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I had a DIY CO2 and it kept giving me problems, has anybody used the
NUTRAFIN CO2 Natural Plant System ??? is it any good ???? http://www.hagen.com/canada/english/...co2system.html Thanks ... |
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I had a DIY CO2 and it kept giving me problems, has anybody used the
NUTRAFIN CO2 Natural Plant System ??? is it any good ???? It sounds like an expensive version of DIY to me. Leigh http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/ |
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"Francisco Caamaño" wrote:
I had a DIY CO2 and it kept giving me problems, has anybody used the NUTRAFIN CO2 Natural Plant System ??? is it any good ???? http://www.hagen.com/canada/english/...co2system.html Please note that the Nutrafin system is a manufactured system which does exactly what your DIY system does. The two packages contain yeast and sodium bicarbonate, and you supply your own sugar. Given that you already know how to mix yeast and sugar, you might not be too happy to pay their price for the little packets. Enough people have problems with diffusing CO2 that it might be worth it just for the bubble counter/diffuser module, if it was cheap enough! |
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before I had as diffuser a powerhead like in this image
http://www3.sympatico.ca/c1000mg/aquarium/figure1.gif and I had good CO2 level but I had a growing white fungus at the botton where the CO2 was coming out.... !!!! you can see this picture http://www3.sympatico.ca/c1000mg/aqu...problem005.jpg and now I don't have the undergravel filter how else can I make a diffuser in a cheap way ???? I also tryed the bell but it didn't give me good CO2 Level.... "LeighMo" wrote in message ... I had a DIY CO2 and it kept giving me problems, has anybody used the NUTRAFIN CO2 Natural Plant System ??? is it any good ???? It sounds like an expensive version of DIY to me. Leigh http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/ |
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I am using Duetto DJ-50 internal filter for diffusing CO2. Its a very small
filter with an option to inject air line. I have a picture of it in my article http://www.dlink.org/aqua/CO2.html -- Thank You Dominic http://www.dlink.org/aqua I just coincidently happen to see one of these things in action while at the LFS store today. The first thing I noticed was the CO2 bubble mover system inside the tank. It's very cool to watch....but, the more I thought about it, the more it seems like this type of diffusion wouldn't be any better than a 'bell' type diffuser....maybe worse? The bubble just reaches the top and goes to the surface :( The canister was nice tho. Maybe too small for a larger tank but perfect for something like a 5-10..maybe 20 gallon. My little 1L reactor is pllumbed into the bottom of the venturi of my power filter and is giving me 20-28ppm. I can't imagine doing much better....actually, any higher would be a concern :) |
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I actualy considered using a DJ-50 when first trying to figure out how
I was gonna dissolve the CO2. I got impatient with myself ;) and just wanted to get *something* going and finally stuck the end of the airline at the end of the intake tube of the power filter. It ended up working SO well I've just forgotten about looking more into finding a hi-tek diffuser. Chris On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:06:04 -0500, "Aqua" wrote: I am using Duetto DJ-50 internal filter for diffusing CO2. Its a very small filter with an option to inject air line. I have a picture of it in my article http://www.dlink.org/aqua/CO2.html -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- |
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If you can't use a powerhead, you can try snaking the end of the diffuser
line into the intake tube of your canister filter, or whatever. The CO2 will be entirely resorbed into the water by the time it comes out the outflow tube. This method will, however, make a few filters (i.e., mine) rattle. kush "You can't have everything - where would you put it?" Francisco Caamaño wrote in message .. . before I had as diffuser a powerhead like in this image http://www3.sympatico.ca/c1000mg/aquarium/figure1.gif and I had good CO2 level but I had a growing white fungus at the botton where the CO2 was coming out.... !!!! you can see this picture http://www3.sympatico.ca/c1000mg/aqu...problem005.jpg and now I don't have the undergravel filter how else can I make a diffuser in a cheap way ???? I also tryed the bell but it didn't give me good CO2 Level.... "LeighMo" wrote in message ... I had a DIY CO2 and it kept giving me problems, has anybody used the NUTRAFIN CO2 Natural Plant System ??? is it any good ???? It sounds like an expensive version of DIY to me. Leigh http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/ |
