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Cereoid-UR12yo 30-05-2003 04:10 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
So were these cops master gardeners too?

God help anyone who grows ornamental grasses!! You could get a life
sentence!!!!

If the cops had too much free time on their hands, they should have been
spending it trying to track down real criminals instead of trying to force
their sterile sense of aesthetics on the neighborhood. Then again, gardeners
rarely shoot at them (unless they get them really ****ed off!!). Probably
next you will hear some story about a cop that shot and killed someone who
was coming toward them with a weed wacker and claiming it was self
defense!!!! You can never be to careful when dealing with these criminal
masterminds!!!


Dave Allyn (Dave Allyn) wrote in message
...
This reminds me of a neighbor just up the block: He got a notice
from the town basically stating that if he didn't keep his grass less
than 12 inches, he was going to be fined. Let me note that he has an
immacculate lawn. no weeds, mows once a week to keep it perfect,
etc... Needless to say he was abit upset. he called the town, and
asked what was the deal, and where did they see grass to be cut? they
looked up his address, and said the cops say tall grass on the north
side of his garage.

" Tell then they are F***'n Idiots!!! those are my day lillys!!!"
click



This discussion is very pertinent to me right now. I have a brand new bed
(my 80 year old neighbor didn't recognize the difference between roundup

and
something specific for dandelions and killed off most of my parking
strip.....LOL). So in the dead sod I planted giant grasses last fall, and
bulbs, and early this spring planted (by seed) rows of tall and short
wildflowers (tall in the center, short at the edges) Things like

nemophila,
linaria, poppies, california poppies, flax, bachelor buttons, dame's

rocket,
annual phlox, lupines, larkspur, foam flower, sweet alyssum, etc.
Unfortunately, the only ones I recognize for sure, having grown them

before,
are poppies, california poppies, alyssum, and linaria.For a long time, I
thought I would let everything grow and sort it all out later, but of

course
there's lots of grass coming up, as well as dandelions, and some other
familar weeds of this area. (Most of the wildflower seeds also sprouted).

My
worst mistake was thinking that a certain spade-shaped leaf was something
precious, but this past week, it has started to resemble something I
recognized very well - BINDWEED!. Fortunately, all in the seedling stage,

so
easy to remove. I will report on it as an experiment, in the middle and

at
the end of the summer. It occured to me that most of these things will be
bloomed out at the end of July, so I have planted some four-oclocks,

cosmos,
and lavatera to take over at the end of the summer.
I'm sure my neighbors think I'm nuts as I stand on the street or
sidewalk looking into this bed of what looks like a derelict waste garden
intently, then reach down and pluck out a single plant here or there. I'm
hoping that in 2 or 3 weeks, they will understand better what I was up

to.





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Frogleg 30-05-2003 04:10 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
On Fri, 30 May 2003 10:03:27 GMT, "Cereoid-UR12yo"
wrote:

So were these cops master gardeners too?

God help anyone who grows ornamental grasses!! You could get a life
sentence!!!!

If the cops had too much free time on their hands, they should have been
spending it trying to track down real criminals instead of trying to force
their sterile sense of aesthetics on the neighborhood. Then again, gardeners
rarely shoot at them (unless they get them really ****ed off!!). Probably
next you will hear some story about a cop that shot and killed someone who
was coming toward them with a weed wacker and claiming it was self
defense!!!! You can never be to careful when dealing with these criminal
masterminds!!!


The "weed police" in my town are part of the "codes & compliance"
department, not actual cops. I doubt many are master gardeners, and
the mistake about daylily foliage is a funny story. Most municiple
codes relating to plant life are meant to prevent/reduce rampant
overgrowth of weeds and plants that are a recognized nuisance to
others. I very much doubt a carefully maintained landscape that
included ornamental grasses would arouse any complaint. In fact,
whether the basis is fire danger or aesthetics, local ordinances here
ban uncontrolled weed/grass growth over 8 or 12" tall, which means one
might possibly be perfectly safe in maintaining a "lawn" of
dandelions! Not popular, to be sure, but not illegal.

Beware, however, the term "eyesore." My goodness, there are a lot of
people with sensitive eyes. From clotheslines to large (US) flags to
trucks on the street, some are offended by anything that doesn't match
their decor. I had a *real* cop come to my door one day about my
harboring a "derelict" car in my driveway. I hope my licensed,
inspected, registered, insured, and daily-driven elderly VW didn't
hear this canard.


zxcvbob 30-05-2003 04:10 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
Frogleg wrote:

Beware, however, the term "eyesore." My goodness, there are a lot of
people with sensitive eyes. From clotheslines to large (US) flags to
trucks on the street, some are offended by anything that doesn't match
their decor. I had a *real* cop come to my door one day about my
harboring a "derelict" car in my driveway. I hope my licensed,
inspected, registered, insured, and daily-driven elderly VW didn't
hear this canard.


