DIY Yeast method materials...
 

Hey folks, I built my DIY yeast co2 injector for my 63 gal tank, it works
great! just used a 2 liter bottle, tubing, fine airstone w/ check valve...
Each concoction produces co2 for about a week and a half... I am very happy
with it :)

So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to get a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI range) I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just stumped on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

-Jason

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to get a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI range) I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just stumped on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

The pressure will not be able to build up since it will go out the
airstone. Would'nt be to concerned.

SEE YA !!!

Malawi, The Fisher King - Ruler Of The World
Conquering the world for YOU since 1972.

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

can you send me your plans and possibly a picture of your co2 injector?

Regards,

Phil..

"Jason @hotmail.com" jasonjudkinsspamremoval wrote in message
. com...
Hey folks, I built my DIY yeast co2 injector for my 63 gal tank, it works
great! just used a 2 liter bottle, tubing, fine airstone w/ check valve...
Each concoction produces co2 for about a week and a half... I am very
happy
with it :)

So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to get
a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI range)
I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just stumped on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

-Jason

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

Plans? We don't need no steenkin' plans!

Poke a hole in the cap of a 2-liter soda bottle, insert some tubing and
seal it with aquarium sealant. Wait a couple of days for it to set. Put
1.5 cups of sugar, 1/2 tsp. yeast and a pinch of baking soda (optional) in
the bottle and fill to the shoulder with warm-not-hot water. Shake
vigorously. Screw the cap on the bottle and insert the other end of the
tube wherever you want the CO2 to go i.e., filter intake, powerhead,
airstone, diffusing chamber. Wait an hour or so for the bubbles to start.
Lasts approximately two weeks.

If the bottle is going to be lower than the tank, for instance in a cabinet
underneath, you probably want to put a one-way valve on the tubing.

kush

Phil Williamson wrote in message
...
can you send me your plans and possibly a picture of your co2 injector?

Regards,

Phil..

"Jason @hotmail.com" jasonjudkinsspamremoval wrote in message
. com...
Hey folks, I built my DIY yeast co2 injector for my 63 gal tank, it
works
great! just used a 2 liter bottle, tubing, fine airstone w/ check
valve...
Each concoction produces co2 for about a week and a half... I am very
happy
with it :)

So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to
get
a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI
range)
I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just stumped
on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

-Jason

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

Whoops! You weren't asking for MY plans. Sorry. I type faster than I read.

kush wrote in message
...
Plans? We don't need no steenkin' plans!

Poke a hole in the cap of a 2-liter soda bottle, insert some tubing and
seal it with aquarium sealant. Wait a couple of days for it to set. Put
1.5 cups of sugar, 1/2 tsp. yeast and a pinch of baking soda (optional) in
the bottle and fill to the shoulder with warm-not-hot water. Shake
vigorously. Screw the cap on the bottle and insert the other end of the
tube wherever you want the CO2 to go i.e., filter intake, powerhead,
airstone, diffusing chamber. Wait an hour or so for the bubbles to start.
Lasts approximately two weeks.

If the bottle is going to be lower than the tank, for instance in a
cabinet
underneath, you probably want to put a one-way valve on the tubing.

kush

Phil Williamson wrote in message
...
can you send me your plans and possibly a picture of your co2 injector?

Regards,

Phil..

"Jason @hotmail.com" jasonjudkinsspamremoval wrote in message
. com...
Hey folks, I built my DIY yeast co2 injector for my 63 gal tank, it
works
great! just used a 2 liter bottle, tubing, fine airstone w/ check
valve...
Each concoction produces co2 for about a week and a half... I am very
happy
with it :)

So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to
get
a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI
range)
I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just stumped
on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

-Jason

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

Do you think it's ok that the outlet of the co2 concoction gets piped into
the inlet of an air pump?

That's what I've just done today...can't find an easier way to get the co2
into the tank otherwise. Actually I've used two pieces of tubing out from
the bottle and it rests underneath the air pump near the inlet, and I
removed the air filter too to give easier intake.

The powerhead is internal =/
But I've ordered a special valve that will suck air and mix it in a chamber
with the water from the outlet, and it will jet very fine bubbles into the
aquarium...so I think I can do it with the co2 going into the valve
directly. The valve is called an "Air Ventura" from Juwel
www.juwelaquarium.de





"kush" wrote in message
...
Plans? We don't need no steenkin' plans!

Poke a hole in the cap of a 2-liter soda bottle, insert some tubing and
seal it with aquarium sealant. Wait a couple of days for it to set. Put
1.5 cups of sugar, 1/2 tsp. yeast and a pinch of baking soda (optional) in
the bottle and fill to the shoulder with warm-not-hot water. Shake
vigorously. Screw the cap on the bottle and insert the other end of the
tube wherever you want the CO2 to go i.e., filter intake, powerhead,
airstone, diffusing chamber. Wait an hour or so for the bubbles to start.
Lasts approximately two weeks.

If the bottle is going to be lower than the tank, for instance in a
cabinet
underneath, you probably want to put a one-way valve on the tubing.

kush

Phil Williamson wrote in message
...
can you send me your plans and possibly a picture of your co2 injector?

Regards,

Phil..

"Jason @hotmail.com" jasonjudkinsspamremoval wrote in message
. com...
Hey folks, I built my DIY yeast co2 injector for my 63 gal tank, it
works
great! just used a 2 liter bottle, tubing, fine airstone w/ check
valve...
Each concoction produces co2 for about a week and a half... I am very
happy
with it :)

So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to
get
a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI
range)
I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just stumped
on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

-Jason

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

wiggywacker wrote:
Do you think it's ok that the outlet of the co2 concoction gets piped into
the inlet of an air pump?

That's what I've just done today...can't find an easier way to get the co2
into the tank otherwise. Actually I've used two pieces of tubing out from
the bottle and it rests underneath the air pump near the inlet, and I
removed the air filter too to give easier intake.