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Locally here, it's expensive. CAD$60! I got a 10lbs cylinder(w/ CO2) for
$25, needle valve for $30, and hosing and reactor for around $10. You have an almost maintenance free CO2 system. "Francisco Caamaño" wrote in message .. . I had a DIY CO2 and it kept giving me problems, has anybody used the NUTRAFIN CO2 Natural Plant System ??? is it any good ???? http://www.hagen.com/canada/english/...co2system.html Thanks ... |
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For some reason, DIY CO2 will always do that. I used a wooden airstone that
deformed and was almost covered by the same stuff. "Francisco Caamaño" wrote in message .. . before I had as diffuser a powerhead like in this image http://www3.sympatico.ca/c1000mg/aquarium/figure1.gif and I had good CO2 level but I had a growing white fungus at the botton where the CO2 was coming out.... !!!! you can see this picture http://www3.sympatico.ca/c1000mg/aqu...problem005.jpg and now I don't have the undergravel filter how else can I make a diffuser in a cheap way ???? I also tryed the bell but it didn't give me good CO2 Level.... "LeighMo" wrote in message ... I had a DIY CO2 and it kept giving me problems, has anybody used the NUTRAFIN CO2 Natural Plant System ??? is it any good ???? It sounds like an expensive version of DIY to me. Leigh http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/ |
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In article , "Steve Galupe"
writes: For some reason, DIY CO2 will always do that. I used a wooden airstone that deformed and was almost covered by the same stuff. Interesting thing about the white stuff (bacterial or fungal colonization, I think?)...I noticed some of it starting to develop on a new setup I just put together and the snails seem to like eating it...sort of weird. Erica http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/mitoem/mitoem/index.htm |
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kush wrote:
: If you can't use a powerhead, you can try snaking the end of the diffuser : line into the intake tube of your canister filter, or whatever. The CO2 : will be entirely resorbed into the water by the time it comes out the : outflow tube. This method will, however, make a few filters (i.e., mine) : rattle. Any idea if the same sort of scheme would work for an over-the-back power filter? I sort of doubt it, but am not experienced with CO2 systems. Maybe introducing the CO2 under the filter media would work? cheers, -david |
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David Marshburn writes:
kush wrote: : If you can't use a powerhead, you can try snaking the end of the : diffuser line into the intake tube of your canister filter, or : whatever. The CO2 will be entirely resorbed into the water by the : time it comes out the outflow tube. This method will, however, : make a few filters (i.e., mine) rattle. Any idea if the same sort of scheme would work for an over-the-back power filter? I sort of doubt it, but am not experienced with CO2 systems. Maybe introducing the CO2 under the filter media would work? I experimented with this last week. I drilled a 3/8" hole in the side of a spare intake tube for my AquaClear 150, tapered the end of an airline from my DIY CO2 yeast culture, and worked it in. It seemed quite effective; I got a pH drop from ~8.2 to ~7.0 in the 7 gallon tank (~6 gal water volume), compared to the ~7.6 pH I get just letting the CO2 gently bubble out of an airstone. The CO2 bubbles hitting the impeller made bubbly noises, of course. Also, there was a fair bit of suction, so be careful if using a soft-walled (collapsible) bottle for your yeast culture. -- odoratusque est Dominus odorem suavitatis |
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I'm also using an AQ150 with the tube tappered off feeding the bottom of the tube. I normally measure about 25'ish ppm....granted, this is a 5 gal tank I keep the filter turned down to its lowest flow rating (to reduce surface agitation and eddies) so there's absolutely NO suction happening. I don't think it even happens at higher levels....don't even see *how* this could be happeing to others. I didn't drill a hole in the tube. I just have the bubbles entering the slits in the bottom of the tube so there's really NO WAY enuf suction can be built-up this way....and it works perfectly. Chris On 05 Nov 2002 01:10:03 -0600, Florian wrote: David Marshburn writes: kush wrote: : If you can't use a powerhead, you can try snaking the end of the : diffuser line into the intake tube of your canister filter, or : whatever. The CO2 will be entirely resorbed into the water by the : time it comes out the outflow tube. This method will, however, : make a few filters (i.e., mine) rattle. Any idea if the same sort of scheme would work for an over-the-back