That's enough to make one want to buy a *real* p.o.s. vehicle for $50 and
park it out front -- with current license, of course. Just to **** people
off who obviously enjoy being ****ed off.

At least where I live, if the vehicle has current plates, there's nothing
they can do about it if it's on your property. If it's parked on the
street is has to be moved every 12 hours; never enforced, but it could be
if the neighbors complain.

Best regards,
Bob






[email protected] 30-05-2003 04:10 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
lazy cop didnt call in the license number. we have an old beater too. last time it
was hit it was totaled. but my DH works at local high school and the car has already
been vandalized so why would we want a better car. school is only 1 mile away going
to take another year to put it over 200K which is what we are waiting for... LOL.
Ingrid

I had a *real* cop come to my door one day about my
harboring a "derelict" car in my driveway. I hope my licensed,
inspected, registered, insured, and daily-driven elderly VW didn't
hear this canard.




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Dianna Visek 30-05-2003 08:33 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
Our town was in the process of reworking its "nuisance vegetation"
ordinance. The first draft outlawed all plants that had any parts
poisonous or injurious to humans or animals. We would have been left
with nothing but lettuce!

Regards, Dianna
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Anonymo421 30-05-2003 09:08 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
From: (Dianna Visek)
Date: 5/31/2003 12:29 AM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:

Our town was in the process of reworking its "nuisance vegetation"
ordinance. The first draft outlawed all plants that had any parts
poisonous or injurious to humans or animals. We would have been left
with nothing but lettuce!


I bet you could challenge that ordinance as being unconstitutionally vague.
After all, any ingestible portion of a plant has the potential to be injurious
as a choking hazard. For that matter, the key issue is dosage with many toxic
substances--iron is "good" for you, but too much will fry your liver, etc.

Cereoid-UR12yo 30-05-2003 09:20 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
You vote idiots into public office and that's what you get, Fluffy.

Most "nuisance vegetation" can be found on public property, especially
median strips, trying to be passed off as landscaping!

What about those trees and shrubs blocking traffic signs and with police
cars hiding behind them looking for "speeders"?


Dianna Visek wrote in message
...
Our town was in the process of reworking its "nuisance vegetation"
ordinance. The first draft outlawed all plants that had any parts
poisonous or injurious to humans or animals. We would have been left
with nothing but lettuce!

Regards, Dianna
_______________________________________________
To reply, please remove "fluff" from my address.




animaux 31-05-2003 03:44 AM

garden police gone wild?
 
Oh you'd hate me as a neighbor. My median strip has no turf and a heavy dose of
Gaura linderheimerii.


On Fri, 30 May 2003 20:17:57 GMT, "Cereoid-UR12yo" wrote:

You vote idiots into public office and that's what you get, Fluffy.

Most "nuisance vegetation" can be found on public property, especially
median strips, trying to be passed off as landscaping!

What about those trees and shrubs blocking traffic signs and with police
cars hiding behind them looking for "speeders"?


Dianna Visek wrote in message
...
Our town was in the process of reworking its "nuisance vegetation"
ordinance. The first draft outlawed all plants that had any parts
poisonous or injurious to humans or animals. We would have been left
with nothing but lettuce!

Regards, Dianna
_______________________________________________
To reply, please remove "fluff" from my address.




Repeating Decimal 31-05-2003 08:56 AM

garden police gone wild?
 
in article , Anonymo421 at
wrote on 5/30/03 12:59 PM:

From:
(Dianna Visek)
Date: 5/31/2003 12:29 AM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:

Our town was in the process of reworking its "nuisance vegetation"
ordinance. The first draft outlawed all plants that had any parts
poisonous or injurious to humans or animals. We would have been left
with nothing but lettuce!


I bet you could challenge that ordinance as being unconstitutionally vague.
After all, any ingestible portion of a plant has the potential to be injurious
as a choking hazard. For that matter, the key issue is dosage with many toxic
substances--iron is "good" for you, but too much will fry your liver, etc.


Lettuce will kill you if you try to swallow an entire head. Iron will also
kill you if it ingested in the form of an epee.

