I recently posted a query here about chelated iron for a lemon tree. Thanks
for the reply, but I can't find anything suitable to use here. I have asked
at several garden centres and looked through catalogues without joy. I
should mention that I live in Japan.

Is there any common product I can use as a substitute for chelated iron or
any easy way to cook the stuff up? What I want to do is solve my tree's
problem with the lack of iron, so any suggestions are welcome.

"Gyve Turquoise" wrote in message ...
I recently posted a query here about chelated iron for a lemon tree. Thanks
for the reply, but I can't find anything suitable to use here. I have asked
at several garden centres and looked through catalogues without joy. I
should mention that I live in Japan.

Is there any common product I can use as a substitute for chelated iron or
any easy way to cook the stuff up? What I want to do is solve my tree's
problem with the lack of iron, so any suggestions are welcome.

Gyve....Would the compound that turns Hydrangea's blue, be of any use.
A cheap substitute is iron nails underplanted

in article , Gyve Turquoise at
wrote on 5/17/03 6:14 PM:

I recently posted a query here about chelated iron for a lemon tree. Thanks
for the reply, but I can't find anything suitable to use here. I have asked
at several garden centres and looked through catalogues without joy. I
should mention that I live in Japan.

Is there any common product I can use as a substitute for chelated iron or
any easy way to cook the stuff up? What I want to do is solve my tree's
problem with the lack of iron, so any suggestions are welcome.


It may be that the people you are talking to have no idea of what you mean.
Many formulations are available with iron chelates. I know that Ortho makes
some. Ironite is another trade name for gypsum mixed with iron. Hydroponic
supply stores should have some available. My guess is that you have not
looked into it very well.

Bill

Gyve Turquoise said:

I recently posted a query here about chelated iron for a lemon tree. Thanks
for the reply, but I can't find anything suitable to use here. I have asked
at several garden centres and looked through catalogues without joy. I
should mention that I live in Japan.

Is there any common product I can use as a substitute for chelated iron or
any easy way to cook the stuff up? What I want to do is solve my tree's
problem with the lack of iron, so any suggestions are welcome.

Foliar feeding the tree a solution made with kelp or other seaweed might help.

You could also consider grinding up a few tablets of an iron supplement made
for human consumption.
--
Pat in Plymouth MI

Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)

"Repeating Decimal" wrote in message
...
in article , Gyve Turquoise at
wrote on 5/17/03 6:14 PM:

I recently posted a query here about chelated iron for a lemon tree.
Thanks
for the reply, but I can't find anything suitable to use here. I have
asked
at several garden centres and looked through catalogues without joy. I
should mention that I live in Japan.

Is there any common product I can use as a substitute for chelated iron
or
any easy way to cook the stuff up? What I want to do is solve my tree's
problem with the lack of iron, so any suggestions are welcome.


It may be that the people you are talking to have no idea of what you
mean.

It's extremely likely since my Japanese is very bad.

Many formulations are available with iron chelates. I know that Ortho
makes
some. Ironite is another trade name for gypsum mixed with iron.

Thanks for the advice. Is gypsum mixed with iron the same as iron chelates?

Hydroponic
supply stores should have some available. My guess is that you have not
looked into it very well.

You are right that I probably haven't looked into it well enough, but I live
in Japan so the names of the products and the suppliers are different from
the ones in your country. Unfortunately I don't know any hydroponic supply
stores here. I don't even know the Japanese for "hydroponic supply store"
either.

"Pat Kiewicz" wrote in message
...

Foliar feeding the tree a solution made with kelp or other seaweed might
help.

You could also consider grinding up a few tablets of an iron supplement
made
for human consumption.

Thank you for the ideas. How many tablets do you think I need to use?

"Ken Saunders" wrote in message
om...
"Gyve Turquoise" wrote in message
...

Gyve....Would the compound that turns Hydrangea's blue, be of any use.
A cheap substitute is iron nails underplanted

Does it really work for lemons? There are so many bits of rusty metal to be
found in Japan.

in article , Gyve Turquoise at
wrote on 5/22/03 6:18 AM:


You are right that I probably haven't looked into it well enough, but I live
in Japan so the names of the products and the suppliers are different from
the ones in your country. Unfortunately I don't know any hydroponic supply
stores here. I don't even know the Japanese for "hydroponic supply store"
either.

These are your shortcomings. Do not expect to be spoon fed elementary stuff
via USENET.

Bill

Gyve Turquoise said:

Is there any common product I can use as a substitute for chelated iron or
any easy way to cook the stuff up? What I want to do is solve my tree's
problem with the lack of iron, so any suggestions are welcome.

Iron sulphate is usually one of the ingredients found in fertilisers that
contain micronutrients.
--
Gardening Zones
Canada Zone 5a
United States Zone 3a
Near Ottawa, Ontario

"Repeating Decimal" wrote in message
...
in article , Gyve Turquoise at
wrote on 5/22/03 6:18 AM:


You are right that I probably haven't looked into it well enough, but I
live
in Japan so the names of the products and the suppliers are different
from
the ones in your country. Unfortunately I don't know any hydroponic
supply
stores here. I don't even know the Japanese for "hydroponic supply
store"
either.

These are your shortcomings. Do not expect to be spoon fed elementary
stuff
via USENET.

