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Old 05-03-2004, 04:46 AM
Ken Pinard
 
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Default DIY CO2 system question (Correct calculations)

Morten,
Sorry, I meant to say the Baking soda would raise the pH. So much for
typing and installing operating systems at the same time

Thanks again for the information I truely enjoyed it.

Ken

"Morten" wrote in message
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Ken,

"Ken Pinard" wrote in message
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Hi nice explanation, I do have a couple of questions. Mostly for my own
curious mind.

Since Baking Soda is Basic will it not raise the pH? I know we used it

in
chemistry to neutralize the acids (even the stuff I dropped all of the
floor, what a mess ;o)

But since Baking Soda raises the kH, the amount of CO2 that is held in

the
water solution will be higher. Thus creating carbonic acid. Which will

lower
the pH.



You are off course right, Baking Soda is a base and will raise the pH in

the
solution which is why it's taking part of the buffer with the carbonic

acid
that's gets created when the CO2 gets into solution.

What I was trying to say was that if the pH gets to high the yeast will

die
so be carefull if you have very soft water when adding Baking Soda to the
water / sugar / yeast mixture if you insist on using it.


As I ponder the effect of alcohol on yeast, while I drink a little wine,

I
am wondering what additive can combine with alcohol that will not kill

the
yeast or react with CO2? I imagine that the idea has been explored

before.
I just was curious.


Hmmm, you could properly remove some of the alcohol using activated

charcoal
to absorb it, but I'm not sure how the yeast will react to that!


I would think that if you were trying to prolong the proceess you could
lover the temperature a little because the enzymes that the yeast are

using
to break down the sugar to alcohol + CO2 are temperature dependent ie,
higher temperature = faster reaction, but keep in mind that the rest of

the
yeast cell still has to be kept alive so there would be some limitations

as
to low you could go before the yeast dies / hybernates.

Anyone up for some experimentation, something like a controlled

temperature
of the reactor and a measurement of the speed of the process. Speed could

be
determined by weighing the bottle at start and then daily on a precise

scale
because the CO2 will leave the system (reactor) and decrease the weight of
the reactor.


Any takers?




I've weighed the last bottle I set up when it was started last weekend but

I
havent done anything to control the temperature, but because I know that

the
final alcohol content shouldn't kill the yeast I can assume that all the
sugar will be converted to alcohol and CO2 by weighing the bottle from

time
to time I can find when the reaction is finished.



It has been a very long day and I should properly have waited til I was a
little bit more clear headed than now :-)


Regards

Morten






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