Bill


Frogleg 31-05-2003 04:44 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
On Sat, 31 May 2003 07:29:35 GMT, (Dianna
Visek) wrote:

Our town was in the process of reworking its "nuisance vegetation"
ordinance. The first draft outlawed all plants that had any parts
poisonous or injurious to humans or animals. We would have been left
with nothing but lettuce!


That's the problem with wholesale legislation and regulation. When you
leave out common sense, things become nonsensical. Anyone with an
ounce of sense knows the difference between, say, ornamental grasses
used in a landscape design, and wild grasses growing high and
unattended and drying to present a fire hazard. The line between
"it's my property and I can do what I like" and "everyone must think
the same way I do" isn't a clear one. I think *most* people would be
agreeable to making minimal effort to be in tune with previailing
norms. This growing dependence on legislation and regulation is what
bothers me. It appears to be designed to relieve all involved from
thinking at all. A can be fined because he has more than 3 dandelion
plants per square yard in an area less than 10' from a public road. B
goes without sanction because he only has a back yard full of poison
ivy. There's also a diminishing effort for neighbors to actually
*talk* to each other, instead of calling the Codes department. You
have a problem? Sic the law on 'em. Don't go over and say, "did you
know there are water restrictions here now?" or "would you mind if I
trimmed your cottonwood tree?"

DigitalVinyl 31-05-2003 04:44 PM

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Some of this stuff get done so people/govenrment can act on it, but
communal restrictions are often about making the neighborhood "look"
good. Like laws they are often written by idiots who are qualified to
deal with the subjects at hand.

When I used to park on the street outside my building I found out that
if you leave your car parked in the same spot three days the city can
seize it as abandoned...which they did. The law is meant to enable
police to get dead cars within 72 hours. However in my case I left a
ticket on the window and some prick of a cop seized the car. Probably
the same guy who would write tickets at 8:01 AM every street-cleaning
day. The law was designed for seizing regular cars but assholes abuse
them.



DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)

Dave Allyn 01-06-2003 05:08 AM

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day. The law was designed for seizing regular cars but assholes abuse
them.


(not directed at you)
let's not forget the idiots who made the laws required in the first
place. if everyone would keep the grass mowed every few weeks there
would be no need for the "nussence vegitation" laws in the first
place. if people wouldn't abandon thier cars, those laws wouldn't be
needed either.

people do not have enough creativity to make up insane laws out of
thier heads as preventive. there needs to be a case where someone
says "there should be a law againat that" and then makes one.

99% of these laws had good intentions.. and were then abused, or made
so broad where the intent was lost, and bordom of others saw and
exploited.




email: daveallyn at bwsys dot net
please respond in this NG so others
can share your wisdom as well!

Cereoid-UR12yo 01-06-2003 10:44 AM

garden police gone wild?
 
The real problem is neighbors not being good neighbors.

If one was willing to help out a fellow neighbor by volunteering to mow
their lawn while they have their own mowers out, the neighborhood would be a
more peaceful and harmonious place. Instead, the jerks are quick to call out
the "garden police" if their neighbors don't conform to their own obsessive
ideal. There are far too many self-centered vindictive assholes out there
and that is what really needs to change.

Too many laws are not well thought out and are enforced by those who go out
of their way to find ways to abuse them.

So called "neighborhood improvement organizations" are the biggest offenders
for making up arbitrary rules and using them to harass those who they don't
like. Those people really need to "get a life".


Dave Allyn (Dave Allyn) wrote in message
...
day. The law was designed for seizing regular cars but assholes abuse
them.


(not directed at you)
let's not forget the idiots who made the laws required in the first
place. if everyone would keep the grass mowed every few weeks there
would be no need for the "nussence vegitation" laws in the first
place. if people wouldn't abandon thier cars, those laws wouldn't be
needed either.

people do not have enough creativity to make up insane laws out of
thier heads as preventive. there needs to be a case where someone
says "there should be a law againat that" and then makes one.

99% of these laws had good intentions.. and were then abused, or made
so broad where the intent was lost, and bordom of others saw and
exploited.




email: daveallyn at bwsys dot net
please respond in this NG so others
can share your wisdom as well!




J Kolenovsky 01-06-2003 02:08 PM

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Cereoid-UR12yo wrote:
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The real problem is neighbors not being good neighbors.


People have gotten away from going to the other person and discussing
one-on-one the problem at hand.
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animaux 01-06-2003 04:20 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 08:33:26 -0500, J Kolenovsky wrote:


People have gotten away from going to the other person and discussing
one-on-one the problem at hand.


