OT - posts missing on outlook express
 

Hey guys, I just noticed that if I check this newsgroup with outlook
express, it doesn't show all the messages as when I check using Google.
Someone replied to a post I wrote and I can see it on Google but not with
outlook.

Anybody know what's going on? Thanks

Allyb wrote:
Hey guys, I just noticed that if I check this newsgroup with outlook
express, it doesn't show all the messages as when I check using Google.
Someone replied to a post I wrote and I can see it on Google but not with
outlook.

Anybody know what's going on? Thanks

They simply expired... probably.

And... I suggest You rid yourself of the nuisance that is Outlook
Express. You'll thank me in the long run... probably ;-)

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Allyb wrote:

Hey guys, I just noticed that if I check this newsgroup with outlook
express, it doesn't show all the messages as when I check using
Google. Someone replied to a post I wrote and I can see it on Google
but not with outlook.

Anybody know what's going on? Thanks

This is a fairly common problem with Outlook Express. Do a Google
search for Outlook Express, Newsgroup, Messages, Disappear, and you'll
probably find the solution. It involves resetting OE somehow... I don't
know the details, since I don't use OE for news reading.

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In the Options dialog box (Click on the Tools menu and then Options) there
is a check box under the Maintenance tab. It is checked by default and will
delete your messages after downloading them after the specified number of
days. Either uncheck it, or change the number of days. I think the default
is only 5 days. HTH

Susan

"Allyb" wrote in message
...
Hey guys, I just noticed that if I check this newsgroup with outlook
express, it doesn't show all the messages as when I check using Google.
Someone replied to a post I wrote and I can see it on Google but not with
outlook.

Anybody know what's going on? Thanks

Good suggestion, but I just made the post last night, and the response was
today, so no dice. Mine is set to 5 days as you said

"Susan" wrote in message
news:9r6wd.505840$wV.270121@attbi_s54...
In the Options dialog box (Click on the Tools menu and then Options) there
is a check box under the Maintenance tab. It is checked by default and
will
delete your messages after downloading them after the specified number of
days. Either uncheck it, or change the number of days. I think the default
is only 5 days. HTH

Susan

"Allyb" wrote in message
...
Hey guys, I just noticed that if I check this newsgroup with outlook
express, it doesn't show all the messages as when I check using Google.
Someone replied to a post I wrote and I can see it on Google but not
with
outlook.

Anybody know what's going on? Thanks

Allyb wrote:

Good suggestion, but I just made the post last night, and the
response was today, so no dice. Mine is set to 5 days as you said

Try unsubscribing from and resubscribing to the group.


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Didn't work :(

"Eric Schreiber" eric at ericschreiber dot com wrote in message
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Allyb wrote:

Good suggestion, but I just made the post last night, and the
response was today, so no dice. Mine is set to 5 days as you said

Try unsubscribing from and resubscribing to the group.


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You're right about outlook. I'm complacent. The messages in question
couldn't have expired, it was less than a day old...

"Steen Suder, privat" wrote in message
...
Allyb wrote:
Hey guys, I just noticed that if I check this newsgroup with outlook
express, it doesn't show all the messages as when I check using Google.
Someone replied to a post I wrote and I can see it on Google but not
with
outlook.

Anybody know what's going on? Thanks

They simply expired... probably.

And... I suggest You rid yourself of the nuisance that is Outlook
Express. You'll thank me in the long run... probably ;-)

--
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Prøv at forestille dig, at du er en anden, og læs så din artikel igennem
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dig, så godt du kan. På den måde forstås det lettere, hvad du skriver.

"Allyb" wrote in message
...
Hey guys, I just noticed that if I check this newsgroup with outlook
express, it doesn't show all the messages as when I check using Google.
Someone replied to a post I wrote and I can see it on Google but not with
outlook.

Anybody know what's going on? Thanks




It is a problem with the news server you are using with outlook. It is not
outlooks fault. There are a lot of news servers that just don't keep up.
My internet provider just recently switched from supernews to another
service and I have been having all kinds of problems like that now.

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Margolis wrote:

It is a problem with the news server you are using with outlook. It
is not outlooks fault. There are a lot of news servers that just
don't keep up.

Except that, as I understand it, she's looking for a message that *she*
posted herself, via that news server. Propogation issues can indeed
cause weird things to happen, but that doesn't apply to messages posted
at the news server in question.

