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chelated iron - haven't got any
I recently posted a query here about chelated iron for a lemon tree. Thanks
for the reply, but I can't find anything suitable to use here. I have asked at several garden centres and looked through catalogues without joy. I should mention that I live in Japan. Is there any common product I can use as a substitute for chelated iron or any easy way to cook the stuff up? What I want to do is solve my tree's problem with the lack of iron, so any suggestions are welcome. |
chelated iron - haven't got any
"Gyve Turquoise" wrote in message ...
I recently posted a query here about chelated iron for a lemon tree. Thanks for the reply, but I can't find anything suitable to use here. I have asked at several garden centres and looked through catalogues without joy. I should mention that I live in Japan. Is there any common product I can use as a substitute for chelated iron or any easy way to cook the stuff up? What I want to do is solve my tree's problem with the lack of iron, so any suggestions are welcome. Gyve....Would the compound that turns Hydrangea's blue, be of any use. A cheap substitute is iron nails underplanted |
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chelated iron - haven't got any
Gyve Turquoise said:
I recently posted a query here about chelated iron for a lemon tree. Thanks for the reply, but I can't find anything suitable to use here. I have asked at several garden centres and looked through catalogues without joy. I should mention that I live in Japan. Is there any common product I can use as a substitute for chelated iron or any easy way to cook the stuff up? What I want to do is solve my tree's problem with the lack of iron, so any suggestions are welcome. Foliar feeding the tree a solution made with kelp or other seaweed might help. You could also consider grinding up a few tablets of an iron supplement made for human consumption. -- Pat in Plymouth MI Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
chelated iron - haven't got any
"Repeating Decimal" wrote in message ... in article , Gyve Turquoise at wrote on 5/17/03 6:14 PM: I recently posted a query here about chelated iron for a lemon tree. Thanks for the reply, but I can't find anything suitable to use here. I have asked at several garden centres and looked through catalogues without joy. I should mention that I live in Japan. Is there any common product I can use as a substitute for chelated iron or any easy way to cook the stuff up? What I want to do is solve my tree's problem with the lack of iron, so any suggestions are welcome. It may be that the people you are talking to have no idea of what you mean. It's extremely likely since my Japanese is very bad. Many formulations are available with iron chelates. I know that Ortho makes some. Ironite is another trade name for gypsum mixed with iron. Thanks for the advice. Is gypsum mixed with iron the same as iron chelates? Hydroponic supply stores should have some available. My guess is that you have not looked into it very well. You are right that I probably haven't looked into it well enough, but I live in Japan so the names of the products and the suppliers are different from the ones in your country. Unfortunately I don't know any hydroponic supply stores here. I don't even know the Japanese for "hydroponic supply store" either. |
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"Pat Kiewicz" wrote in message ... Foliar feeding the tree a solution made with kelp or other seaweed might help. You could also consider grinding up a few tablets of an iron supplement made for human consumption. Thank you for the ideas. How many tablets do you think I need to use? |
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"Ken Saunders" wrote in message om... "Gyve Turquoise" wrote in message ... Gyve....Would the compound that turns Hydrangea's blue, be of any use. A cheap substitute is iron nails underplanted Does it really work for lemons? There are so many bits of rusty metal to be found in Japan. |
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chelated iron - haven't got any
Gyve Turquoise said:
Is there any common product I can use as a substitute for chelated iron or any easy way to cook the stuff up? What I want to do is solve my tree's problem with the lack of iron, so any suggestions are welcome. Iron sulphate is usually one of the ingredients found in fertilisers that contain micronutrients. -- Gardening Zones Canada Zone 5a United States Zone 3a Near Ottawa, Ontario |
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"Repeating Decimal" wrote in message ... in article , Gyve Turquoise at wrote on 5/22/03 6:18 AM: You are right that I probably haven't looked into it well enough, but I live in Japan so the names of the products and the suppliers are different from the ones in your country. Unfortunately I don't know any hydroponic supply stores here. I don't even know the Japanese for "hydroponic supply store" either. These are your shortcomings. Do not expect to be spoon fed elementary stuff via USENET. I'm very sorry, Bill, for expecting you to spoonfeed me elementary stuff via USENET. In future, could you please spoonfeed me elementary stuff by email? Thank you in advance for your cooperation. |