The powerhead is internal =/
But I've ordered a special valve that will suck air and mix it in a chamber
with the water from the outlet, and it will jet very fine bubbles into the
aquarium...so I think I can do it with the co2 going into the valve
directly. The valve is called an "Air Ventura" from Juwel
www.juwelaquarium.de



The problem I see with air pump approach is that if you dilute the CO2
with air, you are going to reduce the amount that diffuses into the
water. If this is just a temporary measure until you get the venturi
adapter for your powerhead, then I wouldn't worry about it too much.
Using the venturi valve to inject pure CO2 (without additional air) into
the tank would definitely be better than using the air pump.

Brian

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

VenturI
God, I've seen to many Jim Carrey movies.

Thanks for your answer Brian.......
Now I see that there is also a co2 reactor available from Juwel.....
Hmmmmmmmmmm

to bubble or not to bubble.



"Brian C. Attwood" wrote in message
...
wiggywacker wrote:
Do you think it's ok that the outlet of the co2 concoction gets piped
into
the inlet of an air pump?

That's what I've just done today...can't find an easier way to get the
co2
into the tank otherwise. Actually I've used two pieces of tubing out
from
the bottle and it rests underneath the air pump near the inlet, and I
removed the air filter too to give easier intake.

The powerhead is internal =/
But I've ordered a special valve that will suck air and mix it in a
chamber
with the water from the outlet, and it will jet very fine bubbles into
the
aquarium...so I think I can do it with the co2 going into the valve
directly. The valve is called an "Air Ventura" from Juwel
www.juwelaquarium.de



The problem I see with air pump approach is that if you dilute the CO2
with air, you are going to reduce the amount that diffuses into the
water. If this is just a temporary measure until you get the venturi
adapter for your powerhead, then I wouldn't worry about it too much.
Using the venturi valve to inject pure CO2 (without additional air) into
the tank would definitely be better than using the air pump.

Brian

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

Yes but I am looking for a blow valve as a precaution against the
possibility of the airstone getting clogged and causing my 2 liter bottle to
explode (I have seen pictures and read postings on this happening.) Since I
have read interest from people I will describe my setup, and I will post a
picture of it later (although its pretty simple)

1) Get 2 liter bottle (I got a $.49 seltzer water bottle since its clear)
2) Drilled 1/4 hole in top of cap and silicon sealed tubing inside of it
3) Since my co2 reactor will be beneath my tank, I have installed a
check-valve on the line to prevent reverse-siphoning
4) Recipe I put in bottle is 6 cups water (~1.5 liters) 1 cup sugar, 1/4
tspn baking soda, and 1 tspn of yeast (NOT the instant yeast, but bakers
yeast) (I might add that the baking soda DOES help in the co2 production)

I run the airstone end of the tube down to the bottom of my aquariium and
anchor it there with one of my rocks.

For those of you who suggest running the co2 outtake to a powerhead... DONT
DO IT... this is for the simple fact that even a very small powerhead will
pull more air that the co2 reactor can provide, this results in a very good
probability that your 2 liter bottle will collapse from pressure. (Thus
sucking that nasty concoction into your tank and probably killing some
fish/plants) It is best to put the the airstone underneath a flow of water
so it circulates within the tank and has more time to diffuse.

I am making a new co2 reactor that uses an empty wine jug (glass) and has a
bit more solid structure.... This is the reason I am looking for a blow
valve is so I can make sure that too much pressure doesn't build... I might
just use a rubber stopper (with a copper tube coming out of it... easily
aquired at a scientific supply type store) and a check valve... but the
benefit would be a bigger water/sugar/yeast concoction that produces more
co2 :)

"Trygve Lillefosse" wrote in message
...
So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to get
a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI range)
I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just stumped on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

The pressure will not be able to build up since it will go out the
airstone. Would'nt be to concerned.

SEE YA !!!

Malawi, The Fisher King - Ruler Of The World
Conquering the world for YOU since 1972.

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

In article , Jason
writes
Yes but I am looking for a blow valve as a precaution against the
possibility of the airstone getting clogged and causing my 2 liter
bottle to explode

If you are using a standard plastic soda/lemonade bottle, then I
wouldn't worry. They are designed to a) withstand far greater pressures
than your DIY CO2 set up can produce and b) allow excess gas to seep
through, preventing explosions.

Think about it, the gas produce by even mildly shaking a new lemonade
bottle is way more than any DIY CO2 set up can manage.

(I have seen pictures and read postings on this happening.)

Have you actually seen any confirmed reports of this happening ? In all
my years of using these newsgroups (about six or seven I think), I don't
remember ever seeing an actual confirmed report of explosion. I've seen
a few scare stories, plenty of hypothesis and so on, but no confirmed
reports.

And if they were any, it would almost certainly be due to a poor set up.
As mentioned above, a plastic bottle shouldn't gve any cause for worry.

Finally, my DIY CO2 set up has a plastic bung in the bottle. This can be
removed fairly easily (which is how I renew the mixture). If the
pressure were to build up in there, the bung would pop out long before
we got anywhere near an explosion. Again, a small amount of common sense
removes all fears from the scaremongers.

HTH

--
Alan Silver
Please remove the "furryferret" if replying by e-mail

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

I recently experienced a near *implosion* when I hooked my plastic soda
bottle up to the venturi on my powerhead for the first time. There was just
enough suction produced to partially collapse the flimsy plastic. Problem
was easily corrected by using a sturdier juice bottle. Other than that, no
problems of my own, or of others, that I know of in many years of using DIY
setups.

kush

Alan Silver
wrote in
message
...
In article , Jason
writes
Yes but I am looking for a blow valve as a precaution against the
possibility of the airstone getting clogged and causing my 2 liter
bottle to explode

If you are using a standard plastic soda/lemonade bottle, then I
wouldn't worry. They are designed to a) withstand far greater pressures
than your DIY CO2 set up can produce and b) allow excess gas to seep
through, preventing explosions.