The problem Allyb is reporting is pretty common among people reading
newsgroups with OE.

The best solution is to switch to a different news reader. There are a
number of perfectly good free ones available.


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Maybe it's the sychronization settings? Click on the news folder (mine is
netnews.comcast.net), and check the synchronization settings for your news
groups you subscribe to. If it says "New Messages Only" then maybe that is
why. You can highlight a newsgroup in the list of groups you are subscribing
to, and click on the Synchronization Settings button to change the setting
for a newsgroup. (Or just right-click on the name of the newsgroup in the
folder list and choose Synchronization Settings from the menu that pops up.)

Otherwise, it is probably a problem with your server as someone else
suggested.

Regards,
Susan

"Allyb" wrote in message
...
Hey guys, I just noticed that if I check this newsgroup with outlook
express, it doesn't show all the messages as when I check using Google.
Someone replied to a post I wrote and I can see it on Google but not with
outlook.

Anybody know what's going on? Thanks

Well, I've sent an email to my isp to see what they can do. I've come to
the conclusion that it is the news server. Thanks for all your posts!
Allison

"Eric Schreiber" eric at ericschreiber dot com wrote in message
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Margolis wrote:

It is a problem with the news server you are using with outlook. It
is not outlooks fault. There are a lot of news servers that just
don't keep up.

Except that, as I understand it, she's looking for a message that *she*
posted herself, via that news server. Propogation issues can indeed
cause weird things to happen, but that doesn't apply to messages posted
at the news server in question.

The problem Allyb is reporting is pretty common among people reading
newsgroups with OE.

The best solution is to switch to a different news reader. There are a
number of perfectly good free ones available.


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www.ericschreiber.com

In article , Allyb wrote:
Well, I've sent an email to my isp to see what they can do. I've come to
the conclusion that it is the news server. Thanks for all your posts!
Allison

OE has a known problem in this area and other people can read your
posts. Why do you think it's the ISP?

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"Richard" wrote in message ...

OE has a known problem in this area and other people can read your
posts. Why do you think it's the ISP?



because it is. It is not an OE problem. I am having the same problem on
the new news server my isp just switched too a couple of weeks ago. Some of
the posts I make DO NOT show up on the server I posted them to. But if I go
to another server I keep as a backup they are there. This problem started
with the new server, and ONLY happens on that server. This new server has
all kinds of problems. Sometimes answers show up before questions,
sometimes a post may show up a dozen times, sometimes not at all.

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Margolis
http://web.archive.org/web/200302152...qs/AGQ2FAQ.htm
http://www.unrealtower.org/faq

Margolis wrote:

OE has a known problem in this area and other people can read your
posts. Why do you think it's the ISP?

because it is. It is not an OE problem.

Perhaps. The thing is, this exact same set of circumstances (not being
able to see one's own posts) had been demonstrated to be an OE problem
many times before.

The test is easy - fire up a different news reader, and see if the
posts show up. There are a number of good, free, newsreaders available,
so all the test would cost would be a bit of time.


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I can see my own posts. When I compare the all the posts in this group on
Google and in OE, about 10% that appear in Google do not appear in OE. My
isp replied and said they'd come across the problem before, it's the news
server, and they haven't ever been able to get anywhere with them. I will
download a free newsreader and see what happens there. Thanks for all the
advice!! Allison


"Eric Schreiber" eric at ericschreiber dot com wrote in message
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Margolis wrote:

OE has a known problem in this area and other people can read your
posts. Why do you think it's the ISP?

because it is. It is not an OE problem.

Perhaps. The thing is, this exact same set of circumstances (not being
able to see one's own posts) had been demonstrated to be an OE problem
many times before.

The test is easy - fire up a different news reader, and see if the
posts show up. There are a number of good, free, newsreaders available,
so all the test would cost would be a bit of time.


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If anyone is still paying attention, I just downloaded a different
newsreader, and it displays only the messages that OE does, confirming that
it is indeed my isp's news server. Go Google. Gotta love it when the free
stuff works better than what you're paying for. What's web slang for
sarcasm? :-)

"Allyb" wrote in message
...
I can see my own posts. When I compare the all the posts in this group on
Google and in OE, about 10% that appear in Google do not appear in OE. My
isp replied and said they'd come across the problem before, it's the news
server, and they haven't ever been able to get anywhere with them. I will
download a free newsreader and see what happens there. Thanks for all the
advice!! Allison


"Eric Schreiber" eric at ericschreiber dot com wrote in message
...
Margolis wrote:

OE has a known problem in this area and other people can read your
posts. Why do you think it's the ISP?

because it is. It is not an OE problem.