There is always a neighbor nobody wants to say anything to. Of course, he lives
next door to us. He shoots doves out of trees and eats them, has a stuffed wild
boar head complete with huge tusks over his fireplace and hangs dead deer from
the basketball hoop in the driveway. I reported him and he has a citation as a
result.

There are people you cannot talk to about anything.

This same neighbor trapped another neighbors' cat and dumped it many miles away.
Of course I warned the idiots who let the cat out that this would happen and it
did. When the cat owners approached the asshole neighbor he would not tell them
where he dumped the poor cat. Then the cat thief pointed his rifle at them and
threatened to shoot the man AND his wife.

So, the talking isn't always a good idea.

Cereoid-UR12yo 01-06-2003 05:20 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
That is not what we are talking about.

We am talking about neighbors making an effort to help out their elderly and
disabled neighbors who are unable to cut their grass and weeding their
flower beds by volunteering to help them by doing it for them. That would be
for the benefit of all and go a long way toward creating harmony rather than
silly feuds over nothing. People really need to make an effort toward not
being so selfish all the time and working together. Your own neighborhood
is a good place to start, don't you think so?

The law will eventually catch up with your gun happy sicko neighbor. The
kind of help he needs is the work of professionals, if you know what I mean.
He is an aberration not the norm.


animaux wrote in message
...
On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 08:33:26 -0500, J Kolenovsky

wrote:


People have gotten away from going to the other person and discussing
one-on-one the problem at hand.


There is always a neighbor nobody wants to say anything to. Of course, he

lives
next door to us. He shoots doves out of trees and eats them, has a

stuffed wild
boar head complete with huge tusks over his fireplace and hangs dead deer

from
the basketball hoop in the driveway. I reported him and he has a citation

as a
result.

There are people you cannot talk to about anything.

This same neighbor trapped another neighbors' cat and dumped it many miles

away.
Of course I warned the idiots who let the cat out that this would happen

and it
did. When the cat owners approached the asshole neighbor he would not

tell them
where he dumped the poor cat. Then the cat thief pointed his rifle at

them and
threatened to shoot the man AND his wife.

So, the talking isn't always a good idea.




Minteeleaf 01-06-2003 06:56 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
Cereoid-UR12yo wrote:

That is not what we are talking about.

We am talking about neighbors making an effort to help out their elderly and
disabled neighbors who are unable to cut their grass and weeding their
flower beds by volunteering to help them by doing it for them. That would be
for the benefit of all and go a long way toward creating harmony rather than
silly feuds over nothing. People really need to make an effort toward not
being so selfish all the time and working together. Your own neighborhood
is a good place to start, don't you think so?


I totally agree. I used to help a disabled neighbor with
bush trimming; they were very grateful. I was young &
strong then & seeing their happiness was nice. I enjoyed
deadheading their flowers & doing some weeding in their
perennial bed. They made me cookies, very kind of them.
Never thought I'd become disabled myself, but it happened.
I'm not that old either.
I can't mow a lawn very well anymore, but I can still
cook great meals. I'd be happy to trade good home-cooked
quality meals for someone to mow my lawn.

Minteeleaf, finally managed to get the lawn (3 feet tall) mowed after
nearly a month of solid rain. Maybe we should rent a sheep. :-)

Tsu Dho Nimh 01-06-2003 07:32 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
(Frogleg) wrote:

On Sat, 31 May 2003 07:29:35 GMT,
(Dianna
Visek) wrote:


Our town was in the process of reworking its "nuisance vegetation"
ordinance. The first draft outlawed all plants that had any parts
poisonous or injurious to humans or animals. We would have been left
with nothing but lettuce!


Not even lettuce ... it has opiates in it, in low concentration.


That's the problem with wholesale legislation and regulation. When you
leave out common sense, things become nonsensical. Anyone with an
ounce of sense knows the difference between, say, ornamental grasses
used in a landscape design, and wild grasses growing high and
unattended and drying to present a fire hazard. The line between
"it's my property and I can do what I like" and "everyone must think
the same way I do" isn't a clear one. I think *most* people would be
agreeable to making minimal effort to be in tune with previailing
norms. This growing dependence on legislation and regulation is what
bothers me. It appears to be designed to relieve all involved from
thinking at all. A can be fined because he has more than 3 dandelion
plants per square yard in an area less than 10' from a public road. B
goes without sanction because he only has a back yard full of poison
ivy. There's also a diminishing effort for neighbors to actually
*talk* to each other, instead of calling the Codes department. You
have a problem? Sic the law on 'em. Don't go over and say, "did you
know there are water restrictions here now?" or "would you mind if I
trimmed your cottonwood tree?"