Think about it, the gas produce by even mildly shaking a new lemonade
bottle is way more than any DIY CO2 set up can manage.

(I have seen pictures and read postings on this happening.)

Have you actually seen any confirmed reports of this happening ? In all
my years of using these newsgroups (about six or seven I think), I don't
remember ever seeing an actual confirmed report of explosion. I've seen
a few scare stories, plenty of hypothesis and so on, but no confirmed
reports.

And if they were any, it would almost certainly be due to a poor set up.
As mentioned above, a plastic bottle shouldn't gve any cause for worry.

Finally, my DIY CO2 set up has a plastic bung in the bottle. This can be
removed fairly easily (which is how I renew the mixture). If the
pressure were to build up in there, the bung would pop out long before
we got anywhere near an explosion. Again, a small amount of common sense
removes all fears from the scaremongers.

HTH

--
Alan Silver
Please remove the "furryferret" if replying by e-mail

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

Just a quick comment to those who run DIY CO2 underneath your tank. I think
everyone knows you should have a chack valve in this case to prevent
accidental siphoning. Now, the situation I'm about to propose is highly
unlikely but nevertheless very avoidable so I think it's worth mentioning. If
your tank somehow starts to siphon via your CO2 line, and the check valve is
installed BELOW the waterline of your tank, and is on the OUTSIDE of your tank
and the check valve fails or pops off, then possibly the tank could start
siphoning. I know this would probably never happen but to be safe I always
install the check valve inside the tank or above the waterline.

In article , "Jason"
wrote:
Yes but I am looking for a blow valve as a precaution against the
possibility of the airstone getting clogged and causing my 2 liter bottle to
explode (I have seen pictures and read postings on this happening.) Since I
have read interest from people I will describe my setup, and I will post a
picture of it later (although its pretty simple)

1) Get 2 liter bottle (I got a $.49 seltzer water bottle since its clear)
2) Drilled 1/4 hole in top of cap and silicon sealed tubing inside of it
3) Since my co2 reactor will be beneath my tank, I have installed a
check-valve on the line to prevent reverse-siphoning
4) Recipe I put in bottle is 6 cups water (~1.5 liters) 1 cup sugar, 1/4
tspn baking soda, and 1 tspn of yeast (NOT the instant yeast, but bakers
yeast) (I might add that the baking soda DOES help in the co2 production)

I run the airstone end of the tube down to the bottom of my aquariium and
anchor it there with one of my rocks.

For those of you who suggest running the co2 outtake to a powerhead... DONT
DO IT... this is for the simple fact that even a very small powerhead will
pull more air that the co2 reactor can provide, this results in a very good
probability that your 2 liter bottle will collapse from pressure. (Thus
sucking that nasty concoction into your tank and probably killing some
fish/plants) It is best to put the the airstone underneath a flow of water
so it circulates within the tank and has more time to diffuse.

I am making a new co2 reactor that uses an empty wine jug (glass) and has a
bit more solid structure.... This is the reason I am looking for a blow
valve is so I can make sure that too much pressure doesn't build... I might
just use a rubber stopper (with a copper tube coming out of it... easily
aquired at a scientific supply type store) and a check valve... but the
benefit would be a bigger water/sugar/yeast concoction that produces more
co2 :)

"Trygve Lillefosse" wrote in message
...
So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to get
a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI range)
I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just stumped on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

The pressure will not be able to build up since it will go out the
airstone. Would'nt be to concerned.

SEE YA !!!

Malawi, The Fisher King - Ruler Of The World
Conquering the world for YOU since 1972.



__
"Insert witty comment here."
-John

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

"kush" wrote in message ...
I recently experienced a near *implosion* when I hooked my plastic soda
bottle up to the venturi on my powerhead for the first time. There was just
enough suction produced to partially collapse the flimsy plastic. Problem
was easily corrected by using a sturdier juice bottle. Other than that, no
problems of my own, or of others, that I know of in many years of using DIY
setups.

kush

Here's what i do.

From the co2 reactor i have a tube that goes into a "bell" which is
the bottom couple of inches from a cola bottle, upturned in my tank.
The tubing from the reactor enters through the center of this bell at
the top. This is the standard way of doing things i think. What i have
also done is put a tube in the side of the bell that goes to the
venturi on my internal power filter. This does 2 things

1. As the bell fills up with co2, it reaches the point where the hose
from the venturi is, and the venturi sucks the co2 out of the bell to
a level just below that of the pipe in the side. This blasts tiny co2
bubbles throughout the tank which get absorbed.

2. When not sucking co2, the venturi pulls the water below the level
of the co2 through the pipe, thus providing the required water
movement on the co2/water boundry in the bell

Cue bad ascii art.....

tubing from co2 reactor
||
|| @@
/----||-----\ //===================||####### co2 BLAST!!
/ Co2 || \ || pipe to venturi -----
/______||_______\ // | |
/ || ====/ power filter
/ o || H20 \
o
Tube lower than co2 level = bubble counter

It works very well indeed, i get really high co2 levels for a diy,
about 25ppm in a 40 gallon

Hope that helps.

Mark

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

Jason I would suggest going to "the container store" in which they sell,
solvent bottles, ~2l glass bottles which I can attest as a chemist and
personal user for CO2 is the Best container for DIY CO2. Thankfully I can
get them for free.
I am making a new co2 reactor that uses an empty wine jug (glass) and has
a
bit more solid structure.... This is the reason I am looking for a blow
valve is so I can make sure that too much pressure doesn't build... I
might
just use a rubber stopper (with a copper tube coming out of it... easily
aquired at a scientific supply type store) and a check valve... but the
benefit would be a bigger water/sugar/yeast concoction that produces more
co2 :)

"Trygve Lillefosse" wrote in message
...
So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to
get
a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI
range)
I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just stumped
on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

The pressure will not be able to build up since it will go out the
airstone. Would'nt be to concerned.

