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But your "right" or "option" to join a HOA where the percentage of
minorities drops dramatically (to as low as zero percent ) doesn't look so nifty, not if the day before you went house-hunting you naively believed that discriminatory housing policies was illegal in all cases, only to discover a half-dozen of the surrunding neighborhoods "coincidentally" only sell to whites & a huge percentage of houses on the market aren't for you -- & turns out there's very little you can do about it even if you were brave enough to force the issue & forge a path amidst all those honkies. The other thing to thing about is this: would you want to live in a place where you knoew everyone around didn't want you there, and was watching your every move? Not to mention you were accused (in the courts of public opinion) everything something was missing from someone's house? I am whilte, and while I have nothing against any other races, I don't htink I would be comforatable moving in to an all-hispanic, or al-black area. I wouldn't fit. everyone would alway look at, and treat me like an outsider. I have seen the same thing here in the town I live in. there are about 1000 people. all bt about 10 of them are white.. anytime something is stolen, of missing, or broken, it's always "those damn ni$$ers" that did it.... Mean while they keep to themselves, you may win in the courts, but whould it be worth it?? email: daveallyn at bwsys dot net please respond in this NG so others can share your wisdom as well! |
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On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:29:59 -0400, "Julia Green"
wrote: Those are HOAs for the entire *county of Montgomery. How does that not legitimize the contention that there are hundreds in a local? |
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"Wendy Chatley Green" wrote in message ... For some inexplicable reasons, "Vox Humana" wrote: : HOA rules are on file in your county :courthouse. You should ask to see a copy before you sign the planned unit :development rider at closing. I've lived in three communities with HOAs. For each transaction, the HOA and/or the sellar had to give us a copy of the association's rules so we had time to read through them before the closing. That doesn't seem to be a equipment in Ohio. You do have to sign a Planned Unit Development rider at closing. As with any legal document, you should know what you are signing and ask questions. Giving the buyer the rules is a good idea that could keep you out of hot water later should the buyer claim that you failed to disclose that existence of a HOA. We had a case in our development where a home buyer drove a commercial truck. He asked the realtor if it was OK to park the truck in the driveway because it wouldn't fit through the garage door opening. The realtor, Coldwell Banker, assured him, in writing, that he could park the truck in the driveway. Unfortunately not only was it against the covenants and restrictions, but also against township zoning regulations. Coldwell Banker had to get permission from the association to modify the garage door opening to make it taller and then install a larger door after the homeowner threatened litigation. Strangely, after all the fuss, the owner still refused to park in the garage. Despite the fact that he knew that the association had rules that were enforceable, he pushed the issue. The association got a court order that prevented him from parking in the driveway except for five hours a month to allow him to wash the truck. If he violates the order, not only can he be fined by the association, but he would violating a court order. |
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I believe Vox had said that there were hundreds in one *neighborhood.
That's an exaggeration. "Tom Jaszewski" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:29:59 -0400, "Julia Green" wrote: Those are HOAs for the entire *county of Montgomery. How does that not legitimize the contention that there are hundreds in a local? |
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"Julia Green" wrote in message ... I believe Vox had said that there were hundreds in one *neighborhood. That's an exaggeration. No. Technically, someone else said that there were hundreds in a community. I pointed out that there were over 800 in Montgomery county. Maybe that county is huge and 800 HOAs are so dispersed that they wouldn't be very close to each other. I don't know. I doubt that there are 800 towns in my county. I would suspect that the 800 associations are clustered and not evenly dispersed. There are over 40 million people living in about 200,000 communities governed by HOAs. From that standpoint, Montgomery County, MD would have a disproportionate number of these communities as compared with the nation as a whole. |
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"Vox Humana" wrote in message .. . No. Technically, someone else said that there were hundreds in a community. I pointed out that there were over 800 in Montgomery county. Maybe that county is huge and 800 HOAs are so dispersed that they wouldn't be very close to each other. I don't know. I doubt that there are 800 towns in my county. I would suspect that the 800 associations are clustered and not evenly dispersed. There are over 40 million people living in about 200,000 communities governed by HOAs. From that standpoint, Montgomery County, MD would have a disproportionate number of these communities as compared with the nation as a whole. Oh, I thought you were the one who talked about hundreds of HOAs in one community or neighborhood. I was mistaken. I don't know if Montgomery Co. has a disproportionate number of HOAs or not. But Montgomery Village alone probably accounts for about 75 of them, at least. Each little neighborhood in M.V. has its own little HOA and there are a ton of little neighborhoods in M.V. |
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In article , "Vox Humana"
wrote: "paghat" wrote in message ... In article , Tom J wrote: On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 11:09:43 -0400, Ann wrote: Tom J expounded: This entire thread remains clueless except for some insight by Vox.... Sorry, but I find Vox to be as rabid as Paghat on this one. OK Ann, but living in a communality with hundreds of HOA's I see none of the rantings validated. Some people don't HAVE to care, so never even bother to look. You don't see what you couldn't care less about. Tell me what single community has HUNDREDS of HOAs while you're at it. By HUNDREDS you mean 200 HOAs right in your neighborhood? Three or four hundred? Six hundred? Should be easy for you to name 10% of them then, or grab your Yellow Pages & list the ones that start with "S" -- that should be a good 20 out of 200 right there. Someone mentioned that they lived in an area called Montgomery Village that had a lot of HOAs. If you go to the Montgomery County HOA page you will see a list of over 800 HOA listed. http://www.communitiesonline.org/sta...ontgomery/hoa/ The majority of that page lists single-building condo associations, & lists them randomly throughout Virginia, Washington D.C., & Maryland, & includes unincorporated civic associations that are not HOAs. Even if these HAD all been only from Montgomery County (as you may have imagined since all you looked at was a Google header) that's NOT a single community, it's a COUNTY'S worth of cities & towns. Makes me wonder if this depth of dishonesty on your part is intentional or something deeply ingrained & awful in you forces you against your will to be dishonest! But lets imagine your horrifying idea of utopia were true & a single community had 800 HOA-run neighborhoods -- or even just the 200 the previous liar made up on the spur of the moment. We'll even toss-in the single-building condo associations to help you boost your numbers, & though that's cheating, we have to accept that cheating is your method & you might get away with it here & there. Can't include those civic neighborhood associations, though, as they tend to do nicer stuff than HOAs ever do. If your dream is true, then SOMEwhere there are 200 neighborhoods &/or incoporation-regulated condos in a single community, with people of no conscience (as best-case) or even outright racists, happily empowered by a method of incorporation that permits them to legally take over other peoples' property rights & work around Civil Rights protections, resulting INEVITABLY in such outrages as I documented in Marin County against a tiny handful of Orthodox Jews & in San Clemente against the only Asian woman with a house inside the HOA district harrassed for ten years before the law stepped in. 200 to 800 neighborhoods & incorporated condos in one town, eh? All of which at LEAST have the OPTION of being racist, heterosexist, agist, & antisemitic, & generally function with one or more category within that option very much activated. Minorities shopping for homes, then, are expected to write off as off-bounds THAT many communities?? Clearly you people have got to be stopped! For fortunately you don't control quite such a big percentage of the housing marketplace. And unfortunately for your dream, though it's been a long while coming, a few state, federal, & county government agences ARE finally beginning to undermine these "special" qualities of homeowner associations. I expect additional dragged-out court cases & state-by-state legislation will in the future further limit your scary "options" to decide the age, race, sexual orientation, or religion of people permitted to buy a home in incorporated neighborhoods. Sure, the option to orchestrate racist housing at any time you so elect does still exist today. But in increasing numbers of regions, it's getting harder rather than easier to suffer no legal repurcussions, even if in all cases the governmental approach has had to be "novel" from the hate-crime angle & foreclosure-angle & banned-funding angle & so on. And even the most overt racists among you HOArs may decide tolerance is after all a better idea than continuously having the HOA dues raised to cover the court costs of preserving that one & only thing which inspired the HOA movement in the first place. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