power filter? I sort of doubt it, but am not experienced with CO2 systems. Maybe introducing the CO2 under the filter media would work? I experimented with this last week. I drilled a 3/8" hole in the side of a spare intake tube for my AquaClear 150, tapered the end of an airline from my DIY CO2 yeast culture, and worked it in. It seemed quite effective; I got a pH drop from ~8.2 to ~7.0 in the 7 gallon tank (~6 gal water volume), compared to the ~7.6 pH I get just letting the CO2 gently bubble out of an airstone. The CO2 bubbles hitting the impeller made bubbly noises, of course. Also, there was a fair bit of suction, so be careful if using a soft-walled (collapsible) bottle for your yeast culture. -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- |
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I won't use an airstone just for that reason. I THINK the substance itself
is benign, but it affects the bubble size, eventually cancelling out the benefit of using the stone over just having an uncapped line. Someone recently suggested using the disposables. I just introduce the CO2 in ways that don't require a stone, diffusion chamber and powerhead injection. kush "You can't have everything - where would you put it?" E. Mito wrote in message ... In article , "Steve Galupe" writes: For some reason, DIY CO2 will always do that. I used a wooden airstone that deformed and was almost covered by the same stuff. Interesting thing about the white stuff (bacterial or fungal colonization, I think?)...I noticed some of it starting to develop on a new setup I just put together and the snails seem to like eating it...sort of weird. Erica http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/mitoem/mitoem/index.htm |
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I use a Duetto DJ-50 internal filter in my heavily-planted 29gal tank:
http://www.animalnetwork.com/fish2/a...ct/default.asp I attached the CO2 line to the hose barb. I wasn't getting quite the CO2 dissolution that I wanted, so I rigged up a plastic cup to redirect some of the output back to the input. Basically just cut a notch out of a large plastic cup, inverted the cup and pushed it over filter. Works great now. In , "Francisco Caamaño" empowered us with this mighty blow against the Patriarchy: before I had as diffuser a powerhead like in this image http://www3.sympatico.ca/c1000mg/aquarium/figure1.gif and I had good CO2 level but I had a growing white fungus at the botton where the CO2 was coming out.... !!!! you can see this picture http://www3.sympatico.ca/c1000mg/aqu...problem005.jpg and now I don't have the undergravel filter how else can I make a diffuser in a cheap way ???? I also tryed the bell but it didn't give me good CO2 Level.... "LeighMo" wrote in message ... I had a DIY CO2 and it kept giving me problems, has anybody used the NUTRAFIN CO2 Natural Plant System ??? is it any good ???? It sounds like an expensive version of DIY to me. Leigh http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/ |
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where did you get a CO2 tank....been thinkning of setting up CO2...but dont
want to deal with changing it every week...and possible issues with yeast releasing alchohol in my tank.... Steve Galupe wrote: Locally here, it's expensive. CAD$60! I got a 10lbs cylinder(w/ CO2) for $25, needle valve for $30, and hosing and reactor for around $10. You have an almost maintenance free CO2 system. "Francisco Caamaño" wrote in message .. . I had a DIY CO2 and it kept giving me problems, has anybody used the NUTRAFIN CO2 Natural Plant System ??? is it any good ???? http://www.hagen.com/canada/english/...co2system.html Thanks ... |
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In , Rich Conley
empowered us with this mighty blow against the Patriarchy: where did you get a CO2 tank....been thinkning of setting up CO2...but dont want to deal with changing it every week... Aw, I only change mine every two weeks. ;-) and possible issues with yeast releasing alchohol in my tank.... The only way that could happen is if the mix got into the tank, and you'd need to either kick over the container or have some strong suction at the other end of the line to pull in the mix. Yeah, people have reported these kinds of things happening, but they're pretty rare and very easy to avoid. But anyway ;-) .... http://www.wcf.com/co2iron/ |
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Recently I setup a CO2 tank. Here is the info
http://www.dlink.org/aqua/CO2.html -- Thank You Dominic http://www.dlink.org/aqua "Rich Conley" wrote in message ... where did you get a CO2 tank....been thinkning of setting up CO2...but dont want to deal with changing it every week...and possible issues with yeast releasing alchohol in my tank.... Steve Galupe wrote: Locally here, it's expensive. CAD$60! I got a 10lbs cylinder(w/ CO2) for $25, needle valve for $30, and hosing and reactor for around $10. You have an almost maintenance free CO2 system. "Francisco Caamaño" wrote in message .. . I had a DIY CO2 and it kept giving me problems, has anybody used the NUTRAFIN CO2 Natural Plant System ??? is it any good ???? http://www.hagen.com/canada/english/...co2system.html Thanks ... |