SEE YA !!!

Malawi, The Fisher King - Ruler Of The World
Conquering the world for YOU since 1972.

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

Im sorry for not understanding, but what is a bung Im curious?
"Alan Silver"
wrote in
message
...
In article , Jason
writes
Yes but I am looking for a blow valve as a precaution against the
possibility of the airstone getting clogged and causing my 2 liter
bottle to explode

If you are using a standard plastic soda/lemonade bottle, then I
wouldn't worry. They are designed to a) withstand far greater pressures
than your DIY CO2 set up can produce and b) allow excess gas to seep
through, preventing explosions.

Think about it, the gas produce by even mildly shaking a new lemonade
bottle is way more than any DIY CO2 set up can manage.

(I have seen pictures and read postings on this happening.)

Have you actually seen any confirmed reports of this happening ? In all
my years of using these newsgroups (about six or seven I think), I don't
remember ever seeing an actual confirmed report of explosion. I've seen
a few scare stories, plenty of hypothesis and so on, but no confirmed
reports.

And if they were any, it would almost certainly be due to a poor set up.
As mentioned above, a plastic bottle shouldn't gve any cause for worry.

Finally, my DIY CO2 set up has a plastic bung in the bottle. This can be
removed fairly easily (which is how I renew the mixture). If the
pressure were to build up in there, the bung would pop out long before
we got anywhere near an explosion. Again, a small amount of common sense
removes all fears from the scaremongers.

HTH

--
Alan Silver
Please remove the "furryferret" if replying by e-mail

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's just a cork placed in a hole with the
intention that if the pressure in the bottle becomes too great the cork will
pop off before the whole thing explodes.

In article k.net, "M
Walczak" wrote:
Im sorry for not understanding, but what is a bung Im curious?
"Alan Silver"
wrote in
message
...
In article , Jason
writes
Yes but I am looking for a blow valve as a precaution against the
possibility of the airstone getting clogged and causing my 2 liter
bottle to explode

If you are using a standard plastic soda/lemonade bottle, then I
wouldn't worry. They are designed to a) withstand far greater pressures
than your DIY CO2 set up can produce and b) allow excess gas to seep
through, preventing explosions.

Think about it, the gas produce by even mildly shaking a new lemonade
bottle is way more than any DIY CO2 set up can manage.

(I have seen pictures and read postings on this happening.)

Have you actually seen any confirmed reports of this happening ? In all
my years of using these newsgroups (about six or seven I think), I don't
remember ever seeing an actual confirmed report of explosion. I've seen
a few scare stories, plenty of hypothesis and so on, but no confirmed
reports.

And if they were any, it would almost certainly be due to a poor set up.
As mentioned above, a plastic bottle shouldn't gve any cause for worry.

Finally, my DIY CO2 set up has a plastic bung in the bottle. This can be
removed fairly easily (which is how I renew the mixture). If the
pressure were to build up in there, the bung would pop out long before
we got anywhere near an explosion. Again, a small amount of common sense
removes all fears from the scaremongers.

HTH

--
Alan Silver
Please remove the "furryferret" if replying by e-mail




__
"Insert witty comment here."
-John

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

"Bung" is Brit-speak for "cork".

kush

M Walczak wrote in message
hlink.net...
Im sorry for not understanding, but what is a bung Im curious?
"Alan Silver"
wrote in
message

...
In article , Jason
writes
Yes but I am looking for a blow valve as a precaution against the
possibility of the airstone getting clogged and causing my 2 liter
bottle to explode

If you are using a standard plastic soda/lemonade bottle, then I
wouldn't worry. They are designed to a) withstand far greater pressures
than your DIY CO2 set up can produce and b) allow excess gas to seep
through, preventing explosions.

Think about it, the gas produce by even mildly shaking a new lemonade
bottle is way more than any DIY CO2 set up can manage.

(I have seen pictures and read postings on this happening.)

Have you actually seen any confirmed reports of this happening ? In all
my years of using these newsgroups (about six or seven I think), I don't
remember ever seeing an actual confirmed report of explosion. I've seen
a few scare stories, plenty of hypothesis and so on, but no confirmed
reports.

And if they were any, it would almost certainly be due to a poor set up.
As mentioned above, a plastic bottle shouldn't gve any cause for worry.

Finally, my DIY CO2 set up has a plastic bung in the bottle. This can be
removed fairly easily (which is how I renew the mixture). If the
pressure were to build up in there, the bung would pop out long before
we got anywhere near an explosion. Again, a small amount of common sense
removes all fears from the scaremongers.

HTH

--
Alan Silver
Please remove the "furryferret" if replying by e-mail

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

Mr. Walczak... Thanks for the tip! :) I'll go find "the container store" and
see if I can get an appropriately sized bottle... do you by chance know of a
website they may have so I can find the store nearest me? Or possibly order
online? Thanks again!

-Jason

"M Walczak" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Jason I would suggest going to "the container store" in which they sell,
solvent bottles, ~2l glass bottles which I can attest as a chemist and
personal user for CO2 is the Best container for DIY CO2. Thankfully I can
get them for free.
I am making a new co2 reactor that uses an empty wine jug (glass) and
has
a
bit more solid structure.... This is the reason I am looking for a blow
valve is so I can make sure that too much pressure doesn't build... I
might
just use a rubber stopper (with a copper tube coming out of it... easily
aquired at a scientific supply type store) and a check valve... but the
benefit would be a bigger water/sugar/yeast concoction that produces
more
co2 :)

"Trygve Lillefosse" wrote in message
...
So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to
get
a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI
range)
I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just
stumped
on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

The pressure will not be able to build up since it will go out the
airstone. Would'nt be to concerned.

SEE YA !!!

Malawi, The Fisher King - Ruler Of The World
Conquering the world for YOU since 1972.

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

A champagne bottle is designed to contain very high pressure. A "magnum"
should be more than adequate. And think of the fun you'll have collecting
the construction materials. I think I should pop over to the "container"
store right away and select an appropriately sized bottle.