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"paghat" wrote in message ... In article , "john wardle" wrote: "paghat" wrote in message ... In article , Rico wrote: [CLIPPED, some EXCELLENT stuff for a change! -- & what a relief to see that not EVERYone is a head-in-hole Vox type! I will keep unclipped only what I reply to, but anyone of intelligence will want to have read it all.] I've never heard of a Christian housing district. Are you sure of your facts? The vast majority of Homeowner Associations automatically reject Jews. Saint Ole's original wordings & recommendations for how to form a neighborhood corporation free of anyone but Christian whites even prohibited Hindus, as if that were any great worry in San Clemente. And how do they know someone is a jew? Are they checking some part of the anatomy? The would be the first clue to not move in...... The racist, christian, conspirasy-theory organization "Retaking America" which is worried about the One World Government's desire to force integration of God's people with mud people, today still promotes Homeowner Associations as a key weapon for the continuing & express purpose of keeping neighborhoods exclusively white & "their kind" of christian. Your bigotry is showing.... I'm just a little surprised you'd define disliking an avowedly racist movement (which supports HOAs because HOAs is a short-cut to preserving their right to enforce discrimination in an entire neighborhood) as itself bigotted. Okay, i LOVE bigots, I hope my neighborhood FILLS UP with bigots. If I refuse to attend their queer-bashing party or don't take my turn burning crosses on a black family's lawn, am I still a bigot not to help out? I know, I know, you were being satiric, & you don't share Retaking AMerica's conviction that Black & Jewish Mud People, assisted by the United Nations, are taking over America. But the creepier sorts participating in this thread are going to think you weren't pretending & that you're a complete dunderhead like themselves! However, when Retaking America came out against "evil" King Bush II, Master of the One World Order, for waging war because of pretend-weopons of destruction, I had this creepy feeling that I agreed with them about something -- as creepy as the VERY LAST TIME i ever showed up to picket against an offensive film & found that that Holy Rollers were also picketing it. Inducing me to buy a ticket. The film turned out to be okay. -paghat the ratgirl I may be willing to re-think my position on your apparent bigotry...But this is just way too funny! As a former employee of the federal government, I must tell you that I felt duty bound after reading this to notify authorities. You should hear the black helicopters overhead any minute now..... |
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In article , "Dave Allyn"
(Dave Allyn) wrote: But your "right" or "option" to join a HOA where the percentage of minorities drops dramatically (to as low as zero percent ) doesn't look so nifty, not if the day before you went house-hunting you naively believed that discriminatory housing policies was illegal in all cases, only to discover a half-dozen of the surrunding neighborhoods "coincidentally" only sell to whites & a huge percentage of houses on the market aren't for you -- & turns out there's very little you can do about it even if you were brave enough to force the issue & forge a path amidst all those honkies. The other thing to thing about is this: would you want to live in a place where you knoew everyone around didn't want you there, and was watching your every move? Not to mention you were accused (in the courts of public opinion) everything something was missing from someone's house? The people who HAVE forged inroads where they're unwanted I consider brave, in some cases heroic, & for far too many it cost them their lives. I couldn't do it either. I am whilte, and while I have nothing against any other races, I don't htink I would be comforatable moving in to an all-hispanic, or al-black area. I've lived in predominantly black & asian neighborhoods & loved these communities. I've visited lilywhite neighborhoods & felt very uncomfortable, & my discomfort was rarely baseless. I think what you outline is the result of unfamiliarity & you give evidence of the harm segregation does even to someone such as yourself, that you find yourself having to admit discomfort with races you know you have no need to despise. I wouldn't fit. everyone would alway look at, and treat me like an outsider. I have seen the same thing here in the town I live in. there are about 1000 people. all bt about 10 of them are white.. anytime something is stolen, of missing, or broken, it's always "those damn ni$$ers" that did it.... Mean while they keep to themselves, That's exactly the sort of thing you should NOT be comfortable around. That you recognize these honkies' racism, but are nevertheless more comfortable with them, is a terrible thing for your own growth & humanity. Though I can certainly imagine that such a small town might not provide you as many options as would be more humanly rewarding. You seem to be saying you're comfortable in the manner of a chameleon. Because your skin's the same color as that of racists, you're not at risk. Personally that wouldn't comfort me. I recognize my "white privilege" in this regard, & know to some degree I benefit in certain ways that black skin never can. But it still strikes me as creepy rather than comfortable. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
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paghat wrote:
[huge snip] Clearly you people have got to be stopped! [snipped a *bunch* more] "You people"? Isn't that a code word for exactly the same kind of segregation you're ranting about? Wondering what Pag's real agenda is, Bob |
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In article , "Vox Humana"
wrote: "Julia Green" wrote in message ... I believe Vox had said that there were hundreds in one *neighborhood. That's an exaggeration. No. Technically, someone else said that there were hundreds in a community. I pointed out that there were over 800 in Montgomery county. Maybe that county is huge and 800 HOAs are so dispersed that they wouldn't be very close to each other. I don't know. I doubt that there are 800 towns in my county. I would suspect that the 800 associations are clustered and not evenly dispersed. There are over 40 million people living in about 200,000 communities governed by HOAs. From that standpoint, Montgomery County, MD would have a disproportionate number of these communities as compared with the nation as a whole. Interesting that your method of argument is to tell a lie, have the lie corrected, then tell it again. I've noticed a lot of rightwingers do that -- just keep repeating the same lie over & over & over no matter how often it is corrected. But once mo That list you gave included HOAs in Virginia, Washington DC, & Maryland. It included civic associations that are not HOAs, & it included single-building condominium HOAs that are not neigbhoroods. If such a density of HOA neighborhoods exists in a single community anywhere in the United States, you came nowhere close to proving it by repeating your whopper here. But if it IS true somewhere, that would be absolutely horrifying to any decent human being, pleasing though it may be for you. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
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it was a metal fence and they dont consider a metal fence to be decorative. Ingrid
"Vox Humana" wrote: wrote in message ... exactly my point!!!!! there is NO PERMIT REQUIRED FOR A DECORATIVE FENCE. right. thats what it was, less than 3' in height and 50% open and when the vines grew up it, decorative. what it says is a fence on the lot line (all around the yard) DOES NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT when it is less than 3 feet high and "open". What was reason given when you were ordered to remove the fence? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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In article , zxcvbob
wrote: paghat wrote: [huge snip] Clearly you people have got to be stopped! [snipped a *bunch* more] "You people"? Isn't that a code word for exactly the same kind of segregation you're ranting about? Wondering what Pag's real agenda is, Bob If you're one of those loons worried I'm out to see the demise of all white people, stop worryin', that wouldn't be so good for my white ass either. -paghat -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
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"Julia Green" wrote in message ... "Vox Humana" wrote in message .. . No. Technically, someone else said that there were hundreds in a community. I pointed out that there were over 800 in Montgomery county. Maybe that county is huge and 800 HOAs are so dispersed that they wouldn't be very close to each other. I don't know. I doubt that there are 800 towns in my county. I would suspect that the 800 associations are clustered and not evenly dispersed. There are over 40 million people living in about 200,000 communities governed by HOAs. From that standpoint, Montgomery County, MD would have a disproportionate number of these communities as compared with the nation as a whole. Oh, I thought you were the one who talked about hundreds of HOAs in one community or neighborhood. I was mistaken. I don't know if Montgomery Co. has a disproportionate number of HOAs or not. But Montgomery Village alone probably accounts for about 75 of them, at least. Each little neighborhood in M.V. has its own little HOA and there are a ton of little neighborhoods in M.V. I see that here, but not to the extent that is in a highly developed area like the DC suburbs. |