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Could use use a cylinder from a Paintball gun? I know most of the lower end
ones use CO2....some of the big guys use nitrogen...or compressed air....bt most just use CO2.....what do you think? Aqua wrote: Recently I setup a CO2 tank. Here is the info http://www.dlink.org/aqua/CO2.html -- Thank You Dominic http://www.dlink.org/aqua "Rich Conley" wrote in message ... where did you get a CO2 tank....been thinkning of setting up CO2...but dont want to deal with changing it every week...and possible issues with yeast releasing alchohol in my tank.... Steve Galupe wrote: Locally here, it's expensive. CAD$60! I got a 10lbs cylinder(w/ CO2) for $25, needle valve for $30, and hosing and reactor for around $10. You have an almost maintenance free CO2 system. "Francisco Caamaño" wrote in message .. . I had a DIY CO2 and it kept giving me problems, has anybody used the NUTRAFIN CO2 Natural Plant System ??? is it any good ???? http://www.hagen.com/canada/english/...co2system.html Thanks ... |
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The fuzzy looking growth that you see is mostly likely a yeast culture. The
"spray" from the yeast culture releases a small amount of yeast spores in to the CO2. You can see these particals dance into the water during a release of built up CO2 gases. I have used both aquaclear method and a hose into the intake of a power head. I use a penguin 660R powerhead with sponge filter attached. I can place this under the water surface and it does a great job of diffusing the CO2 w/o to much annoying rattle. The aquaclear solution just about drove me batty. lol My two cents, Earl "Francisco Caamaño" wrote in message .. . I had a DIY CO2 and it kept giving me problems, has anybody used the NUTRAFIN CO2 Natural Plant System ??? is it any good ???? http://www.hagen.com/canada/english/...co2system.html Thanks ... |
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In both my 10 and 55 gallon tanks I just use the upturned cup method and it
works very well. If you can figure out the right amount of surface area, you can make it so that the CO2 level remains very constant, and there's no danger of over injecting because any time you put in more than the cup can hold it just bubbles out. Also, surface area of the cup, not volume, is important, so it is easy to make a small, inconspicuous system for your tank if you use something that's shallow at the top of your tank, like part of a tupperware container. I put mine under the outflow of my overhang filters. I think that the greater water flow here makes the system more efficient. Oh yeah, the main reason why I use this method is it makes no noise. In article , "Da' Fishboy" wrote: The fuzzy looking growth that you see is mostly likely a yeast culture. The "spray" from the yeast culture releases a small amount of yeast spores in to the CO2. You can see these particals dance into the water during a release of built up CO2 gases. I have used both aquaclear method and a hose into the intake of a power head. I use a penguin 660R powerhead with sponge filter attached. I can place this under the water surface and it does a great job of diffusing the CO2 w/o to much annoying rattle. The aquaclear solution just about drove me batty. lol My two cents, Earl "Francisco Caamaño" wrote in message . .. I had a DIY CO2 and it kept giving me problems, has anybody used the NUTRAFIN CO2 Natural Plant System ??? is it any good ???? http://www.hagen.com/canada/english/...co2system.html Thanks ... __ "Insert witty comment here." -John |
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OK,
it's been a few days, I peaked at 7 bubbles in the "diffuser" after that my CO2 bubbles are by-passing the "diffuser". Going to remove the plastic diffuser and clean it, might be something near invisible blocking the outlet for the plastic hose. "Haywire" wrote in message able.rogers.com... Just set the unit up, instructions say that it should start making CO2 in about 2hrs, It's been that, pressure is quite low, but it's there it's moved down the line about 1/2 an inch. I'll keep you all posted in the next few days to see it makes a difference. Kit also came with fertiliser which I won't use till next week. "Francisco Caamaño" wrote in message .. . I had a DIY CO2 and it kept giving me problems, has anybody used the NUTRAFIN CO2 Natural Plant System ??? is it any good ???? http://www.hagen.com/canada/english/...co2system.html Thanks ... |
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Anyone had one of these for a while?