Tsu

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To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
- Jules Henri Poincaré

Pat Meadows 01-06-2003 07:32 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 13:48:09 -0400, Minteeleaf
wrote:


I can't mow a lawn very well anymore, but I can still
cook great meals. I'd be happy to trade good home-cooked
quality meals for someone to mow my lawn.

Minteeleaf, finally managed to get the lawn (3 feet tall) mowed after
nearly a month of solid rain. Maybe we should rent a sheep. :-)


I think it would be better to start building an ark..... :)

It's going to be below freezing here tonight, I know it is.
The forecast is for 37. But the nearest weather station is
about 60 miles away, and about 800 feet lower in altitude.
Our temperatures generally run about 10 degrees colder than
the forecast.

All my tomatoes are out, in WalloWaters, but two of them
have grown out the top of the WoWs - the two Early Girls.
We will have to figure out some way to cover them. The
others will be OK.

The peppers will need to be covered too.

We'll almost need a boat to get to them, the garden is a
shallow lake with round islands (raised beds - we're using
tires this year). Sigh.

Pat



[email protected] 01-06-2003 09:48 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
hwat is an epee?
roz



[email protected] 01-06-2003 09:48 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
Why on earth does he hang dead deer from the basketball hoop? And why does
he get away with it?
Roz



zxcvbob 01-06-2003 10:08 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
wrote:
Why on earth does he hang dead deer from the basketball hoop?


Probably to clean it. (It makes more sense to me to hang it from a ceiling
joist inside the garage, but maybe he likes to make a public spectacle.)

And why does he get away with it?


Cause it's not illegal?

Best regards,
Bob


Terry M 01-06-2003 10:20 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
wrote:
hwat is an epee?
roz


An epee is a dueling sword.


Terry M
"Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are a good
person is a little like expecting the bull not to charge because
you are a vegetarian."



K. Reece 01-06-2003 11:08 PM

garden police gone wild?
 

"Tsu Dho Nimh" wrote in message
...
(Frogleg) wrote:

On Sat, 31 May 2003 07:29:35 GMT,
(Dianna
Visek) wrote:


Our town was in the process of reworking its "nuisance vegetation"
ordinance. The first draft outlawed all plants that had any parts
poisonous or injurious to humans or animals. We would have been left
with nothing but lettuce!


Not even lettuce ... it has opiates in it, in low concentration.


And it's legal too.

Kathy



Bill Oliver 01-06-2003 11:32 PM

garden police gone wild?
 
In article FztCa.45945$hd6.9249@fed1read05,
wrote:
Why on earth does he hang dead deer from the basketball hoop? And why does
he get away with it?
Roz


Probably to age it. You do know, don't you, that the steaks you buy
in the supermarket have been hanging for around 21 days? While
commercial meat houses hang beef in cool temperatures for long
periods, the tradition for game is to hang it at ambient temperature
for shorter periods. The "gamey" taste of meat harvested by hunting
rather than packaged at the supermarket is in large part due to
insufficient ageing.

billo

animaux 02-06-2003 01:08 AM

garden police gone wild?
 
Ah, yes. Then we are in perfect agreement. I do that for a woman who lost her
husband about three months ago. She doesn't know how to write a check or mow
her lawn. No comment!!!

We all plan to get her planted with some evergreen shrubs this fall. It is way
too late now to start a project like that in Texas.

I am all for helping someone who is not as well or young or whatever. I suppose
I read the thread with eyes wide shut.

V

On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:08:39 GMT, "Cereoid-UR12yo" wrote:

That is not what we are talking about.

We am talking about neighbors making an effort to help out their elderly and
disabled neighbors who are unable to cut their grass and weeding their
flower beds by volunteering to help them by doing it for them. That would be
for the benefit of all and go a long way toward creating harmony rather than
silly feuds over nothing. People really need to make an effort toward not
being so selfish all the time and working together. Your own neighborhood
is a good place to start, don't you think so?

The law will eventually catch up with your gun happy sicko neighbor. The
kind of help he needs is the work of professionals, if you know what I mean.
He is an aberration not the norm.


animaux wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 08:33:26 -0500, J Kolenovsky

wrote:


People have gotten away from going to the other person and discussing
one-on-one the problem at hand.