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Gyve Turquoise wrote: "Repeating Decimal" wrote in message ... in article , Gyve Turquoise at wrote on 5/22/03 6:18 AM: You are right that I probably haven't looked into it well enough, but I live in Japan so the names of the products and the suppliers are different from the ones in your country. Unfortunately I don't know any hydroponic supply stores here. I don't even know the Japanese for "hydroponic supply store" either. These are your shortcomings. Do not expect to be spoon fed elementary stuff via USENET. I'm very sorry, Bill, for expecting you to spoonfeed me elementary stuff via USENET. In future, could you please spoonfeed me elementary stuff by email? Thank you in advance for your cooperation. Just ignore them. I hope most of the people in here don't act the way they do in here in real life. I never saw a bigger bunch of snot-nosed, rude, keyboard rambo, cry babies in all the other groups I visit. If it comes down to it, why even have the group ? You can find everything out on the net. You can ask a valid question that they may not seem is important, so they flame away. I myself am tired of the way the group has an "attitude" so lets get this straight. Treat people like you want to be treated, or at least like you were face to face with them in real life. You were once new also. Nobody runs this group, nobody has more pull or more say then another. If you don't have an answer to the question......move on, don't flame it or say something totally different. Bottom line, don't be a dick Now I will wait for all the people that feel they have to announce when they Ploink somebody. |
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"Brian" wrote in message ... Just ignore them. I hope most of the people in here don't act the way they do in here in real life. I never saw a bigger bunch of snot-nosed, rude, keyboard rambo, cry babies in all the other groups I visit. You obviously have much more skill than me in choosing what to read. There are "characters" in the other newsgroups I read who make this one look rather tame. I've found the posters here very helpful with my queries so far. Thanks to everyone who has taken the trouble to reply. If it comes down to it, why even have the group ? You can find everything out on the net. You can ask a valid question that they may not seem is important, so they flame away. I'm not sure Bill was flaming, I think he was making a joke! I said I didn't know what "hydroponic supply store" was in Japanese, and he said not to ask about elementary stuff. Obviously this question is very difficult for everyone to answer, so I think Bill was being ironic. I think he really meant "don't ask this kind of difficult question to me". I myself am tired of the way the group has an "attitude" Does it? I read some newsgroups which are infested with really nasty bozos. The posters I have seen on "rec.gardens.edible" seem reasonable enough. |
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Gyve Turquoise said:
"Pat Kiewicz" wrote in message ... Foliar feeding the tree a solution made with kelp or other seaweed might help. You could also consider grinding up a few tablets of an iron supplement made for human consumption. Thank you for the ideas. How many tablets do you think I need to use? As a totally wild guess, I'd try crushing a couple and disolving in maybe 1 liter of water. Use some as a foliar spray on some of the tree (to make sure it does no harm) and the rest when watering. Repeat the foliar feed if that goes well. Increase the dosage llittle by little if you see no effect at all. -- Pat in Plymouth MI Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
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chelated iron - haven't got any
B.Server wrote in message ... On 18 May 2003 11:41:24 -0700, (Ken Saunders) wrote: "Gyve Turquoise" wrote in message ... The OPs problem can either be a lack of iron in the soil or a soil pH that renders the iron unavailable. (and they are not mutually exclusive) I've heard that too. I'll test my pH! If you have the first instance, iron can be added in pretty much any form. So I can just bury some rusty nails in the soil? A web search I did suggested that the iron needs to be in a form which is digestible by the plant. If the second, either the pH needs to be lowered to the point that the existing iron becomes available or you can use chelated iron. Thanks for the advice. You have not said where in Japan you are. If you are in or around a large city, you might try one of the outlets of Tokyu Hands. I have found them to have a number of English or other European language speaking staff and a fairly large number of products that are "dual" packaged, for export so that there is at least some Romanji that would help you find an iron-containing product, (iron sulfate, for example) Thanks for your ideas. To be honest with you I can probably manage without "romanji" or English speaking assistants. I've been searching high and low for any kind of garden product with any form of iron in it in places including "Joyful Honda", D2 and Homac, but not in Tokyu Hands. |