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"paghat" wrote in message ... In article , "Vox Humana" wrote: "paghat" wrote in message ... In article , Tom J wrote: On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 11:09:43 -0400, Ann wrote: Tom J expounded: This entire thread remains clueless except for some insight by Vox.... Sorry, but I find Vox to be as rabid as Paghat on this one. OK Ann, but living in a communality with hundreds of HOA's I see none of the rantings validated. Some people don't HAVE to care, so never even bother to look. You don't see what you couldn't care less about. Tell me what single community has HUNDREDS of HOAs while you're at it. By HUNDREDS you mean 200 HOAs right in your neighborhood? Three or four hundred? Six hundred? Should be easy for you to name 10% of them then, or grab your Yellow Pages & list the ones that start with "S" -- that should be a good 20 out of 200 right there. Someone mentioned that they lived in an area called Montgomery Village that had a lot of HOAs. If you go to the Montgomery County HOA page you will see a list of over 800 HOA listed. http://www.communitiesonline.org/sta...ontgomery/hoa/ The majority of that page lists single-building condo associations, & lists them randomly throughout Virginia, Washington D.C., & Maryland, & includes unincorporated civic associations that are not HOAs. Oh, now I see the problem. You can't read! I guess that you didn't realize that the page is titled "Montgomery County Homeowners Associations" and that the words "Home Owners Association" and "HOA" in the titles of all the organizations refer to organizations of people who own homes. Just for fun, why don't you tell me of the following list, which of the Homeowners Associations listed on that page are not Homeowners Associations, but instead "unincorporated civic associations?" Montgomery County Homeowners Associations Ashley Hollow HOA, Inc. Ashley Manor (HOA) Ashley Place at Tanglewood HOA Ashton Oaks HOA Inc. Ashton Pond Community Assn. Inc. 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(The) Hamlet Citizens Assn. (of Chevy ChaseMd.) Hamlet Place Owners Inc. Hamlet Station HOA Inc. Hampshire Greens HOA Inc. Hampton Estates Homeowners Assoc.Inc. Harding's Run (HOA) Harvest Hunt Farm AssociationInc. Harvest Knolls HOA Inc. Heritage Farm HOA Inc. Heritage Preserve Inc. Heritage Walk Homes Corporation Hickory Ridge Hidden Orchard HOA Inc. Highlands Homeowners Assn.Inc.The Highlands of Harford Community HOA Inc. Hillandale HOA Hilltop Square HOA Inc. Hollow Tree Farm HOA Inc. Holly Point Hollybrooke Community Assn. Homecrest HOA Homecrest II HOA Inc. Homeland Village Community Assn.Inc. Hunters Trace Hunters Woods HOA Hunting Hill Estates HOA Inc. Hunting Ridge Community Assn.Inc. Hunting Woods Homeowners Assoc.Inc. Huntington Crest Homeowners Assoc.Inc. Hyde Park Recreational Assoc.Inc. Inverness Assn.Inc. Inverness Forest Association Inc. Inverness Forest Citizens Assn. Inverness North HOA Inc. Inverness Village Iverleigh Community AssociationInc. Iverleigh HOA Inc. Jaystone Court HOA Inc. Jefferson Place HOA Inc. Jefferson Square HOA Inc. Jonathans Trace HOA Inc. Jones Hill HOA Inc. Keeneland Homeowners Association Inc. Kemp Mill Forest Community Association Kemp Mill Homeowners Associaion Kemp Mill Square HOA Inc. Kensington Heights HOA Inc. Kensington Mews HOA Inc Kensington Ridge HOA Inc. Kensington Woods HOA Inc. Kentlands Citizens Assembly Inc. Kentsdale Estates HOA Inc. Kenwood Court Homes Association Inc. Kenwood House Coop Kimberleigh at Flower Hill HOA Inc. Kimberleigh I Homeowners Assoc.Inc. Kimberleigh II Homeowners Assoc.Inc. Kimberly Woods TH Comm. Assn. King Farm Citizens Assembly Inc. King Farm Conservancy Inc. Kings Bridge HOA Inc. Kings Grant Recreation Assoc.Inc. Kings Valley Manor Community Association Kingsview Knolls Kingsview Ridge Community Assn.Inc. Kingsview Village HOA Inc. Kinsman Farm HOA Inc. Lake Hallowell HOA Inc. Lakeforest Glen HOA Inc. Landmark Station HOA Inc. Layhill Square Homeowners Association Layhill View HOA Inc. Layhill View Section Two HOA Inc. Layhill View Townhouse Assoc.Inc. Laytonia Homeowners Association Inc. Legend Crest Homeowners Association Inc. Legend Hollow ? HOA Leisure World Community Corp.Inc. Limestone Court Homeowners Association Linden Walk HOA Inc. Littleford HOA Inc. Llewellyn Fields HOA Inc. Longdraft Estates HOA Inc. Longmead Crossing Community Services Assn.Inc. MacArthur Park HOA MacArthur Park HOA Inc. Mains HOA Inc.(The) Manchester Farm Community Assn.Inc. Manor Country ClubInc. (?Comm.Assn.) Manor Lake HOA Inc. Manor Oaks Neighborhood Assn.Inc. Manor Ridge HOA Inc. Manor Towne Mutual HomesInc.(The) Manor Village Homes Assn.Inc. (The) Maplewood Park HOA Inc. Marion Woods Homeowners Assn. Martin's Landing HOA Inc. Marwood HOA Inc. Maryland Farms Comm. Service Assn.Inc. Maryland Place Homes Corporation Mazza Wood HOA Mazza Woods Citizens Assn.Inc. McFarlin South Community Assn.Inc. Meadow Creek HOA Inc. Meadow Valley HOA Inc. Meadowgate Meadows at North Lake Meadowvale HOA Inc. Meadowvale West HOA Inc. Melwood Springs Homeowner's Assn.Inc. Merrimack Park HOA Inc. Merry1Go1Round Clusters HOA Inc. Merry1Go1Round Farm HOA Inc. Middle Village Homes Corporation Middlebridge Village HOA Inc.(The) Middlebrook Commons HOA Middlebrook Commons Townhouse Assn.Inc. Middlebrook Hills Community Assn. Middlebrook HOA Inc. Middlebrook Manor North HOA Inc. Middlebrook Manor South HOA Inc. Milestone HOA. Inc. Milestone Townhouse Assn.Inc. Mill Creek Forest Community Assn.Inc. Mill Creek Forest HOA Inc. Mill Creek Towne East HOA Inc. Mill Creek Towne West HOA Inc. Millstone HOAInc. (The) Mineral Springs HOA Inc. Mineral Springs Village HOA Inc. Montclair Manor HOA 2 Inc. Montclair Manor HOA 3 Montclair Manor HOA Inc. Montgomery Assn.Inc. Montgomery CountyAshford HOA Inc. Montgomery Highlands Estates HOA Inc. Montgomery Highlands HOA Inc. Montgomery Knolls Community Assn.Inc. Montgomery Manor HOA Inc. Montgomery Meadows HOA Inc. Montgomery Mews Community Assn.Inc. Montgomery Mutual Inc. Montgomery Place Community Assn.Inc. Montgomery Village Foundation (Umbrella) Montgomery West HOA Inc. Montrose Forest Homeowners Assoc Inc. Montrose Village HOA Montvale Homeowners Association Inc. Morningside HOA Inc. Mount Oak Manor HOA Inc. Mountain Village HOA Inc. Mountainview Estates HOA Inc. Naples Homeowners Assoc.Inc. Natalie Estates HOA Inc. Needwood Neelsville Estates HOA New Mark Commons Homes AssociationInc.(The) Newbridge Citizens Assn.Inc. (The) Norbec Grove Community Assn.Inc. Norbeck Chase Townhouse Assn.Inc. Norbeck Crest (HOA?) Norbeck Hills (Oaks) Homeowners Assoc. Norbeck Hills HOA Inc. Norbeck Hills Homes Inc. Norbeck Manor HOA Inc. Norbeck Woods Homeowners Assoc. Normandie Farm Estates Normandie Farm HOA Inc. Normandy Falls HOA Inc.(The) Normandy Hills HOA Inc. North Bonifant Woods HOA North Farm Citizens AssociationInc. North Gate Hall Community Assn.Inc. North Glen Hills Homeowners Assn.Inc. North Kensington Mews Homes Assoc. North Lake Village Federation Inc. North Lake Woods HOAInc. North Sherwood Forest HOA North Village Homes Corporation Northgate Homes Corporation Norwood Village HOA Oak Fair HOA Inc. Oak Grove HOA Inc. Oak Hollow Community Assn.Inc. Oak Landing HOA Inc. Oak Springs HOA Oak Springs Townhome Owners Assn. Oak Springs Townhouse Assn.Inc. Oak Terrace HOA Inc. Oakhills Community Assn.Inc. Oakhurst Community Assn.Inc. Oakhurst HOA Inc. Oakland Mills Community Assn.Inc. Oakview Knolls Townhouse Assn. Oakwood Homeowners Assoc.Inc. Oatland Farm HOA Inc. Old Georgetown Village HOA Inc. Olde Coach Square HOA Inc.(The) Olde Potomac Park Comm. Assoc.Inc. Olde Seneca Woods Community Assn.Inc. Olney Crossing HOA Inc. Olney Mill Community Assn.Inc. Olney Oaks Single Family HOA Inc. Olney Oaks Townhouse Association Inc. Olney Square HOA Number 2 Inc. Olney Square HOA Inc. Olney Towne AssociationInc. (The) Orange's HOA Inc.(The) Orchard Glen HOA Inc. Orchard Hills HOA Inc. Orchard Knolls HOA Inc. Orchard Place HOA Inc. Orchard Valley HOA Inc. Orchard View Community Assn.Inc. Orchards Homeowners AssociationInc.(The) Overbrook at Flower Hill HOA Inc. Overlook at Northlake HOA Inc.(The) Overlook Hills Homeowners Assoc.Inc. Overlook HOA Inc. Oxford Crossing Paint Branch Park Condominium Palisades AssociationInc. Park Gate (HOA) Park Overlook HOA Inc. Park Place Association Inc. Park Summit HOA Inc. Park Terrace Homeowners Assoc.Inc. Parker Farm HOA Inc. Parkside at Flower Hill HOA Inc. Patton Ridge Homes Corporation Peachwood (Estates) HOA Inc. Pembrooke Village HOA Penbrooke Comm. Assn.Inc. Penbrooke Community Assn.Inc.(The) Persimmon Point Home Owners Assn.Inc. Persimmon Tree Community Assn.Inc. Pickwick Village HOA Inc.(The) Plantations Community Assoc.Inc. Plantations Two Community Association Plaza Gardens Community Assn.Inc. Plyers Mill Crossing HOA Inc. Pond Ridge HOA (See Darnstown Hills HOA) Poplar Springs HOA Potomac Bend HOA Inc. Potomac Chase Estates Citizens Assoc. Potomac Chase HOA Inc. Potomac Commons Potomac Crest HOA Inc. Potomac Crossing Homeowners Association Inc. Potomac Estates HOA Inc. Potomac Falls HOA Inc. Potomac Farms HOA Inc.