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Tasslehoff 18-02-2003 11:36 AM

Amazon sword?
 
I've had my small compact(when I bought it) sword for 6 months now and it's
doubled in size and number of leaves but one of the older leaves has
died(completely brown). Should I trim this leaf and future dead ones near
the base or let it rot and fall off on its own.



LeighMo 18-02-2003 12:27 PM

Amazon sword?
 
I've had my small compact(when I bought it) sword for 6 months now and it's
doubled in size and number of leaves but one of the older leaves has
died(completely brown). Should I trim this leaf and future dead ones near
the base or let it rot and fall off on its own.


Trim it. I trim any leaves that start looking unattractive. The plant will
put out new ones.





Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

LeighMo 18-02-2003 12:27 PM

Amazon sword?
 
I've had my small compact(when I bought it) sword for 6 months now and it's
doubled in size and number of leaves but one of the older leaves has
died(completely brown). Should I trim this leaf and future dead ones near
the base or let it rot and fall off on its own.


Trim it. I trim any leaves that start looking unattractive. The plant will
put out new ones.





Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

linda mar 19-02-2003 12:54 AM

Amazon sword?
 
When trimming swords, sometimes I can't quite get to the base of the stem,
and end up leaving about 1" or so of the stub left, which eventually start
looking "rotting"

should I worry about this, and try to go back in and trim it closer to base
(I physically have trouble reaching it since the tank is too deep and either
I can't quite see what I'm cutting, or can't reach it)? or leave it as-is?

the sword plant is about 18" in height right now (very tall). tank is about
22" deep..

linda

"LeighMo" wrote in message
...
I've had my small compact(when I bought it) sword for 6 months now and

it's
doubled in size and number of leaves but one of the older leaves has
died(completely brown). Should I trim this leaf and future dead ones

near
the base or let it rot and fall off on its own.


Trim it. I trim any leaves that start looking unattractive. The plant

will
put out new ones.





Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/




linda mar 19-02-2003 12:54 AM

Amazon sword?
 
When trimming swords, sometimes I can't quite get to the base of the stem,
and end up leaving about 1" or so of the stub left, which eventually start
looking "rotting"

should I worry about this, and try to go back in and trim it closer to base
(I physically have trouble reaching it since the tank is too deep and either
I can't quite see what I'm cutting, or can't reach it)? or leave it as-is?

the sword plant is about 18" in height right now (very tall). tank is about
22" deep..

linda

"LeighMo" wrote in message
...
I've had my small compact(when I bought it) sword for 6 months now and

it's
doubled in size and number of leaves but one of the older leaves has
died(completely brown). Should I trim this leaf and future dead ones

near
the base or let it rot and fall off on its own.


Trim it. I trim any leaves that start looking unattractive. The plant

will
put out new ones.





Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/




Tasslehoff 19-02-2003 12:18 PM

Amazon sword?
 

"linda mar" wrote in message
...
When trimming swords, sometimes I can't quite get to the base of the stem,
and end up leaving about 1" or so of the stub left, which eventually start
looking "rotting"

should I worry about this, and try to go back in and trim it closer to

base
(I physically have trouble reaching it since the tank is too deep and

either
I can't quite see what I'm cutting, or can't reach it)? or leave it as-is?

the sword plant is about 18" in height right now (very tall). tank is

about
22" deep..

linda

If the plant is bigger and greener than when you first got it I probably
wouldn't worry too much about getting the whole stub although mine seemed
woody and almost garden fern like when I snipped the browning leaf. Could
this damage fishes slime coat/scales?


"LeighMo" wrote in message
...
I've had my small compact(when I bought it) sword for 6 months now and

it's
doubled in size and number of leaves but one of the older leaves has
died(completely brown). Should I trim this leaf and future dead ones

near
the base or let it rot and fall off on its own.


Trim it. I trim any leaves that start looking unattractive. The plant

will
put out new ones.


Leigh


Thanks Leigh.



Tasslehoff 19-02-2003 12:18 PM

Amazon sword?
 