Perhaps. The thing is, this exact same set of circumstances (not being
able to see one's own posts) had been demonstrated to be an OE problem
many times before.

The test is easy - fire up a different news reader, and see if the
posts show up. There are a number of good, free, newsreaders available,
so all the test would cost would be a bit of time.


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www.ericschreiber.com

Allyb wrote:

If anyone is still paying attention, I just downloaded a different
newsreader, and it displays only the messages that OE does,
confirming that it is indeed my isp's news server. Go Google. Gotta
love it when the free stuff works better than what you're paying for.

Well, that's a pretty conclusive demonstration of the ISPs fault.

What's web slang for sarcasm? :-)

Usenet, in general, pretty much covers it :)

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because it is. It is not an OE problem. I am having the same problem on
the new news server my isp just switched too a couple of weeks ago. Some of
the posts I make DO NOT show up on the server I posted them to. But if I go
to another server I keep as a backup they are there. This problem started
with the new server, and ONLY happens on that server. This new server has

Does the "new server" work properly with any other news reader?

all kinds of problems. Sometimes answers show up before questions,

That's normal.

sometimes a post may show up a dozen times, sometimes not at all.

The latter is not uncommon, the former is a bug.


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"Richard" wrote in message ...

Does the "new server" work properly with any other news reader?



no, it does not work with other readers. It also happens with forte agent.
I have never seen this to be an oe problem. I have seen this happen on
several occasions to various people. And every single time it has been a
server problem. I believe some people are just too quick to want to blame
microsoft for every little problem, when most of the time it has nothing to
do with microsoft, just like this case.


That's normal.

no, that is not normal. Not unless you have a bad server. A "good" server
will not have those types of problems.


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Margolis wrote:

I have never seen this to be an oe problem. I have seen this
happen on several occasions to various people. And every single time
it has been a server problem. I believe some people are just too
quick to want to blame microsoft for every little problem, when most
of the time it has nothing to do with microsoft

"Most of the time" is hard to nail down. Suffice to say that the reason
a number of us pointed to OE as the likely culprit is because we've
seen numerous cases where OE was, in fact, the source of the problem.
It's not a knee-jerk "blame Microsoft" mentality, but simply a best
guess based on prior experience.


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"Eric Schreiber" eric at ericschreiber dot com wrote in message
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Margolis wrote:

I have never seen this to be an oe problem. I have seen this
happen on several occasions to various people. And every single time
it has been a server problem. I believe some people are just too
quick to want to blame microsoft for every little problem, when most
of the time it has nothing to do with microsoft

"Most of the time" is hard to nail down. Suffice to say that the reason
a number of us pointed to OE as the likely culprit is because we've
seen numerous cases where OE was, in fact, the source of the problem.
It's not a knee-jerk "blame Microsoft" mentality, but simply a best
guess based on prior experience.

I do know of instances where OE and Outlook itself will lose whole archive
message stores if those message stores become too large. (Mainly on 98, NT
and 2K/XP running Fat32 FS)

I am using OE atm, but I prefer Mozilla Thunderbird because it uses the old
newsrc method which is easily maintained, accessed and recoverable.

I think there are also tools out there which can retrieve the mysterious
lost messages even if they don't appear in Explorer.

I have stopped blaming M$ for a lot of things but one thing I am ****ed
about is Windows Update where it says a d/l will be, say 219k, and in fact
it's many many megabytes, with the 219k being the installer head which links
to svchost.exe, which is really the completely unintelligent Background
Intelligent Transfer Service (BITS). I don't "blame" them any more but I do
get angry that they can't be upfront about the true size of some of the
rubbish they put out as Windows Updates.

Any way back to the point: I think Mozilla Thunderbird and Firebird are far
more compliant, serviceable and efficient than the M$ offerings.

My 0.02 ;)

Oz

Ozdude wrote:

Any way back to the point: I think Mozilla Thunderbird and Firebird
are far more compliant, serviceable and efficient than the M$
offerings.

I haven't tried either of them for news reading since I'm used to
Xananews (powerful, free, and occasionally cryptic). I am using Firefox
exclusively now as my web browser. I love the tabbed view and the very
nice text search functions a lot.

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