(The) Potomac Fields HOA Potomac Glen Community Assn.Inc. Potomac Grant HOA Inc. Potomac Grove HOA Inc. Potomac Hills HOA Inc. Potomac Hunt Run HOA Inc. Potomac Manors HOA Inc. Potomac Meadows HOA Inc. Potomac Mews Potomac Mill Farm HOA Inc. Potomac Pointe HOA Potomac Pond HOA Inc. Potomac Ridge HOA Inc. Potomac Station HOA Inc. Potomac Towne HOA Potomac Village HOA Inc. (Could be Villages of Potomac) Pratt Station HOA Inc. Preakness Drive HOA Inc. Prescott at Avenel Assn.Inc. Preserve at Small's Nursery HOA Promenade Towers Mut. Housing Corp. Quail Ridge Townhouse Association Inc. Quail Run of Darnestown HOA Inc. Quail Valley HOA Inc. Quince Orchard Estates Quince Orchard HOA Inc. Quince Orchard Park Community Assn.Inc. Quincehaven HOA Inc. Ramblewood HOA Inc. Rannoch Road HOA Inc. Red Barn Lane HOA Inc. Redgate Farms Comm. Association Inc. Redland Crossing HOA Inc. Redland Homeowners AssociationInc. (The) Redland Station Homes Assn.Inc.(The) Relda HOA Inc. Relda Square HOA Ridgefield CitizensInc. Ridgeleigh Community Assn.Inc.(The) Ridgeleigh HOA Ridgeview Community Association Ridgeview Estates HOA Inc. Ridgeview Townhouse Assn.Inc. Ridgewood Park HOA River Falls Homeowners AssociationInc. Riverhill HOA Inc. Rivers Edge HOA Inc. Riverside Terrace HOA Inc. Riverwood HOA Roberts Glen HOA Robey Road Commuters Assn.Inc. Rock Creek Hills HOA Rock Creek Manor Comm. Assoc.Inc. Rock Creek Palisades Citizens Assn.Inc. Rockcrest Courts Assn.Inc. Rockshire Association Inc. Rolling Acres Community Assn. Rolling Acres HOA Inc. Rolling Spring(s) HOA Inc. Rome Village HOA Inc. Rosehill Falls Comm. Assoc. Rosehill Falls Comm. Assoc. Use HOA 336 Rosemary Village Coopertive Inc. Rosewood Estates HOA Inc. Rosewood Manor Homeowners Association Inc. Saddle Creek HOA Saddle Creek Homeowners Assoc.Inc. Saddlebrook AssociationInc. Sandy Spring Meadow Owners' Assn.Inc. Saybrooke HOA Inc. Saybrooke II Scientist's Cliffs Assn.Inc.(The) Scotland Homeowners Association Inc. Sedgewick Homeowners Association Inc. Sedwick Home Association Inc. Seek Court Townhome Association Inc. Seneca Crossing Section I HOA Inc. Seneca Crossing Section II HOA Inc. Seneca Forest Community Association Inc. Seneca Green Community Council Corp. Seneca HOA Inc. Seneca Mews HOA Inc. Seneca Park HOA Inc. Seneca Park North HOA Inc. Seneca Whetstone HOA Seven Locks Overlook Comm. Assoc.Inc. Severn Run HOAInc.The SGS Homeowners Association Shady Grove Estates THA.Inc. Shady Grove Estates THAII Inc. Shady Grove III Comm. Assoc.Inc. Shady Grove Recreation Assn.Inc. (The) Shady Grove Station HOA Inc. Shady Grove Station Sect.VIII HOA Inc. Shady Grove Station Townhouse Assn.Inc. Shady Grove Station West Civic Assn.Inc. Shady Grove Village Community Council Corporation Shady Grove Village Townhouse Assn. Shady Grove Woods Homeowners Assoc.Inc. Shaker Woods HOA Shores at North Lake HOA Inc.(The) Silver Hill Heights HOA Inc. Silverwood HOA Inc. Sligo Housing Corporation Sligo1Branview Community Assn.Inc. Snowden's Mill HOAInc. Snowdens Mill Townhouse Assn.Inc. Snowdens Ridge Townhouse Assn South Ridge Homeowners Assoc.Inc. South Village Homes Corp. Spring Garden Estates HOA Inc. Spring Lawn Farm HOA Spring Mill HOA Spring Oak Community Assn. Spring Ridge Estates HOA Inc. Spruce Tree Village Stedwick Homes Corporation Stephen Knolls HOA Stephen Knolls Townhouse Community Assn.Inc. Stonebridge HOA Inc. Stonebridge Homeowners AssociationInc. Stonecrest North IV Stonecrest of Potomac HOA Inc. Stonegate Homeowners Association Stoneridge Community Council Corp.1Trading as Seneca Green Community Council 2115194 Stoneridge Community Council Corporation Inc. Stoneview HOA Stoney Creek Knoll Stoneybrook Homeowners Association Inc. Storms Retreat 1 may be a subdivision Strand Residences of Potomac Crest HOA Inc. (The) Stratford KnollsSubdiv for Wexford HOA Stratford Mews HOA Inc. Stratford Square HOA Inc. Stratford Woods Homeowners Association Strathmore Bel1Pre Civic Assn.Inc. Strathmore HOA Strathmore Place Association Inc. Stratton Court Townhouse Assoc.Inc. Strawberry Knolls Sudbury House Condominium Assoc.Inc. Summerhill HOA1See Meadow Valley HOA Inc. HOA #175. Summerhill HOA Inc.(The) Summerhill Townhouse Assn. Summit Hall Community Assn. Sumner Village Community Assn.Inc.(The) Sunnymeade HOA Inc. Surratts Village HOA Inc. Surrey Walk Homeowners Association.Inc. Sussex House Sweepstakes HOA Inc. Tall Oaks at Goshen Hunt Tally1HO Homeowners Assn.Inc. Tanglewood Recreational Assoc.Inc. Tanglewood Single1Family HOA Inc. Tanterra Homeowners Assoc.Inc. Tara Homeowners Association Tartan Ridge HOA Inc. Tattersall Woods HOA Inc. Teversall HOAInc.(The) Three Oaks Assn.Inc. Thurston Community Assn. Tilden Woods Citizens Assn.Inc. Tilden Woods Park Tildenwood HOA Timberlawn Timberlawn HOAInc. Timberlawn South1Tuckerman Walk HOA Inc. Timberline Townhouse Assn.Inc. Timberwood HOAInc. Timberwood on the ParkInc. Tivoli Community Assoc.Inc. Town and Country HOA Inc. Towne Centre Place Owners' Assn.Inc. Townes at Chestnut Oaks HOA Inc. Townes at Environ Townes at Walden HOA Inc. Townes Portabello HOA (Potomac Estates HOA) ? Treasure Oak Community Assoc.Inc. Trophy Court HOA Inc. Tuckerman Station HOA Inc. Tuckerman Walk HOA Turning Creek HOA Inc. Twin Lakes HOA Inc. University Towers Condominium Valley Stream Estates HOA Inc. Victoria Springs HOA Inc. Village at Potomac HOA Inc. (The) Village Gate HOA Inc. Village Gate HOA Inc. (SEE 0105) Village of James Creek HOA Inc. Villages at Tower Oaks HOA Inc. Vistas at Washingtonian Woods (HOA or Condo?) Waddington Park HOA Walnut Creek Homeowners Association Walnut Creek Townhouse Association Inc. Walnut Woods Waring Station HOA Inc. Warther Homes Association Inc. Washington Square HOA Inc. Washington Towne Homes Assn. Washingtonian Center Assn.Inc. (The) Washingtonian Towns HOA Inc. Washingtonian Village Washingtonian Woods HOA Inc. Waterford Place HOA Inc. Waters Landing Association Inc. Watkins Meadow HOA Inc. Watkins Mill HOA Inc. Watkins Overlook ? Wearing Station HOA ? Wedgewood Court (1) Townhouse HOA #1 Wedgewood Court(2)TH HOA Assn. No 2 Inc. Wesmond Townhouse Association Inc. West Bethesda Park HOA Inc. West Fairland Park Estates HOA Inc. West Riding Citizens Association Westchester Homeowners Assoc.Inc. Westfarm HOA Inc. Westlake Park Recreational Council Inc. Westleigh Citizens Association Westleigh Homeowners Association Inc. Westleigh Towns HOA Inc. Westwind HOAInc. Westwood Court Townhouses Homeowners Assn.Inc. Wetherstone HOA Inc. Wexford HOA Inc. Whetstone Homes Corporation Williamsburg Assn.Inc. Williamsburg Square Community Council Corp. Williamsburg Square Townhouse Willow Ridge Homeowners Association Inc. Willow Ridge Homes Corporation Willow Run HOA Willows of Potomac Community Assn. (The) Windridge Development Windsor Square Association Winsor View Estates Wonder View HOA Woodfield Estates HOAInc. Woodhollow Homeowners Association Woodlake HOAInc. Woodlake Homeowners Association Woodland Hills Home Owners Assn. Inc. Woodlawn Heights Community Assn.Inc.(The) Woodlawn Homeowners Association Inc. Woodley Garden East1West HOA Woodley Gardens HOA Woodmont Overlook Homes Assn.Inc.(The) Woodrock Homeowners Assoc.Inc. Woodside Homeowners Association Woodside Mews HOA Inc. Woodside Park Community Assoc.Inc. Woodside Park HOA Inc. Woodside Station HOA Inc. Woodside Towne Community Association Woodside Way Community AssociationInc. 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"paghat" wrote in message ... In article , "Vox Humana" wrote: "Julia Green" wrote in message ... I believe Vox had said that there were hundreds in one *neighborhood. That's an exaggeration. No. Technically, someone else said that there were hundreds in a community. I pointed out that there were over 800 in Montgomery county. Maybe that county is huge and 800 HOAs are so dispersed that they wouldn't be very close to each other. I don't know. I doubt that there are 800 towns in my county. I would suspect that the 800 associations are clustered and not evenly dispersed. There are over 40 million people living in about 200,000 communities governed by HOAs. From that standpoint, Montgomery County, MD would have a disproportionate number of these communities as compared with the nation as a whole. Interesting that your method of argument is to tell a lie, have the lie corrected, then tell it again. I've noticed a lot of rightwingers do that -- just keep repeating the same lie over & over & over no matter how often it is corrected. You make me laugh out loud. I guess I am saying the same thing about your claim that HOAs exist for to enforce segregation. Despite the fact that I provided both the federal and California state laws that specifically prohibit HOAs from discriminating, you keep yammering on as if you know what you are talking about, as if the more you claim they discriminate, the more it will be true. I'm sure that Clearchannel has a talk show slot with your name on it. Maybe you can team up with Dr. Laura. |
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wrote in message ... it was a metal fence and they dont consider a metal fence to be decorative. Ingrid Ok. I understand what you are saying. The interesting thing is that had your mother lived in a typical HOA controlled development, she would have needed approval for any fence. When she submitted her application for the fence they would have denied the fence because it didn't meet the standards. That would have saved her a lot of problems. I'm still not clear if you think that all zoning regulations should be abolished? |
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"Vox Humana" wrote in message I see that here, but not to the extent that is in a highly developed area like the DC suburbs. I don't understand your point--sorry. Could you rephrase? |
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On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 09:24:32 -0700, (paghat)
