fibrous.

Paul

borer resistant squish
 

Pavel314 wrote:
....
We've been growing butterscotch squash for a couple of years; like butternut, but a richer taste and not fibrous.

ours are some kind of cross breed, looks like
between buttercup and common pumpkin, but not
sure. Mom likes 'em so we'll keep growing them.

i miswrote butternut in last past. we grew
those years ago but we like buttercup much more.


songbird

borer resistant squish
 

On 12/18/2017 7:07 AM, songbird wrote:
songbird wrote:

also named in that thread were rumbo squash
which i've never heard of and haven't grown.

the butternut or buttercup squash we grow
here are somewhat resistant in that they may
get borer damage but they will keep going.
a few of the plants may die, but not all.

now that we've got cross-breeds and seeds
harvested from several years they seem to
be resistant enough.


songbird


I love squash, but can't seem to ever get much fruit because the borers
always kill the plants right about the time the fruit just gets started
producing. I only have a few small raised beds, so can't really plant a
lot in hopes I'll still get some the borers missed.

Any ideas how to beat the borers?

--
Maggie

borer resistant squish
 

Muggles wrote:
....
I love squash, but can't seem to ever get much fruit because the borers
always kill the plants right about the time the fruit just gets started
producing. I only have a few small raised beds, so can't really plant a
lot in hopes I'll still get some the borers missed.

Any ideas how to beat the borers?

with limited space, start your plants early enough
that they can get a good stem on them before planting
them out.

depending upon where you are at there are ways of
planting earlier or later to avoid some of the damage
but i think it helps more to just plant vines that
can survive the damage.

from other posts in this thread give buttercup or
rumbo a try. if you want ones that are like zuchini
try the other one mentioned: Tromboncino
(a.k.a Zucchetta Rampicante), pick early, they can
get long... :)

as far as picking off bugs, sprays and such, i've
never actually done that. the vines here get chewed
pretty well, a few don't survive, most do. i'm not
sure if it would help to put a paper bag over them
with a few holes for just the stem and leaves to
poke through while they are growing. perhaps by the
time the bags break down the stem will be bigger
and stronger. not having tried this i can't say
much else than sometime i may try it if i can remember.
more likely i'll forget about this by next spring/
summer...

i think i'll continue with the general trend i'm
on which is to keep growing them and not babying them
too much so that the weaklings get taken out and
the stronger survive.

i may look into other resistant types some time
if it seems to be worth a try. right now we are
finishing off the last few dozen of the squash
we picked last fall and they're very yum.


songbird

borer resistant squish
 

On 12/22/2017 3:59 PM, songbird wrote:
Muggles wrote:
...
I love squash, but can't seem to ever get much fruit because the borers
always kill the plants right about the time the fruit just gets started
producing. I only have a few small raised beds, so can't really plant a
lot in hopes I'll still get some the borers missed.

Any ideas how to beat the borers?

with limited space, start your plants early enough
that they can get a good stem on them before planting
them out.

depending upon where you are at there are ways of
planting earlier or later to avoid some of the damage
but i think it helps more to just plant vines that
can survive the damage.

from other posts in this thread give buttercup or
rumbo a try. if you want ones that are like zuchini
try the other one mentioned: Tromboncino
(a.k.a Zucchetta Rampicante), pick early, they can
get long... :)

as far as picking off bugs, sprays and such, i've
never actually done that. the vines here get chewed
pretty well, a few don't survive, most do. i'm not
sure if it would help to put a paper bag over them
with a few holes for just the stem and leaves to
poke through while they are growing. perhaps by the
time the bags break down the stem will be bigger
and stronger. not having tried this i can't say
much else than sometime i may try it if i can remember.
more likely i'll forget about this by next spring/
summer...

i think i'll continue with the general trend i'm
on which is to keep growing them and not babying them
too much so that the weaklings get taken out and
the stronger survive.

i may look into other resistant types some time
if it seems to be worth a try. right now we are
finishing off the last few dozen of the squash
we picked last fall and they're very yum.


songbird



I haven't heard of putting a paper bag over the stems before. It might
be worth a try, tho. thanks for the idea!

--
Maggie

Nice thread! Thanks for the advice from me too. I love squash but never had much luck with it. Hope to stand a better chance next time :)

borer resistant squish
 

On 12/18/2017 04:51 AM, songbird wrote:
just reading along in another forum and
came across this and thought i would post it
here for T.