I'm very sorry, Bill, for expecting you to spoonfeed me elementary stuff via
USENET. In future, could you please spoonfeed me elementary stuff by email?
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Gyve Turquoise wrote:

"Repeating Decimal" wrote in message
...


in article , Gyve Turquoise at
wrote on 5/22/03 6:18 AM:



You are right that I probably haven't looked into it well enough, but I


live


in Japan so the names of the products and the suppliers are different


from


the ones in your country. Unfortunately I don't know any hydroponic


supply


stores here. I don't even know the Japanese for "hydroponic supply


store"


either.


These are your shortcomings. Do not expect to be spoon fed elementary


stuff


via USENET.



I'm very sorry, Bill, for expecting you to spoonfeed me elementary stuff via
USENET. In future, could you please spoonfeed me elementary stuff by email?
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Just ignore them. I hope most of the people in here don't act the way
they do in here in real life. I never saw a bigger bunch of snot-nosed,
rude, keyboard rambo, cry babies in all the other groups I visit.
If it comes down to it, why even have the group ? You can find
everything out on the net. You can ask a valid question that they may
not seem is important, so they flame away.
I myself am tired of the way the group has an "attitude" so lets get
this straight.

Treat people like you want to be treated, or at least like you were face
to face with them in real life.
You were once new also.
Nobody runs this group, nobody has more pull or more say then another.
If you don't have an answer to the question......move on, don't flame it
or say something totally different.
Bottom line, don't be a dick

Now I will wait for all the people that feel they have to announce when
they Ploink somebody.

"Brian" wrote in message
...

Just ignore them. I hope most of the people in here don't act the way
they do in here in real life. I never saw a bigger bunch of snot-nosed,
rude, keyboard rambo, cry babies in all the other groups I visit.

You obviously have much more skill than me in choosing what to read. There
are "characters" in the other newsgroups I read who make this one look
rather tame. I've found the posters here very helpful with my queries so
far. Thanks to everyone who has taken the trouble to reply.

If it comes down to it, why even have the group ? You can find
everything out on the net. You can ask a valid question that they may
not seem is important, so they flame away.

I'm not sure Bill was flaming, I think he was making a joke! I said I didn't
know what "hydroponic supply store" was in Japanese, and he said not to ask
about elementary stuff. Obviously this question is very difficult for
everyone to answer, so I think Bill was being ironic. I think he really
meant "don't ask this kind of difficult question to me".

I myself am tired of the way the group has an "attitude"

Does it? I read some newsgroups which are infested with really nasty bozos.
The posters I have seen on "rec.gardens.edible" seem reasonable enough.

Gyve Turquoise said:


"Pat Kiewicz" wrote in message
...

Foliar feeding the tree a solution made with kelp or other seaweed might
help.

You could also consider grinding up a few tablets of an iron supplement
made for human consumption.

Thank you for the ideas. How many tablets do you think I need to use?

As a totally wild guess, I'd try crushing a couple and disolving in maybe
1 liter of water. Use some as a foliar spray on some of the tree (to make
sure it does no harm) and the rest when watering. Repeat the foliar feed
if that goes well. Increase the dosage llittle by little if you see no effect at all.
--
Pat in Plymouth MI

Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)

On 18 May 2003 11:41:24 -0700, (Ken
Saunders) wrote:

"Gyve Turquoise" wrote in message ...
I recently posted a query here about chelated iron for a lemon tree. Thanks
for the reply, but I can't find anything suitable to use here. I have asked
at several garden centres and looked through catalogues without joy. I
should mention that I live in Japan.

Is there any common product I can use as a substitute for chelated iron or
any easy way to cook the stuff up? What I want to do is solve my tree's
problem with the lack of iron, so any suggestions are welcome.

Gyve....Would the compound that turns Hydrangea's blue, be of any use.
A cheap substitute is iron nails underplanted

The OPs problem can either be a lack of iron in the soil or a soil pH
that renders the iron unavailable. (and they are not mutually
exclusive)

If you have the first instance, iron can be added in pretty much any
form. If the second, either the pH needs to be lowered to the point
that the existing iron becomes available or you can use chelated iron.

You have not said where in Japan you are. If you are in or around a
large city, you might try one of the outlets of Tokyu Hands. I have
found them to have a number of English or other European language
speaking staff and a fairly large number of products that are "dual"
packaged, for export so that there is at least some Romanji that would
help you find an iron-containing product, (iron sulfate, for example)

in article , Gyve Turquoise at
wrote on 5/22/03 11:57 PM:

I'm not sure Bill was flaming, I think he was making a joke! I said I didn't
know what "hydroponic supply store" was in Japanese, and he said not to ask
about elementary stuff. Obviously this question is very difficult for
everyone to answer, so I think Bill was being ironic. I think he really
meant "don't ask this kind of difficult question to me".

I normally try to be nice to posters even if they ask inane questions. On
the other hand, when it seems that someone asks for help without making the
slightest effort to learn but expect others to do their leg work for them, I
do tend not to suffer them gladly. I do realize, however, that sometimes
their effort is not well expressed by their words. I apologize for those
lapses in my decorum.

Problems like that tend to show up in scientific newsgroups. Students
sometimes ask for solutions to their homework without any effort on their
own behalf. Such posts greatly irritate me, and my replies cannot hid my
frustration with them. I also get irritated when someone expects specific
answer they can look up as well as the people they are asking. For this
group such a question may be: how much nitrogen is there in ammonium
sulfate? Even if you do not have enough chemical knowledge to do that for
yourself, it is something easily looked up in a gardening book that covers
fertilizers.

Bill