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"Repeating Decimal" wrote in message ... I normally try to be nice to posters even if they ask inane questions. That is very considerate of you. On the other hand, when it seems that someone asks for help without making the slightest effort to learn but expect others to do their leg work for them, I do tend not to suffer them gladly. I quite understand. I do realize, however, that sometimes their effort is not well expressed by their words. I apologize for those lapses in my decorum. That's very magnanimous of you. Problems like that tend to show up in scientific newsgroups. Students sometimes ask for solutions to their homework without any effort on their own behalf. I must confess this was my homework actually. My teacher gave me assignments like "What's hydroponic supply store in Japanese?" "How can I get or make chelated iron for a lemon tree when the shops don't seem to sell it?" etc. etc. and without making any effort to answer these questions myself I just posted here. I'm so lazy! Such posts greatly irritate me, and my replies cannot hid my frustration with them. Yes, it must be very frustrating for you. It's not surprising you don't want to waste time actually reading the posts you're responding to before expressing your frustration. I also get irritated when someone expects specific answer they can look up as well as the people they are asking. Yes, life is very irritating, isn't it? |
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You make some good points. My point is when a person asks even a simple
question and somebody answers it, everybody learns from it. The thought of making square watermelon or veggies with faces on never crossed my mind, but having somebody ask about them and the sharing of knowledge I learned about it even though the info is on the net. I have been reading this group for over 3 years, I hardly ever post, but I learned a lot from just reading it. I never would have known about different kinds of tomatoes, peppers, ect.. without somebody asking about them. Yes if I wanted to know what kind of tomato tasted the best I could do a google search...but it never crossed my mind, nor did I think I needed to know this. But reading the group when somebody would ask a question like this I learned what people think is the best. Another note when people ask "dumb" or "lazy" questions it usually starts a nice thread when the subject actually changes into something different, thus more to learn. If your neighbor stops by and says he wants to know what the best tasting tomato is and you know he has a T1 line and is on the net 20 hrs out of the day, would you flame him or would you have an intelligent conversation with him and brag about the luck you had with a certain kind ? Just treat people like you would in real life. Another note say maybe only a few people responded to a question a few years ago and their information is outdated or even wrong, should they go by that and maybe harm themselves just because they aren't allowed to ask a question that was answered before. Repeating Decimal wrote: in article , Gyve Turquoise at wrote on 5/22/03 11:57 PM: I'm not sure Bill was flaming, I think he was making a joke! I said I didn't know what "hydroponic supply store" was in Japanese, and he said not to ask about elementary stuff. Obviously this question is very difficult for everyone to answer, so I think Bill was being ironic. I think he really meant "don't ask this kind of difficult question to me". I normally try to be nice to posters even if they ask inane questions. On the other hand, when it seems that someone asks for help without making the slightest effort to learn but expect others to do their leg work for them, I do tend not to suffer them gladly. I do realize, however, that sometimes their effort is not well expressed by their words. I apologize for those lapses in my decorum. Problems like that tend to show up in scientific newsgroups. Students sometimes ask for solutions to their homework without any effort on their own behalf. Such posts greatly irritate me, and my replies cannot hid my frustration with them. I also get irritated when someone expects specific answer they can look up as well as the people they are asking. For this group such a question may be: how much nitrogen is there in ammonium sulfate? Even if you do not have enough chemical knowledge to do that for yourself, it is something easily looked up in a gardening book that covers fertilizers. Bill |
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On Fri, 23 May 2003 22:38:44 GMT, Repeating Decimal