Tromboncino (a.k.a Zucchetta Rampicante)

a very long squash, can be harvested young
and used like zukes, but also runs a long vine
which will root at the junctions so it is
resistant to squash borer damage.

if left to grow long it also is a winter
squash. once it hits seed stage the vine
will stop producing so have to keep it picked.


songbird


Not finding it on http://nutritiondata.self.com/

Does it have other names?

borer resistant squish
 

On 12/18/2017 05:07 AM, songbird wrote:
butternut or buttercup

Not friendly to Diabetics. :'(

borer resistant squish
 

On 12/18/2017 04:51 AM, songbird wrote:
Tromboncino (a.k.a Zucchetta Rampicante)


Hi Songbird,

http://www.accessatlanta.com/enterta...wwT6h1WKthdrO/

Per serving:
307 calories (percent of calories from fat, 53),
15 grams protein,
22 grams carbohydrates,
3 grams fiber,
18 grams fat (11 grams saturated),
104 milligrams cholesterol,
576 milligrams sodium

This is definitely NOT diabetic friendly. Rats!!!

Thank you for thinking of me anyway. It is very
much appreciated. :-)

Death to squash bugs!
Death to earwigs!
Death to Weeds!

Over three years drug free now. Thriving, not just surviving!

-T

borer resistant squish
 

T wrote:
On 12/18/2017 04:51 AM, songbird wrote:
Tromboncino (a.k.a Zucchetta Rampicante)


Hi Songbird,

http://www.accessatlanta.com/enterta...wwT6h1WKthdrO/

Per serving:
307 calories (percent of calories from fat, 53),
15 grams protein,
22 grams carbohydrates,
3 grams fiber,
18 grams fat (11 grams saturated),
104 milligrams cholesterol,
576 milligrams sodium

This is definitely NOT diabetic friendly. Rats!!!

you are quoting a recipe with milk, cheese, butter, flour,
milk and onion added. not just the plain squash...

those numbers looked so "off" to me that i had to go
check it out. and yes, i was right, those are not
plain veggie numbers.


Thank you for thinking of me anyway. It is very
much appreciated. :-)

...


songbird

borer resistant squish
 

T wrote:
songbird wrote:
butternut or buttercup

Not friendly to Diabetics. :'(

not likely given how "rich" they seem to me
when eating them, but the other Trombonico may
work.


songbird

borer resistant squish
 

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 00:21:10 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/18/2017 05:07 AM, songbird wrote:
butternut or buttercup

Not friendly to Diabetics. :'(


There is no problem with eating either in moderation. You should
consult with a diabetic dietician before trying to scare folks off
particular foods.

Diabetics, depending on type of disease and status of control, can
react uniquely to individual items. Personal testing is necessary to
determine how any particular food affects BG levels. This can get more
complicated when one eats a variety of foods together, as some combos
can help eliminate spikes.

borer resistant squish
 

On 01/07/2018 06:09 AM, songbird wrote:
T wrote:
On 12/18/2017 04:51 AM, songbird wrote:
Tromboncino (a.k.a Zucchetta Rampicante)


Hi Songbird,

http://www.accessatlanta.com/enterta...wwT6h1WKthdrO/

Per serving:
307 calories (percent of calories from fat, 53),
15 grams protein,
22 grams carbohydrates,
3 grams fiber,
18 grams fat (11 grams saturated),
104 milligrams cholesterol,
576 milligrams sodium

This is definitely NOT diabetic friendly. Rats!!!

you are quoting a recipe with milk, cheese, butter, flour,
milk and onion added. not just the plain squash...

those numbers looked so "off" to me that i had to go
check it out. and yes, i was right, those are not
plain veggie numbers.


My bad. I will keep looking to see if I can find
nutrition data on them by themselves.


Thank you for thinking of me anyway. It is very
much appreciated. :-)

...


songbird

borer resistant squish
 

T wrote:
....
My bad. I will keep looking to see if I can find
nutrition data on them by themselves.

i looked for a bit today and could not find
anything clearly marked for that particular
squash, but i would not be too surprised if
it is similar in nutrition as zukes or any of
the other summer squash.


songbird

borer resistant squish
 

On 01/07/2018 10:10 PM, songbird wrote:
i would not be too surprised if
it is similar in nutrition as zukes or any of
the other summer squash.

You are correct. All summer squash are basically the
same. Winter squash, on the other hand, are toxic to
diabetics.

borer resistant squish
 

On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 17:15:24 -0800, T wrote:

On 01/07/2018 10:10 PM, songbird wrote:
i would not be too surprised if
it is similar in nutrition as zukes or any of
the other summer squash.

You are correct. All summer squash are basically the
same. Winter squash, on the other hand, are toxic to
diabetics.


Please stop your nonsense.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutriti...winter-squash/

borer resistant squish
 

On 01/08/2018 06:05 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 17:15:24 -0800, T wrote:

On 01/07/2018 10:10 PM, songbird wrote:
i would not be too surprised if
it is similar in nutrition as zukes or any of
the other summer squash.

You are correct. All summer squash are basically the
same. Winter squash, on the other hand, are toxic to
diabetics.