;^D

chet


"Jason" wrote in message
. com...
Mr. Walczak... Thanks for the tip! :) I'll go find "the container store"
and
see if I can get an appropriately sized bottle... do you by chance know of
a
website they may have so I can find the store nearest me?

snip

I am making a new co2 reactor that uses an empty wine jug (glass) and

snip

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wiggywacker wrote:

Do you think it's ok that the outlet of the co2 concoction gets piped into
the inlet of an air pump?

That's what I've just done today...can't find an easier way to get the co2
into the tank otherwise. Actually I've used two pieces of tubing out from
the bottle and it rests underneath the air pump near the inlet, and I
removed the air filter too to give easier intake.

Somehow I doubt that slightly enriching the air being blown into the tank with
CO2 is going to make much of a difference.


The powerhead is internal =/
But I've ordered a special valve that will suck air and mix it in a chamber
with the water from the outlet, and it will jet very fine bubbles into the
aquarium...so I think I can do it with the co2 going into the valve
directly. The valve is called an "Air Ventura" from Juwel
www.juwelaquarium.de

This idea conjures up visions of collapsed bottles and yeasty mixtures being
sucked into the ventura. Better find one of those magnum champagne bottles for
this project.

Scott




"kush" wrote in message
...
Plans? We don't need no steenkin' plans!

Poke a hole in the cap of a 2-liter soda bottle, insert some tubing and
seal it with aquarium sealant. Wait a couple of days for it to set. Put
1.5 cups of sugar, 1/2 tsp. yeast and a pinch of baking soda (optional) in
the bottle and fill to the shoulder with warm-not-hot water. Shake
vigorously. Screw the cap on the bottle and insert the other end of the
tube wherever you want the CO2 to go i.e., filter intake, powerhead,
airstone, diffusing chamber. Wait an hour or so for the bubbles to start.
Lasts approximately two weeks.

If the bottle is going to be lower than the tank, for instance in a
cabinet
underneath, you probably want to put a one-way valve on the tubing.

kush

Phil Williamson wrote in message
...
can you send me your plans and possibly a picture of your co2 injector?

Regards,

Phil..

"Jason @hotmail.com" jasonjudkinsspamremoval wrote in message
. com...
Hey folks, I built my DIY yeast co2 injector for my 63 gal tank, it
works
great! just used a 2 liter bottle, tubing, fine airstone w/ check
valve...
Each concoction produces co2 for about a week and a half... I am very
happy
with it :)

So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to
get
a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI
range)
I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just stumped
on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

-Jason







--

Scott Lewis

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

LOL

I have never collapsed a 2 liter pop bottle with the venturi of a powerhead.
I would rather have the bubble go through the rotor blades of the powerhead
as it dices up the bubbles much better. I use a penguin 600R and route the
airline tubing into the end of the sponge filter. This works great for the
75Gal tank I have right now.

I have also used the intake of an aquaclear mini - 200 but the sound of the
bubbles being diced is more than I can handle.

If you have a tank over 50 gallons I would recommend using a 1 gal apple
juice plastic bottle. The plastic is thick and the cap has a good seal to
it.

The amount of yeast is not very important to the mixture as the amount of
sugar and water is. The amount of sugar can be used as a control over the
multiplication of the yeast spores. The wall that you are fighting against
is when the water becomes toxic with alcohol. Therefore I add about a 1 cup
sugar to start with and then feed the mixture each week a new 1/2 cup of
sugar. I am on week 5-6 and the mixture is still going but reduced in
production.

My question would be if one removed the water mixture and retained the yeast
spore could one refill the mixture with "clean" water and fresh sugar to
restart it? Would by retaining only the most alcohol resistant spores would
one gain production over the long term?



"Jason" wrote in message
.com...
Yes but I am looking for a blow valve as a precaution against the
possibility of the airstone getting clogged and causing my 2 liter bottle
to
explode (I have seen pictures and read postings on this happening.) Since
I
have read interest from people I will describe my setup, and I will post a
picture of it later (although its pretty simple)

1) Get 2 liter bottle (I got a $.49 seltzer water bottle since its clear)
2) Drilled 1/4 hole in top of cap and silicon sealed tubing inside of it
3) Since my co2 reactor will be beneath my tank, I have installed a
check-valve on the line to prevent reverse-siphoning
4) Recipe I put in bottle is 6 cups water (~1.5 liters) 1 cup sugar, 1/4
tspn baking soda, and 1 tspn of yeast (NOT the instant yeast, but bakers
yeast) (I might add that the baking soda DOES help in the co2 production)

I run the airstone end of the tube down to the bottom of my aquariium and
anchor it there with one of my rocks.

For those of you who suggest running the co2 outtake to a powerhead...
DONT
DO IT... this is for the simple fact that even a very small powerhead will
pull more air that the co2 reactor can provide, this results in a very
good
probability that your 2 liter bottle will collapse from pressure. (Thus
sucking that nasty concoction into your tank and probably killing some
fish/plants) It is best to put the the airstone underneath a flow of water
so it circulates within the tank and has more time to diffuse.

I am making a new co2 reactor that uses an empty wine jug (glass) and has
a
bit more solid structure.... This is the reason I am looking for a blow
valve is so I can make sure that too much pressure doesn't build... I
might
just use a rubber stopper (with a copper tube coming out of it... easily
aquired at a scientific supply type store) and a check valve... but the
benefit would be a bigger water/sugar/yeast concoction that produces more
co2 :)

"Trygve Lillefosse" wrote in message
...
So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to
get
a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI
range)
I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just stumped
on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

The pressure will not be able to build up since it will go out the
airstone. Would'nt be to concerned.

SEE YA !!!

Malawi, The Fisher King - Ruler Of The World
Conquering the world for YOU since 1972.