wrote: 200 the previous liar ata girl, couldn't find the numbers so I'm a liar....whatever! |
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On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 12:53:05 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:
t? Wondering what Pag's real agenda is, Bob Pumping her vile shit out so she doesn't have to smell it as it rots inside of her. |
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paghat wrote:
In article , zxcvbob wrote: paghat wrote: [huge snip] Clearly you people have got to be stopped! [snipped a *bunch* more] "You people"? Isn't that a code word for exactly the same kind of segregation you're ranting about? Wondering what Pag's real agenda is, Bob If you're one of those loons worried I'm out to see the demise of all white people, stop worryin', that wouldn't be so good for my white ass either. -paghat I actually agree with you that HOA's have more potential for abuse than for good; with people signing away properties rights that they don't think they'll need, then the situation changes and they are screwed. But your ranting about whitey using HOA's to keep jews and ******s out are ridiculous. But I think I've at least figured out where you're coming from. You've got the [Middle Class Liberal] "Well Intentioned Blues." (I wonder if anyone recognizes the obscure musical reference.) Best regards, :-) Bob -- "I wish I was a Negro, with lots of Negro soul, So I could stay true to my ethnic group and still play rock 'n' roll..." |
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"Julia Green" wrote in message ... "Vox Humana" wrote in message I see that here, but not to the extent that is in a highly developed area like the DC suburbs. I don't understand your point--sorry. Could you rephrase? You said: "Each little neighborhood in M.V. has its own little HOA and there are a ton of little neighborhoods in M.V." I see some areas where I live like that. There is an area with several neighborhoods and each has a HOA. This is not the rule however. What is more common here is for a mixture of neighborhoods. Some have HOAs and some don't. |
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"Vox Humana" wrote in message You said: "Each little neighborhood in M.V. has its own little HOA and there are a ton of little neighborhoods in M.V." I see some areas where I live like that. There is an area with several neighborhoods and each has a HOA. This is not the rule however. What is more common here is for a mixture of neighborhoods. Some have HOAs and some don't. Oh, right. Montgomery Village is a very large planned community (sort of like the nearby Columbia, MD, the granddaddy of planned communities) and so planning and control is their thing. HOAs are a given for every neighborhood in M.V. |
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In article ,
Julia Green wrote: "Vox Humana" wrote in message You said: "Each little neighborhood in M.V. has its own little HOA and there are a ton of little neighborhoods in M.V." I see some areas where I live like that. There is an area with several neighborhoods and each has a HOA. This is not the rule however. What is more common here is for a mixture of neighborhoods. Some have HOAs and some don't. Oh, right. Montgomery Village is a very large planned community (sort of like the nearby Columbia, MD, the granddaddy of planned communities) and so planning and control is their thing. HOAs are a given for every neighborhood in M.V. Heh. That reminds me of one of my favorite Montgomery Village stories. I own a Ford Ranger pickup with a shell over the bed. One night I went to a party in MV which lasted well into the night. A week or so later, I got a very nasty letter from some homeowners association nazi telling me that it was against homeowners association rules for pickups to be parked in the area at night, and if they caught me there again they would have me ticketed and towed. Of course, the SUVs were fine, as were the junker sedans. I couldn't help but wonder how they would have handled a Chevy Avalanche. It's OK -- no it's not -- it's OK -- no it's not. The HOA nazi must be having a tizzy fit. billo |
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"Bill Oliver" wrote in message Heh. That reminds me of one of my favorite Montgomery Village stories. I own a Ford Ranger pickup with a shell over the bed. One night I went to a party in MV which lasted well into the night. A week or so later, I got a very nasty letter from some homeowners association nazi telling me that it was against homeowners association rules for pickups to be parked in the area at night, and if they caught me there again they would have me ticketed and towed. Of course, the SUVs were fine, as were the junker sedans. I couldn't help but wonder how they would have handled a Chevy Avalanche. It's OK -- no it's not -- it's OK -- no it's not. The HOA nazi must be having a tizzy fit. God, that is SO like them! As I've said before, there are some people in SERIOUS need of getting a life! The Chevy Avalanche will probably drive some of those NANs to a nervous breakdown bg. |
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Oh loady loady, it's even worse than I've been saying. Here's a bad one
for sure, & alas it applies FEDERALLY: In Meyer vs Holy, the Supreme Court made a unanimous & unfortunate clarification regarding HOA discrimination against minorities. The Supreme Court found that damages cannot be recovered from any officer or owner within a HOA whose agents or volunteers are in conflict with the Fair Housing Act refusing as a matter of policy to sell to Jews, blacks, or other minorities. Despite efforts of recent legislation especially in California & Florida & in a few other places to make the Fair Housing Act apply to HOAs, a case finally makes it to the Supreme Court & they once again confirm methods by which HOAs to be now what they have always been in the past, racist & discriminatory! One might sue to change the language of a charter or covenant, without effecting deeds. Only if a corporate officer personally involves himself in the discrimination is there even a slim chance of prosecution -- any agent or volunteer acting for the HOA, by contrast, is now protected against litigation. So the racist status quo wins again! The government gets to boast about having the Fair Housing Act, but honky rednecks in their HOA enclaves can go on doing as they please. The Supreme Court decision overturned a federal appeals court ruling that applied the full letter of the Fair Housing Act even to HOAs. Civil Rights inroads again reversed by conservatives! -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
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In article , "Julia Green"
wrote: "Vox Humana" wrote in message You said: "Each little neighborhood in M.V. has its own little HOA and there are a ton of little neighborhoods in M.V." I see some areas where I live like that. There is an area with several neighborhoods and each has a HOA. This is not the rule however. What is more common here is for a mixture of neighborhoods. Some have HOAs and some don't. Oh, right. Montgomery Village is a very large planned community (sort of like the nearby Columbia, MD, the granddaddy of planned communities) and so planning and control is their thing. HOAs are a given for every neighborhood in M.V. As it turns out, Montgomery Village has far fewer actual Homeowner Associations than Vox has invented for the area, & virtually nothing she's posted in this thread about Montgomery has much of truth to it. Some may really not know what a HOA is & seriously but wrongly believed a Home Corporation is the same thing; but I think Vox knows better -- having posted a link to 800 alleged HOAs in Virginia, Washington D.C., & Maryland (most of which weren't even HOAs), claiming these far-ranging condo, townhouse, & corporate-run apartments & houses (many of them rentals) were all local to Montomery Village HOAs -- well, had she made that "error" as just one more of her persistant & amazing errors of fact by "mere" mistake, she would have apologized for having unintentionally misled (as Tom halfheartedly & backhandedly apologized for not knowing what he was talking about); but for Vox it seems to have been a conscious lie reinforced by further lying, including the inference that Montgomery Village per se has a "ton" of little neighborhoods all run by HOAs. Unless she means even one condo easily weighs more than a ton, then she's just lying, though from a liar's point of view saying "tons of" is so non-specific she can make up anything at random thereafter, & pretend it's not EXACTLY a lie. Here's the truth, taken from the Montogmery Village Homes Corp, an umbrella organization of incorporated housing districts, few of which are run by HOAs per se. Legally these are mostly Homes Corporations though frequently misnomered Homeowners Associations, & though on "lists of hundreds" across multi-counties & multi-cities or multi-states these are included alongside actual HOAs, they are vastly different as legal entities. Even including them, one gets dozens rather than hundreds of incorporated residential entites in a given region, far fewer than Vox says, & in Montogery Village per se, it turns out that these incorporated neighborhoods are primary townhouses often associated with high-density low-quality housing, are widely regarded as pretty ****-poor places to live unless you're too old to go outside, young & newly married with a kid & can't afford better, or simply don't have the stamina or good taste to find a better place to live. To pump up Vox's dream-vision of a world ruled by hundreds of HOAs all over town, she has included Condominium Associations few of which are