"linda mar" wrote in message
...
When trimming swords, sometimes I can't quite get to the base of the stem,
and end up leaving about 1" or so of the stub left, which eventually start
looking "rotting"

should I worry about this, and try to go back in and trim it closer to

base
(I physically have trouble reaching it since the tank is too deep and

either
I can't quite see what I'm cutting, or can't reach it)? or leave it as-is?

the sword plant is about 18" in height right now (very tall). tank is

about
22" deep..

linda

If the plant is bigger and greener than when you first got it I probably
wouldn't worry too much about getting the whole stub although mine seemed
woody and almost garden fern like when I snipped the browning leaf. Could
this damage fishes slime coat/scales?


"LeighMo" wrote in message
...
I've had my small compact(when I bought it) sword for 6 months now and

it's
doubled in size and number of leaves but one of the older leaves has
died(completely brown). Should I trim this leaf and future dead ones

near
the base or let it rot and fall off on its own.


Trim it. I trim any leaves that start looking unattractive. The plant

will
put out new ones.


Leigh


Thanks Leigh.



kush 19-02-2003 05:53 PM

Amazon sword?
 

linda mar wrote ...

When trimming swords, sometimes I can't quite get to the base of the stem,
and end up leaving about 1" or so of the stub left, which ...


What happens, as the plant gets older, is that the new growth from the
center forces the old growth (and old prune scars) outward and downward so
that, eventually, the stubs of the outer leaves end up horizontal.
Typically, the build-up of sediment and detritus (at least in the wild)
covers it, roots emerge, and the crown of the plant is raised to a higher
position.



kush 19-02-2003 05:53 PM

Amazon sword?
 

linda mar wrote ...

When trimming swords, sometimes I can't quite get to the base of the stem,
and end up leaving about 1" or so of the stub left, which ...


What happens, as the plant gets older, is that the new growth from the
center forces the old growth (and old prune scars) outward and downward so
that, eventually, the stubs of the outer leaves end up horizontal.
Typically, the build-up of sediment and detritus (at least in the wild)
covers it, roots emerge, and the crown of the plant is raised to a higher
position.



LeighMo 20-02-2003 03:58 AM

Amazon sword?
 
When trimming swords, sometimes I can't quite get to the base of the stem,
and end up leaving about 1" or so of the stub left, which eventually start
looking "rotting"


It's unattractive, but it's not harmful. I sometimes leave long stubs when I'm
in a hurry (usually in the morning, heading for work). No time to take off my
shirt so it doesn't get wet when I'm up to my armpit in the tank. g
Sometimes I go back and trim them shorter later, sometimes I leave them . If
I'm planning to take a photo of the tank, I usually trim all the stems down as
far as I can, just so it looks nicer.


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

LeighMo 20-02-2003 03:58 AM

Amazon sword?
 
When trimming swords, sometimes I can't quite get to the base of the stem,
and end up leaving about 1" or so of the stub left, which eventually start
looking "rotting"


It's unattractive, but it's not harmful. I sometimes leave long stubs when I'm
in a hurry (usually in the morning, heading for work). No time to take off my
shirt so it doesn't get wet when I'm up to my armpit in the tank. g
Sometimes I go back and trim them shorter later, sometimes I leave them . If
I'm planning to take a photo of the tank, I usually trim all the stems down as
far as I can, just so it looks nicer.


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

LM 21-02-2003 03:51 AM

Amazon sword?
 
Hi everybody,

thanks for the info... one more question on amazon sword while we're still
on the topic... It's been about 3-4 weeks since I planted them in my tank
(37G with 55W CF. tad on the low side). all my new leaves of the amazons
look somewhat translucent. Is this normal? or is it missing some
nutrients?

the color looks a little light green, but that may be due to the lightbulb
color tho.. (5400k). My crypts, java fern, lysmachias, foxtail, E. Ozelot
is doing fairly well (all new leaves are red), so far...

my tank is very soft (based on city water info), and alkaline (pH~8
according to my LFS. I've just ordered my own test kit... hope it will
arrive soon). I've been dropping Flourish about 0.5ml every few days. I
also did order some root tabs, in hopes of giving the root feeders a bit of
a boost.

linda

"LeighMo" wrote in message
...
When trimming swords, sometimes I can't quite get to the base of the

stem,
and end up leaving about 1" or so of the stub left, which eventually

start
looking "rotting"


It's unattractive, but it's not harmful. I sometimes leave long stubs

when I'm
in a hurry (usually in the morning, heading for work). No time to take

off my
shirt so it doesn't get wet when I'm up to my armpit in the tank. g
Sometimes I go back and trim them shorter later, sometimes I leave them .