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

Sounds like it would work to me...alchy is lighter than water, right, so if you
removed the water above the yeast/sugar crud at the bottom, I hink you would get
most of the alchohol. If you then add more water, this would be diluting the
alchohol levels, kind of like when you dilute nitrates in a tank....

I could be completely wrong though.
Rich

Da' Fishboy wrote:

LOL

I have never collapsed a 2 liter pop bottle with the venturi of a powerhead.
I would rather have the bubble go through the rotor blades of the powerhead
as it dices up the bubbles much better. I use a penguin 600R and route the
airline tubing into the end of the sponge filter. This works great for the
75Gal tank I have right now.

I have also used the intake of an aquaclear mini - 200 but the sound of the
bubbles being diced is more than I can handle.

If you have a tank over 50 gallons I would recommend using a 1 gal apple
juice plastic bottle. The plastic is thick and the cap has a good seal to
it.

The amount of yeast is not very important to the mixture as the amount of
sugar and water is. The amount of sugar can be used as a control over the
multiplication of the yeast spores. The wall that you are fighting against
is when the water becomes toxic with alcohol. Therefore I add about a 1 cup
sugar to start with and then feed the mixture each week a new 1/2 cup of
sugar. I am on week 5-6 and the mixture is still going but reduced in
production.

My question would be if one removed the water mixture and retained the yeast
spore could one refill the mixture with "clean" water and fresh sugar to
restart it? Would by retaining only the most alcohol resistant spores would
one gain production over the long term?

"Jason" wrote in message
.com...
Yes but I am looking for a blow valve as a precaution against the
possibility of the airstone getting clogged and causing my 2 liter bottle
to
explode (I have seen pictures and read postings on this happening.) Since
I
have read interest from people I will describe my setup, and I will post a
picture of it later (although its pretty simple)

1) Get 2 liter bottle (I got a $.49 seltzer water bottle since its clear)
2) Drilled 1/4 hole in top of cap and silicon sealed tubing inside of it
3) Since my co2 reactor will be beneath my tank, I have installed a
check-valve on the line to prevent reverse-siphoning
4) Recipe I put in bottle is 6 cups water (~1.5 liters) 1 cup sugar, 1/4
tspn baking soda, and 1 tspn of yeast (NOT the instant yeast, but bakers
yeast) (I might add that the baking soda DOES help in the co2 production)

I run the airstone end of the tube down to the bottom of my aquariium and
anchor it there with one of my rocks.

For those of you who suggest running the co2 outtake to a powerhead...
DONT
DO IT... this is for the simple fact that even a very small powerhead will
pull more air that the co2 reactor can provide, this results in a very
good
probability that your 2 liter bottle will collapse from pressure. (Thus
sucking that nasty concoction into your tank and probably killing some
fish/plants) It is best to put the the airstone underneath a flow of water
so it circulates within the tank and has more time to diffuse.

I am making a new co2 reactor that uses an empty wine jug (glass) and has
a
bit more solid structure.... This is the reason I am looking for a blow
valve is so I can make sure that too much pressure doesn't build... I
might
just use a rubber stopper (with a copper tube coming out of it... easily
aquired at a scientific supply type store) and a check valve... but the
benefit would be a bigger water/sugar/yeast concoction that produces more
co2 :)

"Trygve Lillefosse" wrote in message
...
So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to
get
a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI
range)
I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just stumped
on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

The pressure will not be able to build up since it will go out the
airstone. Would'nt be to concerned.

SEE YA !!!

Malawi, The Fisher King - Ruler Of The World
Conquering the world for YOU since 1972.

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

You could get a DIY system to explode if you used a needle value to slow the
release of the CO2 production thereby developing a back pressure.

I am betting most cases are due to lack of a one way valve in the CO2
system.


"Alan Silver"
wrote in
message
...
In article , Jason
writes
Yes but I am looking for a blow valve as a precaution against the
possibility of the airstone getting clogged and causing my 2 liter
bottle to explode

If you are using a standard plastic soda/lemonade bottle, then I
wouldn't worry. They are designed to a) withstand far greater pressures
than your DIY CO2 set up can produce and b) allow excess gas to seep
through, preventing explosions.

Think about it, the gas produce by even mildly shaking a new lemonade
bottle is way more than any DIY CO2 set up can manage.

(I have seen pictures and read postings on this happening.)

Have you actually seen any confirmed reports of this happening ? In all
my years of using these newsgroups (about six or seven I think), I don't
remember ever seeing an actual confirmed report of explosion. I've seen
a few scare stories, plenty of hypothesis and so on, but no confirmed
reports.

And if they were any, it would almost certainly be due to a poor set up.
As mentioned above, a plastic bottle shouldn't gve any cause for worry.

Finally, my DIY CO2 set up has a plastic bung in the bottle. This can be
removed fairly easily (which is how I renew the mixture). If the
pressure were to build up in there, the bung would pop out long before
we got anywhere near an explosion. Again, a small amount of common sense
removes all fears from the scaremongers.

HTH

--
Alan Silver
Please remove the "furryferret" if replying by e-mail

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

I want a 2liter glass bottle me me me me I wanta I wanta!!!

grin


"M Walczak" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Jason I would suggest going to "the container store" in which they sell,
solvent bottles, ~2l glass bottles which I can attest as a chemist and
personal user for CO2 is the Best container for DIY CO2. Thankfully I can
get them for free.
I am making a new co2 reactor that uses an empty wine jug (glass) and
has
a
bit more solid structure.... This is the reason I am looking for a blow
valve is so I can make sure that too much pressure doesn't build... I
might
just use a rubber stopper (with a copper tube coming out of it... easily
aquired at a scientific supply type store) and a check valve... but the
benefit would be a bigger water/sugar/yeast concoction that produces
more
co2 :)

"Trygve Lillefosse" wrote in message
...
So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to
get
a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI
range)
I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just
stumped
on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

The pressure will not be able to build up since it will go out the
airstone. Would'nt be to concerned.

SEE YA !!!