wrote: in article , Gyve Turquoise at wrote on 5/22/03 11:57 PM: I'm not sure Bill was flaming, I think he was making a joke! I said I didn't know what "hydroponic supply store" was in Japanese, and he said not to ask about elementary stuff. Obviously this question is very difficult for everyone to answer, so I think Bill was being ironic. I think he really meant "don't ask this kind of difficult question to me". I normally try to be nice to posters even if they ask inane questions. On the other hand, when it seems that someone asks for help without making the slightest effort to learn but expect others to do their leg work for them, I do tend not to suffer them gladly. I do realize, however, that sometimes their effort is not well expressed by their words. I apologize for those lapses in my decorum. I tend just not to answer questions that will require a basic book on the subject. If it's apparent from the question that the questioner hasn't read even one book on gardening, for instance, I'm not going to endeavor to write a book for him on the newsgroup. It's just beyond the scope of Usenet to do this, plus I haven't the time, PLUS if I did have the time and ability, I'd write a book for publication and expect to be paid for it. Problems like that tend to show up in scientific newsgroups. Students sometimes ask for solutions to their homework without any effort on their own behalf. Such posts greatly irritate me, and my replies cannot hid my frustration with them. I also get irritated when someone expects specific answer they can look up as well as the people they are asking. For this group such a question may be: how much nitrogen is there in ammonium sulfate? Even if you do not have enough chemical knowledge to do that for yourself, it is something easily looked up in a gardening book that covers fertilizers. I'll sometimes (if feeling charitable) instruct someone how to search for an answer on the Web. I think a lot of folks STILL don't know how to do this. Pat |
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On Sat, 24 May 2003 09:19:34 +0900, "Gyve Turquoise"
wrote: B.Server wrote in message .. . On 18 May 2003 11:41:24 -0700, (Ken Saunders) wrote: "Gyve Turquoise" wrote in message ... The OPs problem can either be a lack of iron in the soil or a soil pH that renders the iron unavailable. (and they are not mutually exclusive) I've heard that too. I'll test my pH! If you have the first instance, iron can be added in pretty much any form. So I can just bury some rusty nails in the soil? A web search I did suggested that the iron needs to be in a form which is digestible by the plant. I would use a sulfate, particularly if the soil tends toward the high end of the pH scale. Nails would only provide a biologically available form if the pH is neutral to acid. If you are going organic, manures, rice hulls, and most compost tend to be acidic. Blood meal would then provide a useful souce of iron. [...] Thanks for your ideas. To be honest with you I can probably manage without "romanji" or English speaking assistants. I've been searching high and low for any kind of garden product with any form of iron in it in places including "Joyful Honda", D2 and Homac, but not in Tokyu Hands. I was not intending to impune your Japanese fluency. A lot of relatively compentent non-native speakers have little or no reading skills in my experience. I have not looked at Japanese packaging for gardening supplies, so I have no idea whether there are adopted kanji for specific chemicals and compounds or whether they are rendered in kana. My guess would be that "organic gardening" products, being native materials, would have kanji names, but chemical compounds would be rendered in a combination of kana and IEC symbols. |
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B.Server wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 May 2003 09:19:34 +0900, "Gyve Turquoise" wrote: I would use a sulfate, particularly if the soil tends toward the high end of the pH scale. Nails would only provide a biologically available form if the pH is neutral to acid. The pH of the soil I scraped from the top of the pot is 5.5 according to my testing kit. It should be about the same lower down I suppose. The potting mixture I used was one part of sand to three parts of leaf mould to six parts of something called "aka dama" earth ("aka dama" means "red ball" in English, and it is literally little red clay balls, but I don't know what it should be called correctly in English). This year I've been feeding the tree with something called "Hyponex". If you are going organic, manures, rice hulls, and most compost tend to be acidic. Blood meal would then provide a useful souce of iron. Blood meal is another thing I've never seen on sale here. I'm going to try to find the tablet iron for humans mentioned by another poster first, and failing that I'll stick some rusty nails in the soil. |
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