If
I'm planning to take a photo of the tank, I usually trim all the stems

down as
far as I can, just so it looks nicer.


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/




LM 21-02-2003 03:51 AM

Amazon sword?
 
Hi everybody,

thanks for the info... one more question on amazon sword while we're still
on the topic... It's been about 3-4 weeks since I planted them in my tank
(37G with 55W CF. tad on the low side). all my new leaves of the amazons
look somewhat translucent. Is this normal? or is it missing some
nutrients?

the color looks a little light green, but that may be due to the lightbulb
color tho.. (5400k). My crypts, java fern, lysmachias, foxtail, E. Ozelot
is doing fairly well (all new leaves are red), so far...

my tank is very soft (based on city water info), and alkaline (pH~8
according to my LFS. I've just ordered my own test kit... hope it will
arrive soon). I've been dropping Flourish about 0.5ml every few days. I
also did order some root tabs, in hopes of giving the root feeders a bit of
a boost.

linda

"LeighMo" wrote in message
...
When trimming swords, sometimes I can't quite get to the base of the

stem,
and end up leaving about 1" or so of the stub left, which eventually

start
looking "rotting"


It's unattractive, but it's not harmful. I sometimes leave long stubs

when I'm
in a hurry (usually in the morning, heading for work). No time to take

off my
shirt so it doesn't get wet when I'm up to my armpit in the tank. g
Sometimes I go back and trim them shorter later, sometimes I leave them .

If
I'm planning to take a photo of the tank, I usually trim all the stems

down as
far as I can, just so it looks nicer.


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/




Tasslehoff 21-02-2003 09:15 AM

Amazon sword?
 
The root tabs will help a lot as your sword is prolly lacking potassium and
iron as they grow massive root systems which are awesome. When I uprooted
mine a month back to convert from a UGF to a planted tank it looked like
white hygrophilia difformis(wisteria) growing under the gravel.
I think it may also depend on the species. The amazon swords at my LFS are
huge and expensive AUS$30 but have a sickly transparent thin look to them
prolly because of inadequate lighting for starters(halogen .4W/G). My mail
order sword $4 from 6 months ago is comparatively small but has many quite
thick lush green leaves at 2.25W/G & Co2 with daily additions of trace/Fe
and K fertiliser and it's getting bigger.
Calcium Carbonate CaCO3 is fairly easy to come by whether it be sold as
granules/crushed coral etc to increase your gH but make sure of your fishies
gH recommendations as discus and some tetra species prefer soft water.

"LM" wrote in message
...
Hi everybody,

thanks for the info... one more question on amazon sword while we're

still
on the topic... It's been about 3-4 weeks since I planted them in my tank
(37G with 55W CF. tad on the low side). all my new leaves of the amazons
look somewhat translucent. Is this normal? or is it missing some
nutrients?

the color looks a little light green, but that may be due to the lightbulb
color tho.. (5400k). My crypts, java fern, lysmachias, foxtail, E.

Ozelot
is doing fairly well (all new leaves are red), so far...

my tank is very soft (based on city water info), and alkaline (pH~8
according to my LFS. I've just ordered my own test kit... hope it will
arrive soon). I've been dropping Flourish about 0.5ml every few days. I
also did order some root tabs, in hopes of giving the root feeders a bit

of
a boost.

linda

"LeighMo" wrote in message
...
When trimming swords, sometimes I can't quite get to the base of the

stem,
and end up leaving about 1" or so of the stub left, which eventually

start
looking "rotting"


It's unattractive, but it's not harmful. I sometimes leave long stubs

when I'm
in a hurry (usually in the morning, heading for work). No time to take

off my
shirt so it doesn't get wet when I'm up to my armpit in the tank. g
Sometimes I go back and trim them shorter later, sometimes I leave them

..
If
I'm planning to take a photo of the tank, I usually trim all the stems

down as
far as I can, just so it looks nicer.