Malawi, The Fisher King - Ruler Of The World
Conquering the world for YOU since 1972.

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

"Jason" wrote:

So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to get a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI range) I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just stumped on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

I've just finished making my DIY CO2 system also, though instead of an
airstone I've just got the end of the airline tube tucked below a
'bell' to capture the CO2. Not as efficient as some methods, I
understand, but it's got a lot going for it in the simplicity and
not-exploding department.

But while tinkering with it, I got to wondering about the same thing
your asking - blow valves. Since I'm using an open air line, I
*shouldn't* have to be concerned with the bottle exploding, but still.

So, I was wondering about simply adding a T in the airline very near
to the bottle, and putting a simple child's balloon on it. I can see
several benefits...

- it serves as a visual warning system, since a big red balloon is
likely to get your attention a lot faster than a lack of a bubble
every five seconds.

- it could also serve as a visual indicator that the CO2 system is
working, depending on the back-pressure in the system. It only takes a
small amount of pressure to fill a balloon to its normal 'unstretched'
shape, after which gas would vent into the tank as intended. When the
balloon fully deflated, you could see at a glance that there was no
longer gas being produced, and the yeast mixture needs replaced.

- a balloon over-full of CO2 should pop much more easily, and with far
less mess, than a 2-liter plastic bottle full of yeasty sugar water.

- when it pops, you not only get the alarm sound of the balloon
popping, you have an open path for any further gas to escape.

- balloons are really cheap

Of course, it would only work in a system where the pressure required
to push gas through the outlet (be it an airstone or just an open
airline) is less than required to fully inflate the balloon. Having
blown air through and airstone and into a balloon, I expect that would
be most systems.

A real DIY enthusiast might rig a pin near the balloon to encourage it
to pop upon reaching a certain size, rather than needing a critical
gas pressure. Even safer as a valve, since it would blow at a lower
pressure.


--
www.ericschreiber.com

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

I actually went out and bought one of those cheap 4liter bottles of wine and
dumped it out (a worthy $6 investment)... I use that now with a rubber
stopper I purchased at Ace hardware for about $1.50, and a piece of copper
tubing I also got at Ace for about .49/foot and it works great!

"Da' Fishboy" wrote in message
...
I want a 2liter glass bottle me me me me I wanta I wanta!!!

grin


"M Walczak" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Jason I would suggest going to "the container store" in which they sell,
solvent bottles, ~2l glass bottles which I can attest as a chemist and
personal user for CO2 is the Best container for DIY CO2. Thankfully I
can
get them for free.
I am making a new co2 reactor that uses an empty wine jug (glass) and
has
a
bit more solid structure.... This is the reason I am looking for a
blow
valve is so I can make sure that too much pressure doesn't build... I
might
just use a rubber stopper (with a copper tube coming out of it...
easily
aquired at a scientific supply type store) and a check valve... but
the
benefit would be a bigger water/sugar/yeast concoction that produces
more
co2 :)

"Trygve Lillefosse" wrote in message
...
So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place
to
get
a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI
range)
I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just
stumped
on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

The pressure will not be able to build up since it will go out the
airstone. Would'nt be to concerned.

SEE YA !!!

Malawi, The Fisher King - Ruler Of The World
Conquering the world for YOU since 1972.

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

Dude! What a kick-ass idea! I will try that... That's a good one, did you
find that in an article or did you think it up? I like it... very clever :)
Thanks again!

-Jason

"Eric Schreiber" wrote in message
...
"Jason" wrote:

So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to get
a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI range)
I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just stumped on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

I've just finished making my DIY CO2 system also, though instead of an
airstone I've just got the end of the airline tube tucked below a
'bell' to capture the CO2. Not as efficient as some methods, I
understand, but it's got a lot going for it in the simplicity and
not-exploding department.

But while tinkering with it, I got to wondering about the same thing
your asking - blow valves. Since I'm using an open air line, I
*shouldn't* have to be concerned with the bottle exploding, but still.

So, I was wondering about simply adding a T in the airline very near
to the bottle, and putting a simple child's balloon on it. I can see
several benefits...

- it serves as a visual warning system, since a big red balloon is
likely to get your attention a lot faster than a lack of a bubble
every five seconds.

- it could also serve as a visual indicator that the CO2 system is
working, depending on the back-pressure in the system. It only takes a
small amount of pressure to fill a balloon to its normal 'unstretched'
shape, after which gas would vent into the tank as intended. When the
balloon fully deflated, you could see at a glance that there was no
longer gas being produced, and the yeast mixture needs replaced.

- a balloon over-full of CO2 should pop much more easily, and with far
less mess, than a 2-liter plastic bottle full of yeasty sugar water.

- when it pops, you not only get the alarm sound of the balloon
popping, you have an open path for any further gas to escape.

- balloons are really cheap

Of course, it would only work in a system where the pressure required
to push gas through the outlet (be it an airstone or just an open
airline) is less than required to fully inflate the balloon. Having
blown air through and airstone and into a balloon, I expect that would
be most systems.

A real DIY enthusiast might rig a pin near the balloon to encourage it
to pop upon reaching a certain size, rather than needing a critical
gas pressure. Even safer as a valve, since it would blow at a lower
pressure.


--
www.ericschreiber.com

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

One issue may be that balloons seem to be semi-porous....how they deflate even
wihthout being popped over a couple days....you may end up lowering co2
production by a lot, by using this.

Jason Judkins wrote:

Dude! What a kick-ass idea! I will try that... That's a good one, did you
find that in an article or did you think it up? I like it... very clever :)
Thanks again!

-Jason

"Eric Schreiber" wrote in message
...
"Jason" wrote:

So here is my question: Does anyone know of a good or common place to get
a
blow valve? (I.e. a valve that will discharge within a certain PSI range)
I
would like to make my DIY system fault tolerant, but I am just stumped on
where to get the blow valve... any ideas? Thanks!