There is always a neighbor nobody wants to say anything to. Of course, he

lives
next door to us. He shoots doves out of trees and eats them, has a

stuffed wild
boar head complete with huge tusks over his fireplace and hangs dead deer

from
the basketball hoop in the driveway. I reported him and he has a citation

as a
result.

There are people you cannot talk to about anything.

This same neighbor trapped another neighbors' cat and dumped it many miles

away.
Of course I warned the idiots who let the cat out that this would happen

and it
did. When the cat owners approached the asshole neighbor he would not

tell them
where he dumped the poor cat. Then the cat thief pointed his rifle at

them and
threatened to shoot the man AND his wife.

So, the talking isn't always a good idea.




animaux 02-06-2003 01:08 AM

garden police gone wild?
 
On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:51:25 -0700, " wrote:

Why on earth does he hang dead deer from the basketball hoop? And why does
he get away with it?
Roz


I guess he bleeds them. He didn't get away with it. I called the police and he
was given a ticket. I don't know, nor do I care how much of a ticket it was.
Imagine my complete and utter freak out when I went out one morning to water and
saw that poor thing hanging there with a bucket of blood under it. This guy is
such an asshole I can't drum up enough words to describe him.

Now he has this friggin trailer in his driveway. Our deed restrictions prevent
anyone for having a trailer in the drive for more than 48 hours. If it isn't
gone by August, I'm taking him to civil court.

Nobody, not one person in all 31 homes in our subdivision talk to or even look
at this idiot. Kids are not allowed to play with his kids. It's a mess.

animaux 02-06-2003 01:08 AM

garden police gone wild?
 
On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:07:00 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:


Probably to clean it. (It makes more sense to me to hang it from a ceiling
joist inside the garage, but maybe he likes to make a public spectacle.)


He has little man complex, so that is exactly why he does it.


Cause it's not illegal?

Best regards,
Bob


It is illegal here in this town.

Vox Humana 02-06-2003 02:44 AM

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"animaux" wrote in message
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On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:51:25 -0700, "

wrote:

Why on earth does he hang dead deer from the basketball hoop? And why

does
he get away with it?
Roz


I guess he bleeds them. He didn't get away with it. I called the police

and he
was given a ticket. I don't know, nor do I care how much of a ticket it

was.
Imagine my complete and utter freak out when I went out one morning to

water and
saw that poor thing hanging there with a bucket of blood under it. This

guy is
such an asshole I can't drum up enough words to describe him.

Now he has this friggin trailer in his driveway. Our deed restrictions

prevent
anyone for having a trailer in the drive for more than 48 hours. If it

isn't
gone by August, I'm taking him to civil court.


We have a similar restriction. Again, out of 150 homes, about three people
insist on violating the rules. I can understand if someone has to have a
trailer for a few days because they are in the middle of a project, but the
people who violate the rules just have one for the hell of it. I found out
this week that our township prohibits the parking of boats, trailers, or
commercial vehicles on residential property unless they are inside a
building or are fully screened and meet setback requirement (ie, they have
to be out of site, one a paved area, and a good distance from the street or
any neighboring property.) You might check with your zoning board and see
what the rules are in your area. You might only have to call the police,
saving you a lot of time and some money to pursue it in court.



zxcvbob 02-06-2003 03:44 AM

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Vox Humana wrote:
"animaux" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:51:25 -0700, "


wrote:

Why on earth does he hang dead deer from the basketball hoop? And why


does

he get away with it?
Roz


I guess he bleeds them. He didn't get away with it. I called the police


and he

was given a ticket. I don't know, nor do I care how much of a ticket it


was.

Imagine my complete and utter freak out when I went out one morning to


water and

saw that poor thing hanging there with a bucket of blood under it. This


guy is

such an asshole I can't drum up enough words to describe him.

Now he has this friggin trailer in his driveway. Our deed restrictions


prevent

anyone for having a trailer in the drive for more than 48 hours. If it


isn't

gone by August, I'm taking him to civil court.



We have a similar restriction. Again, out of 150 homes, about three people
insist on violating the rules. I can understand if someone has to have a
trailer for a few days because they are in the middle of a project, but the
people who violate the rules just have one for the hell of it. I found out
this week that our township prohibits the parking of boats, trailers, or
commercial vehicles on residential property unless they are inside a
building or are fully screened and meet setback requirement (ie, they have
to be out of site, one a paved area, and a good distance from the street or
any neighboring property.) You might check with your zoning board and see
what the rules are in your area. You might only have to call the police,
saving you a lot of time and some money to pursue it in court.