How long does the yeast/nutriant kit last? Anyone use the setup with a DIY yeast setup yet?? |
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packaging says 2 weeks I'm getting close to it, I haven't noticed anything
dramatic yet, may have some growth on the brazilian micro swords which is a good thing :) I don't plan on buying the yeast packs as the DIY recipes are really easy. "KerryA" wrote in message ... Anyone had one of these for a while? How long does the yeast/nutriant kit last? Anyone use the setup with a DIY yeast setup yet?? |
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I just set one up tonight.LFS guy says if the
little spout at the end of the tube is not angled just right the bubbles will bypass the diffuser. I will let you know how mine does. I assume the "stabilizer" is baking soda? It does not say what type of yeast is in the "activator" I bet it is champaign yeast if it is supposed to last 28 days. Has anyone tried to use the diffuser with a regular 2L DIY bottle? Bruce http://community.webtv.net/BruBz/BrucesBeatlePage |
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I just got one of these today.
Isaw one working on the LFS plant tank, and was impressed by the efficiency of the diffuser. I can see no reason why it shouldnt work with a 2L bottle. Probably worth investing the 15 gbp it cost to get the decent diffuser and a 'safer' introduction to CO2. I too will use my own recipe once the sachets are used up. Mine hasnt even started producing yet, (its only been setup 30mins lol) but i tried blowing a bubble into my diffuser and it just seemed to stick there. Maybe it isnt level etc yet, i will play once i start production. We should keep exhanging info about these seeing as there are several of us just starting out, and they are a new product and all. Phil. "Bruce Butz" wrote in message ... I just set one up tonight.LFS guy says if the little spout at the end of the tube is not angled just right the bubbles will bypass the diffuser. I will let you know how mine does. I assume the "stabilizer" is baking soda? It does not say what type of yeast is in the "activator" I bet it is champaign yeast if it is supposed to last 28 days. Has anyone tried to use the diffuser with a regular 2L DIY bottle? Bruce http://community.webtv.net/BruBz/BrucesBeatlePage |
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Phil: My first load was a dud,24 hours no bubbles.So I started over.This
time with half as much "stabilizer" (baking soda) as I have very hard water. This time I got bubbles after three hours.It's been five days and I am getting steady bubbles at the rate of one every five seconds. I also like the bubble counter/diffuser a lot. After years of messing around with injecting into the filter intake(noisy) Using cut off one ltr. bottles with holes in them (ugly and inefficient) I would recommend the diffuser by it's self to others who use DIY Co2. You can buy the diffuser by its self from Big Als. I think it is $11. Kind of looks cool too. Bruce http://community.webtv.net/BruBz/BrucesBeatlePage |
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"Bruce Butz" wrote in message
... Phil: My first load was a dud,24 hours no bubbles.So I started over.This time with half as much "stabilizer" (baking soda) as I have very hard water. This time I got bubbles after three hours.It's been five days and I am getting steady bubbles at the rate of one every five seconds. I also like the bubble counter/diffuser a lot. After years of messing around with injecting into the filter intake(noisy) Using cut off one ltr. bottles with holes in them (ugly and inefficient) I would recommend the diffuser by it's self to others who use DIY Co2. You can buy the diffuser by its self from Big Als. I think it is $11. Ditto. My first batch, nada. I remade a batch with half stabilser and within 2 hours nice regular bubbles. I cleaned the diffuser under hot water , no detergent, and it flows nicely now. My bubbles dont seem to be getting any smaller as they reach