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/






Tasslehoff 21-02-2003 09:15 AM

Amazon sword?
 
The root tabs will help a lot as your sword is prolly lacking potassium and
iron as they grow massive root systems which are awesome. When I uprooted
mine a month back to convert from a UGF to a planted tank it looked like
white hygrophilia difformis(wisteria) growing under the gravel.
I think it may also depend on the species. The amazon swords at my LFS are
huge and expensive AUS$30 but have a sickly transparent thin look to them
prolly because of inadequate lighting for starters(halogen .4W/G). My mail
order sword $4 from 6 months ago is comparatively small but has many quite
thick lush green leaves at 2.25W/G & Co2 with daily additions of trace/Fe
and K fertiliser and it's getting bigger.
Calcium Carbonate CaCO3 is fairly easy to come by whether it be sold as
granules/crushed coral etc to increase your gH but make sure of your fishies
gH recommendations as discus and some tetra species prefer soft water.

"LM" wrote in message
...
Hi everybody,

thanks for the info... one more question on amazon sword while we're

still
on the topic... It's been about 3-4 weeks since I planted them in my tank
(37G with 55W CF. tad on the low side). all my new leaves of the amazons
look somewhat translucent. Is this normal? or is it missing some
nutrients?

the color looks a little light green, but that may be due to the lightbulb
color tho.. (5400k). My crypts, java fern, lysmachias, foxtail, E.

Ozelot
is doing fairly well (all new leaves are red), so far...

my tank is very soft (based on city water info), and alkaline (pH~8
according to my LFS. I've just ordered my own test kit... hope it will
arrive soon). I've been dropping Flourish about 0.5ml every few days. I
also did order some root tabs, in hopes of giving the root feeders a bit

of
a boost.

linda

"LeighMo" wrote in message
...
When trimming swords, sometimes I can't quite get to the base of the

stem,
and end up leaving about 1" or so of the stub left, which eventually

start
looking "rotting"


It's unattractive, but it's not harmful. I sometimes leave long stubs

when I'm
in a hurry (usually in the morning, heading for work). No time to take

off my
shirt so it doesn't get wet when I'm up to my armpit in the tank. g
Sometimes I go back and trim them shorter later, sometimes I leave them

..
If
I'm planning to take a photo of the tank, I usually trim all the stems

down as
far as I can, just so it looks nicer.


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/






LeighMo 21-02-2003 11:42 AM

Amazon sword?
 
It's been about 3-4 weeks since I planted them in my tank
(37G with 55W CF. tad on the low side). all my new leaves of the amazons
look somewhat translucent. Is this normal? or is it missing some
nutrients?


It's normal for new leaves to be translucent, but they should darken as they
mature and get bigger.

Amazon swords like to be fed through their roots, so you might want to give
them a Flourish tab and a little piece of Jobe's spike once in awhile.

my tank is very soft (based on city water info), and alkaline (pH~8
according to my LFS.


That's odd. Soft water is usually acid, hard water is usually alkaline.


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

LeighMo 21-02-2003 11:42 AM

Amazon sword?
 
It's been about 3-4 weeks since I planted them in my tank
(37G with 55W CF. tad on the low side). all my new leaves of the amazons
look somewhat translucent. Is this normal? or is it missing some
nutrients?


It's normal for new leaves to be translucent, but they should darken as they
mature and get bigger.

Amazon swords like to be fed through their roots, so you might want to give
them a Flourish tab and a little piece of Jobe's spike once in awhile.

my tank is very soft (based on city water info), and alkaline (pH~8
according to my LFS.


That's odd. Soft water is usually acid, hard water is usually alkaline.


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

linda mar 21-02-2003 07:48 PM

Amazon sword?
 
Hello,

"LeighMo" wrote in message
It's normal for new leaves to be translucent, but they should darken as

they
mature and get bigger.

Amazon swords like to be fed through their roots, so you might want to

give
them a Flourish tab and a little piece of Jobe's spike once in awhile.


ok. I'll do that and hope it does darken.

my tank is very soft (based on city water info), and alkaline (pH~8
according to my LFS.


That's odd. Soft water is usually acid, hard water is usually alkaline.