Please stop your nonsense.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutriti...winter-squash/

Hi Boron,

I read what the guy said about winter squash in your link.
I am sorry, but what an idiot.

I am not risking my feet falling off.

Here are some numbers for Acorn squash:

Squash, winter, acorn, cooked, baked, without salt:

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...roducts/2645/2


Here is his example of Butternut Squash that he touted
for diabetics:

Squash, winter, butternut, cooked, baked, without salt

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...roducts/2648/2

1 cups cubes (205g)
Glycemic load 8
Total Carbohydrate 21.5g


For a T2 Diabetic, here are the rules:

Glycemic load: 10 total per day
carbs: 15 max per meal (7 for hard cases, no borrowing)
60 total per day (30 for hard cases)

To heal from Carbohydrate Poisoning (T2 Diabetes), you have
to return to some semblance of what our ancestors ate.
That would be Primal or Paleo of somewhere in between.

For a Drug Free Diabetic or any diabetic for that matter,
you'd be an absolute fool to eat winter squash. Humans
are not designed to eat anything that has been artificially
hybridized to contain unnatural level of carbohydrates
NOT FOUND in nature.

After you get over the carbohydrate addiction,
your taste returns and the food is so good you have to
be careful not to eat too much. (I was up to 4000 calories
a day!)

Or you can stay addicted and go the carb and drug route.
The medical establishment and Big Parma makes a ton
of money off of T2 committing suicide on the installment
programs.

The conflict of interest is something to behold.
You saw a good example of it in the link you sent me,
especially the part about a low glycemic load.
The writer of that article should be ashamed of themselves.

I am three years drug free. I am thriving, not just
surviving.

-T

borer resistant squish
 

On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 21:55:50 -0800, T wrote:

On 01/08/2018 06:05 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 17:15:24 -0800, T wrote:

On 01/07/2018 10:10 PM, songbird wrote:
i would not be too surprised if
it is similar in nutrition as zukes or any of
the other summer squash.

You are correct. All summer squash are basically the
same. Winter squash, on the other hand, are toxic to
diabetics.


Please stop your nonsense.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutriti...winter-squash/

Hi Boron,



For a T2 Diabetic, here are the rules:

Glycemic load: 10 total per day
carbs: 15 max per meal (7 for hard cases, no borrowing)
60 total per day (30 for hard cases)

To heal from Carbohydrate Poisoning (T2 Diabetes), you have
to return to some semblance of what our ancestors ate.
That would be Primal or Paleo of somewhere in between.

Bullshit. Sorry,but this idiocy and misinformation you post earn you a
rare spot in the KF.

Talk about fake news.

borer resistant squish
 

On 01/09/2018 08:48 AM, Boron wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 21:55:50 -0800, T wrote:

On 01/08/2018 06:05 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 17:15:24 -0800, T wrote:

On 01/07/2018 10:10 PM, songbird wrote:
i would not be too surprised if
it is similar in nutrition as zukes or any of
the other summer squash.

You are correct. All summer squash are basically the
same. Winter squash, on the other hand, are toxic to
diabetics.


Please stop your nonsense.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutriti...winter-squash/

Hi Boron,



For a T2 Diabetic, here are the rules:

Glycemic load: 10 total per day
carbs: 15 max per meal (7 for hard cases, no borrowing)
60 total per day (30 for hard cases)

To heal from Carbohydrate Poisoning (T2 Diabetes), you have
to return to some semblance of what our ancestors ate.
That would be Primal or Paleo of somewhere in between.

Bullshit. Sorry,but this idiocy and misinformation you post earn you a
rare spot in the KF.

Talk about fake news.



And now we know why one out of eleven of us have
T2 Diabetes, when it use to be relatively unheard of.
We are being poisoned by an unnatural diet.

I stand behind everything I said.

borer resistant squish
 

On 12/18/2017 04:51 AM, songbird wrote:
just reading along in another forum and
came across this and thought i would post it
here for T.

Tromboncino (a.k.a Zucchetta Rampicante)

a very long squash, can be harvested young
and used like zukes, but also runs a long vine
which will root at the junctions so it is
resistant to squash borer damage.

if left to grow long it also is a winter
squash. once it hits seed stage the vine
will stop producing so have to keep it picked.


songbird

Hi Songbird,

Yup it is a summer squash and definitely on a T2's menu!
70 days to fruit.

https://www.rareseeds.com/zucchino-rampicante-squash/

The reviews mentioned "borers" left it alone as
you mentioned. Now for one squash bugs leave alone!

I have been growing ronde de nice, which are 50 days to fruit.

https://www.rareseeds.com/ronde-de-nice-squa/

I am not sure with the very short growing season, that I
would be successful at 70 days. My 70 day + peppers
only give me one picking before the freeze.

Thank you!