incoporated as "neighborhoods" but only as business entitites; she includes combination rental & buyer housing projects & townhouses which are incorporated as BUSINESSES not as neighborhoods & are more accurately called Home Corporations, not Homeowner Associations, because they're rarely run by the owners (& renters) but are run by the developers or by a big company that specializes in orchestrating garbage pick-up & enforcing covenants for the developers rather than for the inhabitants of the apartment houses & homes. Many homeowners & renters don't even know they live within a Home Corporation area, the Corporation impinges on property rights much less noticeably than do HOAs, as there are no HOA activists to harrass & terrorize whoever has a basketball hoop or too tall of a hedge or for being Malaysian instead of white. Home Corporations do get unreasonable at times but not generally over race & religion, more on the same bases that landlords are mostly assholes or they wouldn't even WANT control of other peoples' living spaces. The number of neighborhoods actually incorporated to be governed by Homeowners Associations per se are relatively few, & a huge number of those date to the late 1950s & early 1960s in look-alike tickytacky housing projects aimed at selling to families that qualified for GI homeloans, in outlying areas at the time completely open to cheap new development, & those which were established to be HOA run were indeed invariably white only. Older neighborhoods that weren't built explicitly to be HOA operated CANNOT be & never are retroactively incorporated to be run by HOAs, but many have instead Neighborhood Associations that are not incorporated & are not legally self-governing entities & usually don't harrass each other in any manner unless you run a crackhouse. A volunteer in a Neighborhood Association would likely come by once or twice a month to mow that arthritic old black woman's lawn since she cannot afford to hire it done, whereas a HOA wouldn't let her live there in the first place, & if she didn't get out of her sickbed & mow the lawn, they'd categorize her as a miscreant & threaten & fine her until she has a heart attack & they're finally free of her. In the Home Corporations that are more common than HOAs in Montgomery Village, there are covenants that address care of the house & yard, as defined on the deed itself rather than by any charter or continuously changing HOA stormtrooper list of commandments. This means a disgruntled neighbor can report their dislike of an unmowed lawn to the Corporate headquarters, not to a HOA, & the business corporation may correct the matter if they deem it serious enough. Deed covenants cannot have enforcible restrictions on race, age, or religion the way incorporated HOAs can. Maryland legislation permits Home Corporations to police, fine & enforce the changeless deed covenants, but they are not empowered to be menaces to the homeowners the way HOAs so easily turn into menaces toward each other & especially against minorities. So when speaking of the racist institution of HOAs one cannot include Condominium Associations that are not self-governing corporations, Neighborhood Associations which are not corporations at any level, & Homes Corporations. Vox has included them in order to muddle the issue & pump up the numbers & cite restrictions on Home Corporations which must adhere to Fair Housing in ways HOAs do not. An incorporated neighborhood created as a legally semi-independent self-governed housing project, & run by an actual Homeowners Association, is a product of racist agendas always preserving the option (whether or not activated) of keeping out "inappropriate" races or religions or age ranges. This cannot be done by Homes Corporations unless the developer (or corporate holder) breaks the law to do so, nor by Neighborhood Associations which are volunteers in a normal & usually much healthier ordinary neighborhood. Nor is any genuinely attractive city neighborhood with Victorians apt ever to be incorporated & HOA run, because the nicer urban neighborhoods were not often built all at one time as housing projects. HOA-run gated communities only rarely predate the Civil Rights era which is what induced the white racist movement in the first place, at a time when the spaces outside of cities were changing from farms & woodlands to sprawling suburbs because every GI was governmentally assisted in buying a home. This government-sponsored suburban explosion happened simultaneously with the Civil Rights movement. The end result was whites abandoning the inner city, but even black GIs found they could not buy houses in the 'burbs due to a combination of redlining & HOA filtering mechanisms & so on, thus inner city neighborhoods in larger cities became black neighborhoods, & incorporated housing projects in the hinterlands developed from the ground-up as all-white. Older self-segregated white communities could sustain their infamy through covenants & did not require incorporation, but as those covenants by stages became decreasingly enforcible under law, the incorporated HOAs arose to take their place so that honkies could still discriminate with abandon. This was also the beginning of the "two car family" (make that "two car white family") because when whites self-segregated to the suburbs they actually left the better neighborhods to the minorities, & whites were virtual exiles in shitland & without two cars whoever stayed home (usually the mom) was a prisoner for half of each day. Some of the 1950s HOA neighborhoods are today extremely deteriorated, incorporation has been abandoned, & one finds that the old racist neighborhoods are today owned by a high percentage immigrants who can't as yet afford better housing. But even when those neighborhoods were brand new, they weren't much to boast of, unless you were a Bob Dobbs worshipper. Here is an absolute number: INCLUDING Home Corporations, limited equity coops, & Condo Associations along with actual HOA neighborhoods, there are a total of 230,000 of these TOTAL in the continental United States, according to the Community Association Lawletter, Summer 2002. The Lawletter notes that it is because of these incorporated enclaves that increasing numbers of neighbor battles are ending up in courts -- HOAs increase rather than decrease neighbor wars that require civil court & criminal proceedings to sort out. But note the 230,000 numer includes single-building condo associations & townhouses, rentals as well as owner-based corporations, & other kinds of legal neighborhood entitites. The far fewer number of actual neighborhoods of single family dwellings I could not find, & the smaller still percentage of those which are incorporated to be self-governed by HOAs rather than from outside the neighborhood by developer corporations also not available. The ones that have racist privileges under law are the Coops (which are actually very few in number & some regions have none at all) & the incorporated self-governing HOAs. The other categories do not have racist options or privileges permitted under law. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
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Here are some recent examples of typical conflicts between HOAs &
individual members within the HOA government; these show how ignorant & churlish HOAs are on average. Some of these cases are more crazy-ass as than others, but none are 100% reasonable either. I've not picked out the cases that make HOAs look the stupidest -- they are NEVER in court for reasons other than those which are churlish & picky & vendetta-driven suing over tiny things. These cases really are representative of how far these nutball HOAs will pursue things of little or no real consequence or value. The cases really do "at biggest" amount to hating someone's basketball hoop or television antenna, or even dumber shit. What HOAs need is a way of fining jerkwad HOA activists who harrass their neighbors to the point of dragging them into courtrooms over nothin'. Village of Pheasant Run Homeowners Association v. Kasto in Texas took one of their homeowners to court for violating architectural restrictions AND WON. What was Kasto's courtroom-worthy crime? Painted the front door blue! Seems the HOA had an enforceable regulation requiring written permission to paint your house under any circumstance whatsoever, in part or in whole, a good color or a bad color. Without written permission, they can punish you. And will. Turudic v. Susan Estates Homeowners Association in Oregon, the HOA tried to define what was an appropriate pet, banning certain breeds of dogs for instance. So one of their members had two tame cougars. Well ha ha, the court said HOAs cannot pass rules against pets. (The State could, but hasn't.) I recommend everyone annoyed with their dumbass totalitarian HOA get themselves a really big wild animal for a pet! That'll fix those racist wouldbe stormtrooping arseholes. Here's a weird one. A bill was introduced into the into the Maryland House Committee that would permit individuals within HOA districts to put up the American flag if they wanted (some HOAs ban flag displays!). The legislation, however, was rejected, so in Maryland still, if you want to put a removable flag on the front of your house for the 4th of July, Labor Day, Memorial Day, D-Day, or because Bushy is waging war, for any reason whatsoever -- the HOA can enforce their rule saying you can't. This is a weird one to me because HOAs are usually such conservative racist entities one would expect them to encourage even the Confederate flag. I live in a military town, where the idea of banning the American flag is truly alien! So even conservative patriots aren't safe from HOA assholiness. A new ammendment to the Maryland Condominium