I know. We think that the water department is artificially changing just
the pH to preserve the pipeline, or something. Once I get my pH test kits,
I'll be monitoring pH at different time of day/week to see how badly they
fluctuate over the course of the week/day (longer the water sits around in
the pipe, the lower the pH, probably.. so sunday and saturday mornings may
have lower pH while weekday mornings, pH may be high since everybody will
be taking showers and the water doesn't stay stangnat long)...

does alkaline water hurt the swords? I have sof****er fish, so I probably
won't be changing the hardness that it is, but have wondered if I should
buffer it... but if I can get away without buffering (makes water change
more labor intensive) I'd like to opt for that...

linda



linda mar 21-02-2003 07:48 PM

Amazon sword?
 
Hello,

"LeighMo" wrote in message
It's normal for new leaves to be translucent, but they should darken as

they
mature and get bigger.

Amazon swords like to be fed through their roots, so you might want to

give
them a Flourish tab and a little piece of Jobe's spike once in awhile.


ok. I'll do that and hope it does darken.

my tank is very soft (based on city water info), and alkaline (pH~8
according to my LFS.


That's odd. Soft water is usually acid, hard water is usually alkaline.


I know. We think that the water department is artificially changing just
the pH to preserve the pipeline, or something. Once I get my pH test kits,
I'll be monitoring pH at different time of day/week to see how badly they
fluctuate over the course of the week/day (longer the water sits around in
the pipe, the lower the pH, probably.. so sunday and saturday mornings may
have lower pH while weekday mornings, pH may be high since everybody will
be taking showers and the water doesn't stay stangnat long)...

does alkaline water hurt the swords? I have sof****er fish, so I probably
won't be changing the hardness that it is, but have wondered if I should
buffer it... but if I can get away without buffering (makes water change
more labor intensive) I'd like to opt for that...

linda



LeighMo 21-02-2003 10:39 PM

Amazon sword?
 

I know. We think that the water department is artificially changing just
the pH to preserve the pipeline, or something.


They do that. However, when they do, the pH change is generally temporary.
Try measuring your pH after the water has sat in a cup overnight. Or after 15
minutes of vigorous aeration. The pH right out of the tap isn't necessarily
your real pH. Your real pH may be higher or lower.

does alkaline water hurt the swords?


No. They prefer hard, alkaline water.

I wouldn't bother trying to change your pH. Both your plants and your fish
will adapt.



Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

LeighMo 21-02-2003 10:39 PM

Amazon sword?
 

I know. We think that the water department is artificially changing just
the pH to preserve the pipeline, or something.


They do that. However, when they do, the pH change is generally temporary.
Try measuring your pH after the water has sat in a cup overnight. Or after 15
minutes of vigorous aeration. The pH right out of the tap isn't necessarily
your real pH. Your real pH may be higher or lower.

does alkaline water hurt the swords?


No. They prefer hard, alkaline water.

I wouldn't bother trying to change your pH. Both your plants and your fish
will adapt.



Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

linda mar 20-04-2003 06:23 AM

Amazon sword?
 
Hello,

"LeighMo" wrote in message
It's normal for new leaves to be translucent, but they should darken as

they
mature and get bigger.

Amazon swords like to be fed through their roots, so you might want to

give
them a Flourish tab and a little piece of Jobe's spike once in awhile.


ok. I'll do that and hope it does darken.

my tank is very soft (based on city water info), and alkaline (pH~8
according to my LFS.


That's odd. Soft water is usually acid, hard water is usually alkaline.


I know. We think that the water department is artificially changing just
the pH to preserve the pipeline, or something. Once I get my pH test kits,
I'll be monitoring pH at different time of day/week to see how badly they
fluctuate over the course of the week/day (longer the water sits around in
the pipe, the lower the pH, probably.. so sunday and saturday mornings may
have lower pH while weekday mornings, pH may be high since everybody will
be taking showers and the water doesn't stay stangnat long)...

does alkaline water hurt the swords? I have sof****er fish, so I probably
won't be changing the hardness that it is, but have wondered if I should
buffer it... but if I can get away without buffering (makes water change
more labor intensive) I'd like to opt for that...

linda




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