the top though, (as i observed at the LFS). But they are in contact with the water for a decent amount of time. I might still be pushing air out from the tube? It hasnt been runnig too long yet :) This is the last stage of a real effort to keep some plants going properly. I had some beard/hair algae before, which i have eliminated as well as i can. I have upgraded the lighting, switched to RO (i have high nitrates and phosphates in my tap supply) and now added some CO2. I just hope the algae doesnt come back ! I only kept two of my old plants (Echnidorus Ozelot) and bought 20 new ones. I also added some ProAqua plant food and halved the stocking density of fish. Lets hope they thrive now. I have certainly seen some growth even within the last few days.( I only added plants on Wednesday) And that was without CO2. Plants have always been my weak point. Now fish, they are easy ! lol Phil. |
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I got one of these on a whim the other week because I could more likely
convince my roommates to allow it than DIY. I also only wanted moderate CO2 injection since it's for a rift lake tank. It seemed to me at first like it wasn't producing, but then I noticed the issue. The water pressure was just too much for the CO2 to push all the water out of the tubing. I took a 6mL feeding syringe which was just the right size for the tubing and used it to push all the water out. Then I pinched the line closed as much as possible before putting it back on the canister. Within minutes, I had bubbling going. One thing I have noticed that deviates from the LFS setup of this system I saw is that my bubbles get stuck mid-way up the diffuser. I'm not complaining much. This allows more contact time between the CO2 and water. I think the reason is that I don't have the diffuser perfectly straight on the side of the glass. It is slightly tilting down on the side away from the CO2 tubing. I do have to say even though I'm only getting moderate CO2 injection (I have just one unit on a 40 gal, about 2-3 bubbles per minute) I am seeing the results. Within a couple days of putting it in, all 10-20ppm of nitrates from the tap water were sucked away (main reason I put plants in a rift lake tank). The crypts stopped melting and started to pearl and put up new leaves and runners. The java ferns are putting out plantlets and new leaves like crazy. Now a couple weeks later, my algae problem is under wraps. There's still a thin layer of green algae on the rocks and tank sides, but nothing near the algae mess there was at first (which was another reason I decided to follow my whim and try this system.. at $30, it couldn't hurt to try it to see if the algae would be controlled). I hope to have some updated pictures on this tank's website to show the system at work, but I need to get some film for my SLR, so it'll be a week at least. If you want to see how the tank looked when it was freshly set up, the URL is http://www.shwaine.com/fish_40g.html. There's been considerable growth in the crypts (the tallest ones are just about as tall as the rock pile now) since adding the CO2, although I may pull the aponogeton bulbs. They just aren't happy even with the CO2 it seems. Bruce Butz wrote: Phil: My first load was a dud,24 hours no bubbles.So I started over.This time with half as much "stabilizer" (baking soda) as I have very hard water. This time I got bubbles after three hours.It's been five days and I am getting steady bubbles at the rate of one every five seconds. I also like the bubble counter/diffuser a lot. After years of messing around with injecting into the filter intake(noisy) Using cut off one ltr. bottles with holes in them (ugly and inefficient) I would recommend the diffuser by it's self to others who use DIY Co2. You can buy the diffuser by its self from Big Als. I think it is $11. Kind of looks cool too. Bruce http://community.webtv.net/BruBz/BrucesBeatlePage |
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"Philip Ash" wrote in message ...