Just to play devil's advocate, why is this any different than the "weed
police" everyone was ranting about yesterday?

I just can't see calling the cops to hassle someone over a deed
restriction. Even if the guy is an asshole. No, *especially* if he's an
asshole. It will just escalate, and he won't know when to stop.

Someone should have called the cops when he threatened folks with a gun.
But that's a criminal matter, not civil.

Best regards,
Bob



K. Reece 02-06-2003 03:56 AM

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"Bill Oliver" wrote in message
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In article FztCa.45945$hd6.9249@fed1read05,
wrote:
Why on earth does he hang dead deer from the basketball hoop? And why

does
he get away with it?
Roz


Probably to age it. You do know, don't you, that the steaks you buy
in the supermarket have been hanging for around 21 days? While
commercial meat houses hang beef in cool temperatures for long
periods, the tradition for game is to hang it at ambient temperature
for shorter periods. The "gamey" taste of meat harvested by hunting
rather than packaged at the supermarket is in large part due to
insufficient ageing.

billo


They might have been in the past but beef is not aged by commercial
processors anymore. It costs too much money in shrinkage. The beef hangs
in the "hot box" for all of 48 hours max before it's cut, packaged and
shipped. After it's package it doesn't hang around all that long before
it's shipped either. There's a lot of it that goes "direct ship" too.
There's a lot of it that is cut and packaged and on a truck in less than 48
hours from the time it walks in the door.

My DH works in a beef packing plant.

Kathy



animaux 02-06-2003 04:56 AM

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On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 01:44:44 GMT, "Vox Humana" wrote:


We have a similar restriction. Again, out of 150 homes, about three people
insist on violating the rules. I can understand if someone has to have a
trailer for a few days because they are in the middle of a project, but the
people who violate the rules just have one for the hell of it. I found out
this week that our township prohibits the parking of boats, trailers, or
commercial vehicles on residential property unless they are inside a
building or are fully screened and meet setback requirement (ie, they have
to be out of site, one a paved area, and a good distance from the street or
any neighboring property.) You might check with your zoning board and see
what the rules are in your area. You might only have to call the police,
saving you a lot of time and some money to pursue it in court.


We have the same ordinance as you. Trailers, boats, cars on blocks, etc. are
not tolerated unless inside the fence and not seen from the street or anyone
else's backyard. It's a civil matter. I've asked him for three years to move
it. I'm giving him till August. I think I've been fair. It has been recorded
for three years that I've wanted it out of sight, as well as have signatures of
27 families who also want it out.

Court fees are virtually nothing, and for sure nothing if he is in violation,
which he clearly is. On top of city ordinance, he signed deed restrictions when
he bought in this development, regardless how small it is. It's all half acre
or more zoned in here. 31 houses.

Thing is, I probably would tolerate it if he wasn't such a scumbag about that
cat. What a disgusting thing to do to another human being and even if you hate
the human, to do that to a cat is demonic. He'll get his.

Victoria

animaux 02-06-2003 05:08 AM

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On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:33:56 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:


Just to play devil's advocate, why is this any different than the "weed
police" everyone was ranting about yesterday?

I just can't see calling the cops to hassle someone over a deed
restriction. Even if the guy is an asshole. No, *especially* if he's an
asshole. It will just escalate, and he won't know when to stop.

Someone should have called the cops when he threatened folks with a gun.
But that's a criminal matter, not civil.

Best regards,
Bob


The police were called and it was their word against his and they didn't have a
witness. Some laws in Texas are pretty archaic.

As for escalating the situation...I don't mean to sound low classed, but there
are at least ten guys in here who would just love the opportunity to squash this
idiot like a bug. His junk heap and trailer and b-ball hoop that nobody ever
plays with are going to go. We have a lot of money invested in our homes and
his house is the first you see when you enter the gates.

I'd personally love to see him escalate. My husband is the most gentle of all
creatures and even HE said he'd squash that idiot like a bug. We called the
police to have it recorded so when we take him to court the court will clearly
see how tolerant of his heap we all were.

Victoria

zxcvbob 02-06-2003 05:08 AM

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animaux wrote:

On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:33:56 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:



Just to play devil's advocate, why is this any different than the "weed
police" everyone was ranting about yesterday?