-T

borer resistant squish
 

T wrote:
....
https://www.rareseeds.com/zucchino-rampicante-squash/

The reviews mentioned "borers" left it alone as
you mentioned. Now for one squash bugs leave alone!

I have been growing ronde de nice, which are 50 days to fruit.

https://www.rareseeds.com/ronde-de-nice-squa/

I am not sure with the very short growing season, that I
would be successful at 70 days. My 70 day + peppers
only give me one picking before the freeze.

we always plant our peppers from starts which the
greenhouse takes care of. our season is probably
about as long as yours here and we have plenty of
peppers (several rounds). just depends upon the
late storms or early frosts as to how many we get.
last year i was picking peppers pretty late in the
season (into October) as we didn't have any hard
enough frosts to knock out the plants completely.

for me red peppers have replaced tomatoes and i
stock the freezer pretty well with roasted red
peppers that i can use in other things eventually.


songbird

borer resistant squish
 

On 02/28/2018 04:43 AM, songbird wrote:
T wrote:
...
https://www.rareseeds.com/zucchino-rampicante-squash/

The reviews mentioned "borers" left it alone as
you mentioned. Now for one squash bugs leave alone!

I have been growing ronde de nice, which are 50 days to fruit.

https://www.rareseeds.com/ronde-de-nice-squa/

I am not sure with the very short growing season, that I
would be successful at 70 days. My 70 day + peppers
only give me one picking before the freeze.

we always plant our peppers from starts which the
greenhouse takes care of. our season is probably
about as long as yours here and we have plenty of
peppers (several rounds). just depends upon the
late storms or early frosts as to how many we get.
last year i was picking peppers pretty late in the
season (into October) as we didn't have any hard
enough frosts to knock out the plants completely.

for me red peppers have replaced tomatoes and i
stock the freezer pretty well with roasted red
peppers that i can use in other things eventually.


songbird


The only greenhouse pepper are ancho. And I get a
few off them. My favorites -- the new mexico red
variants -- I am lucky if I get one picking. I
have to grow them from seed.

What kind of red pepper do you grow?

borer resistant squish
 

T wrote:
On 02/28/2018 04:43 AM, songbird wrote:
....
we always plant our peppers from starts which the
greenhouse takes care of. our season is probably
about as long as yours here and we have plenty of
peppers (several rounds). just depends upon the
late storms or early frosts as to how many we get.
last year i was picking peppers pretty late in the
season (into October) as we didn't have any hard
enough frosts to knock out the plants completely.

for me red peppers have replaced tomatoes and i
stock the freezer pretty well with roasted red
peppers that i can use in other things eventually.

The only greenhouse pepper are ancho. And I get a
few off them. My favorites -- the new mexico red
variants -- I am lucky if I get one picking. I
have to grow them from seed.

What kind of red pepper do you grow?

i've grown a few different kinds, one must be
generic enough as it is just labelled red pepper at
the greenhouse and it is shaped and sized about
the same as any green pepper i've had (usually
California Wonder is what we grow for green peppers
but these are not them because CW turns purple/brown
when it gets ripe here). the other type is called
Red Knight and it is an F1 hybrid and is supposed
to be red in 77 days, they get pretty big (sometimes
the size of both my fists put together). i can eat
several at a time.

that sounds about right for what i've got here
from them - seems mid-August until whenever the
hard frosts take them out.

none of what we grow is spicy/hot.


songbird

borer resistant squish
 

On 03/01/2018 03:08 PM, songbird wrote:
none of what we grow is spicy/hot.

That sucks!

Thank you for the education!

borer resistant squish
 

T wrote:
On 03/01/2018 03:08 PM, songbird wrote:
none of what we grow is spicy/hot.

That sucks!

it's ok, i keep a bottle of sriracha sauce
handy and once in a while i make a pretty
hot green curry or red curry for me to eat
but i do that when Mom's away because she
won't eat it.

i'd rather grow things we both can eat as
that makes the best use of the space. here
or there i grow a few things that she won't
touch (turnips, radish sprouts, chard, ...).


Thank you for the education!

y.w.


songbird

borer resistant squish
 

On 03/02/2018 08:16 PM, songbird wrote:
T wrote:
On 03/01/2018 03:08 PM, songbird wrote:
none of what we grow is spicy/hot.

That sucks!

it's ok, i keep a bottle of sriracha sauce
handy and once in a while i make a pretty
hot green curry or red curry for me to eat
but i do that when Mom's away because she
won't eat it.

i'd rather grow things we both can eat as
that makes the best use of the space. here
or there i grow a few things that she won't
touch (turnips, radish sprouts, chard, ...).


Thank you for the education!

y.w.


songbird


tip: when things get too hot, add oil and/or grease.
Cheese works too as it is oily. Butter: yum!