My bubbles dont seem to be getting any smaller as they reach the top though, (as i observed at the LFS). Mine didn't either, until I fiddled with it. I pushed the bubble stair-case down an inch and at a slightest of angle. Now the bubbles reduce in half...then in half again before exiting. (Enter as a bean and leave as half-BBs). The bubbles move much slower as well. I have 4 or 5 bubbles in the device at the same time. |
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Murphy's law strikes
yeast is done, 2 weeks +1 day, just as I start double shifts this week, sigh, maybe tomorrow morning I can find some spare time to clean the reactor instead of posting. "Phil Dietz" wrote in message om... "Philip Ash" wrote in message ... My bubbles dont seem to be getting any smaller as they reach the top though, (as i observed at the LFS). Mine didn't either, until I fiddled with it. I pushed the bubble stair-case down an inch and at a slightest of angle. Now the bubbles reduce in half...then in half again before exiting. (Enter as a bean and leave as half-BBs). The bubbles move much slower as well. I have 4 or 5 bubbles in the device at the same time. |
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"Cichlidiot" wrote in message ... I got one of these on a whim the other week because I could more likely convince my roommates to allow it than DIY. I also only wanted moderate CO2 injection since it's for a rift lake tank. It seemed to me at first like it wasn't producing, but then I noticed the issue. The water pressure was just too much for the CO2 to push all the water out of the tubing. I took a 6mL feeding syringe which was just the right size for the tubing and used it to push all the water out. Then I pinched the line closed as much as possible before putting it back on the canister. Within minutes, I had bubbling going. One thing I have noticed that deviates from the LFS setup of this system I saw is that my bubbles get stuck mid-way up the diffuser. I'm not complaining much. This allows more contact time between the CO2 and water. I think the reason is that I don't have the diffuser perfectly straight on the side of the glass. It is slightly tilting down on the side away from the CO2 tubing. I do have to say even though I'm only getting moderate CO2 injection (I have just one unit on a 40 gal, about 2-3 bubbles per minute) I am seeing the results. Within a couple days of putting it in, all 10-20ppm of nitrates from the tap water were sucked away (main reason I put plants in a rift lake tank). The crypts stopped melting and started to pearl and put up new leaves and runners. The java ferns are putting out plantlets and new leaves like crazy. Now a couple weeks later, my algae problem is under wraps. There's still a thin layer of green algae on the rocks and tank sides, but nothing near the algae mess there was at first (which was another reason I decided to follow my whim and try this system.. at $30, it couldn't hurt to try it to see if the algae would be controlled). I hope to have some updated pictures on this tank's website to show the system at work, but I need to get some film for my SLR, so it'll be a week at least. If you want to see how the tank looked when it was freshly set up, the URL is http://www.shwaine.com/fish_40g.html. There's been considerable growth in the crypts (the tallest ones are just about as tall as the rock pile now) since adding the CO2, although I may pull the aponogeton bulbs. They just aren't happy even with the CO2 it seems. well that answers one question as I thought these systems were good for tanks only up to 20g. Rick |
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I have posted some pics of the tank in alt.binaries.aquaria
Phil. "Phil Dietz" wrote in message om... "Philip Ash" wrote in message ... My bubbles dont seem to be getting any smaller as they reach the top though, (as i observed at the LFS). Mine didn't either, until I fiddled with it. I pushed the bubble stair-case down an inch and at a slightest of angle. Now the bubbles reduce in half...then in half again before exiting. (Enter as a bean and leave as half-BBs). The bubbles move much slower as well. I have 4 or 5 bubbles in the device at the same time. |
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I like mine too.I just wish I knew what kind of yeast they use so I
could get it from a cheaper source. I bet it is a champaign yeast,but what strain? Bruce http://community.webtv.net/BruBz/BrucesBeatlePage |
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well mine tan for about 3 weeks on the 1st pack of yeast, finally changed it
last night, and for sure it's Champaign yeast, smelled like it, didn't want to taste the alcohol in the reactor to be totally sure but without the co2 in the liquid could it really be Champaign? "Bruce Butz" wrote in message ... There are several new posts about this system. Mine has been running two and a half weeks now and still going strong. Here are a few things I have learned. 1.Hang the Reactor on the tank .This shortens the tube length and gives bubbles more often than putting the Reactor below the tank with a long tube. 2. The "Stabilizer" is baking soda.If you have hard water don't use the whole package. I use half a package or about one half tsp. 3. The slower the bubbles move up the ramp the better.So experiment with the placement of the bubble counter/diffuser.Mine is off axis from vertical about five degrees. With the bottom just slightly closer to the edge of the tank than the top. But yours may differ. 4. If you use your own Yeast. Use champaign yeast rather than wine or bread yeast. It takes longer to start but will last longer. Three packs of champaign yeast are supplied with the unit. Hope this helps. Bruce http://community.webtv.net/BruBz/BrucesBeatlePage |
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