Act permits incorporated housing entities to pass new regulations without a quorum. Now that one crazy **** who is trying to rule everyone else's life doesn't have to have ANYone agree with him -- he just has to discourage you from showing up at the meeting in which he decides it's from now on illegal for you to grow tomatos. Chestnut Real Estate Partnership v. Huber. In an incorporated retirement community someone had the audacity of putting up a garden shed. The covenant said no structures could be built -- none, not even a small one for some tools. The court upheld the incorporated partnership's regulation & furthermore transferred to the retiree all court costs -- so Huber had to get rid of his garden shed AND pay the corporation attorneys $27,000. The judge said it was not necessary to prove any harm or injury or damage or to show that the garden shed was in any way inappropriate other than the Huber in buying into the enclave had agreed to build no buildings. Note at least this wasn't a HOA per se, it was one of the other types of legal entities Vox has kept miscontruing as HOAs -- but I couldn't resist including this example of the amazing injustice successfully executed even by the lesser-empowered corporations. In Woods Homeowners Association v. Muravchik, the HOA sued because a member was in violation of a ban against having signs anywhere on any property. In this insane case the "sign" was a self-employed member's company logo on the side of his van. Parking the van in his own driveway constituted a "sign" on his property. Case upheld! Curiously the HOA had neglected to ban signs on the street, so until they managed to add another draconian regulation, poor Muravchik (the court pointed out) could park on the street so long as he did not violate city ordinances (the city did also ban signs on the street, but unlike the crazyass HOA did not include a company logo on a van as a "sign.") The HOA was royally cheezed off that they could only stop him from parking on his own property. In Craninger v. Overbrook at Flower Hill Homeowners Association, the HOA destroyed the private property of Craninger (a basketball hoop) because he had placed it in an area used by children as a playground, but basketball hoops were banned on HOA common property. The court held that the HOA did have the legal right to keep children from playing basketball in the playground area, but did not have the right to destroy private property, so made the HOA pay Craninger $320 so he could buy a replacement which, however, since it could only be used on his own tarmak, was of no use to the neighborhood children who had used the one the HOA destroyed, those small-minded vicious & par-for-the-course Voxamatic types! In Montgomery Village Foundation v. Ellis, a Home Association (not a Homeowners Association however) sought to enforce in the courts a regulation banning private trucks. Montgomery Village Foundation is an enforcing agency serving a number of Homeowner & Home Associations & Condo Associations, & do not do this unless members of the neighborhood involved insist. But once committed, they didn't care if the regulation was nonsensical. The covenants did permit vans, Winebagos, huge honking-ass utility vehicles -- but all Ellis had was a small pick-up truck. The court found that the regulation was stupid & unenforceable since giant RVs were permitted, & Ellis's tiny pick-up was a new & well-kept & on no rational basis of any harm to anyone. The courts' decision, however, didn't mean incorporated housing areas couldn't ban EVERYthing bigger than a Lovebug &make EVERYone get rid of their vehicles, but only going after Ellis's little pick-up was not going to be allowed. In the FCC case of "The Matter of Victor Frankfurt," in Illinois, a Townhouse Association sued to force Victor to remove his television antenna, on the trumped up basis of it violating a safety regulation of the Association. This was one of "Take your antenna down or we'll sue you!" cases that made it to the FCC, another in Arizona regarding a fixed signal antenna for wireless internest access. In both cases the Associations were informed their regulations in no wise effectively addressed safety issues, & if the antennas were in FCC compliance, the Association could not force an antenna to be removed. In Paytas v. Edgewood Community Association, an intransegent Home Association would not stop demanding Paytas remove a stationary basketball hoop from his property. Paytas was able to document 28 cases of basketball hoops in the neighborhood that no one complained about. The court found there was no physical reason to distinguish between the one which was installed on a pole stuck in the ground, from the others which were mounted on weighted stands, & yet another Basketball Hoop War was found to be the result exclusively of HOA unreasonableness & in this case a very unwise attempt at selective enforcement. The court disapproved of the selective enforcement, however, & if the unreasonableness had been evenly applied to everyone, they could've gotten away with it. In Fairland Park Homeowners Association v. Gebreyese, a homeowner installed a skylight which so damaged the neighborhood it took three years for anyone to even notice. Then the HOA decided the skylight violated architectural restrictions & took Gebreyese to the county commission. The Commission concuded that the HOA did have the right to limit skylights but since it took them three years to even notice, Gebreyese had three years to either remove the skylights or move them to the back of the house where HOA gripers couldn't see them. Inverness Forest Association, Inc. v. Notter. Notter replaced four of her windows with better ones, but failed to get written permission from the HOA. Though there was nothing wrong with the new windows, the HOA had protocol to uphold, & took it to the Mongomery county commission, which ruled that sure enough, that was HOA protocol, & Notter had to restore the inferior windows. In DčAoust v. Quince Haven Homeowners Association, the HOA's ban on architectural changes was extended to include window decorating that looked like stained glass. Since the decoration was visible from the street it was not permitted. The Mongomery County Commission again concluded the HOA could indeed restrict window decorations in someone's private residence! By contrast, in Vojciech Fizyta v. Quince Haven Homeowners Association, the HOA's attempt to restrict decorations inside a homeowner's house, but which were not visible from the street, was deemed unenforcible. -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
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"paghat" wrote in message but for Vox it seems to have been a conscious lie reinforced by further lying, including the inference that Montgomery Village per se has a "ton" of little neighborhoods all run by HOAs. Unless she means even one condo easily weighs more than a ton, then she's just lying, though from a liar's point of view saying "tons of" is so non-specific she can make up anything at random thereafter, & pretend it's not EXACTLY a lie. I referred to "a ton" of little neighborhoods. I confess I was not distinguishing between HOAs and developer corporations. When I lived there, most of the condo and townhouse neighborhoods were mixed between owned and rented. I just assumed they were all run by HOAs. When we lived in a neighborhood of single-family colonials, we had neighbors who seemed to delight in, as I said, skulking around, looking for violations. |
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paghat wrote: In Montgomery Village Foundation v. Ellis, a Home Association (not a Homeowners Association however) sought to enforce in the courts a regulation banning private trucks. Montgomery Village Foundation is an enforcing agency serving a number of Homeowner & Home Associations & Condo Associations, & do not do this unless members of the neighborhood involved insist. But once committed, they didn't care if the regulation was nonsensical. The covenants did permit vans, Winebagos, huge honking-ass utility vehicles -- but all Ellis had was a small pick-up truck. The court found that the regulation was stupid & unenforceable since giant RVs were permitted, & Ellis's tiny pick-up was a new & well-kept & on no rational basis of any harm to anyone. The courts' decision, however, didn't mean incorporated housing areas couldn't ban EVERYthing bigger than a Lovebug &make EVERYone get rid of their vehicles, but only going after Ellis's little pick-up was not going to be allowed. No kidding. So they were just faking it when they sent me that nasty letter? Sons of bitches. I never went to another party there. billo |
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I find there is a big difference between zoning laws for health and security and some
city politicians deciding they are going to force their idea of esthetics down the throat of the whole damn city. So they decide what colors are acceptable in house paint, what flowers are acceptable, what material and color of fence is acceptable, etc. etc. Ingrid "Vox Humana" wrote: I'm still not clear if you think that all zoning regulations should be abolished? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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wrote in message ... I find there is a big difference between zoning laws for health and security and some city politicians deciding they are going to force their idea of esthetics down the throat of the whole damn city. So they decide what colors are acceptable in house paint, what flowers are acceptable, what material and color of fence is acceptable, etc. etc. Ingrid As someone said, I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:42:02 GMT, "Vox Humana" wrote:
wrote in message ... I find there is a big difference between zoning laws for health and security and some city politicians deciding they are going to force their idea of esthetics down the throat of the whole damn city. So they decide what colors are acceptable in house paint, what flowers are acceptable, what material and color of fence is acceptable, etc. etc. Ingrid As someone said, I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this. Actually, to add my final addition to this discussion, I agree with what Ingrid is saying. The part I disagree with is where people move into a community where they are fully aware there is an architectural board of directors who have put in place certain deed restrictions and which are upheld in civil court, yet, people move in and bitch about it later. That, is not ever going to change. I say, move out to the country or to a larger parcel of land where there are no restrictions and paint your house mood ring blue for all I give a shit. The case with Ingrids mother is simply disgusting. She's been there for many decades and to force her into anything, regardless what it is, is simply awful. |
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Cereoid-UR12yo wrote:
The real problem is neighbors not being good neighbors. If one was willing to help out a fellow neighbor by volunteering to mow their lawn while they have their own mowers out, the neighborhood would be a more peaceful and harmonious place. Amen! I have a single female living next to me whose job takes her out of town a lot ... so much so that her back lawn (fertilized with pit bull poop) had gone well past 18" and her front yard was well over 12". When I finally got a chance to talk to her I pointed out that her yard looked like the house was abandoned and that I would be willing to mow the lawn in exchange for the clippings in order to keep from living next to a house that looked abandoned. She looked distressed for a moment, mentioned that she had hired some men to mow the lawn who hadn't yet showed up, and then realized that I was offering her a way out of her lawn problem. She then objected that the dog would be a problem. At that, I called her dog away from her side to mine. The dog sat down against the fence and waited for her ear-scratch. I've been feeding that hound treats since it was a puppy. There aint no way I'm going to have a hostile pit bull just a short chain link fence away. I slap-box that dog and she has never done anything more than take my hand in her mouth nor will she ... she has no one else to play with. Ditto for the German Shepherd on the other side of my yard. Unfortunately, its owner realized what I was doing and has kept the dog inside for the past several months so now the dog and I are not on as good of terms as previously. Again ... that's too big of a dog to have just a short fence away. Poops D-cell batteries, too and the owner, a cop, does a lousy job of keeping the manure up. Bill -- Zone 5b (Detroit, MI) I do not post my address to news groups. |
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paghat wrote:
Oh loady loady, it's even worse than I've been saying. Here's a bad one for sure, & alas it applies FEDERALLY: In Meyer vs Holy, the Supreme Court made a unanimous & unfortunate clarification regarding HOA discrimination against minorities. The Supreme Court found that damages cannot be recovered from any officer or owner within a HOA whose agents or volunteers are in conflict with the Fair Housing Act refusing as a matter of policy to sell to Jews, blacks, or other minorities. The Supreme Court decision overturned a federal appeals court ruling that applied the full letter of the Fair Housing Act even to HOAs. Civil Rights inroads again reversed by conservatives! -paghat the ratgirl Yeah ... and they also discriminate against people making less than $11,000! Give it a break ... you are as much in need of a life as the HOA Nazis. A couple of thoughts: you want to compel people to live with other people whom they are not comfortable being around. I live, by choice, in a mixed-race neighborhood. Some from India / Pakistan, many blacks, a smattering of whites. No Orientals that I can tell ... but that reflects both a paucity of Orientals in Detroit and their desire to live in upscale communities ... including the gated ones. I am, in fact, a caucasian man married to a black woman in a very solid marriage. However, I have a deep scar in the back of my left leg where a group of younger black co-workers tried to cripple me ... and nearly succeeded. HR where I work was totally un-helpful (afraid to accuse a black person of hateful acts) when, after healing from the first injury I was returned TO THE SAME WORKGROUP and the process of setting me up for the injury was begun again. I had to quit a good job to keep from being crippled. I got my wake up call when the guy doing the stitching on my leg the first time told me that, had the missing muscle been gouged out a quarter of an inch deeper or a half an inch lower, I would have forever lost the use of that foot. Forever? Because my skin is too pale? I woke up this color just the same as blacks wake up one morning and realize that their skin is dark. Racism cuts both ways. Get used to it. Some people just don't like other people for a variety of reasons and excuses including NO reason, NO excuse. That doesn't make it right ... but you'd best get adjusted to it. I give such people, black or white, wide berth. There is nothing I need from them, nothing I wish them to have from me. With one exception, I do not socialize with the blacks at work because they live their lives very differently from the way I live mine or else because they choose not to spend their social time with ME. They have their lives, I have mine. Mine includes gardening and a deeply spiritual life. Theirs do not. That I know of, two have gardens; two others take spiritual matters seriously. One is studying the Bible with me and joins me in religious services. Then again, there are NO whites from work that I socialize with. Get off your soapbox. You have a right to live with whomever is agreeable to living with you and the right to exclude those with whom you are uncomfortable. However, you do not have the freedom to excercise your rights without also granting the exact same rights to others. Moreover, you do not have the right to impose your decisions about who / what is acceptable on others. Those who chose to live in HOA developments are no more to be ridiculed than those who chose to live as you do. Live your life (pretty much) as you please. Allow others to do the same. Bill -- Zone 5b (Detroit, MI) I do not post my address to news groups. |
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paghat wrote:
Turudic v. Susan Estates Homeowners Association in Oregon, the HOA tried to define what was an appropriate pet, banning certain breeds of dogs for instance. So one of their members had two tame cougars. Well ha ha, the court said HOAs cannot pass rules against pets. (The State could, but hasn't.) I recommend everyone annoyed with their dumbass totalitarian HOA get themselves a really big wild animal for a pet! That'll fix those racist wouldbe stormtrooping arseholes. I fail to see the connection between an animal regulation and racism. Nor do I see the connection between an animal regulation and a Storm Trooper or, for that matter, between an animal regulation and a body part. You are as close-minded as the people you castigate. The next time you want to "fix" an "arsehole", stop by the mirror for a minute. -- Zone 5b (Detroit, MI) I do not post my address to news groups. |
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The case with Ingrids mother is simply disgusting. She's been there for many decades and to force her into anything, regardless what it is, is simply awful. I can't see how anyone can force you to change something that was legal when you did it. If 20 years ago you painted your house red, and it was legal then, no one can come along and say it is now illegal to have red paint. You have a "grandfather right" with respect to paint color.(constitutional prohibition of ex post facto laws?) |
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On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:33:53 -0700 in
, "Darwin Vander Stelt" graced the world with this thought: The case with Ingrids mother is simply disgusting. She's been there for many decades and to force her into anything, regardless what it is, is simply awful. I can't see how anyone can force you to change something that was legal when you did it. If 20 years ago you painted your house red, and it was legal then, no one can come along and say it is now illegal to have red paint. You have a "grandfather right" with respect to paint color.(constitutional prohibition of ex post facto laws?) .....but you won't be able to repaint it red... |
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On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:52:59 GMT, belly wrote:
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:33:53 -0700 in , "Darwin Vander Stelt" graced the world with this thought: The case with Ingrids mother is simply disgusting. She's been there for many decades and to force her into anything, regardless what it is, is simply awful. I can't see how anyone can force you to change something that was legal when you did it. If 20 years ago you painted your house red, and it was legal then, no one can come along and say it is now illegal to have red paint. You have a "grandfather right" with respect to paint color.(constitutional prohibition of ex post facto laws?) ....but you won't be able to repaint it red... And they can then get you with one of those "run-down" laws. :/ |
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