I've just finished making my DIY CO2 system also, though instead of an
airstone I've just got the end of the airline tube tucked below a
'bell' to capture the CO2. Not as efficient as some methods, I
understand, but it's got a lot going for it in the simplicity and
not-exploding department.

But while tinkering with it, I got to wondering about the same thing
your asking - blow valves. Since I'm using an open air line, I
*shouldn't* have to be concerned with the bottle exploding, but still.

So, I was wondering about simply adding a T in the airline very near
to the bottle, and putting a simple child's balloon on it. I can see
several benefits...

- it serves as a visual warning system, since a big red balloon is
likely to get your attention a lot faster than a lack of a bubble
every five seconds.

- it could also serve as a visual indicator that the CO2 system is
working, depending on the back-pressure in the system. It only takes a
small amount of pressure to fill a balloon to its normal 'unstretched'
shape, after which gas would vent into the tank as intended. When the
balloon fully deflated, you could see at a glance that there was no
longer gas being produced, and the yeast mixture needs replaced.

- a balloon over-full of CO2 should pop much more easily, and with far
less mess, than a 2-liter plastic bottle full of yeasty sugar water.

- when it pops, you not only get the alarm sound of the balloon
popping, you have an open path for any further gas to escape.

- balloons are really cheap

Of course, it would only work in a system where the pressure required
to push gas through the outlet (be it an airstone or just an open
airline) is less than required to fully inflate the balloon. Having
blown air through and airstone and into a balloon, I expect that would
be most systems.

A real DIY enthusiast might rig a pin near the balloon to encourage it
to pop upon reaching a certain size, rather than needing a critical
gas pressure. Even safer as a valve, since it would blow at a lower
pressure.


--
www.ericschreiber.com

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

Da' Fishboy wrote ...

I have never collapsed a 2 liter pop bottle with the venturi of a
powerhead.

I HAVE. Believe that it can be done. Now I use the juice bottle.

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

"Jason Judkins" wrote:

Dude! What a kick-ass idea! I will try that... That's a good one, did you
find that in an article or did you think it up? I like it... very clever :)
Thanks again!

I came up with it on my own, but I'm sure I'm not the first one to
think of it.


--
www.ericschreiber.com

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

Rich Conley wrote:

One issue may be that balloons seem to be semi-porous....how they deflate even
wihthout being popped over a couple days....you may end up lowering co2
production by a lot, by using this.

That's possible. Or it might not matter at all. Depends a lot on the
path of least resistance I'd guess. In a setup like mine, where the
airline is completely open at the end, I doubt very much that balloon
porosity (is that a word?) would have a significant impact. On a
system with some back pressure, such as with an airstone, it might.

Some enterprising DIYer will just have to try it out and let us know.
I'm an idea guy, not an implementor :)


--
www.ericschreiber.com

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

"Jason Judkins" wrote:

I actually went out and bought one of those cheap 4liter bottles of wine and
dumped it out

Heathen!

--
www.ericschreiber.com

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

Oh I had a couple of glasses while I was building this :)

"Eric Schreiber" wrote in message
...
"Jason Judkins" wrote:

I actually went out and bought one of those cheap 4liter bottles of wine
and
dumped it out

Heathen!

--
www.ericschreiber.com

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

One issue may be that balloons seem to be semi-porous....how they deflate even
wihthout being popped over a couple days....you may end up lowering co2
production by a lot, by using this.
That's possible. Or it might not matter at all. Depends a lot on the
path of least resistance I'd guess. In a setup like mine, where the
airline is completely open at the end, I doubt very much that balloon
porosity (is that a word?) would have a significant impact. On a
system with some back pressure, such as with an airstone, it might.

Have been thinking of a system a bit like this. Abandoned the baloon
Idea, mostly because it seemed unsafe if it was well fitted. Thought
it would hold more pressure than the rest of the system would cope
with.

So I thought of those artificial lungs they have at hospitals. Where
a container will be repeatfilled with air and compressed/repeat.

What if you have a cylinder, with a tight seal, and moving piston.
Like a syringe. When the pressure build up, the piston goes up, and
up, and up juuuust a litle (itsy bitsy) bit more. Until it meets a
small hole where some pressure is let out, and it sinks back a bit.

If this is done properly, you should be able to have a DIY Co2 system
with a pretty constant pressure.

The problem is offcourse to make this, and to make it cheaply of
household materials...

SEE YA !!!

Malawi, The Fisher King - Ruler Of The World
Conquering the world for YOU since 1972.

DIY Yeast method materials...
 

What if you have a cylinder, with a tight seal, and moving piston.
Like a syringe. When the pressure build up, the piston goes up, and
up, and up juuuust a litle (itsy bitsy) bit more. Until it meets a
small hole where some pressure is let out, and it sinks back a bit.

Started thinking... It might be possible with one of those
"inflatable" water tanks for camping. Pretty sturdy plastic, but
colapsable.

Could be done like this:
The container is fitted with a small walve, from a bikes air-hose(?),
whit a pin/stick that will press down the small needle when the
pressure builds up. (You could also saw away the edges on the walve,
so that the pin will be pressed down when it reaches f.in. a plate).

The container is placed inside a restricting container, so that it
behaves just like you want to at all times.
It could even be made so that there is a lid with tracks on, so that
it's always in the same position when it raises due to pressure.

Some weight is placed on top, so that the walve will only be lifted to
the "releaser" when the pressure is high enough. This should also mean
that you can decide what pressure you want, according to how mutch
weight there is on top.

The only expensive item here, would be the needle-walve that will
restrict the flow of Co2, and thusmaking the pressurization possible.

This may be a bit quirky explanation, and even poor english. Please
feel free to ask if there is something with this desciption you feel
is unclear.

Could also draw a scetch if anyone is interested in trying it out.

Hmm, I feel a bit genious today.:-)

SEE YA !!!

Malawi, The Fisher King - Ruler Of The World
Conquering the world for YOU since 1972.