I just can't see calling the cops to hassle someone over a deed
restriction. Even if the guy is an asshole. No, *especially* if he's an
asshole. It will just escalate, and he won't know when to stop.

Someone should have called the cops when he threatened folks with a gun.
But that's a criminal matter, not civil.

Best regards,
Bob



The police were called and it was their word against his and they didn't have a
witness. Some laws in Texas are pretty archaic.

As for escalating the situation...I don't mean to sound low classed, but there
are at least ten guys in here who would just love the opportunity to squash this
idiot like a bug. His junk heap and trailer and b-ball hoop that nobody ever
plays with are going to go. We have a lot of money invested in our homes and
his house is the first you see when you enter the gates.

I'd personally love to see him escalate. My husband is the most gentle of all
creatures and even HE said he'd squash that idiot like a bug. We called the
police to have it recorded so when we take him to court the court will clearly
see how tolerant of his heap we all were.

Victoria



But don't you see the irony of the message thread you posted this in? I
guess not.

Best regards,
Bob


montana 02-06-2003 05:32 AM

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In article FztCa.45945$hd6.9249@fed1read05,
" wrote:

Why on earth does he hang dead deer from the basketball hoop? And why does
he get away with it?
Roz



Depending on where the deer was killed, it has to be "field dressed"
which means that it has to be gutted and bled as soon as possible. It
works a lot better with gravity on your side. I don't know if he can
hunt on his property, but that's one explanation.

Secondly, you have to skin and clean a deer before butchering. The best
way to make sure everything is ready is to hang the carcass. It makes
access easier. Since some people are squeamish about the whole venison
concept (it sure makes clear how meat "gets to the table") many people
hang the carcass inside the garage or work in the basement. This guy may
not feel like hauling a carcass around any more than is necessary. This
is all perfectly legal, since deer hunting is legal.

Now, this neighbor sounds horrible, but there were a couple of things
mentioned that are perfectly legal and, in some cultures, perfectly
acceptable.

Threatening people with a gun makes it obvious that there's something
fundamentally wrong with this person. But if he wants to eat venison, a
deer must be killed.

John 02-06-2003 06:08 AM

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"Terry M" wrote in news:0ZtCa.826624
$Zo.170849@sccrnsc03:

wrote:
hwat is an epee?
roz


An epee is a dueling sword.


Terry M
"Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are a

good
person is a little like expecting the bull not to charge

because
you are a vegetarian."




It is also a way to relieve yourself
John

Aaron Baugher 02-06-2003 03:45 PM

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animaux writes:

Not only did he threaten people, his 11 year old daughter said
something which put red flags up on the whole block. She asked
another little girl if she ever had sex, or wanted to have sex.
These are 11 year old girls.


You realize, of course, that some schools start sex education in
kindergarten nowadays. That may not be the case in your area, but
it's drastically jumping to conclusions to think an 11-year-old got
such curiosity at home, no matter how weird her family is otherwise.
They're getting bombarded with it from all sides.

Come to think of it, when I was 11 years old, a school friend used to
pass around his mom's trashy romance novels -- the kind with fully
descriptive sex, not the tamer ones that stop at the bedroom door.
Luckily for their morals, most of the kids probably couldn't read yet.


--
Aaron



animaux 02-06-2003 03:45 PM

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On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 23:01:13 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:


But don't you see the irony of the message thread you posted this in? I
guess not.

Best regards,
Bob


I see the irony. Do you think I'm somehow less intelligent because I posted a
gripe and because sometimes it's necessary to be garden police? Hey, I could
care less if people have their lawn growing tall. That's not my point.
Fortunately, everyone who lives in my development take very good care of their
property. We have one neighbor we strongly dislike.

[email protected] 02-06-2003 03:45 PM

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There is a big difference because Victoria bought into this suburb KNOWING about the
rules. Nothing hidden, everything was in black and white on paper. Signing on the
dotted line meant agreeing to the rules set out. Most of the rules concern what
goes on it the front and public areas around the house. Ingrid

On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 23:01:13 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:
But don't you see the irony of the message thread you posted this in? I
guess not.



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Terry M 02-06-2003 04:08 PM

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John wrote:
wrote:
hwat is an epee?
roz




An epee is a dueling sword.

Terry M
"Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are a good
person is a little like expecting the bull not to charge because
you are a vegetarian."




It is also a way to relieve yourself
John




I believe that would be *apee* or maybe *ipee*. Possibly *upee* or *wepee*.

Terry M
"Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are a good
person is a little like expecting the bull not to charge because
you are a vegetarian."




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